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01-27-2004, 06:45 AM

"Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I just wanted to share with all of you that I drank this past
weekend. I
> deliberatly drank Saturday night, and tried to drink away the guilt
all day
> yesterday. I have been hungover and feel like crap today ... I went
on a
> commitment with my group tonight. I'll be okay.
>
> One day at a time. I made it through 24 hours.
>
> No tears as of yet. I feel numb, confused. It is late and I'm
going to bed
> ... I'm wishing everyone here the best.
>
> -Christine

Hi Christine,

Since stopping drinking last June, I've wanted to drink more than
once. Usually, I've wanted to drink on account of having had a bad
day Sometimes, I've also wanted to drink because the smell of wine
that I pour out for my husband at night has reminded me of how much I
used to enjoy wine. At other times, I've simply wanted to drink as an
experiment to find out whether or not I am now able to control my
drinking. <g> None of the earlier such experiments that I've done
have
proved that I can control my drinking :^) At this time, I have no
hope of being ever able to control it therefore when I tempted to
drink, I find it helpful to think about some of the following:

1. I am powerless over alcohol

2. Drinking has never solved any of my life problems; it won't do so
now;

3. If I drink, tomorrow I'll have to cope not only with my life
problems but also a hangover, feelings of guilt, shame and a sense of
failure. Why make life harder for myself ? :^).

4. If I drink tomorrow, I'll have wasted all the time and effort I
and others who have been helping me, have put in to help me get to
where I was yesterday.

5. If I drink again, my quality of life will rapidly deteriorate.

Dear Christine,

If what I have said helps you in way, I shall be pleased.

Wishing you all the best (as always)

JB

Kirk S

01-27-2004, 08:44 AM

Hi Christine,

No failure is really a failure if you learn something in the process. Learn
from it and use the experience to gain strength. Do not criticise yourself,
there are plenty of people out there that will do it for you.

Believe in yourself, pick yourself up and don't spend any more time than
necessary on your mistakes. Learn from it and move on. Or as some people
say: Name it, Claim it and Dump it.

Best wishes and hang in there baby!

Kirk S.
"Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I just wanted to share with all of you that I drank this past weekend. I
> deliberatly drank Saturday night, and tried to drink away the guilt all
day
> yesterday. I have been hungover and feel like crap today ... I went on a
> commitment with my group tonight. I'll be okay.
>
> One day at a time. I made it through 24 hours.
>
> No tears as of yet. I feel numb, confused. It is late and I'm going to
bed
> ... I'm wishing everyone here the best.
>
> -Christine

>rosie

01-27-2004, 08:55 AM

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
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> You know Christine, reading your post does more to keep me sober
than
> reading someone's cheery post that they've been sober 80+ years
now... Your
> post reminds me how I felt after a two week binge ended 17 days
> ago -especially the confusion. Each relapse I have gets worse,
and that's
> what I need to never forget. Thanks for your courageous
ost. -Fred
>

fred,
all that is required of us to have recovery is 24 HRS at a
time.....................
reminding myself of that principle, is as easy as reading the posts
here, going to frequent AA meetings, and having some daily spiritual
contact with my HP.

that SPIRITUAL contact reminds me, that i have a disease, and taking
"the medicine" is what works for me!

rosie

>rosie

01-27-2004, 10:33 AM

"Kirk S" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Christine,
>
> No failure is really a failure if you learn something in the
process. Learn
> from it and use the experience to gain strength. Do not criticise
yourself,
> there are plenty of people out there that will do it for you.
>
> Believe in yourself, pick yourself up and don't spend any more
time than
> necessary on your mistakes. Learn from it and move on. Or as
some people
> say: Name it, Claim it and Dump it.

good advise kirk!
may i add one christine?

try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be negative/angry,
it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!

01-27-2004, 11:16 AM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Kirk S" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:iXtRb.115684$fq1.92707@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi Christine,
> >
> > No failure is really a failure if you learn something in the
> process. Learn
> > from it and use the experience to gain strength. Do not criticise
> yourself,
> > there are plenty of people out there that will do it for you.
> >
> > Believe in yourself, pick yourself up and don't spend any more
> time than
> > necessary on your mistakes. Learn from it and move on. Or as
> some people
> > say: Name it, Claim it and Dump it.
>
>
>
> good advise kirk!
> may i add one christine?
>
> try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be negative/angry,
> it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
>
I think that you're suggesting something that is impossible.

In *real* life (ie not this cyberworld)) nobody but a recluse is able
to avoid meeting people who disturb their peace of mind. For example,
I've spent the last three weeks trying to get someone from the company
which has my husband's computer for repair to tell us what's going on.
I've been ringing every weekday up to three times a day and left
messages on a voicemail. At one time, having to waste so much time on
the phone; having to deal with my husband's frustrations at not being
able to access his work and having to share my computer with him,
would have caused me to become so frustrated, angry and resentful that
I would, probably, have drunk on it.

Nowadays, when in situations that I cannot avoid, I try to remain calm
.. If this is impossible, I try to remember that if I subsequently use
the situation as an excuse/.reason to drink, I'm enabling it to cause
me further harm.

The point I'm trying to make is that if someone can't avoid having
their peace of mind disturbed, don't use what ever caused that
disturbance as an excuse/reason to drink unless one wants to
self-harm.

JB

>rosie

01-27-2004, 11:26 AM

> > try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be
negative/angry,
> > it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
> >

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> I think that you're suggesting something that is impossible.
>

your service men ENCOURAGE you to be negative/angry?
or is that the way your CHOOSE to react?

i was referring to those who ENCOURAGE negative behavior in her
recovery program.
some of the conversations right here in ARAA are perfect examples.

01-27-2004, 11:53 AM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > > try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be
> negative/angry,
> > > it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
> > >
>
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:bv634v$ld9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>
> > I think that you're suggesting something that is impossible.
> >
>
>
> your service men ENCOURAGE you to be negative/angry?
> or is that the way your CHOOSE to react?
>
> i was referring to those who ENCOURAGE negative behavior in her
> recovery program.
> some of the conversations right here in ARAA are perfect examples.

I understand what your first sentence means. Could you please explain
the second. . Are you suggesting that Christine is mixing with people
who appear to be interested in helping her recover but whose behaviour
suggests they're not interested in any such thing?. And because she
mixes with such people, she doesn't know what to do for the best ?.
And while confused if she thinks about drinking, she's likely to
drink ?

JB

George &The Dragon

01-27-2004, 12:11 PM

> deliberatly drank Saturday night

Hi Christine,

It happens really easily, doesn't it? First you begin to think about it,
then you start to rationalise it, then you start planning it, then BOOM.

Then you think "why oh why did I do that?"

Very few people "slip". The drink doesn't suddenly appear and "oops, I
drank..." There's a long planning process first. Go back over what actually
happened, when you first started planning Saturday night, and you will be
better prepared next time to recognise when the Dragon is quietly snuggling
up next to you.

Aye,
George

&
the
Dragon

>rosie

01-27-2004, 12:21 PM

>..................... Are you suggesting that Christine is mixing
with people
> who appear to be interested in helping her recover but whose
behaviour
> suggests they're not interested in any such thing?.

i cannot "guess" at the motivation.

i stopped corresponding with you, when i noticed that all it did was
make you more "aggressive" and "nasty".
i could see that you were enjoying being so aggressive, and i did
not want to be the cause of this.
none of those behaviors are good for recovery!

shortly afterwards you DID, indeed, admit to robert that you felt
like drinking.
don't you see any correlation between your behavior and your
feelings?

>And because she
> mixes with such people, she doesn't know what to do for the best
?.

in early recovery it is not unusual for folks to be confused, i dont
want to be a contributing factor in anyone's relapse.

>rosie

01-27-2004, 12:28 PM

>..................... Go back over what actually
> happened, when you first started planning Saturday night, and you
will be
> better prepared next time to recognise when the Dragon is quietly
snuggling
> up next to you.
>
>
> Aye,
> George

again....................GREAT ADVISE!

Moonraker

01-27-2004, 12:32 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > > try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be
> negative/angry,
> > > it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
> > >
>
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:bv634v$ld9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>
> > I think that you're suggesting something that is impossible.
> >
>
>
> your service men ENCOURAGE you to be negative/angry?
> or is that the way your CHOOSE to react?
>
> i was referring to those who ENCOURAGE negative behavior in her
> recovery program.
> some of the conversations right here in ARAA are perfect examples.
>

You mean just like what you are doing in your last sentence above?

Nobody, but nobody, ever posts anything to this group but what you don't
take a swipe at "somebody" while holding yourself out as the perfect example
of recovery. You are the biggest goddamned fraud that ever drew a fucking
breath.

01-27-2004, 12:37 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> >..................... Are you suggesting that Christine is mixing
> with people
> > who appear to be interested in helping her recover but whose
> behaviour
> > suggests they're not interested in any such thing?.
>
> i cannot "guess" at the motivation.
>
>
>
> i stopped corresponding with you, when i noticed that all it did was
> make you more "aggressive" and "nasty".
> i could see that you were enjoying being so aggressive, and i did
> not want to be the cause of this.
> none of those behaviors are good for recovery!

<snip>

(smiling)

Do you think that I have shown in this thread any aggression or
nastiness ? If so, how and to whom ?

JB

01-27-2004, 01:45 PM

"Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
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>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CiwRb.115811$fq1.57384@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:bv634v$ld9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> >
> > > I think that you're suggesting something that is impossible.
> > >
> >
> > your service men ENCOURAGE you to be negative/angry?
> > or is that the way your CHOOSE to react?
> >
> > i was referring to those who ENCOURAGE negative behavior in her
> > recovery program.
> > some of the conversations right here in ARAA are perfect examples.
> >
>
> You mean just like what you are doing in your last sentence above?
>
> Nobody, but nobody, ever posts anything to this group but what you
don't
> take a swipe at "somebody" while holding yourself out as the perfect
example
> of recovery. You are the biggest goddamned fraud that ever drew a
fucking
> breath.
>
I remember that Rosie used to claim that she will never be recovered
:^)

JB

>rosie

01-27-2004, 01:52 PM

> >
> I remember that Rosie used to claim that she will never be
recovered
> :^)
>
> JB
>
>

here is an example of the behavior that i am referring to!

>rosie

01-27-2004, 01:58 PM

> "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
> news:idxRb.3912$bX5.3704@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

> > Nobody, but nobody, ever posts anything to this group but what
you
> don't
> > take a swipe at "somebody" while holding yourself out as the
perfect
> example
> > of recovery. You are the biggest goddamned fraud that ever
drew a
> fucking
> > breath.

i am sorry that you interpret my posts as "holding myself out as a
perfect example.....

it is NOT how i feel!
i admit that i am happy with the way my life has turned out.
i worked hard, with lots of help from my sponsor, and my AA
meetings, to change the alcoholic behavior that i displayed.
i am a very fortunate and blessed women, with a wonderful
husband/best friend, four successful adult children and many
friends!

your anger, and your inferiority complex are something you ought to
discuss with your sponsor.
IT WORKS, IF YOU WORK IT!

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 02:00 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Kirk S" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:iXtRb.115684$fq1.92707@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Hi Christine,
> >
> > No failure is really a failure if you learn something in the
> process. Learn
> > from it and use the experience to gain strength. Do not criticise
> yourself,
> > there are plenty of people out there that will do it for you.
> >
> > Believe in yourself, pick yourself up and don't spend any more
> time than
> > necessary on your mistakes. Learn from it and move on. Or as
> some people
> > say: Name it, Claim it and Dump it.
>
>
>
> good advise kirk!
> may i add one christine?
>
> try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be negative/angry,
> it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
>
>

hahahahahahaha

Folks who encourage you to be negative/angry = anyone who has been here long
enough to see rosies smarmy
trolls for what they are.

Bob

From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>YES, whatever works!
>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
>drink/drug,

From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ZPSl5.19140$E05.340458@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>

>i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
>60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with that dosage?
>my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
Message-ID: <A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>
> i will never be recovered..............................

01-27-2004, 02:01 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > I remember that Rosie used to claim that she will never be
> recovered
> > :^)
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
>
>
> here is an example of the behavior that i am referring to!

Rosie,

In using your own comment to correct Moonraker's assertion: that you
hold

"yourself out as the perfect example of recovery"

I appear to have touched a raw nerve.

Why ?

JB

>rosie

01-27-2004, 02:03 PM

> >
> > try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be
negative/angry,
> > it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
> >
> >
>
> hahahahahahaha
>
>
> Folks who encourage you to be negative/angry = anyone who has been
here long
> enough to see rosies smarmy
> trolls for what they are.
>
> Bob

ROTFLMAO!
rosies smarmy trolls?

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 02:08 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> i admit that i am happy with the way my life has turned out.
> i worked hard, with lots of help from my sponsor, and my AA
> meetings, to change the alcoholic behavior that i displayed.
> i am a very fortunate and blessed women, with a wonderful
> husband/best friend, four successful adult children and many
> friends!
>
From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>

>actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term experience
with
>the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
>i have however had to take several different meds as each once finally
>"wears out" and i need to change.

"rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
<uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>

>if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would like to read
>about it!

>rosie

01-27-2004, 02:09 PM

> I appear to have touched a raw nerve.
>
>
> JB
>
>

LOL!

>rosie

01-27-2004, 02:11 PM

ROTFLMAO!

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kxyRb.110899$VV4.20181@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > i admit that i am happy with the way my life has turned out.
> > i worked hard, with lots of help from my sponsor, and my AA
> > meetings, to change the alcoholic behavior that i displayed.
> > i am a very fortunate and blessed women, with a wonderful
> > husband/best friend, four successful adult children and many
> > friends!
> >
> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID:
<l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>
>
> >actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term
experience
> with
> >the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
> >i have however had to take several different meds as each once
finally
> >"wears out" and i need to change.
>
> "rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
> <uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>
>
> >if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would
like to read
> >about it!
>
>

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 02:20 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > > try to stay away from folks who encourage you to be
> negative/angry,
> > > it will trip up an alcoholic EVERYTIME!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > hahahahahahaha
> >
> >
> > Folks who encourage you to be negative/angry = anyone who has been
> here long
> > enough to see rosies smarmy
> > trolls for what they are.
> >
> > Bob
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> rosies smarmy trolls?

>
"Ron" <can@the.spam> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:09:02 GMT, -rosie-
<readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > (((((((((((((((((christine))))))))))))))))))))
>
> That's really fucking obnoxious. If I see one more goddamn parenthetic
> hug, rosie rote and post will never again touch my screen.
>
" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> ((((((((((((((((((((((((ron))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))
> so sorry to read that you are down with the
> flu........................
>

Christine

01-27-2004, 02:23 PM

>Hi Christine,
>
>It happens really easily, doesn't it? First you begin to think about it,
>then you start to rationalise it, then you start planning it, then BOOM.
>
>Then you think "why oh why did I do that?"
>
>Very few people "slip". The drink doesn't suddenly appear and "oops, I
>drank..." There's a long planning process first. Go back over what actually
>happened, when you first started planning Saturday night, and you will be
>better prepared next time to recognise when the Dragon is quietly snuggling
>up next to you.

Thanks to everyone for replying. This group (not a group, like a home group, I
know, but one of *my* groups all the same) has been encouraging and helpful to
me over the past few months. It is only proper for me to be honest with all of
you, and, as always, I am now reaping the benefits by the responses.

I went through the *why's* and *what happened* all day yesterday while I was
struggling through work trying not to vomit in my shoes, trying to act
"normal". Blah. Anyway, what I realized is I had been unintentially
"planning" on drinking all week long. I only went to two meetings last week,
compared to my usual 8 plus, and I was isolating. I didn't want to hear it,
any of it, setting myself up for a justified bender Saturday night. Not a drop
of worry or shame or guilt, even when I was sucking back Bud Light's on my ride
up to my boyfriends. have I learned nothing? What the f*ck?!?! Sunday,
however, was a different story. sunday was where my only instinctual coping
mechinism came into play. I was so ashamed, felt like such a failure. I
wasn't awake an hour before I cracked a beer, then went and had some Mai Tai's,
then some more beer, then a bottle of wine, sure, why not some more Mai Tai's?
And a few more beers. Damn. I called a member of my group, also a member of
the AWOL I was in, somewhere around the bottle of wine, and she gave me hope
and strength and listened to me cry and made me promise to go to the commitment
last night. Good thing, too, because who knows ... it's a lot easier to
justify another drink or two when you're shaking from teh night before ...
anyway, I am grateful I had joined a group, because I had somewhere to go. I
got lots of strong, powerful hugs, lots of smiles (smiles?!?! Didn't they know
I had just drank all weekend? Yes, they did. wowie) and words of wisdom.

After I posted my "confession" here last night, I checked my email and had a
beautiful email from my sponsor. She has my back. She is beautiful.

The guilt and shame are fading, I'm pushing them away ... I'm focusing on being
grateful - grateful I have so many people that care, grateful that I have
today, grateful for this group, grateful to be alive, grateful i didn't hurt
anyone while drinking and driving over the weekend, grateful for AA, grateful
for being sober at this moment, just for today.

Thanks again everyone.
-Christine

>rosie

01-27-2004, 02:26 PM

christine,
here is today meditation for the beginner..................
stay honest, stay close to your sponsor, and most of all stay in
your meetings!

Reflections for Beginners
from
'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
- by Shelly Marshall
the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books

Whatever is on our mind at this time is probably something we
can do nothing about just now. We're fighting a fatal disease here
and our recovery is our TOP PRIORITY. Other considerations will
simply have to wait.

Help me to prioritize my needs: clean time, sober time,
recovery.

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 03:00 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> christine,
> here is today meditation for the beginner..................
> stay honest, stay close to your sponsor, and most of all stay in
> your meetings!
>

Alternatively, if you want be more than merely captive audience fodder for
podium/sponsor junkies, you could utilise the AA program.

http://silkworth.net/bb/howitworks.html
Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol- that our lives had become
unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than our-selves could restore us to
sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as
we understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact
nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so
would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly
admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact
with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us
and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried
to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all
our affairs.

Bob

>rosie

01-27-2004, 03:01 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bv6fuf$oat87$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Alternatively, if you want be more than merely captive audience
fodder for
> podium/sponsor junkies, you could utilise the AA program.
>
>

ROTFLMAO!
and sponsor yourself, like bob does!

LOL!

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 03:29 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uszRb.111322$VV4.29861@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bv6fuf$oat87$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > Alternatively, if you want be more than merely captive audience
> fodder for
> > podium/sponsor junkies, you could utilise the AA program.
> >
> >
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> and sponsor yourself, like bob does!
>
> LOL!
>

More than a decade ago I attended AA, found a sponsor, took the steps, and
recovered.

I would not be at all surprised if rosie lives up to her own ROTFLMAO
expectations, is drug dependant for the rest of her life, and never
recovers. Possibly symptomatic of her pathetic obsession to give unqualified
advice on usenet.

Bob

From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>YES, whatever works!
>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
>drink/drug,

From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ZPSl5.19140$E05.340458@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>

>i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
>60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with that dosage?
>my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
Message-ID: <A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>
> i will never be recovered..............................

From: " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BcHPb.48097$LW.42607@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

Sher H

01-27-2004, 03:58 PM

oh my god do i know how Christine feels!!! I felt like I had written
that!

Sher H

01-27-2004, 04:11 PM

I know how it is...Sunday night my boyfriend asked me to dinner at a
Mexican Restaurant...I was pissed about going because I knew they didnt
serve alcohol on Sundays in this town...I was so upset & made the what
could of been a nice sober meal so miserable that he drove me 45 minutes
to the next town that does serve alcohol so I could have my
drinks....sounds pathetic..but its true....today he got called into work
early and didnt have time to take me to get some alcohol (I drank all I
had last night) and tonight I will be a basket case just KNOWING i dont
have it and since I lost my license for DUI nor have a car now I cant go
get it myself....I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
drink

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 04:21 PM

http://silkworth.net/bb/howitworks.html

"Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16161-4016D0E6-373@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> oh my god do i know how Christine feels!!! I felt like I had written
> that!
>

>rosie

01-27-2004, 04:54 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bv6hkr$ob5t9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> More than a decade ago I attended AA, found a sponsor, took the
steps, and
> recovered.
>

ROTFLMAO!
perhaps you would like to get into THE BIG BOOK and read about your
daily "reprieve"?

Gail

01-27-2004, 04:59 PM

"Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> drink

I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert suggested? Did
you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info on how to start
recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are nothing to play
around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group and to my
husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the answers. Well, I
don't know jack shit!
Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or continue the tangled
web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that can give the
suggestions one needs for recovery.

Best,

Gail (alcoholic & addict)

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 05:01 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6BRb.112122$VV4.62148@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bv6hkr$ob5t9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > More than a decade ago I attended AA, found a sponsor, took the
> steps, and
> > recovered.
> >
>
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> perhaps you would like to get into THE BIG BOOK and read about your
> daily "reprieve"?

You have abandoned the practice of your own reprieve?

Bob

> "rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:S_Kwb.77574$Eq1.22256@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> i find using my killfile helps me to shut up and stop
> arguing.......................
>
> --

Moonraker

01-27-2004, 05:54 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kxyRb.110899$VV4.20181@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
> > news:idxRb.3912$bX5.3704@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
>
> > > Nobody, but nobody, ever posts anything to this group but what
> you
> > don't
> > > take a swipe at "somebody" while holding yourself out as the
> perfect
> > example
> > > of recovery. You are the biggest goddamned fraud that ever
> drew a
> > fucking
> > > breath.
>
>
> i am sorry that you interpret my posts as "holding myself out as a
> perfect example.....
>
> it is NOT how i feel!
> i admit that i am happy with the way my life has turned out.
> i worked hard, with lots of help from my sponsor, and my AA
> meetings, to change the alcoholic behavior that i displayed.
> i am a very fortunate and blessed women, with a wonderful
> husband/best friend, four successful adult children and many
> friends!
>
> your anger, and your inferiority complex are something you ought to
> discuss with your sponsor.
> IT WORKS, IF YOU WORK IT!
>
>
Now we have a bed-pan swabbing LPN making a diagnosis of "inferiority
complex"? Go fuck yourself.

01-27-2004, 05:59 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WHyRb.110984$VV4.40629@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > I appear to have touched a raw nerve.
> >
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
>
> LOL!

Thought so :^)

JB

"Nothing shows a man's character more than what he laughs at." Goethe

Moonraker

01-27-2004, 06:00 PM

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101dnr968i25657@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> > drink
>
>
> I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert suggested? Did
> you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info on how to
start
> recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
> I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are nothing to
play
> around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group and to my
> husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the answers. Well, I
> don't know jack shit!
> Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or continue the
tangled
> web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that can give
the
> suggestions one needs for recovery.
>
> Best,
>
> Gail (alcoholic & addict)
>
>

Hi, Gail.

I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
doing.

Good to see you back.

>rosie

01-27-2004, 06:48 PM

good to see you here gail!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101dnr968i25657@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> > drink
>
>
> I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert
suggested? Did
> you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info on
how to start
> recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
> I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are
nothing to play
> around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group and to
my
> husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the answers.
Well, I
> don't know jack shit!
> Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or continue
the tangled
> web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that can
give the
> suggestions one needs for recovery.
>
> Best,
>
> Gail (alcoholic & addict)
>
>

>rosie

01-27-2004, 06:51 PM

i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
play".................here in the states you would be referred to as
a player............i don't know what you call it over
there.....................just pathetic.

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:bv6qm6$8tc$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WHyRb.110984$VV4.40629@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > LOL!
>
> Thought so :^)
>
> JB
>

>
>
>

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 07:02 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2QCRb.113215$VV4.5626@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
> play".................here in the states you would be referred to as
> a player............i don't know what you call it over
> there.....................just pathetic.
>
>
" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BcHPb.48097$LW.42607@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> I need to be tolerant in my sobriety. I need to allow
> others to say what
> they feel and live according to their standards.
>

From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com>

Message-ID: <os_8b.4843$Ak6.2356@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>ideological differences are no excuse for rudeness.

Fred Exley

01-27-2004, 07:10 PM

You two remind me of the disembodied announcements at the airport in the
movie "Airplane". These threads start out with somebody having a legitimate
post ("The white zone is for loading and unloading...."), then rapidly
deteriorate into the wholly unrelated ongoing battle between you two
("Betty, why don't you get an abortion....")...

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bv6cto$okknm$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kxyRb.110899$VV4.20181@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > i admit that i am happy with the way my life has turned out.
> > i worked hard, with lots of help from my sponsor, and my AA
> > meetings, to change the alcoholic behavior that i displayed.
> > i am a very fortunate and blessed women, with a wonderful
> > husband/best friend, four successful adult children and many
> > friends!
> >
> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>
>
> >actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term experience
> with
> >the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
> >i have however had to take several different meds as each once finally
> >"wears out" and i need to change.
>
> "rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
> <uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>
>
> >if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would like to
read
> >about it!
>
>

>rosie

01-27-2004, 07:11 PM

> >ideological differences are no excuse for rudeness.
>
>
>

robert,
i'm not trying to be rude, i am trying to talk to JB, to point out
what he/she needs to be careful of........................to no
avail, i'm sure.....................

>rosie

01-27-2004, 07:14 PM

what can i say fred...............robert is obsessed with me!
;)

he loves my (((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))) ))
which i always end up giving him.

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:101dvgdc1gfu6af@corp.supernews.com...
> You two remind me of the disembodied announcements at the airport
in the
> movie "Airplane". These threads start out with somebody having a
legitimate
> post ("The white zone is for loading and unloading...."), then
rapidly
> deteriorate into the wholly unrelated ongoing battle between you
two
> ("Betty, why don't you get an abortion....")...
>
>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bv6cto$okknm$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:kxyRb.110899$VV4.20181@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > i admit that i am happy with the way my life has turned out.
> > > i worked hard, with lots of help from my sponsor, and my AA
> > > meetings, to change the alcoholic behavior that i displayed.
> > > i am a very fortunate and blessed women, with a wonderful
> > > husband/best friend, four successful adult children and many
> > > friends!
> > >
> > From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> > Message-ID:
<l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>
> >
> > >actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term
experience
> > with
> > >the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
> > >i have however had to take several different meds as each once
finally
> > >"wears out" and i need to change.
> >
> > "rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
> > <uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>
> >
> > >if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would
like to
> read
> > >about it!
> >
> >
>
>

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 07:37 PM

Gail

01-27-2004, 07:39 PM

"Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
news:I%BRb.2435$qR3.132@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:101dnr968i25657@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> > I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> > > drink
> >
> >
> > I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert suggested?
Did
> > you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info on how to
> start
> > recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
> > I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are nothing to
> play
> > around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group and to my
> > husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the answers. Well,
I
> > don't know jack shit!
> > Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or continue the
> tangled
> > web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that can give
> the
> > suggestions one needs for recovery.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Gail (alcoholic & addict)
> >
> >
>
> Hi, Gail.
>
> I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
> doing.
>
> Good to see you back.
>
>

Thank you. I am just grateful to be able to read and type again. Will
explain when my brain gets back or what I have left of it.
Being able to red the posts helps a lot.
Best,
Gail

Gail

01-27-2004, 07:42 PM

Thank you, Rosie. For a while I didn't think I would ever be able to post
again. Not because I was afraid, but because I wasn't able. Will explain
when I get more of my skills back. Kinda slow right now.
Best,
Gail

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lNCRb.113195$VV4.41454@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> good to see you here gail!
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie
>
> It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
> groans
> more loudly than an empty stomach.
> ..............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt
>
> http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:101dnr968i25657@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> > I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> > > drink
> >
> >
> > I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert
> suggested? Did
> > you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info on
> how to start
> > recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
> > I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are
> nothing to play
> > around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group and to
> my
> > husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the answers.
> Well, I
> > don't know jack shit!
> > Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or continue
> the tangled
> > web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that can
> give the
> > suggestions one needs for recovery.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Gail (alcoholic & addict)
> >
> >
>
>

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 07:57 PM

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:101dvgdc1gfu6af@corp.supernews.com...
> You two remind me of the disembodied announcements at the airport in the
> movie "Airplane". These threads start out with somebody having a
legitimate
> post ("The white zone is for loading and unloading...."), then rapidly
> deteriorate into the wholly unrelated ongoing battle between you two
> ("Betty, why don't you get an abortion....")...
>

Fred, imo it was a more useful newsgroup before that bitch arrived here, not
so covertly purporting herself as superior, while surreptitiously recruiting
"clients."

Bob

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message

<MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

> i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my experience, strength
and hope and to remind those who come, that
> these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that can be
found in AA and other support groups!

From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 5Qdsa.61652$YE2.1120895@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com
> i have a private practice and take care of those who have difficulty
>staying sober, after attendance in treatments
> and/or recovery programs

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D23212DE4

01-27-2004, 08:06 PM

01-27-2004, 08:21 PM

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101e16ioc4vjt39@corp.supernews.com...
> Thank you. I am just grateful to be able to read and type again.
Will
> explain when my brain gets back or what I have left of it.
> Being able to red the posts helps a lot.
> Best,
> Gail
>
Hi Gail,

FWIW, I've also been thinking about you recently.

I hope that from now on each day will be for you a better day than
yesterday..

Wishing you all the best

JB

(smiling)

"A true friend is someone who thinks that you are a good egg even
though he knows that you are slightly cracked" -.Bernard Meltzer

Blue Moon

01-27-2004, 09:23 PM

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev>
wrote:

>Hi, Gail.
>
>I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
>doing.

Me too. Ain't that odd?

What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?

--
Blue Moon

01-27-2004, 09:31 PM

you know how to reach me gail..............let me know if i can do
anything at all.................

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101e1d5aqko7b70@corp.supernews.com...
> Thank you, Rosie. For a while I didn't think I would ever be able
to post
> again. Not because I was afraid, but because I wasn't able. Will
explain
> when I get more of my skills back. Kinda slow right now.
> Best,
> Gail
>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lNCRb.113195$VV4.41454@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > good to see you here gail!
> >
> > --
> > read and post daily, it works!
> > rosie
> >
> > It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
> > groans
> > more loudly than an empty stomach.
> > ..............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt
> >
> > http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:101dnr968i25657@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> > > I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> > > > drink
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert
> > suggested? Did
> > > you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info
on
> > how to start
> > > recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
> > > I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are
> > nothing to play
> > > around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group
and to
> > my
> > > husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the
answers.
> > Well, I
> > > don't know jack shit!
> > > Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or
continue
> > the tangled
> > > web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that
can
> > give the
> > > suggestions one needs for recovery.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Gail (alcoholic & addict)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

01-27-2004, 09:32 PM

> Rosie,
>
> Your behaviour towards me does not endear you to me

ROTFLMAO!
i am not looking to endear myself to you...................i don't
trust a word you type, i don't even know who you really are!

LOL!

01-27-2004, 09:38 PM

>..................... imo it was a more useful newsgroup before
that bitch arrived here, not
> so covertly purporting herself as superior, while surreptitiously
recruiting
> "clients."
>
> Bob

robert,
recruiting clients? LOL! i don't want, nor need clients from the
internet........................

and as far as this newsgroup being better before i (the bitch)
arrived............it only takes a little googling to see that you
were a jerk then too!

your ANTI-AA stance has been obvious for a long time!
and there are those of us around who know why..............and you
just can't handle it!

why not rely on your purported "superior spirituality" and ask for
some healing?

love ya,
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((bob))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))
)))

Blue Moon

01-27-2004, 09:39 PM

On 27 Jan 2004 04:28:28 GMT, ctbean3@aol.com (Christine) wrote:

>I just wanted to share with all of you that I drank this past weekend.

Okay.

> I deliberatly drank Saturday night, and tried to drink away the guilt all day
>yesterday.

Sounds about right.

Seems like you have one or two things to learn about Step 1. The
guilt should not be over whether or not I drink (alcoholics drink -
that's what makes them alcoholic), but over what I didn't do instead.

8 meetings a week suddenly down to 2 sounds like drastic non-action if
you're doing nothing else to recover. Was it some kind of
complacency? Complacency bit me once before I really got serious
about recovery. Meetings alone will really not keep an alcoholic
sober for long anyway, but alcoholics need to be doing something
instead of "just not drinking".

>One day at a time. I made it through 24 hours.
>
>No tears as of yet. I feel numb, confused. It is late and I'm going to bed
>... I'm wishing everyone here the best.

I've had a crap day today. Car is under threat of being taken off the
road due to "emissions inspection" The damn thing runs just fine,
better than many cars on the road. It just runs too rich. And just
marginally so. I heard today that it might need a new engine or
something. Just for a f*?!ing emissions inspection! God's teeth!
Makes me feel like visiting another planet for a while.

What's this have to do with alcoholism? The desire to escape reality
can happen even when sober and that desire itself doesn't have to come
in the form of any drink or drugs.

Haven't had a drink today. Haven't needed a drink, haven't wanted a
drink. But I got royally pissed off for a while. And I was
effectively forced to miss a regular meeting tonight because of bad
snow (we never had snow like this in England!). And that's okay.

--
Blue Moon

Moonraker

01-27-2004, 10:01 PM

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:07DRb.113348$VV4.76274@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> > >ideological differences are no excuse for rudeness.
> >
> >
> >
>
> robert,
> i'm not trying to be rude, i am trying to talk to JB, to point out
> what he/she needs to be careful of........................to no
> avail, i'm sure.....................
>

Speaking of rudeness....JB has, as have others, repeatedly told you she is
female. She has spoken of her husband repeatedly. You are either too
fucking stupid or obstinate to accept that, and insist on your "he/she"
bullshit.

And why should JB (or anybody else, for that matter) believe any "advice"
you have on offer? Given your continued exaggeration of your past
employment, education, credentials, and lifestyle, all you've ever
demonstrated is your incapacity for rigorous honesty. You are a fraud and a
liar.

I can not think of a single newcomer to whom you've offered your brand of
"help" on this groupover the last 6 months who has managed to stay sober.
With "friends" like you, nobody needs any enemies.

01-27-2004, 10:14 PM

>.................. And I was
> effectively forced to miss a regular meeting tonight because of
bad
> snow (we never had snow like this in England!). And that's okay.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

enjoy!
sorry about your car..................................

George &The Dragon

01-27-2004, 11:25 PM

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ae894f288b8683b9ff288c0d3cdfaf1e@news.teranew s.com...

> What's this have to do with alcoholism? The desire to escape reality
> can happen even when sober and that desire itself doesn't have to come
> in the form of any drink or drugs.
>
> Haven't had a drink today. Haven't needed a drink, haven't wanted a
> drink. But I got royally pissed off for a while. And I was
> effectively forced to miss a regular meeting tonight because of bad
> snow (we never had snow like this in England!). And that's okay.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

We had a heavy blizzard in the Toronto area today too. It took me over an
hour to clear my driveway and was pretty frozen when I came in. All of a
sudden the Dragon was there telling me that a nice hot toddy would go down
well.

I opened the door and threw him out into the snow, but he had me thinking
for a second or two.

George

& the
Dragon

Robert McGregor

01-27-2004, 11:43 PM

" <rosie>" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kgFRb.113523$VV4.42614@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> >..................... imo it was a more useful newsgroup before
> that bitch arrived here, not
> > so covertly purporting herself as superior, while surreptitiously
> recruiting
> > "clients."
> >
> > Bob
>
>
> robert,
> recruiting clients? LOL! i don't want, nor need clients from the
> internet........................
>
> and as far as this newsgroup being better before i (the bitch)
> arrived............it only takes a little googling to see that you
> were a jerk then too!
>
>
> your ANTI-AA stance has been obvious for a long time!
> and there are those of us around who know why..............and you
> just can't handle it!

Anti AA stance? I've probably posted the AA URLs more than the rest here
combined!

Having recovered, I neither need to, nor want to "handle it".
>
> why not rely on your purported "superior spirituality" and ask for
> some healing?

Where on earth did you get that idea, from the mind fucking imaginary
committee in your head?

>
> love ya,

Jeez you're a lying troll

Bob

Robert McGregor

01-28-2004, 01:21 AM

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101e16ioc4vjt39@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
> news:I%BRb.2435$qR3.132@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:101dnr968i25657@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Sher H" <Miss_Cheevous@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:16162-4016D40A-66@storefull-3357.bay.webtv.net...
> > > I see what a tangled web alcohol weaves but I still
> > > > drink
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't think you do see, yet. Did you read the site Robert suggested?
> Did
> > > you comprehend or relate to any of it? Are you here for info on how to
> > start
> > > recovering from alcoholism or to tell your dunkalogs?
> > > I have learned, only recently, that alcohol and/or drugs are nothing
to
> > play
> > > around with. I thought I could. I lied to all in this group and to my
> > > husband. I am paying dearly now. I thought I had all the answers.
Well,
> I
> > > don't know jack shit!
> > > Sher, if you want recovery, get honest with yourself or continue the
> > tangled
> > > web you weave. Your choice. There are good people in here that can
give
> > the
> > > suggestions one needs for recovery.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Gail (alcoholic & addict)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi, Gail.
> >
> > I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
> > doing.
> >
> > Good to see you back.
> >
> >
>
> Thank you. I am just grateful to be able to read and type again. Will
> explain when my brain gets back or what I have left of it.
> Being able to red the posts helps a lot.
> Best,
> Gail
>

When I first started reading the big book, those pesky words used to float
all over the page. I thought all that shit was normal, just very annoying is
all.

Bob

01-28-2004, 03:16 AM

" <rosie>" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9bFRb.113519$VV4.43108@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > Rosie,
> >
> > Your behaviour towards me does not endear you to me
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> i am not looking to endear myself to you...................i don't
> trust a word you type, i don't even know who you really are!
>
> LOL!

Rosie dear,

In the post from which you've quoted I also said:

" However, I recognise that, sometimes, you talk sense
........................ "

That is yet another truth I've spoken.

If you feel the need to continue not to trust a word I say, then so
be it.

Yours.

JB

01-28-2004, 04:07 AM

"Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
news:CxFRb.2719$qR3.2603@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:07DRb.113348$VV4.76274@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > > >ideological differences are no excuse for rudeness.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > robert,
> > i'm not trying to be rude, i am trying to talk to JB, to point out
> > what he/she needs to be careful of........................to no
> > avail, i'm sure.....................
> >
>
> Speaking of rudeness....JB has, as have others, repeatedly told you
she is
> female. She has spoken of her husband repeatedly. You are either
too
> fucking stupid or obstinate to accept that, and insist on your
"he/she"
> bullshit.

<snip>

In an earlier reply to me, Rosie said:

"i don't even know who you really are!"

Rosie,

If you ever come to the UK, perhaps we could meet. You would be
welcomed to come to our house. I make drinkable coffee, ( IMO) :^)

Yours

JB

Robert McGregor

01-28-2004, 04:18 AM

http://blank.org/link/?q=1075281290

01-28-2004, 07:39 AM

http://au.geocities.com/robert_mcgregor/

why doesn't this surprise me?

ROTFLMAO!

01-28-2004, 07:43 AM

> We had a heavy blizzard in the Toronto area today too. It took me
over an
> hour to clear my driveway and was pretty frozen when I came in.
All of a
> sudden the Dragon was there telling me that a nice hot toddy would
go down
> well.
>
> I opened the door and threw him out into the snow, but he had me
thinking
> for a second or two.
>
> George
>

great torture george!
:)

01-28-2004, 07:46 AM

> Rosie,
>
> If you ever come to the UK, perhaps we could meet. You would be
> welcomed to come to our house. I make drinkable coffee, ( IMO)
:^)
>
> Yours
>
> JB
>
>
>

JB,
it is this behavior that convinces me that you are not
ok..........................when your ready to tell everyone here
the truth about yourself, we can make coffee plans..................

01-28-2004, 07:52 AM

bob,
i understand why your crew won't let you topside!

;)

Moonraker

01-28-2004, 08:45 AM

" <rosie>" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:paORb.345$sd.82@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > Rosie,
> >
> > If you ever come to the UK, perhaps we could meet. You would be
> > welcomed to come to our house. I make drinkable coffee, ( IMO)
> :^)
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> >
>
> JB,
> it is this behavior that convinces me that you are not
> ok..........................when your ready to tell everyone here
> the truth about yourself, we can make coffee plans..................
>
>

What behavior would that be?

Gail

01-28-2004, 09:14 AM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:bv7315$5cv$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:101e16ioc4vjt39@corp.supernews.com...
> > Thank you. I am just grateful to be able to read and type again.
> Will
> > explain when my brain gets back or what I have left of it.
> > Being able to red the posts helps a lot.
> > Best,
> > Gail
> >
> Hi Gail,
>
> FWIW, I've also been thinking about you recently.
>
> I hope that from now on each day will be for you a better day than
> yesterday..
>
> Wishing you all the best
>
> JB
>
> (smiling)
>
> "A true friend is someone who thinks that you are a good egg even
> though he knows that you are slightly cracked" -.Bernard Meltzer
>
>
>
>
>
>
Thank you, JB. Means a lot.

Best,
Gail

Gail

01-28-2004, 09:42 AM

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0ff88d100058b4eb88482595fc67af6d@news.teranew s.com...
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi, Gail.
> >
> >I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
> >doing.
>
> Me too. Ain't that odd?
>
> What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

Hi Blue. Not a whole lot. Recovering from my ignorance. Last year I started
taking a med that was not prescribed to me. Stupid! I did that for about
three months and then felt guilty and stopped. I didn't think about getting
addicted to it. Well, in November I stopped taking it and I started having
delusions and paranoia. When I went to the hospital, not being able to tell
them what I had been doing, they sent me to a crazy hospital and put me on
Resperdal for schitzo(sp). Was there for two weeks and I couldn't understand
why none of the other patients couldn't talk and walked around like zombies.
I thought I had died and was between heaven and hell. I thought the doctor
at the hospital knew what she was doing and after two weeks came home and
was on the resperdal. About three weeks ago I shut down. I knew something
wasn't right before Christmas. I didn't feel like me. No one would believe
me. Finally, I got to see my doctor and she took me off the Resperdal and
said I never should have been on it and to never take it again. It did a
number on me. I have been reading on the side effects of anti psychotics and
now I have to wonder how many people are alcoholic or addict and being
prescribed those meds. I found out I was having the equivalent of dt's when
I stopped taking that stuff back in November. I couldn't tell them, my
husband didn't know and I went through all this stuff because I chose to
play around with my sobriety. I feel like I have had part of my brain taken
out. The doctor said it will take some time for me to get back to normal. I
thought I had had a stroke or brain tumor while taking that resperdal. It is
an experience I wish I had never had. So, things are slowly getting better.
I hope I made some sense in this post. Everything is still jumbled in my
head right now.
Thanks for thinking about me.
Gail

Fred Exley

01-28-2004, 12:13 PM

What made you decide to take an unprescribed med? And why couldn't you tell
anyone? Just curious, but it sounds pretty dangerous! -Fred

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101fijvql531df4@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0ff88d100058b4eb88482595fc67af6d@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi, Gail.
> > >
> > >I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
> > >doing.
> >
> > Me too. Ain't that odd?
> >
> > What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?
> >
> > --
> > Blue Moon
>
> Hi Blue. Not a whole lot. Recovering from my ignorance. Last year I
started
> taking a med that was not prescribed to me. Stupid! I did that for about
> three months and then felt guilty and stopped. I didn't think about
getting
> addicted to it. Well, in November I stopped taking it and I started having
> delusions and paranoia. When I went to the hospital, not being able to
tell
> them what I had been doing, they sent me to a crazy hospital and put me on
> Resperdal for schitzo(sp). Was there for two weeks and I couldn't
understand
> why none of the other patients couldn't talk and walked around like
zombies.
> I thought I had died and was between heaven and hell. I thought the doctor
> at the hospital knew what she was doing and after two weeks came home and
> was on the resperdal. About three weeks ago I shut down. I knew something
> wasn't right before Christmas. I didn't feel like me. No one would believe
> me. Finally, I got to see my doctor and she took me off the Resperdal and
> said I never should have been on it and to never take it again. It did a
> number on me. I have been reading on the side effects of anti psychotics
and
> now I have to wonder how many people are alcoholic or addict and being
> prescribed those meds. I found out I was having the equivalent of dt's
when
> I stopped taking that stuff back in November. I couldn't tell them, my
> husband didn't know and I went through all this stuff because I chose to
> play around with my sobriety. I feel like I have had part of my brain
taken
> out. The doctor said it will take some time for me to get back to normal.
I
> thought I had had a stroke or brain tumor while taking that resperdal. It
is
> an experience I wish I had never had. So, things are slowly getting
better.
> I hope I made some sense in this post. Everything is still jumbled in my
> head right now.
> Thanks for thinking about me.
> Gail
>
>

Gail

01-28-2004, 12:45 PM

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:101frdkbvj2lm9d@corp.supernews.com...
> What made you decide to take an unprescribed med?

No excuse here. It was a stupid choice I made. I was so totally into saving
the world that I forgot about me. I just didn't realize how dangerous what I
did was until after the fact. I thought I knew what was best for me.

And why couldn't you tell
> anyone?

I wasn't in any shape to tell anyone. Why did I drink in secret? Same reason
I took the meds in secret. I knew it was wrong. I have addictions and that
is what happens when one doesn't take care of themself. Like I said before,
I thought I knew what was best for me and stopped listening to people who
knew better.

Just curious, but it sounds pretty dangerous! -Fred

I wouldn't wish this on anyone. It was dangerous.

Best,
Gail
>
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:101fijvql531df4@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:0ff88d100058b4eb88482595fc67af6d@news.teranew s.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi, Gail.
> > > >
> > > >I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you
were
> > > >doing.
> > >
> > > Me too. Ain't that odd?
> > >
> > > What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Blue Moon
> >
> > Hi Blue. Not a whole lot. Recovering from my ignorance. Last year I
> started
> > taking a med that was not prescribed to me. Stupid! I did that for about
> > three months and then felt guilty and stopped. I didn't think about
> getting
> > addicted to it. Well, in November I stopped taking it and I started
having
> > delusions and paranoia. When I went to the hospital, not being able to
> tell
> > them what I had been doing, they sent me to a crazy hospital and put me
on
> > Resperdal for schitzo(sp). Was there for two weeks and I couldn't
> understand
> > why none of the other patients couldn't talk and walked around like
> zombies.
> > I thought I had died and was between heaven and hell. I thought the
doctor
> > at the hospital knew what she was doing and after two weeks came home
and
> > was on the resperdal. About three weeks ago I shut down. I knew
something
> > wasn't right before Christmas. I didn't feel like me. No one would
believe
> > me. Finally, I got to see my doctor and she took me off the Resperdal
and
> > said I never should have been on it and to never take it again. It did a
> > number on me. I have been reading on the side effects of anti psychotics
> and
> > now I have to wonder how many people are alcoholic or addict and being
> > prescribed those meds. I found out I was having the equivalent of dt's
> when
> > I stopped taking that stuff back in November. I couldn't tell them, my
> > husband didn't know and I went through all this stuff because I chose to
> > play around with my sobriety. I feel like I have had part of my brain
> taken
> > out. The doctor said it will take some time for me to get back to
normal.
> I
> > thought I had had a stroke or brain tumor while taking that resperdal.
It
> is
> > an experience I wish I had never had. So, things are slowly getting
> better.
> > I hope I made some sense in this post. Everything is still jumbled in my
> > head right now.
> > Thanks for thinking about me.
> > Gail
> >
> >
>
>

01-28-2004, 01:35 PM

i am glad to see that you have given this so much thought gail, and
SO GLAD that you will be ok.

RESPERDAL is a wonderful psychiatric med, but only for those that
really need it.

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:101fta1sl3li779@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:101frdkbvj2lm9d@corp.supernews.com...
> > What made you decide to take an unprescribed med?
>
> No excuse here. It was a stupid choice I made. I was so totally
into saving
> the world that I forgot about me. I just didn't realize how
dangerous what I
> did was until after the fact. I thought I knew what was best for
me.
>
> And why couldn't you tell
> > anyone?
>
> I wasn't in any shape to tell anyone. Why did I drink in secret?
Same reason
> I took the meds in secret. I knew it was wrong. I have addictions
and that
> is what happens when one doesn't take care of themself. Like I
said before,
> I thought I knew what was best for me and stopped listening to
people who
> knew better.
>
> Just curious, but it sounds pretty dangerous! -Fred
>
> I wouldn't wish this on anyone. It was dangerous.
>
> Best,
> Gail
> >
> >
> > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:101fijvql531df4@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:0ff88d100058b4eb88482595fc67af6d@news.teranew s.com...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker"
<notnow@noway.nev>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Gail.
> > > > >
> > > > >I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering
how you
> were
> > > > >doing.
> > > >
> > > > Me too. Ain't that odd?
> > > >
> > > > What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Blue Moon
> > >
> > > Hi Blue. Not a whole lot. Recovering from my ignorance. Last
year I
> > started
> > > taking a med that was not prescribed to me. Stupid! I did that
for about
> > > three months and then felt guilty and stopped. I didn't think
about
> > getting
> > > addicted to it. Well, in November I stopped taking it and I
started
> having
> > > delusions and paranoia. When I went to the hospital, not being
able to
> > tell
> > > them what I had been doing, they sent me to a crazy hospital
and put me
> on
> > > Resperdal for schitzo(sp). Was there for two weeks and I
couldn't
> > understand
> > > why none of the other patients couldn't talk and walked around
like
> > zombies.
> > > I thought I had died and was between heaven and hell. I
thought the
> doctor
> > > at the hospital knew what she was doing and after two weeks
came home
> and
> > > was on the resperdal. About three weeks ago I shut down. I
knew
> something
> > > wasn't right before Christmas. I didn't feel like me. No one
would
> believe
> > > me. Finally, I got to see my doctor and she took me off the
Resperdal
> and
> > > said I never should have been on it and to never take it
again. It did a
> > > number on me. I have been reading on the side effects of anti
psychotics
> > and
> > > now I have to wonder how many people are alcoholic or addict
and being
> > > prescribed those meds. I found out I was having the equivalent
of dt's
> > when
> > > I stopped taking that stuff back in November. I couldn't tell
them, my
> > > husband didn't know and I went through all this stuff because
I chose to
> > > play around with my sobriety. I feel like I have had part of
my brain
> > taken
> > > out. The doctor said it will take some time for me to get back
to
> normal.
> > I
> > > thought I had had a stroke or brain tumor while taking that
resperdal.
> It
> > is
> > > an experience I wish I had never had. So, things are slowly
getting
> > better.
> > > I hope I made some sense in this post. Everything is still
jumbled in my
> > > head right now.
> > > Thanks for thinking about me.
> > > Gail
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Robert McGregor

01-28-2004, 02:11 PM

01-28-2004, 02:49 PM

Moonraker

01-28-2004, 03:28 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> " <rosie>" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:paORb.345$sd.82@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > > Rosie,
> > >
> > > If you ever come to the UK, perhaps we could meet. You would be
> > > welcomed to come to our house. I make drinkable coffee, ( IMO)
> > :^)
> > >
> > > Yours
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > JB,
> > it is this behavior that convinces me that you are not
> > ok..........................when your ready to tell everyone here
> > the truth about yourself, we can make coffee plans..................
>
> (smiling)
>
> Rosie dear,
>
> "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know
> that you would lie if you were in his place."
> -Henry Louis Mencken
>
> Yours
>
> JB

Of course, Rosemary would lie when the truth would serve her purpose better.

She wouldn't know the truth if it bit her on her fat ass.

01-28-2004, 05:48 PM

> Rosie dear,
>
> "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you
know
> that you would lie if you were in his place."
> -Henry Louis Mencken
>
> Yours
>
> JB
>
>

this is another fine example JB......................ok, i will stop
this communication with you, as it obviously is not doing you one
bit of good.........................maybe someone else will get
through to you, it obviously won't be me.

01-28-2004, 05:51 PM

"Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
news:4TURb.3420$qR3.2350@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>

>
> She wouldn't know the truth if it bit her on her fat ass.
>
>

i wish you were right about that moonie, but indeed i DO know the
truth about JB and his/her reaction to me.
i have now stopped the communication, its pointless, and encourages
more of his/her "using" behavior.

01-28-2004, 05:53 PM

>
> How on earth could a neurotic drug abuser/promoter like you know
that Gail
> will be ok?

> Bob.
>

((((((((((((((((((((robert)))))))))))))))))))))))
i know that you feel as grateful as i do, that gail will be
ok...........................

Bobby L.

01-28-2004, 06:36 PM

Gail,

Good to "see" you again and I'm glad to hear you getting better. ;)

Bobby L

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0ff88d100058b4eb88482595fc67af6d@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi, Gail.
> > >
> > >I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering how you were
> > >doing.
> >
> > Me too. Ain't that odd?
> >
> > What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?
> >
> > --
> > Blue Moon
>
> Hi Blue. Not a whole lot. Recovering from my ignorance. Last year I
started
> taking a med that was not prescribed to me. Stupid! I did that for about
> three months and then felt guilty and stopped. I didn't think about
getting
> addicted to it. Well, in November I stopped taking it and I started having
> delusions and paranoia. When I went to the hospital, not being able to
tell
> them what I had been doing, they sent me to a crazy hospital and put me on
> Resperdal for schitzo(sp). Was there for two weeks and I couldn't
understand
> why none of the other patients couldn't talk and walked around like
zombies.
> I thought I had died and was between heaven and hell. I thought the doctor
> at the hospital knew what she was doing and after two weeks came home and
> was on the resperdal. About three weeks ago I shut down. I knew something
> wasn't right before Christmas. I didn't feel like me. No one would believe
> me. Finally, I got to see my doctor and she took me off the Resperdal and
> said I never should have been on it and to never take it again. It did a
> number on me. I have been reading on the side effects of anti psychotics
and
> now I have to wonder how many people are alcoholic or addict and being
> prescribed those meds. I found out I was having the equivalent of dt's
when
> I stopped taking that stuff back in November. I couldn't tell them, my
> husband didn't know and I went through all this stuff because I chose to
> play around with my sobriety. I feel like I have had part of my brain
taken
> out. The doctor said it will take some time for me to get back to normal.
I
> thought I had had a stroke or brain tumor while taking that resperdal. It
is
> an experience I wish I had never had. So, things are slowly getting
better.
> I hope I made some sense in this post. Everything is still jumbled in my
> head right now.
> Thanks for thinking about me.
> Gail
>
>

01-28-2004, 06:52 PM

" <rosie>" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m%WRb.1057$sd.158@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > Rosie dear,
> >
> > "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you
> know
> > that you would lie if you were in his place."
> > -Henry Louis Mencken
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
>
> this is another fine example JB......................ok, i will stop
> this communication with you, as it obviously is not doing you one
> bit of good.........................

Rosie dear,

There is no need for you to worry about the effect any conversation we
have has on me. You should consider only you own needs and do what
you think will fulfil them.

I note your desire to end this conversation and therefore say goodbye.

Yours

JB

Gail

01-28-2004, 08:32 PM

" <rosie>" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ihTRb.55$2h.36@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> i am glad to see that you have given this so much thought gail, and
> SO GLAD that you will be ok.

What I am so afraid of is that I won't be ok.

>
> RESPERDAL is a wonderful psychiatric med, but only for those that
> really need it.

I can see where it would stop someone from walking in front of a train,
thinking about walking in front of a train or even not being able to call
for help. I couldn't even say my husbands name. My tongue wouldn't work. I
don't know of anyone who needs a drug like that. I am not kidding. What I
have been reading is that resperdal is being used for things it shouldn't be
used for, too. It was my fault that I was having withdrawal and dt's and not
being able to communicate that at the time. I just wish the crazy hospital
would have done test and called my doctor and seen I had no history of
bi-polar or schitzo before putiing me on a drug like that. Now, I wonder how
many poor people are stuck in hospitals and put on that shit to keep them
quite and motionless. I honestly thought I had a stoke or anurism(sp). After
two weeks of being off it I still feel like shit.

>
>
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie
>
> It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
> groans
> more loudly than an empty stomach.
> ..............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt
>
> http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:101fta1sl3li779@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:101frdkbvj2lm9d@corp.supernews.com...
> > > What made you decide to take an unprescribed med?
> >
> > No excuse here. It was a stupid choice I made. I was so totally
> into saving
> > the world that I forgot about me. I just didn't realize how
> dangerous what I
> > did was until after the fact. I thought I knew what was best for
> me.
> >
> > And why couldn't you tell
> > > anyone?
> >
> > I wasn't in any shape to tell anyone. Why did I drink in secret?
> Same reason
> > I took the meds in secret. I knew it was wrong. I have addictions
> and that
> > is what happens when one doesn't take care of themself. Like I
> said before,
> > I thought I knew what was best for me and stopped listening to
> people who
> > knew better.
> >
> > Just curious, but it sounds pretty dangerous! -Fred
> >
> > I wouldn't wish this on anyone. It was dangerous.
> >
> > Best,
> > Gail
> > >
> > >
> > > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:101fijvql531df4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:0ff88d100058b4eb88482595fc67af6d@news.teranew s.com...
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:00:25 -0500, "Moonraker"
> <notnow@noway.nev>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi, Gail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I was just thinking about you this afternoon and wondering
> how you
> > were
> > > > > >doing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Me too. Ain't that odd?
> > > > >
> > > > > What's happening in your part of the US of A, Gail?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Blue Moon
> > > >
> > > > Hi Blue. Not a whole lot. Recovering from my ignorance. Last
> year I
> > > started
> > > > taking a med that was not prescribed to me. Stupid! I did that
> for about
> > > > three months and then felt guilty and stopped. I didn't think
> about
> > > getting
> > > > addicted to it. Well, in November I stopped taking it and I
> started
> > having
> > > > delusions and paranoia. When I went to the hospital, not being
> able to
> > > tell
> > > > them what I had been doing, they sent me to a crazy hospital
> and put me
> > on
> > > > Resperdal for schitzo(sp). Was there for two weeks and I
> couldn't
> > > understand
> > > > why none of the other patients couldn't talk and walked around
> like
> > > zombies.
> > > > I thought I had died and was between heaven and hell. I
> thought the
> > doctor
> > > > at the hospital knew what she was doing and after two weeks
> came home
> > and
> > > > was on the resperdal. About three weeks ago I shut down. I
> knew
> > something
> > > > wasn't right before Christmas. I didn't feel like me. No one
> would
> > believe
> > > > me. Finally, I got to see my doctor and she took me off the
> Resperdal
> > and
> > > > said I never should have been on it and to never take it
> again. It did a
> > > > number on me. I have been reading on the side effects of anti
> psychotics
> > > and
> > > > now I have to wonder how many people are alcoholic or addict
> and being
> > > > prescribed those meds. I found out I was having the equivalent
> of dt's
> > > when
> > > > I stopped taking that stuff back in November. I couldn't tell
> them, my
> > > > husband didn't know and I went through all this stuff because
> I chose to
> > > > play around with my sobriety. I feel like I have had part of
> my brain
> > > taken
> > > > out. The doctor said it will take some time for me to get back
> to
> > normal.
> > > I
> > > > thought I had had a stroke or brain tumor while taking that
> resperdal.
> > It
> > > is
> > > > an experience I wish I had never had. So, things are slowly
> getting
> > > better.
> > > > I hope I made some sense in this post. Everything is still
> jumbled in my
> > > > head right now.
> > > > Thanks for thinking about me.
> > > > Gail
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>