'Serenity' -- A Novel About Alcoholism

[Frank Brawn]

I've been a member of the AA Fellowship for over twelve (sober) years now.

While I was laid up for two years with a badly broken leg as a result of a
motorcycle accident I wrote a full length novel about people who are trying
to find happiness in life against the background of alcoholism and AA. The
book, called 'Serenity' was published on 1st January and has received a lot
of interest so far.

More information about me and about the book is available at
www.fwinstonpate.com

I intend to donate any profits from the book to AA.




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[Bobby L.]

"Frank Brawn" <frankbrawn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:401e4569$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> I've been a member of the AA Fellowship for over twelve (sober) years now.
>
> While I was laid up for two years with a badly broken leg as a result of a
> motorcycle accident I wrote a full length novel about people who are
trying
> to find happiness in life against the background of alcoholism and AA.
The
> book, called 'Serenity' was published on 1st January and has received a
lot
> of interest so far.
>
> More information about me and about the book is available at
> www.fwinstonpate.com
>
> I intend to donate any profits from the book to AA.
>
>
> I've been a member of the AA Fellowship for over twelve (sober) years now.



Then you know AA does not accept donations.

[rosie]

>
> Then you know AA does not accept donations.
>
>

actually, that is not true.....................there is a limit to
the amount you can give, but it does indeed take donations.

[Julie LaRue]

Each member is limited to no more than $2000.00 a year.
Julie

" rosie" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rtCTb.25218$M81.21107@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> >
> > Then you know AA does not accept donations.
> >
> >
>
> actually, that is not true.....................there is a limit to
> the amount you can give, but it does indeed take donations.
>
>

[rosie]

yes, i thought it was something like that.....................

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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"Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Each member is limited to no more than $2000.00 a year.
> Julie
>
> " rosie" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rtCTb.25218$M81.21107@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > >
> > > Then you know AA does not accept donations.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > actually, that is not true.....................there is a limit
to
> > the amount you can give, but it does indeed take donations.
> >
> >
>
>

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:05:27 GMT, " rosie" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> Then you know AA does not accept donations.
>
>actually, that is not true.....................there is a limit to
>the amount you can give, but it does indeed take donations.

Yes, but as personal donations rather than as profit proceeds from
outside enterprises.

The $2,000 limit also technically includes personal donations made at
meetings, rather than specifically to lump sums. Of course, in
practice this would be impossible to police.

--
Blue Moon

[rosie]

> The $2,000 limit also technically includes personal donations made
at
> meetings, rather than specifically to lump sums. Of course, in
> practice this would be impossible to police.
>
> --
> Blue Moon


i think the original reason for the limit setting was to control
bequeathing.

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:28:01 -0600, " rosie" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> The $2,000 limit also technically includes personal donations made
>at
>> meetings, rather than specifically to lump sums. Of course, in
>> practice this would be impossible to police.
>>
>> --
>> Blue Moon
>
>
>i think the original reason for the limit setting was to control
>bequeathing.

I believe it was to control any perception of power.

--
Blue Moon

[Julie LaRue]

No....The $2,000 limit per person includes personal donations made at
meetings AND any specific sum given to a local group, district, or any other
part of AA by a member. Read the LONG form of the Traditions. Donations
from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.

Julie



"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44a2406dd534e116e6ea678dfa195939@news.teranew s.com...
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:05:27 GMT, " rosie" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Then you know AA does not accept donations.
> >
> >actually, that is not true.....................there is a limit to
> >the amount you can give, but it does indeed take donations.
>
> Yes, but as personal donations rather than as profit proceeds from
> outside enterprises.
>
> The $2,000 limit also technically includes personal donations made at
> meetings, rather than specifically to lump sums. Of course, in
> practice this would be impossible to police.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[Bobby L.]

"Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XP_Tb.9703$GO6.1429@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> No....The $2,000 limit per person includes personal donations made at
> meetings AND any specific sum given to a local group, district, or any
other
> part of AA by a member. Read the LONG form of the Traditions. Donations
> from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.
>
> Julie
>
>

Like for instance, writing a book and using the perception of "donation to
AA" to advertize "de facto" support by AA as a whole. I am not saying that
is what this; however, this is a circumstance where perhaps the writer
should talk to Hazeldon rather than AA.

[Robert McGregor]

"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Vm5Ub.4907$uS3.516@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:XP_Tb.9703$GO6.1429@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > No....The $2,000 limit per person includes personal donations made
at
> > meetings AND any specific sum given to a local group, district, or
any
> other
> > part of AA by a member. Read the LONG form of the Traditions.
Donations
> > from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.
> >
> > Julie
> >
> >
>
> Like for instance, writing a book and using the perception of
"donation to
> AA" to advertize "de facto" support by AA as a whole. I am not
saying that
> is what this; however, this is a circumstance where perhaps the
writer
> should talk to Hazeldon rather than AA.
>
>

Why worry?

The conditional "intend" and "profits" leave enough room for even a
drunk alcoholic to have escaped with *all* the loot when/if ever any
accounting is done.

Bob

[rosie]

"Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XP_Tb.9703$GO6.1429@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> No....The $2,000 limit per person includes personal donations made
at
> meetings AND any specific sum given to a local group, district, or
any other
> part of AA by a member. Read the LONG form of the Traditions.
Donations
> from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.
>
> Julie
>


the $2000 limit per person also covers bequests to be given in a
members name at death.
(given NOT NECESSARILY by other AA members)


--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

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>
>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44a2406dd534e116e6ea678dfa195939@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:05:27 GMT, " rosie"
<readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> Then you know AA does not accept donations.
> > >
> > >actually, that is not true.....................there is a limit
to
> > >the amount you can give, but it does indeed take donations.
> >
> > Yes, but as personal donations rather than as profit proceeds
from
> > outside enterprises.
> >
> > The $2,000 limit also technically includes personal donations
made at
> > meetings, rather than specifically to lump sums. Of course, in
> > practice this would be impossible to police.
> >
> > --
> > Blue Moon
>
>

[Bobby L.]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bvqoq9$vgq37$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Vm5Ub.4907$uS3.516@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:XP_Tb.9703$GO6.1429@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > > No....The $2,000 limit per person includes personal donations made
> at
> > > meetings AND any specific sum given to a local group, district, or
> any
> > other
> > > part of AA by a member. Read the LONG form of the Traditions.
> Donations
> > > from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.
> > >
> > > Julie
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Like for instance, writing a book and using the perception of
> "donation to
> > AA" to advertize "de facto" support by AA as a whole. I am not
> saying that
> > is what this; however, this is a circumstance where perhaps the
> writer
> > should talk to Hazeldon rather than AA.
> >
> >
>
> Why worry?
>
> The conditional "intend" and "profits" leave enough room for even a
> drunk alcoholic to have escaped with *all* the loot when/if ever any
> accounting is done.
>
> Bob
>
>

Good Point.

Bobby L

[Blue Moon]

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 04:47:51 GMT, "Julie LaRue"
<Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote:

>No....The $2,000 limit per person includes personal donations made at
>meetings AND any specific sum given to a local group, district, or any other
>part of AA by a member. Read the LONG form of the Traditions.

Who said, or even implied, otherwise?

What I said, specifically, is that it would be impossible to police.
Impossible. Nobody keeps any tally on what I donate at a meeting, so
if I was really ill I could be putting in $10 per meeting, at 3
meetings a day, plus whatever I send direct to GSO. That could add up
to over $12,000 a year without GSO being able to even monitor it.

> Donations from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.

Really? If you believe that, I suggest you read the AA history.
Tradition 7 exists BECAUSE of problems that arose from outside
contributions.

--
Blue Moon

[Julie LaRue]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ac262ca976219bb9deee903a4d4181e6@news.teranew s.com...
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 04:47:51 GMT, "Julie LaRue"
> <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> What I said, specifically, is that it would be impossible to police.
> Impossible. Nobody keeps any tally on what I donate at a meeting, so
> if I was really ill I could be putting in $10 per meeting, at 3
> meetings a day, plus whatever I send direct to GSO. That could add up
> to over $12,000 a year without GSO being able to even monitor it.

If you went to three meetings a day you wouldnt bother responding like
this or suggesting such an insane thing.


> > Donations from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.
>
> Really? If you believe that, I suggest you read the AA history.
> Tradition 7 exists BECAUSE of problems that arose from outside
> contributions.

Read a little slower Moon..........YES, AA did write the tradidion for fear
of outside problems, but AA did this before it could happen and never
accepted Rockafella's money or any offers from other "outside enterprises"
to date.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ac262ca976219bb9deee903a4d4181e6@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 04:47:51 GMT, "Julie LaRue"
> > <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > What I said, specifically, is that it would be impossible to
police.
> > Impossible. Nobody keeps any tally on what I donate at a meeting,
so
> > if I was really ill I could be putting in $10 per meeting, at 3
> > meetings a day, plus whatever I send direct to GSO. That could
add up
> > to over $12,000 a year without GSO being able to even monitor it.
>
> If you went to three meetings a day you wouldnt bother responding
like
> this or suggesting such an insane thing.
>
>
> > > Donations from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by
AA.
> >
> > Really? If you believe that, I suggest you read the AA history.
> > Tradition 7 exists BECAUSE of problems that arose from outside
> > contributions.
>
> Read a little slower Moon..........YES, AA did write the tradidion
for fear
> of outside problems, but AA did this before it could happen and
never
> accepted Rockafella's money or any offers from other "outside
enterprises"
> to date.
> >

Bullshit!

"Pass It On" page 234

"These solicitations* ( which would be repeated annually for the next
for years) brought in an additional $2,000. The money was used, in
part, to give Bill and Dr Bob a weekly stipend of $30.00 each."
(*outside contributions)

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 04:56:04 GMT, "Julie LaRue"
<Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ac262ca976219bb9deee903a4d4181e6@news.teranew s.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 04:47:51 GMT, "Julie LaRue"
>> <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What I said, specifically, is that it would be impossible to police.
>> Impossible. Nobody keeps any tally on what I donate at a meeting, so
>> if I was really ill I could be putting in $10 per meeting, at 3
>> meetings a day, plus whatever I send direct to GSO. That could add up
>> to over $12,000 a year without GSO being able to even monitor it.
>
>If you went to three meetings a day you wouldnt bother responding like
>this or suggesting such an insane thing.

What on earth gives you that idea? Of the people I've met who attend
3 meetings a day, not 1 could qualify as sane.

>> > Donations from "outside enterprises" have NEVER been accepted by AA.
>>
>> Really? If you believe that, I suggest you read the AA history.
>> Tradition 7 exists BECAUSE of problems that arose from outside
>> contributions.
>
>Read a little slower Moon..........YES, AA did write the tradidion for fear
>of outside problems, but AA did this before it could happen and never
>accepted Rockafella's money or any offers from other "outside enterprises"
>to date.

I suggest you go and actually read some of the history before
proclaiming your own misconceptions as being accurate.

--
Blue Moon