shocking rate of relapse

[pauly]

I went to the drop in at the place where I did my detox yesterday, to meet the one guy I kept in touch with from march when I did mine. It looks like I picked the right guy to stay in contact with, because it seems everyone else is back on the down escalator (mine's stood still and needs an engineer) . I spoke to one woman, who, since march has done two more hospital detoxes and one at the clinic that I am talking about. She has done a total of 6 since Christmas. There are at least 9 others that I know of who are drinking daily again. I am truly amazed that this soon after going through that hell, so many are doing it again. I was congratulated my a staff member for the length of my sobriety on the 'out'. It must be such an unfulfilled job being a detox nurse and watching the same faces come through again and again. How the woman on 6 has come through alive I am amazed. Three in any one year is supposed to be the safe limit, and her detoxes aren't easy When I was in with her, she was still fitting after 4 days. Well the good news is that there are two of us still sober, we both must have had a good knack of spotting those who were serious about it. Some were obviously treating the place as a holiday camp, but so soon???

[rosie readandpost]

You think your detox nurse has an unfulfilled life???? Just think how he/she feels when they see
you....still sober.

debs




EXACTLY!
rosie

[Bobby L.]

"pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message
news:K6xMa.15992$sh4.1201314@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
I went to the drop in at the place where I did my detox yesterday, to meet
the one guy I kept in touch with from march when I did mine. It looks like I
picked the right guy to stay in contact with, because it seems everyone else
is back on the down escalator (mine's stood still and needs an engineer) .


Sometimes I forget -- "The monkey's off my back, but the circus is still in
town!"

Bobby L

[pauly]

Went yesterday for my lunch, there are now four more in the detox in addition to the ones in the first post. Soooooo glad thats not me.
"pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message news:K6xMa.15992$sh4.1201314@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
I went to the drop in at the place where I did my detox yesterday, to meet the one guy I kept in touch with from march when I did mine. It looks like I picked the right guy to stay in contact with, because it seems everyone else is back on the down escalator (mine's stood still and needs an engineer) . I spoke to one woman, who, since march has done two more hospital detoxes and one at the clinic that I am talking about. She has done a total of 6 since Christmas. There are at least 9 others that I know of who are drinking daily again. I am truly amazed that this soon after going through that hell, so many are doing it again. I was congratulated my a staff member for the length of my sobriety on the 'out'. It must be such an unfulfilled job being a detox nurse and watching the same faces come through again and again. How the woman on 6 has come through alive I am amazed. Three in any one year is supposed to be the safe limit, and her detoxes aren't easy When I was in with her, she was still fitting after 4 days. Well the good news is that there are two of us still sober, we both must have had a good knack of spotting those who were serious about it. Some were obviously treating the place as a holiday camp, but so soon???

[Blue Moon]

"pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message news:<9VSMa.447$Mr6.241@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>...
> Went yesterday for my lunch, there are now four more in the detox in
> addition to the ones in the first post. Soooooo glad thats not me.

I'm curious, do you know why it's not you? What do you do that they
don't? Why are they in detox whilst you're not?

[Agent_Orange]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<TyAMa.164218$Xl.2651161@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> pauly,
> i remember years ago, hearing the "statistic" that 1/2 of all folks who "get sober/dry" will die
> drunk.
> scary isn't it?
>
> no doubt in my mind, from working in a treatment center during my internship, that these statistics
> are reliable.
> (small sample, i know, but effective none the less)
>
Rosie,
That sounds correct. The Harvard Mental Health Letter,
published by the Harvard Medical School, reported that
slightly over half of all alcoholics eventually quit
drinking. The obvious other side of the coin is that
the other half don't quit drinking, and don't save
their own lives, unfortunately.

See:
http://aorange1.tripod.com/orange-effectiveness.html#Harvard_Mental

* agent_orange@linuxmail.org *
* AA and Recovery Cult Debunking *
* http://aorange1.tripod.com/ *
* Heisenberg said, "I'm not really sure if *
* that even was Shrödinger's cat. I think *
* he might have used somebody else's cat..." *

[Dan Ballance]

hiya Pauly, congrats on yer sobriety, I use a service called Addaction
quite regularly, defintaely a high rate of relapse there. What I like
about the service is that lapses are not treated with a great deal of
scourn, so quiet a few people pick themselves back up and start using
the services again, trying to learn from the experience.

I think you may be right, unfortuneately, that a few people use detox
as a means to continue drinking. Everything gets out of control, both
physically and financially. Detox kinda resets the clock and after a
2-4 weeks dry they're off again. Not many people do this cynically, in
my experience, but i can think of a least one person I've met who i
think does,

ta tah f'now,

dan ;-)


On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:57:31 +0100, "pauly"
<paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote:

>I went to the drop in at the place where I did my detox yesterday, to meet the one guy I kept in touch with from march when I did mine. It looks like I picked the right guy to stay in contact with, because it seems everyone else is back on the down escalator (mine's stood still and needs an engineer) . I spoke to one woman, who, since march has done two more hospital detoxes and one at the clinic that I am talking about. She has done a total of 6 since Christmas. There are at least 9 others that I know of who are drinking daily again. I am truly amazed that this soon after going through that hell, so many are doing it again. I was congratulated my a staff member for the length of my sobriety on the 'out'. It must be such an unfulfilled job being a detox nurse and watching the same faces come through again and again. How the woman on 6 has come through alive I am amazed. Three in any one year is supposed to be the safe limit, and her detoxes aren't easy When I was in with her, she
was
>still fitting after 4 days. Well the good news is that there are two of us still sober, we both must have had a good knack of spotting those who were serious about it. Some were obviously treating the place as a holiday camp, but so soon???

[pauly]

In news:7747c27d.0307030656.69d2a946@posting.google.c om,
Blue Moon <mfoco_uk@yahoo.co.uk> typed:
> "pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message
> news:<9VSMa.447$Mr6.241@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>...
>> Went yesterday for my lunch, there are now four more in the detox in
>> addition to the ones in the first post. Soooooo glad thats not me.
>
> I'm curious, do you know why it's not you? What do you do that they

Don't drink I suppose.

> don't? Why are they in detox whilst you're not?

I'm pretty sure non of them are accessing any kind of support at all, which
I think can be suicide at least in the first few months.

[Blue Moon]

"pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message news:<iOWNa.7305$4O4.579609@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>...
> In news:7747c27d.0307030656.69d2a946@posting.google.c om,
> Blue Moon <mfoco_uk@yahoo.co.uk> typed:
> > "pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message
> > news:<9VSMa.447$Mr6.241@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>...
> >> Went yesterday for my lunch, there are now four more in the detox in
> >> addition to the ones in the first post. Soooooo glad thats not me.
> >
> > I'm curious, do you know why it's not you? What do you do that they
>
> Don't drink I suppose.
>
> > don't? Why are they in detox whilst you're not?
>
> I'm pretty sure non of them are accessing any kind of support at all, which
> I think can be suicide at least in the first few months.

So would you concede that you're sober today by a power you don't even believe in?