Am I an alcoholic?

[Colin JN Breame]

Hi,

I'm a newbie and was thinking about stopping drinking.

I find it almost impossible to go an entire week without getting drunk and
I've been like this for almost 5 years. Do you think I have a problem?

Anyhow, if I was to quite drinking, what would I replace it with?

Thanks
Colin

[*rosie*]

colin,
do you think your an alcoholic?

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"Colin JN Breame" <c.j.n.breame@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.02.24.23.48.15.415965@dur.ac.uk...
> Hi,
>
> I'm a newbie and was thinking about stopping drinking.
>
> I find it almost impossible to go an entire week without getting
drunk and
> I've been like this for almost 5 years. Do you think I have a
problem?
>
> Anyhow, if I was to quite drinking, what would I replace it with?
>
> Thanks
> Colin

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:48:18 +0000, Colin JN Breame
<c.j.n.breame@durham.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm a newbie and was thinking about stopping drinking.
>
>I find it almost impossible to go an entire week without getting drunk and
>I've been like this for almost 5 years. Do you think I have a problem?

Well, you certainly have a problem getting drunk at least once a week.

Two questions:

1. When you drink, do you have control over the amount you take?
2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink again?

If the answer to 1. is "yes" (which, in your case, it apparently is),
then the suggestion is to quit drinking.

If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as "alcoholic". Have
you genuinely tried quitting?

>Anyhow, if I was to quite drinking, what would I replace it with?

Alcohol can be replaced with liquids that won't dry out the body and
pickle the brain and liver, such as fruit juice, soda, tea, coffee,
etc.

However, if you're referring to the feelings that alcohol brings,
that's a definite sign of alcohol dependency, or "alcoholism". Those
feelings can be replaced by working a recovery program.

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink again?
>
>
> If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as "alcoholic". Have
> you genuinely tried quitting?
>

Blue, how do you reconcile that against the AA self diagnosis?
http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_31.htm +

Bob, who also has his own diagnostic theory;-)

[Blue Moon]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:47:18 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:36bf6dfe25c5f83df4ff8e55505c3c48@news.teranew s.com...
>> 2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink again?
>>
>>
>> If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as "alcoholic". Have
>> you genuinely tried quitting?
>>
>
>Blue, how do you reconcile that against the AA self diagnosis?
>http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_31.htm +

That's only part of the equation. I reconcile it with:pages 22, 23,
24, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 43).

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:47:18 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:36bf6dfe25c5f83df4ff8e55505c3c48@news.teranew s.com...
> >> 2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink
again?
> >>
> >>
> >> If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as "alcoholic".
Have
> >> you genuinely tried quitting?
> >>
> >
> >Blue, how do you reconcile that against the AA self diagnosis?
> >http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_31.htm +
>
> That's only part of the equation. I reconcile it with:pages 22, 23,
> 24, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 43).
>
> --
> Blue Moon

Your diagnostics can be directly contradicted in the paragraph pages
22/23
http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_22.htm +

Bob;-)

[Blue Moon]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:22:08 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e832c5e278a11fdb79ae32f657076cab@news.teranew s.com...
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:47:18 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
>> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:36bf6dfe25c5f83df4ff8e55505c3c48@news.teranew s.com...
>> >> 2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink
>again?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as "alcoholic".
>Have
>> >> you genuinely tried quitting?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Blue, how do you reconcile that against the AA self diagnosis?
>> >http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_31.htm +
>>
>> That's only part of the equation. I reconcile it with:pages 22, 23,
>> 24, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 43).
>
>Your diagnostics can be directly contradicted in the paragraph pages
>22/23
>http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_22.htm +
>
>Bob;-)

Not as far as I can see.

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:22:08 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:e832c5e278a11fdb79ae32f657076cab@news.teranew s.com...
> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:47:18 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> >> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:36bf6dfe25c5f83df4ff8e55505c3c48@news.teranew s.com...
> >> >> 2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink
> >again?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as "alcoholic".
> >Have
> >> >> you genuinely tried quitting?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Blue, how do you reconcile that against the AA self diagnosis?
> >> >http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_31.htm +
> >>
> >> That's only part of the equation. I reconcile it with:pages 22,
23,
> >> 24, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 43).
> >
> >Your diagnostics can be directly contradicted in the paragraph
pages
> >22/23
> >http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_22.htm +
> >
> >Bob;-)
>
> Not as far as I can see.
>

You are still a tad myopic, but given time, I trust more will be
revealed, even to a smartarse like you;-)

Alcohol abusers often have no defence against the first drink until
they handle *their* underlying problem/s.

The common diagnostic for real alcoholics through your chosen AA text
follows from the doctors opinion, behaviour *after* the first drink.

"But as ex problem drinkers, we can say that his explanation makes
good sense. It explains many things for which we cannot otherwise
account"

Smartarse Bob

[Robert McGregor]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5c3b274c7f86c295a0acd34d58710e60@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:22:08 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> > <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:e832c5e278a11fdb79ae32f657076cab@news.teranew s.com...
> > >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:47:18 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> > >> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >news:36bf6dfe25c5f83df4ff8e55505c3c48@news.teranew s.com...
> > >> >> 2. When you decide to quit drinking, do you find you drink
> > >again?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If the answer to 2. is "yes", then you qualify as
"alcoholic".
> > >Have
> > >> >> you genuinely tried quitting?
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Blue, how do you reconcile that against the AA self diagnosis?
> > >> >http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_31.htm +
> > >>
> > >> That's only part of the equation. I reconcile it with:pages
22,
> 23,
> > >> 24, 26, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 43).
> > >
> > >Your diagnostics can be directly contradicted in the paragraph
> pages
> > >22/23
> > >http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_22.htm +
> > >
> > >Bob;-)
> >
> > Not as far as I can see.
> >
>
> You are still a tad myopic, but given time, I trust more will be
> revealed, even to a smartarse like you;-)
>
> Alcohol abusers often have no defence against the first drink until
> they handle *their* underlying problem/s.
>
> The common diagnostic for real alcoholics through your chosen AA
text
> follows from the doctors opinion, behaviour *after* the first
drink.
>
> "But as ex problem drinkers, we can say that his explanation makes
> good sense. It explains many things for which we cannot otherwise
> account"
>
> Smartarse Bob
>
PS my usual web site for "the doctors opinion" was down when I posted
that.

Just read next door that AA now has the book online themselves.

http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_doctoropinion.cfm

[Robert McGregor]

pps
Jeez Blue

They've got your long form of the Traditions back on their website

http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_appendiceI.cfm


beaten (temporarily!) Bob

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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