Ask God

[24-7]

Ate, drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything. Alcohol favorite. Over
30 years, 3 businesses, 14 drunk drivings, years in jail. Got 3 days
in AA meeting, then they said can't be here 'till get the 'spiritual'
thing. Gave back 3 beginner's chips and left. Found spirituality.
Went back. Got 25 days. Bad convulsions. Crunched molar into
oblivion. Curled in corner fearing things trying to get me. Wierd
bugs. Rampant disconnected body parts. Now to go to daily AA
meetings, I must accept that there is a god of which I can ask things.
This is not the spirituality that sobered me up. There is no wisened
old man in the sky. AA not about higher power, about higher power who
listens to you, provides you with things, something you can talk to,
ask things of. Can't do 12 steps without that.

Shut up about God. Shut up about spirituality being bogus. Shut up
the voices in my hungover head. Just shut up.

AA looks good drunk. Not so good sober. Why do I keep living?

-- 24-7

[24-7]

Better to drink 1/2 gallon to gallon of vodka every night. Pickle
self. Don't start to sober up until 10:00-1:00 next day, but off work
by 2:30 so not too much to worry about. Bad to drink every other day.
Have bad hangovers.

Need to pickle self. Hangover bad. Sober bad. AA bad. Just make it
all go away.

-- 24/7

[Robert McGregor]

http://silkworth.net/bb/howitworks.html


"24-7" <right@here.now> wrote in message
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> Ate, drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything. Alcohol favorite. Over
> 30 years, 3 businesses, 14 drunk drivings, years in jail. Got 3 days
> in AA meeting, then they said can't be here 'till get the 'spiritual'
> thing. Gave back 3 beginner's chips and left. Found spirituality.
> Went back. Got 25 days. Bad convulsions. Crunched molar into
> oblivion. Curled in corner fearing things trying to get me. Wierd
> bugs. Rampant disconnected body parts. Now to go to daily AA
> meetings, I must accept that there is a god of which I can ask things.
> This is not the spirituality that sobered me up. There is no wisened
> old man in the sky. AA not about higher power, about higher power who
> listens to you, provides you with things, something you can talk to,
> ask things of. Can't do 12 steps without that.
>
> Shut up about God. Shut up about spirituality being bogus. Shut up
> the voices in my hungover head. Just shut up.
>
> AA looks good drunk. Not so good sober. Why do I keep living?
>
> -- 24-7

[Bobby L.]

"24-7" <right@here.now> wrote in message
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> Better to drink 1/2 gallon to gallon of vodka every night. Pickle
> self. Don't start to sober up until 10:00-1:00 next day, but off work
> by 2:30 so not too much to worry about. Bad to drink every other day.
> Have bad hangovers.
>
> Need to pickle self. Hangover bad. Sober bad. AA bad. Just make it
> all go away.
>
> -- 24/7

So how's that working out for you?

Bobby L

[Kevin Barnes]

I'll add you to my prayer list. Me an da "Big Guy", woe's a like tight
dees days. Don't worry man he'll take care once he knows.

24-7 wrote:

> Ate, drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything. Alcohol favorite. Over
> 30 years, 3 businesses, 14 drunk drivings, years in jail. Got 3 days
> in AA meeting, then they said can't be here 'till get the 'spiritual'
> thing. Gave back 3 beginner's chips and left. Found spirituality.
> Went back. Got 25 days. Bad convulsions. Crunched molar into
> oblivion. Curled in corner fearing things trying to get me. Wierd
> bugs. Rampant disconnected body parts. Now to go to daily AA
> meetings, I must accept that there is a god of which I can ask things.
> This is not the spirituality that sobered me up. There is no wisened
> old man in the sky. AA not about higher power, about higher power who
> listens to you, provides you with things, something you can talk to,
> ask things of. Can't do 12 steps without that.
>
> Shut up about God. Shut up about spirituality being bogus. Shut up
> the voices in my hungover head. Just shut up.
>
> AA looks good drunk. Not so good sober. Why do I keep living?
>
> -- 24-7

[The Other Harry]

[On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:41:54 -0800, 24-7 <right@here.now>
wrote:]

> Why do I keep living?

I can't answer that for you, but I am acquainted with the
question. Quite well acquainted with it.

My opinion is that there are some positive things we can do
while we are alive. We are all going to die anyway, so that
will come in time, regardless of anything else.

My concept of spirituality will not be quite the same as
yours, but I think we mostly all agree that there are some
good things we can do while we are here. We can at least try.

It's a bit difficult to do those things when we are passed
out.

So, in this way, drinking directly competes with whatever
sense of spirituality we may feel.

I have been talking to myself about all this.

[The Other Harry]

[On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:00:29 -0800, 24-7 <right@here.now>
wrote:]

> Better to drink 1/2 gallon to gallon of vodka every night. Pickle
> self. Don't start to sober up until 10:00-1:00 next day, but off work
> by 2:30 so not too much to worry about. Bad to drink every other day.
> Have bad hangovers.
>
> Need to pickle self. Hangover bad. Sober bad. AA bad. Just make it
> all go away.

I know. I don't get hangovers, but I know the rest of it.

The need to pickle is dyfunctional. I have taken several runs
at quitting drinking, but I have yet to get it right. I
admire those who have done it.

I *think*, chosing one good thing you may be able to do and
then focusing on that might not be bad. There is something.

[George &The Dragon]

>drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything

Nothing short of a MASSIVE change in your life will do.

-Some people do it by finding religion
-Some people do it with AA/NA
-Some people do it by joining the army (French Foreign Legion?)
-Some people do it by joining a monastery.
-Some people do it by giving their lives to others.

>drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything

ALL of these things have to go, or you are lost. Change your life
completely. It can be done.

Aye
George



& the Dragon

[Ricky Gentry]

>
> > Why do I keep living?
>
> I can't answer that for you, but I am acquainted with the
> question. Quite well acquainted with it.
>

I always was mad that God didn't kill me in my sleep. I've heard that said
at meetings by others without me saying a word about it. Apparently, it's
pretty common.

I like the way you worded it, though. I never wanted to commit suicide
because I didn't want to be labeld a quitter. Funny, huh. I wasn't scared.
I wasn't afraid of dying. I just really wondered what I might miss. In
other words, would I give up too early (AA says don't quit 5 minutes before
the miracle- or after for that matter).

All I know (for me, that is) is that without drinking, I have a chance. A
chance to experience the little miracles that God does daily. A chance to
participate in some of them. The cost- I have to feel. Yech!

However, taking that competitive nature from above, I can conclude that if
others can do it with help from a higher power, so can I.

> Need to pickle self. Hangover bad. Sober bad. AA bad. Just make it
> all go away.

Golly, can I ever relate. I feel for you. It's certainly a hard time when
you feel like that.

> Better to drink 1/2 gallon to gallon of vodka every night. Pickle
> self. Don't start to sober up until 10:00-1:00 next day, but off work
> by 2:30 so not too much to worry about.

You know what I really got mad at myself for? That drinking took time and
effort away from me. When I realized that (and that I might have had some
productive minutes during that time), I chalked up another notch on the
"bad" side of the ledger of drinking.

So much for me to learn. Time is limited. I only have so much energy. I
have to sacrifice my short term feelings to get productive.


I really don't know why I keep living. But, without alcohol, I have a
vision of what living is.

RG

[rosie]

george,
your post reminds me of parts of CHAPTER THREE of the BIG BOOK:



"..................Despite all we can say, many who are real
alcoholics are not going to believe they are in that class. By every
form of self- deception and experimentation, they will try to prove
themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore nonalcoholic. If anyone
who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the
right-about- face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are off to
him. Heaven knows, we have tried hard enough and long enough to
drink like other people!

Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only,
limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking
in the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house,
never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties,
switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines,
agreeing to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not
taking a trip, swearing off forever (with and without a solemn
oath), taking more physical exercise, reading inspirational books,
going to health farms and sanitariums, accepting voluntary
commitment to asylums we could increase the list ad infinitum. "


--
rosie
(readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com)

the main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the
bad
girls live.
................................. anonymous







"George &The Dragon" <george@dragon.ca> wrote in message
news:yOqEb.18849$CK3.1710039@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> >drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything
>
> Nothing short of a MASSIVE change in your life will do.
>
> -Some people do it by finding religion
> -Some people do it with AA/NA
> -Some people do it by joining the army (French Foreign Legion?)
> -Some people do it by joining a monastery.
> -Some people do it by giving their lives to others.
>
> >drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything
>
> ALL of these things have to go, or you are lost. Change your life
> completely. It can be done.
>
> Aye
> George
>
>
>
> & the Dragon
>
>
>

[rosie]

>
> I really don't know why I keep living. But, without alcohol, I
have a
> vision of what living is.
>
> RG
>
>

AMEN RG, AMEN!

[George &The Dragon]

Hi Rosie,

AA certainly worked for me when I hadn't a clue how to quit, but I was lucky
enough to have only one addiction. It seemed to me that people who had other
addictions had a much tougher time, and I sometimes wonder how successful
people can be at staying away from alcohol while still feeding a
cigarette/cocaine/heroin habit.

When I was growing up alcohol was the only easily-accessible drug. For that
I thank my lucky stars.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that the only salvation for 24/7 is
to find a way to fix ALL these addictions. And that means a massive change
in his/her life. AA would be a very useful, some would advise essential,
part of that change.

Aye,
George

& the Dragon
"rosie" <nospam@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:iXrEb.167220$Eq1.138000@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> george,
> your post reminds me of parts of CHAPTER THREE of the BIG BOOK:
>
>
>
> "..................Despite all we can say, many who are real
> alcoholics are not going to believe they are in that class. By every
> form of self- deception and experimentation, they will try to prove
> themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore nonalcoholic. If anyone
> who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the
> right-about- face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are off to
> him. Heaven knows, we have tried hard enough and long enough to
> drink like other people!
>
> Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only,
> limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking
> in the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house,
> never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties,
> switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines,
> agreeing to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not
> taking a trip, swearing off forever (with and without a solemn
> oath), taking more physical exercise, reading inspirational books,
> going to health farms and sanitariums, accepting voluntary
> commitment to asylums we could increase the list ad infinitum. "
>
>
> --
> rosie
> (readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com)
>
> the main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the
> bad
> girls live.
> ................................ anonymous
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "George &The Dragon" <george@dragon.ca> wrote in message
> news:yOqEb.18849$CK3.1710039@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > >drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything
> >
> > Nothing short of a MASSIVE change in your life will do.
> >
> > -Some people do it by finding religion
> > -Some people do it with AA/NA
> > -Some people do it by joining the army (French Foreign Legion?)
> > -Some people do it by joining a monastery.
> > -Some people do it by giving their lives to others.
> >
> > >drank, smoked, snorted, shot everything
> >
> > ALL of these things have to go, or you are lost. Change your life
> > completely. It can be done.
> >
> > Aye
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > & the Dragon
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[The Other Harry]

[On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:17:33 -0500, "George &The Dragon"
<george@dragon.ca> wrote:]

> and I sometimes wonder how successful
> people can be at staying away from alcohol while still feeding a
> cigarette/cocaine/heroin habit.

Many of us seem to be addictive. I am. I wish I wasn't.

Coke is the worst thing for me. Booze is bad, but not like
coke.

[rosie]

"George &The Dragon" <george@dragon.ca> wrote in message
news:3MDEb.21546$CK3.2040842@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> Hi Rosie,
>
> AA certainly worked for me when I hadn't a clue how to quit, but I
was lucky
> enough to have only one addiction. It seemed to me that people who
had other
> addictions had a much tougher time, and I sometimes wonder how
successful
> people can be at staying away from alcohol while still feeding a
> cigarette/cocaine/heroin habit.
>


this is where FIRST THINGS FIRST comes in, imo.
first, i worked on the addiction that was going to kill me quicker!
:)

[Moonraker]

"rosie" <nospam@notmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> this is where FIRST THINGS FIRST comes in, imo.
> first, i worked on the addiction that was going to kill me quicker!
> :)
>
>

"i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the
smoker................ so i kept on
smoking, and just popped vitamin C."

[rosie]

(((((((((((((((((((moonie))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))
keep coming back sweetie!

--
rosie
(readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com)

the main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the
bad
girls live.
................................. anonymous







"Moonraker" <notnow@noway.nev> wrote in message
news:uiFEb.912$ie6.171@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "rosie" <nospam@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hKEEb.173081$M02.67713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > this is where FIRST THINGS FIRST comes in, imo.
> > first, i worked on the addiction that was going to kill me
quicker!
> > :)
> >
> >
>
> "i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the
> smoker................ so i kept on
> smoking, and just popped vitamin C."
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie" <nospam@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:hKEEb.173081$M02.67713@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> "George &The Dragon" <george@dragon.ca> wrote in message
> news:3MDEb.21546$CK3.2040842@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > Hi Rosie,
> >
> > AA certainly worked for me when I hadn't a clue how to quit, but I
> was lucky
> > enough to have only one addiction. It seemed to me that people who
> had other
> > addictions had a much tougher time, and I sometimes wonder how
> successful
> > people can be at staying away from alcohol while still feeding a
> > cigarette/cocaine/heroin habit.
> >
>
>
> this is where FIRST THINGS FIRST comes in, imo.
> first, i worked on the addiction that was going to kill me quicker!
> :)
>
>

"Suppose he was asked,"What's all this 'First Things First'?" Dr Bob would
be ready with the appropriate quotation; "'Seek ye first the kingdom of God
and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.'"
.......... Dr Bob and the Good Oldtimers.

[rosie]

> "Suppose he was asked,"What's all this 'First Things First'?"

yes, just suppose..................................

[Christine]

>Many of us seem to be addictive. I am. I wish I wasn't.
>
>Coke is the worst thing for me. Booze is bad, but not like
>coke.
>

It's exactly the opposite for me, Harry. I couldn't imagine blow without a 30
pack (at least ...) but then again, i couldn't imagine anything without a 30
pack. hmmm...