Antabuse??? Allstop???

[J. Rockford]

Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike

[JB]

"J. Rockford" <mikedawn@flash.net> wrote in message
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> Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike

Hi Mike,

I was prescribed Antabuse in the 1990's and told not to drink while
taking them. I continued to do so. I did so on more than one
occasion. It was not a good idea because afterwards my heart would
race, I would feel extremely cold and at times, think I was going to
die. When I told my doctor what I had been doing and what I had
experienced, he told me that I was lucky not to have had a fatal heart
attack. I do not know whether there is any truth in that. When my
doctor refused to give me any more Antabuse, I took the decision to
stop pouring booze down my throat and using only willpower, didn't
drink again for nearly eight years. When I did, my drinking quickly
got out of control. When I quit again last year, I decided that
neither Antabuse nor any other drugs nor my willpower alone was what
would keep me each day from drinking.. What has done so is my
willpower and acting on the advice I've received from certain members
of this NG and AA.

HTH

Best regards

JB

[J. Rockford]

In article <buldqn$u0b$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
wrote:

> "J. Rockford" <mikedawn@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:200120042239234937%mikedawn@flash.net...
> > Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I was prescribed Antabuse in the 1990's and told not to drink while
> taking them. I continued to do so. I did so on more than one
> occasion. It was not a good idea because afterwards my heart would
> race, I would feel extremely cold and at times, think I was going to
> die. When I told my doctor what I had been doing and what I had
> experienced, he told me that I was lucky not to have had a fatal heart
> attack. I do not know whether there is any truth in that. When my
> doctor refused to give me any more Antabuse, I took the decision to
> stop pouring booze down my throat and using only willpower, didn't
> drink again for nearly eight years. When I did, my drinking quickly
> got out of control. When I quit again last year, I decided that
> neither Antabuse nor any other drugs nor my willpower alone was what
> would keep me each day from drinking.. What has done so is my
> willpower and acting on the advice I've received from certain members
> of this NG and AA.
>
> HTH
>
> Best regards
>
> JB

Thanks, Mike

[MB]

I was prescribed Antabuse and took it for about one year.

At first I kicked against the idea of relying on what is basically a toxic
drug to "cure" me. Well, it didn't "cure" me - but it took me about 6 months
to realise that it wasn't ever meant to do that.

All it can do is buy you time, time free from alcohol, time to clear your
head a little, time to remember what it's like to feel human again.

Drink on this stuff, and you will be VERY ill. Vomiting, dizziness, racing
heart, the sweats, hot flushes - the whole lot in one go. It is very
possible it will kill you, and only a fool will go back for a repeat
performance.

BUT, when a person has learned the consequences of drinking while taking
Antabuse they will have to make a choice between alcohol and Antabuse.
Fortunately, for me this decision was made while I was sober and I chose
Antabuse. I hated it because I STILL WANTED TO DRINK. But I couldn't. I
couldn't even cheat and stop the Antabuse for 10 days (it takes that time to
clear your system) for "one last bender" because my family was monitoring my
Antabuse. I was forced to knuckle down and find something else to think
about except that bottle of vodka I wanted so much.

I did relapse the first time I came off the Antabuse. So after another "cold
turkey" session which was more painful than anything I have ever
experienced, I went back on the Antabuse for another six months and this
time I cleaned myself up completely. The Antabuse took the option of
drinking away from me, gave me sober time to remember how good it feels to
be alive and how shit I felt when drunk. Now I have a life - albeit one
that's been damaged by what I did under the influence of alcohol.

So, in summary, I hated Antabuse because it took away my best friend
(alcohol) but now I know that without it I would be a very very sick man.
For me, it was a necessary evil. For some, it won't work because they will
cheat on taking the pills. For a few, it will kill them because they will
drink while taking it and find out the hard way that the heart can only take
so much before it gives out.

One last point - I don't think Antabuse will work for an alcoholic who is
not monitored - even forced - while taking it. We are a devioius bunch of
people, and we will go to great lengths to find a drink. It's easy to
"forget" that little white pill for a week or so - and then start the next
bender.

MB


"J. Rockford" <mikedawn@flash.net> wrote in message
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> Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike

[The Other Harry]

[On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 04:34:24 GMT, "J. Rockford"
<mikedawn@flash.net> wrote:]

> Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike

My mother was an alcoholic. For a time, she tried antibuse.
All it did was make her sick.

She tried many things. Like I've been doing.

I tend to agree with those who say that the way to quit
drinking is to stop drinking. There may be (probably are)
some mental hurtles in there.
--
Harry <---- who recently changed his email address

[>rosie]

mike,
antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.


--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME
****VOTE****






"J. Rockford" <mikedawn@flash.net> wrote in message
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> Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike

[Robert McGregor]

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> mike,
> antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
>
>
From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>YES, whatever works!
>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
>drink/drug,

From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ZPSl5.19140$E05.340458@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>

>i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
>60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with that dosage?
>my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
Message-ID: <A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>
> i will never be recovered..............................

[Moonraker]

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> mike,
> antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
>
>

If it's forcibly administered, maybe. I fail to see the value of antabuse
when left up to the individual alcoholic to take it.

Wanna drink? Simple. Just "forget" to take the antabuse.

If one is individually motivated to take the antabuse, it follows that they
are motivated to stop drinking anyway. So, what's the point?

[>rosie]

bob,
you are deliberately confusing the treatment of alcoholism with
treatment of a Dysthymic Disorder.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz









"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:NgvPb.83498$VV4.31679@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > mike,
> > antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
> >
> >
> From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
> >YES, whatever works!
> >i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
> >drink/drug,
>
> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID:
<ZPSl5.19140$E05.340458@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>
>
> >i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
> >60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with that
dosage?
> >my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
message
> Message-ID: <A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>
> >
> > i will never be recovered..............................
>
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CTvPb.83508$VV4.73571@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> bob,
> you are deliberately confusing the treatment of alcoholism with
> treatment of a Dysthymic Disorder.



Evidence is that's precisely what you have been doing ever since you started
trolling here.

Bob.

http://depression.about.com/cs/dysthymia/
Dysthymia is a milder, chronic form of depression. It may periodically have
episodes of major depression superimposed upon it. When this occurs, it is
known as "double depression".
http://www.apa.org/releases/antidep.html
Study Finds Psychotherapy and Anti-Depressants Equally Effective in Treating
Severely Depressed Primary-Care Patients

WASHINGTON - Researchers comparing the effectiveness of treating major
depression with either antidepressant medication or psychotherapy noted no
difference in the success of the two treatment methods after an eight-month
clinical investigation.

http://www.soulcare.org/Counseling/Medicine-Counseling.html
Peter Breggin, M.D., & David Cohen, Ph.D., in YOUR DRUG MAY BE YOUR PROBLEM:
HOW AND WHY TO STOP TAKING PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATIONS. 1999.
"Psychiatric drugs are much more dangerous than many consumers and even
physicians realize. All of these drugs produce numerous serious and
potentially fatal adverse reactions, and most are capable of causing
withdrawal problems that are emotionally and physically distressing." (p.
ix)

"If people do feel better when drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana, it is
because they feel better when their brain is impaired. Psychiatric drugs are
no different. The people . . . may feel less of their emotional suffering.
They may even reach a state of relative anesthesia. But to the degree that
they feel better, it is because they are experiencing intoxication with the
drugs." (p. 2)

>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bulvvb$j3ld2$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:NgvPb.83498$VV4.31679@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > mike,
> > > antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
> > >
> > >
> > From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
> > >YES, whatever works!
> > >i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
> > >drink/drug,
> >
> > From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> > Message-ID:
> <ZPSl5.19140$E05.340458@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>
> >
> > >i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
> > >60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with that
> dosage?
> > >my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> > Message-ID: <A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
> >
> > >
> > > i will never be recovered..............................
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[>rosie]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>

> Evidence is that's precisely what you have been doing ever since
you started
> trolling here.
>
> Bob.
>

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[JB]

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> mike,
> antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie

>
Would you care to say under what conditions you think it would *not*
be OK for such a drug to be prescribed ?

JB

[JB]

"J. Rockford" <mikedawn@flash.net> wrote in message
news:200120042239234937%mikedawn@flash.net...
> Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike

Maybe, this will be of interest

http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-a02.html

Wishing you well

JB

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <lRwPb.83512$VV4.10592@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, ">rosie<"
<readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> writes
>
>
>"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>
>> Evidence is that's precisely what you have been doing ever since
>you started
>> trolling here.
>>
>> Bob.
>>
>
>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him - he never
posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bum6vm$l9v$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>
>" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:NgvPb.83498$VV4.31679@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> mike,
>> antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
>>
>> --
>> read and post daily, it works!
>> rosie
>
>>
>Would you care to say under what conditions you think it would *not*
>be OK for such a drug to be prescribed ?

In the case of manic depression. I asked for it but was told not
appropriate with my condition.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In message <lRwPb.83512$VV4.10592@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, ">rosie<"
> <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> writes
> >
> >
> >"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >
> >> Evidence is that's precisely what you have been doing ever since
> >you started
> >> trolling here.
> >>
> >> Bob.
> >>
> >
> >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> >
> >
> Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him - he
never
> posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Dear Johnathan,

Why suggest such things to Rosie ? Do you think that she is incapable
of deciding for herself what to do ? :^)

JB

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bumbdj$rg1$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:DFmjQMKpnqDAFwjk@aol.com...
>> In message <lRwPb.83512$VV4.10592@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, ">rosie<"
>> <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> writes
>> >
>> >
>> >"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> >news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Evidence is that's precisely what you have been doing ever since
>> >you started
>> >> trolling here.
>> >>
>> >> Bob.
>> >>
>> >
>> >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>> >
>> >
>> Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him - he
>never
>> posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>Dear Johnathan,
>
>Why suggest such things to Rosie ? Do you think that she is incapable
>of deciding for herself what to do ? :^)

I think rosie and eminently capable person. Last time I looked I was
free to suggest what I like to whom I like.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[>rosie]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In message <bumbdj$rg1$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
<JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> writes
> >
> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:DFmjQMKpnqDAFwjk@aol.com...
> >> In message <lRwPb.83512$VV4.10592@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
">rosie<"
> >> <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> writes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> >> >news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Evidence is that's precisely what you have been doing ever
since
> >> >you started
> >> >> trolling here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bob.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him -
he
> >never
> >> posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Bratt
> >
> >Dear Johnathan,
> >
> >Why suggest such things to Rosie ? Do you think that she is
incapable
> >of deciding for herself what to do ? :^)
>
> I think rosie and eminently capable person. Last time I looked I
was
> free to suggest what I like to whom I like.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt


ROTFLMAO!
you may not suggest ANYTHING unless you go through bob's social
secretary JB!
LOL!

[>rosie]

> >"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...

> >
> >
> Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him - he
never
> posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt


thanks for the concern jonathan, bob doesn't bother
me.............he KNOWS that i know the truth about his LAMPLIGHTER
AA involvement and it pisses him off, so he stays on my tail.

pathetic.......................

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In message <bumbdj$rg1$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
<JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> writes
> >
> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:DFmjQMKpnqDAFwjk@aol.com...
> >> In message <lRwPb.83512$VV4.10592@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
">rosie<"
> >> <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> writes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> >> >news:bum2p6$ikop9$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...

> >> Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him - he
> >never
> >> posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Bratt
> >
> >Dear Johnathan,
> >
> >Why suggest such things to Rosie ? Do you think that she is
incapable
> >of deciding for herself what to do ? :^)
>
> I think rosie and eminently capable person. Last time I looked I was
> free to suggest what I like to whom I like.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Which you do :^)

Best regards

JB

[JB]

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:zUn$EoLsOrDAFwUn@aol.com...
> > I think rosie and eminently capable person. Last time I looked I
> was
> > free to suggest what I like to whom I like.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> you may not suggest ANYTHING unless you go through bob's social
> secretary JB!
> LOL!

Dear Rosie,

Earlier today, in replying in this thread to::

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NgvPb.83498$VV4.31679@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> mike,
> antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie

--------

I asked:

"Would you care to say under what conditions you think it would *not*
be OK for such a drug to be prescribed ?"

-------

As this question directly relates to recovery and some of us know
about your claims to be a professional who works in the recovery from
alcoholism field, do you not think that in answering this question
you might help someone ?

Yours

JB

[Robert McGregor]

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > >
> > Rosie - why don't you ignore him completely or killfile him - he
> never
> > posts anything useful so you won't be missing anything.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
>
> thanks for the concern jonathan, bob doesn't bother
> me.............he KNOWS that i know the truth about his LAMPLIGHTER
> AA involvement and it pisses him off, so he stays on my tail.
>
> pathetic.......................
>
>

Obviously your neurosis (Alternative names: neurotic depression (dysthymia);
dysthymic disorder) is a poor substitute for self esteem.

Bob

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Ignore the argument by attacking and demeaning the person.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
> that is the modus operandi of a few in here.
> childish, and rude, but i would expect nothing less from them.
> the constant "chatter" and nitpicking from them is to try and keep us
from discussing anything relevant to recovery,
> have you noticed?

[>rosie]

>
> Obviously your neurosis (Alternative names: neurotic depression
(dysthymia);
> dysthymic disorder) is a poor substitute for self esteem.
>
> Bob

sure bob............................anything you
say.......................
ROTFLMAO!



> > thanks for the concern jonathan, bob doesn't bother
> > me.............he KNOWS that i know the truth about his
LAMPLIGHTER
> > AA involvement and it pisses him off, so he stays on my tail.
> >
> > pathetic.......................
> >
> >

[Robert McGregor]

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000918.cfm#Alternative%20names:

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UlBPb.83551$VV4.15535@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > Obviously your neurosis (Alternative names: neurotic depression
> (dysthymia);
> > dysthymic disorder) is a poor substitute for self esteem.
> >
> > Bob
>
> sure bob............................anything you
> say.......................
> ROTFLMAO!
>
>
>
> > > thanks for the concern jonathan, bob doesn't bother
> > > me.............he KNOWS that i know the truth about his
> LAMPLIGHTER
> > > AA involvement and it pisses him off, so he stays on my tail.
> > >
> > > pathetic.......................
> > >
> > >
>
>

[>rosie]

here you go sweetie!

Dysthymic Disorder
In dysthymic disorder, depressive symptoms typically begin
insidiously in childhood or adolescence and pursue an intermittent
or low-grade course over many years or decades; major depressive
episodes may complicate it (double depression).









> > > > thanks for the concern jonathan, bob doesn't bother
> > > > me.............he KNOWS that i know the truth about his
> > LAMPLIGHTER
> > > > AA involvement and it pisses him off, so he stays on my
tail.
> > > >
> > > > pathetic.......................
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

http://silkworth.net/bb/howitworks.html
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than our-selves could restore us to
sanity.


" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> here you go sweetie!
>
> Dysthymic Disorder
> In dysthymic disorder, depressive symptoms typically begin
> insidiously in childhood or adolescence and pursue an intermittent
> or low-grade course over many years or decades; major depressive
> episodes may complicate it (double depression).
>
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> > > > > thanks for the concern jonathan, bob doesn't bother
> > > > > me.............he KNOWS that i know the truth about his
> > > LAMPLIGHTER
> > > > > AA involvement and it pisses him off, so he stays on my
> tail.
> > > > >
> > > > > pathetic.......................
> > > > >
> > > > >
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[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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<snip>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
message
> news:3qjGa.12242$fe.260356@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Ignore the argument by attacking and demeaning the person.
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Bratt
> >
> > that is the modus operandi of a few in here.
> > childish, and rude, but i would expect nothing less from them.
> > the constant "chatter" and nitpicking from them is to try and
keep us
> from discussing anything relevant to recovery,
> > have you noticed?
>
Dear Rosie,

Earlier today, in replying in this thread to::

" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> mike,
> antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie

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I asked:

"Would you care to say under what conditions you think it would *not*
be OK for such a drug to be prescribed ?"

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As this question directly relates to recovery and some of us know
about your claims to be a professional who works in the recovery from
alcoholism field, do you not think that in answering this question
you might help someone ?

Yours

JB :^)

[John Doe]

"J. Rockford" <mikedawn@flash.net> wrote in
news:200120042239234937%mikedawn@flash.net:

> Any one of ya ever try this stuff? Thanks, Mike
>

Real hard on the liver long term. Just what an alcoholic needs, more damage
to the liver!

Jeff

--
Live simply so that others may simply live.

[MB]

"Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
news:tyvPb.23557$%86.2033@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> " >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:NgvPb.83498$VV4.31679@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > mike,
> > antabuse can be a very valuable QUIT TOOL for an alcoholic.
> >
> >
>
> If it's forcibly administered, maybe. I fail to see the value of
antabuse
> when left up to the individual alcoholic to take it.
>
> Wanna drink? Simple. Just "forget" to take the antabuse.
>
> If one is individually motivated to take the antabuse, it follows that
they
> are motivated to stop drinking anyway. So, what's the point?
>
>

A good point, and one I used to make when looking for a reason not to go on
Antabuse. But the thing to remember is it takes about 10 days (it was
actually about 8 days for me) for Antabuse to clear the body sufficiently
for there to be no Antabuse-alcohol reaction.

This makes planning a drinking session more difficult - sure you may feel
like a drink NOW and decide to stop taking the pills. But you won't be able
to safely open the bottle for more than another week - and there is a good
chance that by then you will have changed your mind and started on the
Antabuse again.

That was my experience anyway. Only once did I drink while cheating on the
Antabuse. I didn't leave it long enough (couldn't wait for the drink!) and
was extremely ill.

Like I have already said, I do not like the idea of Antabuse but I do
believe that for many individuals it will buy them time off alcohol.
Hopefully they will use this time to get a clear head, think clearly and
realise that they are drinking themselves to death and need to change. That
is my experience, anyway.

Antabuse is DEFINITELY not a cure for alcoholism. It is very good at doing
what it is supposed to do - making a sick bunny out of anyone who mixes it
with alcohol.

[Blue Moon]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:27:22 -0000, "MB" <mbee67@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> If one is individually motivated to take the antabuse, it follows that
>they
>> are motivated to stop drinking anyway. So, what's the point?
>
>A good point, and one I used to make when looking for a reason not to go on
>Antabuse. But the thing to remember is it takes about 10 days (it was
>actually about 8 days for me) for Antabuse to clear the body sufficiently
>for there to be no Antabuse-alcohol reaction.

If alcoholics at certain times have no effective mental defence
against the first drink, and given that antabuse is so potentially
dangerous, it seems to me it should be a drug that's only administered
to alcoholics under close supervision.

--
Blue Moon

[JB]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b99ce5c1b93999e5f39ad35f440f2d8b@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:27:22 -0000, "MB" <mbee67@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> If one is individually motivated to take the antabuse, it
follows that
> >they
> >> are motivated to stop drinking anyway. So, what's the point?
> >
> >A good point, and one I used to make when looking for a reason not
to go on
> >Antabuse. But the thing to remember is it takes about 10 days (it
was
> >actually about 8 days for me) for Antabuse to clear the body
sufficiently
> >for there to be no Antabuse-alcohol reaction.
>
> If alcoholics at certain times have no effective mental defence
> against the first drink, and given that antabuse is so potentially
> dangerous, it seems to me it should be a drug that's only
administered
> to alcoholics under close supervision.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

Thank you Blue. I agree with your point of view. Because of my
attitude towards drinking at the time I was prescribed Antabuse it
would have been better for me to either have not been prescribed it or
given it only while imprisoned in a detox cetnre for example..

When I was prescribed Antabuse I convinced both my GP
and the consultant doctor at our local hospital to whom he referred
me, that I would follow their advice and not drink while taking it.
They and I believed I was speaking the truth and the consultant gave
me weekly prescriptions for, I think, five one-a-day tablets to take
at home. Once I'd been prescribed the tablets, I had to report to him
once a week. In between these visits, I was unsupervised.

I do not remember how long it was before I started drinking at the
same time as taking the Antabuse. However, I do remember lying to my
consultant when he asked me on more than one occasion whether I was
drinking. I eventually decided to tell the truth after feeling one
too many times that I was about to die. Writing this,has brought back
memories of me lying either in bed or on the sofa feeling: my heart
racing, alternately hot and cold, that my limbs had gone dead and that
I'd neither energy nor desire to get up and ring for an ambulance. In
response, my consultant immediately stopped prescribing the Antabuse.

I was able to acheive some years of sobriety only after acquiring
firstly the will to stop drinking and secondly a determination to
stay stopped.

Best regards

JB