Re: Can anyone tell me if I am really sober or not?

[Carla M]

Well that certain was not very nice. My husband does not seem to
think I have a problem drinking. Only my ex-sponsor did. My husband
doesn't say one word about the wine I drink, even if I do go overboard
with a glass or two on occasion. I haven't touched cocaine in quite
awhile now and that is what counts to me. So what if I have a couple
of glasses of wine at night?

As for my doctor, I don't say anything to him because I don't want him
yelling at me for drinking with my medication. My manic-depressive
disorder has been under control for sometime now. My last doctor said
it was ok for me to have a wine or two every now and then but this
doctor is on my case so I don't say anything.

What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
become a lawyer. I've been down
the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult
and any sponsor I had chewed me out for drinking even though cocaine
was my numero uno drug and I gave that up a long time ago.

Carla McB

>
>>
>> <clap clap clap>
>Hi my name is Beavis. I thought I had a problem with drugs and alchole.
>After reading the posts earlier I know now it was all those damned twelve
>step meetings that made me a drunk and a junkie. I only use crack once a
>day, and only after work. I only drink jack daniels, the doctor told me it
>would quiete the voices in my head. Seems to be working after about a fifth
>or so, will this affect my sober date in NA? I really like the taste of
>crack and it makes my parinoid feelings go away.I think this is all nessary
>to function in my job as a Peep show booth swabber. Its a good job.Free
>kleenex! I got a new house today. Its a new amana box. No shower though
>cause I didnt want to waste water.My wife left when she saw the new house.
>Had to move because of the methlab that moved into my old one. I cant see
>quiting any of this stuff until my life falls apart, or another good reason.
> Drugs are good for the economy , it keeps cops employed as wellas
>councilers, halfway houses, alot of dogs[ to sniff it out], judges,
>correctional facilities ,and Rush Limbaw. See all those folks need my drug
>addiction for theire livelyhood. I am doing my comunity a favor, and the
>voices in my head get to take a nap. Thanks, see Carla McB. youre not alone.
>>
>> --
>> greetings Earthling
>> Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg
>> http://www.atjfaq.com/
>
>

[F.H.]

Carla M wrote:

> What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> become a lawyer.

Plan ahead: http://www.otherbar.org/



> I've been down the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds
> me of a cult

Some cult. They failed to recruit and brainwash you. May you live in
interesting times and enjoy your wine.

Gramps

[Virtualoso]

In article <0e31e38ba4afc4e0b59d4f084e152043@news.secureusenet .com>,
Carla M <Lglhlpr2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... I've been down
> the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult...

Making it a mystery just why you'd bother to find an NG about AA to
post asking about what you did, in the first place.

[Kenneth]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:21:34 GMT, Lglhlpr2003@yahoo.com (Carla M) wrote in
message <0e31e38ba4afc4e0b59d4f084e152043@news.secureusenet .com>:
>Well that certain was not very nice. My husband does not seem to
>think I have a problem drinking. Only my ex-sponsor did. My husband
>doesn't say one word about the wine I drink, even if I do go overboard
>with a glass or two on occasion. I haven't touched cocaine in quite
>awhile now and that is what counts to me. So what if I have a couple
>of glasses of wine at night?

if it's not a problem, it's not a problem.

some spouses can also make a problem where non exists. they'll decide that X
behaviour is unacceptable to them and arbitrarily make it a huge deal in the
relationship.

my ex-wife, for example, had a thing about me bringing home sluts to fuck in
the living room while she was asleep. I mean, it's not as if I was doing it
right next to her in bed and we kept the noises down to acceptable level AND
I always wore a condom. but some bitches are just impossible to please!

<okay, that was a tasteless joke>

>As for my doctor, I don't say anything to him because I don't want him
>yelling at me for drinking with my medication. My manic-depressive
>disorder has been under control for sometime now. My last doctor said
>it was ok for me to have a wine or two every now and then but this
>doctor is on my case so I don't say anything.

sounds like a Dr. Phil.

>What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
>you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
>in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
>become a lawyer. I've been down
>the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult
>and any sponsor I had chewed me out for drinking even though cocaine
>was my numero uno drug and I gave that up a long time ago.
>
>Carla McB

I think that's great Carla.

Nellie was just telling an atj joke. no need to get worked up by it.

I don't think yer gonna get much if any support from the cult of NA. if you
hang out in ARNA, you will soon discover that they are populated with
downright evil and sadistic bastards who only want to do one thing: hurt
you.

if you suck up to them and pander to them, they'll support you. but if you
argue or even merely disagree with them, they'll turn nasty. in short,
they're arseholes.

One thing I find a bit strange, though, is why you feel the need to get
affirmation that you are indeed sober. It's a thread in your mind that
you're tugging on. You probably have some doubts about it and maybe those
doubts are because you have previously been told in 12 step groups that
you're not sober.

You have to decide for yourself whether you think you ought to abstain from
alcohol or whether you can handle it. See how it works out for you.

Personally, I prefer to abstain these days. That seems to work better for
me. But I haven't sworn off alcohol. I'm just not drinking at this time.

--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/faq.php

[Bobby L.]

"Carla M" <Lglhlpr2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0e31e38ba4afc4e0b59d4f084e152043@news.secureu senet.com...
> Well that certain was not very nice. My husband does not seem to
> think I have a problem drinking. Only my ex-sponsor did. My husband
> doesn't say one word about the wine I drink, even if I do go overboard
> with a glass or two on occasion. I haven't touched cocaine in quite
> awhile now and that is what counts to me. So what if I have a couple
> of glasses of wine at night?
>
> As for my doctor, I don't say anything to him because I don't want him
> yelling at me for drinking with my medication. My manic-depressive
> disorder has been under control for sometime now. My last doctor said
> it was ok for me to have a wine or two every now and then but this
> doctor is on my case so I don't say anything.
>
> What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> become a lawyer. I've been down
> the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult
> and any sponsor I had chewed me out for drinking even though cocaine
> was my numero uno drug and I gave that up a long time ago.
>
> Carla McB
>
> >

You are right. If I were you I would not worry about what those other folks
say. You have your life under control it sounds. So do what you want to
do. Hell, I probably wouldn't be honest my doctor either.

I do have one question... You say you have been down the 12 step road
before. So I ask how far? Did you work any steps or just go to meetings
for a couple months?

Bobby L

[crayzKirk]

It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up to
you. See if this relates to you or not...

I was drug/alcohol free for over seven years. One day, my significant other
brought a joint home and wanted to smoke it. I was hesitant and thought, my
problem is with alcohol, weed never affected me the same way. Soon, I was
buying it again and back into my old playgrounds and playmates. After a
time, my significant other didn't like it anymore and quit. I didn't. A
couple of years later, I took my first drink. A couple beers a week
wouldn't hurt anyone, right? It progressed to where I was drinking all the
time and now I'm back to square one.

If I had been brutally honest with myself, I would have known exactly where
I would be. In fact, I even heard the inner voice and chose to ignore it.

What does YOUR heart tell YOU?

Kirk S. <alcoholic, perfectionist, control freak, etc>

One day at a time... Beware of the pitfalls of pride. I am my own worst
enemy.
"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:phjPb.17022$%86.8259@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "Carla M" <Lglhlpr2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0e31e38ba4afc4e0b59d4f084e152043@news.secureu senet.com...
> > Well that certain was not very nice. My husband does not seem to
> > think I have a problem drinking. Only my ex-sponsor did. My husband
> > doesn't say one word about the wine I drink, even if I do go overboard
> > with a glass or two on occasion. I haven't touched cocaine in quite
> > awhile now and that is what counts to me. So what if I have a couple
> > of glasses of wine at night?
> >
> > As for my doctor, I don't say anything to him because I don't want him
> > yelling at me for drinking with my medication. My manic-depressive
> > disorder has been under control for sometime now. My last doctor said
> > it was ok for me to have a wine or two every now and then but this
> > doctor is on my case so I don't say anything.
> >
> > What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> > you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> > in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> > become a lawyer. I've been down
> > the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult
> > and any sponsor I had chewed me out for drinking even though cocaine
> > was my numero uno drug and I gave that up a long time ago.
> >
> > Carla McB
> >
> > >
>
> You are right. If I were you I would not worry about what those other
folks
> say. You have your life under control it sounds. So do what you want to
> do. Hell, I probably wouldn't be honest my doctor either.
>
> I do have one question... You say you have been down the 12 step road
> before. So I ask how far? Did you work any steps or just go to meetings
> for a couple months?
>
> Bobby L
>
>
>

[Bender]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:16:00 GMT, "crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com>
wrote in message <4xjPb.96085$fq1.60825@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
>It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up to
>you. See if this relates to you or not...
>I was drug/alcohol free for over seven years. One day, my significant other
>brought a joint home and wanted to smoke it. I was hesitant and thought, my
>problem is with alcohol, weed never affected me the same way. Soon, I was
>buying it again and back into my old playgrounds and playmates. After a
>time, my significant other didn't like it anymore and quit. I didn't. A
>couple of years later, I took my first drink. A couple beers a week
>wouldn't hurt anyone, right? It progressed to where I was drinking all the
>time and now I'm back to square one.
>If I had been brutally honest with myself, I would have known exactly where
>I would be. In fact, I even heard the inner voice and chose to ignore it.

it sucks to be an addict, huh?

[Fred Exley]

You got me -I'm in the same boat too, sober 11 days now. I am trying to
find other things to do, so that I'm not always thinking of booze. For
example, I take my kid on bike rides, am reading a novel for the first time
in a long time, etc. I've seen a lot of posts here that say with time it
gets better. Let's hope so. As some famous author said: "I've never been
sober long enough to enjoy it". Bored or not, at least I'm feeling more
healthy and energetic with each day... -Fred

[Fred Exley]

You got me -I'm in the same boat too, sober 11 days now. I am trying to
find other things to do, so that I'm not always thinking of booze. For
example, I take my kid on bike rides, am reading a novel for the first time
in a long time, etc. I've seen a lot of posts here that say with time it
gets better. Let's hope so. As some famous author said: "I've never been
sober long enough to enjoy it". Bored or not, at least I'm feeling more
healthy and energetic with each day... -Fred

[Jim Blair]

"crayzKirk" wrote
It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up to
you.

Yabut, how come most steppers try to stick labels on newbies?
Jim

[The Other Harry]

[On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:22:28 -0500, "Jim Blair"
<jblair@videotron.ca> wrote:]

> Yabut, how come most steppers try to stick labels on newbies?

It helps them feel better.

--
Harry <---- who recently changed his email address

[crayzKirk]

"Bender" <ben.der.fender@drunk.com> wrote in message
news:1eir009mpucgqq7k7cbkpi9o9fsm2gd9li@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:16:00 GMT, "crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com>
> wrote in message <4xjPb.96085$fq1.60825@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
> >It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up to
> >you. See if this relates to you or not...
> >I was drug/alcohol free for over seven years. One day, my significant
other
> >brought a joint home and wanted to smoke it. I was hesitant and thought,
my
> >problem is with alcohol, weed never affected me the same way. Soon, I
was
> >buying it again and back into my old playgrounds and playmates. After a
> >time, my significant other didn't like it anymore and quit. I didn't. A
> >couple of years later, I took my first drink. A couple beers a week
> >wouldn't hurt anyone, right? It progressed to where I was drinking all
the
> >time and now I'm back to square one.
> >If I had been brutally honest with myself, I would have known exactly
where
> >I would be. In fact, I even heard the inner voice and chose to ignore
it.
>
> it sucks to be an addict, huh?

No, my choices in how I dealt with my feelings are what sucked.

Kirk S
>

[>rosie]

fred,
are you going to recovery meetings?

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
groans
more loudly than an empty stomach.
...............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt

REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME
****VOTE****






"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:100rj42ojem9i93@corp.supernews.com...
> You got me -I'm in the same boat too, sober 11 days now. I am
trying to
> find other things to do, so that I'm not always thinking of booze.
For
> example, I take my kid on bike rides, am reading a novel for the
first time
> in a long time, etc. I've seen a lot of posts here that say with
time it
> gets better. Let's hope so. As some famous author said: "I've
never been
> sober long enough to enjoy it". Bored or not, at least I'm
feeling more
> healthy and energetic with each day... -Fred
>
>

[Chaks]

"Carla M" <Lglhlpr2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0e31e38ba4afc4e0b59d4f084e152043@news.secureu senet.com...
> Well that certain was not very nice. My husband does not seem to
> think I have a problem drinking. Only my ex-sponsor did. My husband
> doesn't say one word about the wine I drink, even if I do go overboard
> with a glass or two on occasion. I haven't touched cocaine in quite
> awhile now and that is what counts to me. So what if I have a couple
> of glasses of wine at night?
>
> As for my doctor, I don't say anything to him because I don't want him
> yelling at me for drinking with my medication. My manic-depressive
> disorder has been under control for sometime now. My last doctor said
> it was ok for me to have a wine or two every now and then but this
> doctor is on my case so I don't say anything.
>
> What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> become a lawyer. I've been down
> the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult
> and any sponsor I had chewed me out for drinking even though cocaine
> was my numero uno drug and I gave that up a long time ago.
>
> Carla McB

Keep drinking your, "wine or two". If you aren't an alcoholic, you will
always be able to do this, unless, of course, alcohol on top of your
medication puts you into a suicidal depression. If the day comes when you
are unable to restrict your wine intake to "one or two", then you will know
that you ARE an alcoholic and AA will be waiting for your call. Good luck.
Skoal. Prosit. Chaim.



>
> >
> >>
> >> <clap clap clap>
> >Hi my name is Beavis. I thought I had a problem with drugs and alchole.
> >After reading the posts earlier I know now it was all those damned twelve
> >step meetings that made me a drunk and a junkie. I only use crack once a
> >day, and only after work. I only drink jack daniels, the doctor told me
it
> >would quiete the voices in my head. Seems to be working after about a
fifth
> >or so, will this affect my sober date in NA? I really like the taste of
> >crack and it makes my parinoid feelings go away.I think this is all
nessary
> >to function in my job as a Peep show booth swabber. Its a good job.Free
> >kleenex! I got a new house today. Its a new amana box. No shower though
> >cause I didnt want to waste water.My wife left when she saw the new
house.
> >Had to move because of the methlab that moved into my old one. I cant see
> >quiting any of this stuff until my life falls apart, or another good
reason.
> > Drugs are good for the economy , it keeps cops employed as wellas
> >councilers, halfway houses, alot of dogs[ to sniff it out], judges,
> >correctional facilities ,and Rush Limbaw. See all those folks need my
drug
> >addiction for theire livelyhood. I am doing my comunity a favor, and the
> >voices in my head get to take a nap. Thanks, see Carla McB. youre not
alone.
> >>
> >> --
> >> greetings Earthling
> >> Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg
> >> http://www.atjfaq.com/
> >
> >
>

[Chaks]

"F.H." <disconnectedxxxxx@chimplinkxxx.net> wrote in message
news:400DAE8F.26A4DCB@chimplinkxxx.net...
> Carla M wrote:
>
> > What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> > you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> > in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> > become a lawyer.
>
> Plan ahead: http://www.otherbar.org/
>
>
>
> > I've been down the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds
> > me of a cult
>
> Some cult. They failed to recruit and brainwash you. May you live in
> interesting times and enjoy your wine.
>
> Gramps

Gramps, I thought that, "May you live in interesting times", was an ancient
Chinese curse?

[F.H.]

Chaks wrote:
>
> "F.H." <disconnectedxxxxx@chimplinkxxx.net> wrote in message
> news:400DAE8F.26A4DCB@chimplinkxxx.net...
> > Carla M wrote:
> >
> > > What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> > > you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> > > in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> > > become a lawyer.
> >
> > Plan ahead: http://www.otherbar.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > > I've been down the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds
> > > me of a cult
> >
> > Some cult. They failed to recruit and brainwash you. May you live in
> > interesting times and enjoy your wine.
> >
> > Gramps
>
> Gramps, I thought that, "May you live in interesting times", was an ancient
> Chinese curse?

Hmmm, didn't think of it that way exactly, more of a prediction.
Perhaps I should have said, You may live in interesting times as you
enjoy your wine.

[Ron]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:16:00 GMT, crayzKirk <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote:

> It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up to
> you. See if this relates to you or not...
>
> I was drug/alcohol free for over seven years. One day, my significant other
> brought a joint home and wanted to smoke it. I was hesitant and thought, my
> problem is with alcohol, weed never affected me the same way.

You know, I must confess (well, actually there's no obligation to
incriminate myself, but anyway), the idea that I shouldn't get lit
probably bugs me more than the thought that I shouldn't pick up another
drink.
0
I might have to switch newsgroups. O.0 0
_ /

--
AB5DB9CC

[Ron]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:14:48 GMT, Ron <can@the.spam> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:16:00 GMT, crayzKirk <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up to
>> you. See if this relates to you or not...
>>
>> I was drug/alcohol free for over seven years. One day, my significant other
>> brought a joint home and wanted to smoke it. I was hesitant and thought, my
>> problem is with alcohol, weed never affected me the same way.
>
> You know, I must confess (well, actually there's no obligation to
> incriminate myself, but anyway), the idea that I shouldn't get lit
> probably bugs me more than the thought that I shouldn't pick up another
> drink.
> 0
> I might have to switch newsgroups. O.0 0
> _ /
>

BTW, I'm not lit - now or anytime recently. But I favor legalization
and, let's say, have a certain proclivity.

--
AB5DB9CC

[Fred Exley]

I've been to two A.A. meetings. I'm more into this group at this point
because there are a lot of very short timers here like me, and that's what I
can relate to. The meetings are ok, but most there have been sober for
years, and I can't relate to that yet. Chaz and the others here, these guys
I can relate to! Thanks for asking, Rosie. -Fred





" >rosie<" <readandpostTAKETHISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:NrmPb.96127$fq1.66343@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> fred,
> are you going to recovery meetings?
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie
>
> It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often
> groans
> more loudly than an empty stomach.
> ..............................Franklin Delano Roosevelt
>
> REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME
> ****VOTE****
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:100rj42ojem9i93@corp.supernews.com...
> > You got me -I'm in the same boat too, sober 11 days now. I am
> trying to
> > find other things to do, so that I'm not always thinking of booze.
> For
> > example, I take my kid on bike rides, am reading a novel for the
> first time
> > in a long time, etc. I've seen a lot of posts here that say with
> time it
> > gets better. Let's hope so. As some famous author said: "I've
> never been
> > sober long enough to enjoy it". Bored or not, at least I'm
> feeling more
> > healthy and energetic with each day... -Fred
> >
> >
>
>

[JoeRaisin]

I am curious as to why you think think the doctor would not like you
drinking on your medication?

Do you believe his reasons have merrit, or do you believe them to be
frivolous?

I have read that treating depression with a depressant can be
counterproductive.



"Carla M" <Lglhlpr2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0e31e38ba4afc4e0b59d4f084e152043@news.secureu senet.com...
> Well that certain was not very nice. My husband does not seem to
> think I have a problem drinking. Only my ex-sponsor did. My husband
> doesn't say one word about the wine I drink, even if I do go overboard
> with a glass or two on occasion. I haven't touched cocaine in quite
> awhile now and that is what counts to me. So what if I have a couple
> of glasses of wine at night?
>
> As for my doctor, I don't say anything to him because I don't want him
> yelling at me for drinking with my medication. My manic-depressive
> disorder has been under control for sometime now. My last doctor said
> it was ok for me to have a wine or two every now and then but this
> doctor is on my case so I don't say anything.
>
> What you said below is downright nasty. You are making fun of me and
> you don't know my story. I am not some wino that wanders the streets
> in Boston. I work parttime as a paralegal and I hope one day to
> become a lawyer. I've been down
> the 12 Step Road before and I don't like it. It reminds me of a cult
> and any sponsor I had chewed me out for drinking even though cocaine
> was my numero uno drug and I gave that up a long time ago.
>
> Carla McB
>
> >
> >>
> >> <clap clap clap>
> >Hi my name is Beavis. I thought I had a problem with drugs and alchole.
> >After reading the posts earlier I know now it was all those damned twelve
> >step meetings that made me a drunk and a junkie. I only use crack once a
> >day, and only after work. I only drink jack daniels, the doctor told me
it
> >would quiete the voices in my head. Seems to be working after about a
fifth
> >or so, will this affect my sober date in NA? I really like the taste of
> >crack and it makes my parinoid feelings go away.I think this is all
nessary
> >to function in my job as a Peep show booth swabber. Its a good job.Free
> >kleenex! I got a new house today. Its a new amana box. No shower though
> >cause I didnt want to waste water.My wife left when she saw the new
house.
> >Had to move because of the methlab that moved into my old one. I cant see
> >quiting any of this stuff until my life falls apart, or another good
reason.
> > Drugs are good for the economy , it keeps cops employed as wellas
> >councilers, halfway houses, alot of dogs[ to sniff it out], judges,
> >correctional facilities ,and Rush Limbaw. See all those folks need my
drug
> >addiction for theire livelyhood. I am doing my comunity a favor, and the
> >voices in my head get to take a nap. Thanks, see Carla McB. youre not
alone.
> >>
> >> --
> >> greetings Earthling
> >> Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg
> >> http://www.atjfaq.com/
> >
> >
>

[Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:27:19 GMT, "crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com>
wrote in message <rkmPb.44773$LW.36905@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
>>it sucks to be an addict, huh?
>No, my choices in how I dealt with my feelings are what sucked.

yeah, whatever the fuck you think. i don't give a shit really.

--
greetings Earthling
Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg
http://www.atjfaq.com/

[crayzKirk]

"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@zergkingdom.biz> wrote in message
news:33qs00lmjhet6q6gji9huehngd7p9ngh6i@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:27:19 GMT, "crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com>
> wrote in message <rkmPb.44773$LW.36905@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
> >>it sucks to be an addict, huh?
> >No, my choices in how I dealt with my feelings are what sucked.
>
> yeah, whatever the fuck you think. i don't give a shit really.
>

Really? Coulda fooled me!

Kirk S
> --
> greetings Earthling
> Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg
> http://www.atjfaq.com/

[>rosie]

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:100s9j51g8tnb59@corp.supernews.com...
> I've been to two A.A. meetings. I'm more into this group at this
point
> because there are a lot of very short timers here like me, and
that's what I
> can relate to. The meetings are ok, but most there have been
sober for
> years, and I can't relate to that yet. Chaz and the others here,
these guys
> I can relate to! Thanks for asking, Rosie. -Fred
>


fred,
i would suggest that you continue to go to AA meetings AND use this
group.................
(remembering that ARAA is not AA)..
have you looked into meetings on line?
http://www.aa-intergroup.org/

in the meantime......................stay close!
;)

[Virtualoso]

In article <100rj3ijtach937@corp.supernews.com>, Fred Exley
<fexly221@msn.com> wrote:

> You got me -I'm in the same boat too, sober 11 days now. I am trying to
> find other things to do, so that I'm not always thinking of booze. For
> example, I take my kid on bike rides, am reading a novel for the first time
> in a long time, etc. I've seen a lot of posts here that say with time it
> gets better. Let's hope so. As some famous author said: "I've never been
> sober long enough to enjoy it". Bored or not, at least I'm feeling more
> healthy and energetic with each day... -Fred

You might like to try to find things to do mainly because they're
worth doing and you oughta' do them, no matter how you're feeling.

[John Doe]

"crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote in
news:4xjPb.96085$fq1.60825@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> It is not up to others to label you or state how you feel. That is up
> to you. See if this relates to you or not...
>
> I was drug/alcohol free for over seven years. One day, my significant
> other brought a joint home and wanted to smoke it. I was hesitant and
> thought, my problem is with alcohol, weed never affected me the same
> way. Soon, I was buying it again and back into my old playgrounds and
> playmates. After a time, my significant other didn't like it anymore
> and quit. I didn't. A couple of years later, I took my first drink.
> A couple beers a week wouldn't hurt anyone, right? It progressed to
> where I was drinking all the time and now I'm back to square one.
>
> If I had been brutally honest with myself, I would have known exactly
> where I would be. In fact, I even heard the inner voice and chose to
> ignore it.
>
> What does YOUR heart tell YOU?
>
> Kirk S. <alcoholic, perfectionist, control freak, etc>
>
Well said Kirk. I also never had a real problem with pot. I could take it
or leave it, but when I decided to live a sober lifestyle, I knew that I
had to leave it alone. Eventually, I am sure that it would take me where I
always felt most comfortable, the bottle.

Jeff



--
Live simply so that others may simply live.

[Chaks]

Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:27:19 GMT, "crayzKirk"
> <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com> wrote in message
> <rkmPb.44773$LW.36905@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
>>> it sucks to be an addict, huh?
>> No, my choices in how I dealt with my feelings are what sucked.
>
> yeah, whatever the fuck you think. i don't give a shit really.

If THAT is sobriety, I'll eat my shorts.

[blek blek blek]

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:11:58 GMT, "crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com>
wrote in message <yUuPb.45149$LW.22148@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
>"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@zergkingdom.biz> wrote in message
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:27:19 GMT, "crayzKirk" <kspradling@nospamkc.rr.com>
>> >>it sucks to be an addict, huh?
>> >No, my choices in how I dealt with my feelings are what sucked.
>> yeah, whatever the fuck you think. i don't give a shit really.
>Really? Coulda fooled me!

when you start talking in that funny 12 step jargon you just piss me off.

fuck yer feelings. fucking dealing with feelings.

load of shit.

--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
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[Well mercy me]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:24:49 GMT, "Chaks" <Chaks@Chaksstar.com> wrote in
message <lgIPb.12903$2j7.3385@clgrps13>:
>Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:27:19 GMT, "crayzKirk"
>>>> it sucks to be an addict, huh?
>>> No, my choices in how I dealt with my feelings are what sucked.
>> yeah, whatever the fuck you think. i don't give a shit really.
>If THAT is sobriety, I'll eat my shorts.

see, right there is your problem. right fucking there.

the 12 step cult doesn't define sobriety as the absence of alcohol... oh no,
it's a lot more than that.

thanx, but no thanx. all i ever wanted to do was find a way to quit using
drugs.

i didn't want to become a member of a religious cult and "improve" myself by
becoming a spiritual "nice" person.

I enjoy being a cunt.

--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/faq.php