This will be about enough

[The Other Harry]

I just finished writing a very nice post. I edited it,
spell-checked it, and everything. It was very thoughtful

The only problem is that I was laying on the couch at the time. It
all happened only in my mind. It was an another hallucination.

For people who have not yet experienced one of those, they are not
dreams. I know a dream when I see one. This was real.

Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.

I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.

[J. Rockford]

In article <pjimsvk19oeq6vnds2nrorpc47quefpr2a@4ax.com>, The Other
Harry <hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I just finished writing a very nice post. I edited it,
> spell-checked it, and everything. It was very thoughtful
>
> The only problem is that I was laying on the couch at the time. It
> all happened only in my mind. It was an another hallucination.
>
> For people who have not yet experienced one of those, they are not
> dreams. I know a dream when I see one. This was real.
>
> Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.
>
> I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.

You need to go to the hospital and withdrawl off the alcohol.
It sounds like you're gonna have to go through the DT's. The hospital
will have to take you if you go to the ER, they can give you meds to
help. I had to go to the ER three weeks ago after going on a ten day
binge, I felt like a complete dumbass but the DT's can very likely kill
you or you may go nuts while hallucinating and do something terrible.
Harry put your tail between your legs and get some help other than a
shrink that knows nothing about alcoholism and just really wants the
$$$$ or go get fucking drunk and tell alt.drunkenbastards all about it.

Later, Mike

[Jeff Cook]

Hmmmmm, See the above post entitled "Shit Happens"
The shrink or a meeting, the shrink or a meeting, Maybe both,eh.
Jeff
"The Other Harry" <hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:pjimsvk19oeq6vnds2nrorpc47quefpr2a@4ax.com...
> I just finished writing a very nice post. I edited it,
> spell-checked it, and everything. It was very thoughtful
>
> The only problem is that I was laying on the couch at the time. It
> all happened only in my mind. It was an another hallucination.
>
> For people who have not yet experienced one of those, they are not
> dreams. I know a dream when I see one. This was real.
>
> Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.
>
> I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.
>

[JB]

"The Other Harry" <hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:pjimsvk19oeq6vnds2nrorpc47quefpr2a@4ax.com...
> I just finished writing a very nice post. I edited it,
> spell-checked it, and everything. It was very thoughtful
>
> The only problem is that I was laying on the couch at the time. It
> all happened only in my mind. It was an another hallucination.
>
> For people who have not yet experienced one of those, they are not
> dreams. I know a dream when I see one. This was real.
>
> Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.
>
> I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.

Hi,

FWIW, when I read "I had not been drinking. I have been trying to
quit again", I thought "Good on yer Harry"

At this time, I'm wondering whether you think it would be a good idea
for you to go to whoever might be able to get you into a detox
centre..

I continue to hope that you will beat your alcoholism and to wish you
well.

Yours

JB

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:26:02 -0500, The Other Harry
<hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I just finished writing a very nice post. I edited it,
>spell-checked it, and everything. It was very thoughtful
>
>The only problem is that I was laying on the couch at the time. It
>all happened only in my mind. It was an another hallucination.
>
>For people who have not yet experienced one of those, they are not
>dreams. I know a dream when I see one. This was real.
>
>Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.
>
>I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.

Sounds about right. Curious how your shrink apparently isn't making
detox the no.1 priority.

--
Blue Moon

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <d8f201ea183b8d9199e5ae8b5f7720e8@news.teranews.com >, Blue
Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> writes
>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:26:02 -0500, The Other Harry
><hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>I just finished writing a very nice post. I edited it,
>>spell-checked it, and everything. It was very thoughtful
>>
>>The only problem is that I was laying on the couch at the time. It
>>all happened only in my mind. It was an another hallucination.
>>
>>For people who have not yet experienced one of those, they are not
>>dreams. I know a dream when I see one. This was real.
>>
>>Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.
>>
>>I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.
>
>Sounds about right. Curious how your shrink apparently isn't making
>detox the no.1 priority.
>
Me too. While you are in this physical and mental state nothing can be
done - you need to withdraw and achieve a stable and lucid mental state
first and foremost.

--
Jonathan Bratt

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In message <d8f201ea183b8d9199e5ae8b5f7720e8@news.teranews.com >,
Blue
> Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> writes
> >On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:26:02 -0500, The Other Harry
> ><hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
<snip> >
> >>Talk to the shrink(s). It needs to stop.
> >>
> >>I had not been drinking. I have been trying to quit again.
> >
> >Sounds about right. Curious how your shrink apparently isn't
making
> >detox the no.1 priority.
> >
> Me too. While you are in this physical and mental state nothing can
be
> done - you need to withdraw and achieve a stable and lucid mental
state
> first and foremost.
>
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

FWIW, I am not sure that Harry's shrink knows that he is an alcoholic:

Extract from: JB (JBCatRB@coldman.com) "The Other Harry"
<hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c610sv47vtm78uq68dvoilfhogmtdeke0r@4ax.com.. (23rd Nov 2003) .

> > LOL. Did you tell her that you are an alcoholic ? If not, was it
> > because you don't think you are ?
>
> I told her that. I may have said "drinking problem", but I told her
all about it. I told her about the deprivation seizure, the detox,
and all of it. I stated up front that was my reason for seeing her".

Extract from: The Other Harry (hc.me@ix.netcom.com): 26th Nov 2003
"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com wrote:
>
> I expect the reason why Nancy has told you to moderate your drinking
> rather than stop drinking altogether is because *you did not tell
her
> that you were an alcoholic*. I suspect that you have also not given
> her other such essential info about yourself that could help her
help
> you . I don't expect you ever will.

This is not correct. I have been being brutally honest with
her. Much as I have been here.

I don't see paying someone $106 per hour and then fooling around
with them. That would be stupid. (Not that drinking isn't)

Which is not to say that being honest is easy. For many of us,
the most difficult thing is to admit in public that we are
alcoholics. I tend to say "drinking problem", but I've got that
part pretty well covered.

(End of quotes)

FWIW, I don't think it's possible for any professional to give any
client the best advice they can if their clients withhold info that
the *professional* might think is relevant to their case.

Yours

JB

[The Other Harry]

[On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:11:55 -0000, "JB"
<JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:]

> FWIW, I am not sure that Harry's shrink knows that he is an alcoholic:

She sure as hell should.

> FWIW, I don't think it's possible for any professional to give any
> client the best advice they can if their clients withhold info that
> the *professional* might think is relevant to their case.

I have not been withholding anything. It's only been two
visits, but I have made an effort to tell her everything.

It crosses my mind that she may lack an appreciation for what
alcoholism is. It could also be that I present myself to her
as too neat and respectable. Who would ever think I have a
drinking problem? I have long since learned how to suppress
my outward symptoms. I'm good at that.

So, to her, it may only be just words.

I am about due to see her again. About an hour from now.

I am curious what the kiddies at UVa will say next week. One
thing I want from them is a physical exam. Not right there at
the time, but I want them to arrange it.

I'll see how their hearing is. At $200 an hour, it better be
pretty good.

[rosie read and post]

> I am about due to see her again. About an hour from now.
>
>

harry,
i hope that you will discuss with her your inability to stop
drinking, and ask the help that you need!

[JB]

"The Other Harry" <hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> [On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:11:55 -0000, "JB"
> <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:]
>
> > FWIW, I am not sure that Harry's shrink knows that he is an
alcoholic:
>
> She sure as hell should.

FWIW, my doctor didn't until I told him that I thought I probably was
one.

<snip>
>
> I am about due to see her again. About an hour from now.

FWIW, I hope that your visit will be of great benefit to you.

> I am curious what the kiddies at UVa will say next week. One
> thing I want from them is a physical exam. Not right there at
> the time, but I want them to arrange it.
>
> I'll see how their hearing is. At $200 an hour, it better be
> pretty good.

FWIW, I also hope that this visit will be of great benefit to you.

Yours

JB

[The Other Harry]

[On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:52:11 -0000, "JB"
<JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:]

> FWIW, my doctor didn't until I told him that I thought I probably was
> one. [an alcoholic]

I told her that while scheduling my first appointment, and
about every five minutes after that.

As I have said in other posts, I really don't see the point in
paying someone for help and then withholding information about
the problem(s) for which you are seeking help. I might have
done that when I was younger, but not anymore. I'm too damn
old for that now.

The fact that I have problems doesn't embarrass me. It makes
me no different than a lot of other people. If you get into
it, probably the majority of people have some sort of "issue".

>> I am about due to see her again. About an hour from now.
>
> FWIW, I hope that your visit will be of great benefit to you.

I think it was. She always gives me things to think about.

We are sort of coming around to a tentative diagnosis of
obsessive/compulsive. She is considering prescribing me a
drug called Anafranil.

I picked up a sheet on it at the pharmacy, but I need to read
up on it more. The internet is good for that. So far it
looks like it might be worth a try. One thing it does *not*
do is interfere with sleep -- that would be the last thing I
need, and many other med's do that.

So maybe. I am just very cautious about medications. But
that one looks okay so far. We'll see.

>> I am curious what the kiddies at UVa will say next week. One
>> thing I want from them is a physical exam. Not right there at
>> the time, but I want them to arrange it.
>>
>> I'll see how their hearing is. At $200 an hour, it better be
>> pretty good.
>
> FWIW, I also hope that this visit will be of great benefit to you.

One thing I'm pretty sure I will get out of the UVa visit is a
proctological exam. I know I need one, but it's a bit
difficult to look forward to some intern slipping on a latex
glove and then doing that.

I realize you females have your uncomfortable procedures too,
so I'm not expecting any sympathy.

This whole drinking thing is just very bad. It knows no
depths.

[rosie read and post]

>...................... Anafranil.
>
> I picked up a sheet on it at the pharmacy, but I need to read
> up on it more. The internet is good for that. So far it
> looks like it might be worth a try.


definitely NOT to be taken with alcohol.

[The Other Harry]

[On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:07:50 -0600, "rosie read and post"
<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:]

>>...................... Anafranil.
>>
>> I picked up a sheet on it at the pharmacy, but I need to read
>> up on it more. The internet is good for that. So far it
>> looks like it might be worth a try.
>
> definitely NOT to be taken with alcohol.

The sheet I picked up about it does not make this clear.

It does make clear that it (Anafranil) can make you drowsy, and that
you should discuss any alcohol use with your physician. I was
thinking that the two in combination could impair your motor skills
to the point to where maybe you shouldn't be operating a back-hoe.

Is there some other reason?

[rosie read and post]

> It does make clear that it (Anafranil) can make you drowsy, and
that
> you should discuss any alcohol use with your physician. I was
> thinking that the two in combination could impair your motor
skills
> to the point to where maybe you shouldn't be operating a back-hoe.
>
> Is there some other reason?
>

here are two:

1.there is ALWAYS concern that combining alcohol with a tricyclic
will alter the action of the medication.

2.increased liver complications.

(not to mention the motor skill compromise.)

[debs]

and a third.....there is no point in taking an anti-depressant if you are
going to use alcohol which makes you depressed in the first place.

--
You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland and I'll show you how deep the
rabbit hole goes

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > It does make clear that it (Anafranil) can make you drowsy, and
> that
> > you should discuss any alcohol use with your physician. I was
> > thinking that the two in combination could impair your motor
> skills
> > to the point to where maybe you shouldn't be operating a back-hoe.
> >
> > Is there some other reason?
> >
>
> here are two:
>
> 1.there is ALWAYS concern that combining alcohol with a tricyclic
> will alter the action of the medication.
>
> 2.increased liver complications.
>
> (not to mention the motor skill compromise.)
>
>

[The Other Harry]

[On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:17:32 GMT, "rosie read and post"
<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:]

> 2.increased liver complications.

I don't need any more of those. I worry that my liver may be going
out. I will have it checked at UVa. There is no chance that it
will win any awards.

But the Anaf does sound okay. I could use a little constipation.
The drowsiness also works. I need to be able to sleep. I'm not
worried about the lack of sexual function. (Depsite some previous
posts I've made.)

It is this other stuff. I *have* to be able to get thru a day
without booze and without crawling the walls.

I think the main thing for me will be getting back into a routine.
Get up, shower, shave, go to some some job, walk the dog, and things
like that. Stay away from the house and the bottle that might be
there.

Shrink #1 -- Nancy -- and I agree on this.

[debs]

"The Other Harry" <hc.me@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> [On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:17:32 GMT, "rosie read and post"
> <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:]
>
> > 2.increased liver complications.
>
> I don't need any more of those. I worry that my liver may be going
> out. I will have it checked at UVa. There is no chance that it
> will win any awards.
>
the liver does however have a remarkable capacity for recovery once the
alcohol is taken away.

debs

You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland and I'll show you how deep the
rabbit hole goes