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Blue Moon

11-29-2003, 01:06 PM

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:34:17 GMT, "KEN MACKILLOB"
<kenmac33@verizon.net> wrote:

>I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding it
>difficult to stop.
>I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
>
>I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I have a
>7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior. I
>truly want to stop.
>any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
>thanks, Ken

Suggest you go to the next available AA meeting, work the Steps, and
do a little something each day that is not self-centred.

--
Blue Moon

rosie read and post

11-29-2003, 01:52 PM

Robert McGregor

11-29-2003, 04:32 PM

"KEN MACKILLOB" <kenmac33@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tM4yb.20346$785.8820@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding it
> difficult to stop.
> I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
>
> I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I have
a
> 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior.
I
> truly want to stop.
> any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks, Ken
>

You could try this URL

Bob

http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm
"Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery:

1 We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become
unmanageable.
2 Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to
sanity.
3 Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as
we understood Him.
4 Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5 Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature
of our wrongs.
6 Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7 Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8 Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.
9 Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so
would injure them or others.
10 Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly
admitted it.
11 Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact
with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us
and the power to carry that out."

Jeff Cook

11-29-2003, 04:40 PM

I kinda concur with Blue Moon's suggestion.I'd also ask if ya wanna sop
drinking badly enough,------------to stop drinking?
Jeff
"KEN MACKILLOB" <kenmac33@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:tM4yb.20346$785.8820@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding it
> difficult to stop.
> I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
>
> I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I have
a
> 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior.
I
> truly want to stop.
> any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks, Ken
>
>

The Other Harry

11-29-2003, 05:15 PM

[On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:34:17 GMT, "KEN MACKILLOB"
<kenmac33@verizon.net> wrote:]

> I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding it
> difficult to stop.
> I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
>
> I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I have a
> 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior. I
> truly want to stop.
> any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks, Ken

I an not yet successful myself, so whether I should be giving
anyone else advice is questionable. I do it anyway.

-- The thing that has been the most helpful to me so far was
attending a detox program. I am fortunate to live in a county
where there is an excellent one week program. One week is
not really long enough for me, but it showed me a lot of the
basics.

-- AA works well for many people. The discipline of attending
an AA meeting each night also helped me.

-- Seeing a shrink. I am just starting on this, but I figure
it can't hurt.

-- Breaking out of the customary daily routine. I think part
of drinking (for me) is simply habit.

Good luck! Just in posting your message here, you have taken
a good first step.

Bobby L.

11-29-2003, 09:17 PM

Robert McGregor

11-29-2003, 09:34 PM

"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:pncyb.21911$u7.10332@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "KEN MACKILLOB" <kenmac33@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tM4yb.20346$785.8820@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding
it
> > difficult to stop.
> > I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
> >
> > I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I
have
> a
> > 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior.
> I
> > truly want to stop.
> > any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> > thanks, Ken
> >
> >
>
>
> What are you willing to do?
>
> Bobby L
>

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:koa6bTBd3Fy$Ewi0@aol.com...
>
> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?

Jonathan Bratt

11-30-2003, 04:48 AM

In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
>> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?

Robert - you forgot to post anything yourself in this contribution. What
was it you were going to say?
--
Jonathan Bratt

Robert McGregor

11-30-2003, 05:29 AM

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:PjmAZsXszby$EwGg@aol.com...
> In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
> >> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?
>
> Robert - you forgot to post anything yourself in this contribution. What
> was it you were going to say?
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Neither needing, let alone forgetting, to add anything at all, I did pause
for a second to wonder though. What would a non alcoholic like Jonathan want
to recover from? Heterophobia, or his dependence on happy pills? With
delusions such as those, I wouldn't bet on his chances of recovery anyway.

Bob

Jonathan Bratt

11-30-2003, 06:40 AM

In message <bqcgki$205p69$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:PjmAZsXszby$EwGg@aol.com...
>> In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
>> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> >> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
>> >> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?
>>
>> Robert - you forgot to post anything yourself in this contribution. What
>> was it you were going to say?
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>Neither needing, let alone forgetting, to add anything at all, I did pause
>for a second to wonder though. What would a non alcoholic like Jonathan want
>to recover from? Heterophobia, or his dependence on happy pills? With
>delusions such as those, I wouldn't bet on his chances of recovery anyway.

But I am an alcoholic. And I don't gamble on getting on with life - I
prefer simply to do it.
--
Jonathan Bratt

Robert McGregor

11-30-2003, 07:11 AM

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fXtEkWcDddy$Ewnv@aol.com...
> In message <bqcgki$205p69$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >
> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:PjmAZsXszby$EwGg@aol.com...
> >> In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> >> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >> >> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
> >> >> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?
> >>
> >> Robert - you forgot to post anything yourself in this contribution.
What
> >> was it you were going to say?
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Bratt
> >
> >Neither needing, let alone forgetting, to add anything at all, I did
pause
> >for a second to wonder though. What would a non alcoholic like Jonathan
want
> >to recover from? Heterophobia, or his dependence on happy pills? With
> >delusions such as those, I wouldn't bet on his chances of recovery
anyway.
>
> But I am an alcoholic. And I don't gamble on getting on with life - I
> prefer simply to do it.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

http://silkworth.net/bb/thereisasolution.html
" Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they
have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.
Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit
badly enough to gradually impair

him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before his
time. If a sufficiently strong reason-ill health, falling in love, change of
environment, or the warning of a doctor-becomes operative, this man can also
stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may
even need medical attention. "

Bobby L.

11-30-2003, 08:34 AM

Might a take a moment to remind the two of you this thread is "not about
you."

Bobby L

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bqcmk4$20g5sm$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:fXtEkWcDddy$Ewnv@aol.com...
> > In message <bqcgki$205p69$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> > McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> > >
> > >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:PjmAZsXszby$EwGg@aol.com...
> > >> In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> > >> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> > >> >> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during
full
> > >> >> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?
> > >>
> > >> Robert - you forgot to post anything yourself in this contribution.
> What
> > >> was it you were going to say?
> > >> --
> > >> Jonathan Bratt
> > >
> > >Neither needing, let alone forgetting, to add anything at all, I did
> pause
> > >for a second to wonder though. What would a non alcoholic like Jonathan
> want
> > >to recover from? Heterophobia, or his dependence on happy pills? With
> > >delusions such as those, I wouldn't bet on his chances of recovery
> anyway.
> >
> > But I am an alcoholic. And I don't gamble on getting on with life - I
> > prefer simply to do it.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
> http://silkworth.net/bb/thereisasolution.html
> " Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if
they
> have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.
> Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit
> badly enough to gradually impair
>
> him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before
his
> time. If a sufficiently strong reason-ill health, falling in love, change
of
> environment, or the warning of a doctor-becomes operative, this man can
also
> stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and
may
> even need medical attention. "
>
>
>
>

Robert McGregor

11-30-2003, 08:59 AM

"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:dimyb.28812$u7.17730@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
> Might a take a moment to remind the two of you this thread is "not about
> you."
>
> Bobby L

Find it hard to imagine you cohorting with rosie, sniping from the cover of
a killfile? Shit eh, a top posting Usenet cop!!!! What's the world coming
to?

Bob

Bobby L.

11-30-2003, 09:08 AM

wasn't a exhortation... just a reminder as you two bandy about.

Bobby L

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bqcsv2$1vfvpd$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:dimyb.28812$u7.17730@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
> > Might a take a moment to remind the two of you this thread is "not about
> > you."
> >
> > Bobby L
>
>
> Find it hard to imagine you cohorting with rosie, sniping from the cover
of
> a killfile? Shit eh, a top posting Usenet cop!!!! What's the world coming
> to?
>
>
> Bob
>
>

Robert McGregor

11-30-2003, 09:29 AM

Welcome to the bandy, Bobby

Bob
"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:rNmyb.29170$u7.2606@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> wasn't a exhortation... just a reminder as you two bandy about.
>
> Bobby L
>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bqcsv2$1vfvpd$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:dimyb.28812$u7.17730@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
> > > Might a take a moment to remind the two of you this thread is "not
about
> > > you."
> > >
> > > Bobby L
> >
> >
> > Find it hard to imagine you cohorting with rosie, sniping from the cover
> of
> > a killfile? Shit eh, a top posting Usenet cop!!!! What's the world
coming
> > to?
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
>

Blue Moon

11-30-2003, 12:37 PM

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:34:56 -0500, "Bobby L."
<BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Might a take a moment to remind the two of you this thread is "not about
>you."

Curious timing, Bobby! Ignoring any personality conflicts, Robert's
post which you responded to was entirely relevant in the exploration
of one's alcoholism, and apparently is not about Robert at all.

>"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:bqcmk4$20g5sm$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...

>> http://silkworth.net/bb/thereisasolution.html
>> " Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if
>> they have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.
>> Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit
>> badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may
>> cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently strong
>> reason-ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the warning
>> of a doctor-becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate,
>> although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need
>> medical attention. "

--
Blue Moon

MYOB

11-30-2003, 01:52 PM

Jonathan Bratt <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in news:PjmAZsXszby$EwGg@aol.com:

> In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>>> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
>>> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?

Keep coming back Jonathan.

MYOB

11-30-2003, 01:55 PM

"Bobby L." <BobbyL2000nospam@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:rNmyb.29170$u7.2606@bignews2.bellsouth.net:

> wasn't a exhortation... just a reminder as you two bandy about.
>
> Bobby L

Just a reminder that top posting is in poor taste.

Jonathan Bratt

11-30-2003, 07:28 PM

In message <bqcmk4$20g5sm$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes

Merely reposting other people's quotes is so utterly dull. If you have
something to say - say it. Otherwise you appear merely as a plagiarist.
--
Jonathan Bratt

Jonathan Bratt

11-30-2003, 07:30 PM

In message <Xns94438D3262DA4myobhotmailcom@216.168.3.44>, MYOB
<myob@hotmail.com> writes
>Jonathan Bratt <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in news:PjmAZsXszby$EwGg@aol.com:
>
>> In message <bqbkq1$20bkrn$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
>> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>>>> Any lengths? Sacrificing a couple of 13 year old virgins during full
>>>> moon? Cutting off one's ears whilst incanting? Where does it stop?
>
>
>Keep coming back Jonathan.

As soon as I have sown my ears back on - damn that wormwood!
--
Jonathan Bratt

KevinB

11-30-2003, 07:47 PM

Ken,

I just saw your message and can relate to everything you wrote. I've been sober
for 8 week, after 34 years of heavy drinking. When I finally decided it was time
to quit I was jobless on the verge of having my wife ask me to leave and a
physical and mental mess.

I laid on the downstairs sofa one morning at 4:30 am after drinking a fifth of
PA (190 proof) and two fifths of Smirnoff's in a four day period. I cried my
heart out and begged God to kill me, he didn't! Instead at noon that day I
checked myself into a detox center and spent 5 days there, when I called my wife
to tell her where I was she cried and thanked me.

The day I was released I went directly to church and cried and prayed, then I
went to an A.A. meeting and got a sponsor.
These last 8 weeks have been the best of my life and I happy as hell to be
sober, I guess I really did forget what it was like.

BTW:

We're still married and once again a happy couple and my daughter calls me
'Daddy' again.

Go to A.A.
Read the Big Book
and
Don't drink.

God will give you the power to do it if you really want it and ask him

God Bless,
Kevin

KEN MACKILLOB wrote:

> I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding it
> difficult to stop.
> I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
>
> I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I have a
> 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior. I
> truly want to stop.
> any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> thanks, Ken

Robert McGregor

12-01-2003, 06:15 AM

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:nlkq4wAnsoy$EwTe@aol.com...
> In message <bqcmk4$20g5sm$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de>, Robert
> McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>
> Merely reposting other people's quotes is so utterly dull. If you have
> something to say - say it. Otherwise you appear merely as a plagiarist.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--Albert Einstein "

rosie read and post

12-01-2003, 08:21 AM

congrats to you kevin and thanks for sharing!
stick around!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

"if the only prayer you say in your whole life is 'thank you,'
that would suffice."
................................................m eckhart, 1260-1328

"KevinB" <bovi999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FCA90E1.39481015@hotmail.com...
> Ken,
>
> I just saw your message and can relate to everything you wrote.
I've been sober
> for 8 week, after 34 years of heavy drinking. When I finally
decided it was time
> to quit I was jobless on the verge of having my wife ask me to
leave and a
> physical and mental mess.
>
> I laid on the downstairs sofa one morning at 4:30 am after
drinking a fifth of
> PA (190 proof) and two fifths of Smirnoff's in a four day period.
I cried my
> heart out and begged God to kill me, he didn't! Instead at noon
that day I
> checked myself into a detox center and spent 5 days there, when I
called my wife
> to tell her where I was she cried and thanked me.
>
> The day I was released I went directly to church and cried and
prayed, then I
> went to an A.A. meeting and got a sponsor.
> These last 8 weeks have been the best of my life and I happy as
hell to be
> sober, I guess I really did forget what it was like.
>
> BTW:
>
> We're still married and once again a happy couple and my daughter
calls me
> 'Daddy' again.
>
> Go to A.A.
> Read the Big Book
> and
> Don't drink.
>
> God will give you the power to do it if you really want it and ask
him
>
> God Bless,
> Kevin
>
> KEN MACKILLOB wrote:
>
> > I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am
finding it
> > difficult to stop.
> > I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
> >
> > I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce
and I have a
> > 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish
behavior. I
> > truly want to stop.
> > any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> > thanks, Ken
>

debs

12-01-2003, 10:18 AM

well done

debs

--
You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland and I'll show you how deep the
rabbit hole goes

"KevinB" <bovi999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FCA90E1.39481015@hotmail.com...
> Ken,
>
> I just saw your message and can relate to everything you wrote. I've been
sober
> for 8 week, after 34 years of heavy drinking. When I finally decided it
was time
> to quit I was jobless on the verge of having my wife ask me to leave and a
> physical and mental mess.
>
> I laid on the downstairs sofa one morning at 4:30 am after drinking a
fifth of
> PA (190 proof) and two fifths of Smirnoff's in a four day period. I cried
my
> heart out and begged God to kill me, he didn't! Instead at noon that day I
> checked myself into a detox center and spent 5 days there, when I called
my wife
> to tell her where I was she cried and thanked me.
>
> The day I was released I went directly to church and cried and prayed,
then I
> went to an A.A. meeting and got a sponsor.
> These last 8 weeks have been the best of my life and I happy as hell to
be
> sober, I guess I really did forget what it was like.
>
> BTW:
>
> We're still married and once again a happy couple and my daughter calls me
> 'Daddy' again.
>
> Go to A.A.
> Read the Big Book
> and
> Don't drink.
>
> God will give you the power to do it if you really want it and ask him
>
> God Bless,
> Kevin
>
> KEN MACKILLOB wrote:
>
> > I'm new to this group and i really want to stop drinking but am finding
it
> > difficult to stop.
> > I drink beer nightly, 8 to 12 cans.
> >
> > I get angry very quickly these days, on the verge of a divorce and I
have a
> > 7 mo old new baby. everyone's suffering due to my own selfish behavior.
I
> > truly want to stop.
> > any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> > thanks, Ken
>

George &The Dragon

12-01-2003, 11:48 AM

> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
> --Albert Einstein "

Plagiarism is copying from one source.
Research is copying from two.
:-)

George

& the Dragon

rosie read and post

12-01-2003, 12:14 PM

:)

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

"if the only prayer you say in your whole life is 'thank you,'
that would suffice."
................................................m eckhart, 1260-1328
http://www.moveon.org/

"George &The Dragon" <george@dragon.ca> wrote in message
news:zhKyb.3916$zf2.490396@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
> > --Albert Einstein "
>
> Plagiarism is copying from one source.
> Research is copying from two.
> :-)
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> & the Dragon
>
>