Solve the "We" and "You" stuff for ever!

[Robert McGregor]

By speaking for, and registering, *us* as an AA group. Wouldn't that be a
hoot!

Bob;-)
------------------------------------

Hello, and welcome to the registration process for the Online Service
Conference. Other mailings (more than you probably want to read) will
provide you with extensive background information on the Conference when
your address moves to that list. We are really glad to welcome your group to
the online general service structure.
For now, we need some information to get your group registered for the
conference. Please fill in the items below as completely as possible, where
indicated after the marks /// (use the next line if needed)
When complete, send to the addresses indicated below. You will know your
group is properly registered for the conference in a few days when you
receive an automated yahoogroups notice that you have been added to the new
site, plus several informational mailings from the conference files, sent
from the conference website. If you have any registration questions, please
contact
http://www.aa-intergroup.org/

1. Name of group ///
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OSC? (yes,no?)///
3. Does the group wish to participate in the next conference?(yes/no)///
4.. Group email address (preferably more or less permanent, if available)///
5. Name and email address of OGR/GSR who will represent the group///
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OSC site?(yes,no) ///
---------------
Please be aware that the Steering committee has not yet finalised the agenda
for OSC-3 ... so there will be some delay before your information is added
to the listing.
Your application will, nevertheless, be processed and you will receive the
initial "package" of pre-conference documentation ASAP.
Yours in Service
aye
Ewart

[Xanadu]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:49:08 +1000, Robert McGregor wrote:

> By speaking for, and registering, *us* as an AA group. Wouldn't that be
> a hoot!


No, actually that would probably piss a fair amount of people off. AA
isn't for everyone. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for whatever helps us
drunks. For some people, AA is a God send, for some it's hell. We all
may have the same affliction, but we all vary in our needs for salvation.

Rosie is hell bent on AA, others are just as hellbent against it.
Personally I'm somewhere in the middle. *I* need to keep myself dry and
workout *my* issues. Giving up *myself* and trusting some phantom "Higher
Power" to do it/help with it, is just not my idea of help. It's works
from some, some detest it, again, I'm somewhere in between.

*I* need to do this, but I also can admit that I do need help.
"Conjuring" some apparition that is is supposed to help just doesn't give
much confidence to me...


(Again, I'm *NOT* downing AA, nor am I downing the people against it, I'm
just giving my 2 cents)

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:15:44 -0500, Xanadu <xanadu@inorbit.com> wrote:

>*I* need to keep myself dry and
>workout *my* issues. Giving up *myself* and trusting some phantom "Higher
>Power" to do it/help with it, is just not my idea of help.

Who said you have to give up yourself?

--
Blue Moon

[rosie read and post]

> Rosie is hell bent on AA,


LOL!
i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
is not for everyone.

[Moonraker]

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4X1yb.88194$Eq1.21165@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > Rosie is hell bent on AA,
>
>
> LOL!
> i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
> is not for everyone.
>
>

So, just "who" are those that AA is "not" for?

I defy you to show me one person that is worse off for having honestly done
the 12 steps of AA.

[MYOB]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:O52yb.20839$W7.17427@bignews1.bellsouth.net:

>
> "rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4X1yb.88194$Eq1.21165@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> > Rosie is hell bent on AA,
>>
>>
>> LOL!
>> i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
>> is not for everyone.
>>
>>
>
> So, just "who" are those that AA is "not" for?
>
> I defy you to show me one person that is worse off for having honestly
> done the 12 steps of AA.
>
>
>

Would'nt it be a great world if everyone who claims to be "in" AA really
worked the twelve steps like they say they are?

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <O52yb.20839$W7.17427@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Moonraker
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4X1yb.88194$Eq1.21165@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> > Rosie is hell bent on AA,
>>
>>
>> LOL!
>> i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
>> is not for everyone.
>>
>>
>
>So, just "who" are those that AA is "not" for?
>
>I defy you to show me one person that is worse off for having honestly done
>the 12 steps of AA.
>
>
I fail to see that you have gained much from it - or were you even more
of a bastard before you did them?
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Gail]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:O52yb.20839$W7.17427@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4X1yb.88194$Eq1.21165@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > > Rosie is hell bent on AA,
> >
> >
> > LOL!
> > i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
> > is not for everyone.
> >
> >
>
> So, just "who" are those that AA is "not" for?
>
> I defy you to show me one person that is worse off for having honestly
done
> the 12 steps of AA.
>
>

Hey Moonraker. I owe you an apology, too. I am sorry.

Happy Holidays!

Gail

[Moonraker]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:+h5spvFRiNy$EwAY@aol.com...
> In message <O52yb.20839$W7.17427@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Moonraker
> <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
> >
> >"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:4X1yb.88194$Eq1.21165@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>
> >> > Rosie is hell bent on AA,
> >>
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >> i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
> >> is not for everyone.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So, just "who" are those that AA is "not" for?
> >
> >I defy you to show me one person that is worse off for having honestly
done
> >the 12 steps of AA.
> >
> >
> I fail to see that you have gained much from it - or were you even more
> of a bastard before you did them?
> --
> Jonathan Bratt


Don't you have some fudge to pack?

[Moonraker]

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vshn2n1n232542@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey Moonraker. I owe you an apology, too. I am sorry.
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> Gail
>
Ah, those imagined resentments that we think others hold against us.
Sweetie, you've never done anything to offend me in the slightest, so,
while you feel the need to apologize (and, it's accepted in the spirit
offered), it's not necessary. I'm just glad to see you back.

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <Ni5yb.21172$W7.20149@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Moonraker
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:+h5spvFRiNy$EwAY@aol.com...
>> In message <O52yb.20839$W7.17427@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Moonraker
>> <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>> >
>> >"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4X1yb.88194$Eq1.21165@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>
>> >> > Rosie is hell bent on AA,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> LOL!
>> >> i KNOW that AA works for me in my recovery, but i also know that AA
>> >> is not for everyone.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >So, just "who" are those that AA is "not" for?
>> >
>> >I defy you to show me one person that is worse off for having honestly
>done
>> >the 12 steps of AA.
>> >
>> >
>> I fail to see that you have gained much from it - or were you even more
>> of a bastard before you did them?
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>
>Don't you have some fudge to pack?
>
>
I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to see
that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you whatsoever.
No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.

Just stick to your KKK meetings.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Moonraker]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:HfvCGGLLxQy$Ew0s@aol.com...
..
> No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
>
> Just stick to your KKK meetings.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Ah, the non-alcoholic faggot spews forth some more of his lithium induced
"thinking".

No-one in their right mind would confuse their asshole with a sex organ.

[rosie read and post]

> I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
see
> that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
whatsoever.
> No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
>
> Just stick to your KKK meetings.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt





jonathan, (and anyone else)
PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
displaying is anything but recovery.

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> > I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
> see
> > that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
> whatsoever.
> > No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
> >
> > Just stick to your KKK meetings.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
>
>
>
>
> jonathan, (and anyone else)
> PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> displaying is anything but recovery.
>
>
"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> i will never be recovered..............................

[JB]

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> > I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
> see
> > that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
> whatsoever.
> > No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
> >
> > Just stick to your KKK meetings.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
>
>
>
>
> jonathan, (and anyone else)
> PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> displaying is anything but recovery.

I always thought that the AA program was the Twelve Steps. If that is
not the case, what is the program ?

JB


>
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:bqb9i1$jse$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > > I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
> > see
> > > that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
> > whatsoever.
> > > No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
> > >
> > > Just stick to your KKK meetings.
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Bratt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jonathan, (and anyone else)
> > PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> > STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> > displaying is anything but recovery.
>
> I always thought that the AA program was the Twelve Steps. If that is
> not the case, what is the program ?
>
> JB
>
From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>

actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term experience with
the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
i have however had to take several different meds as each once finally
"wears
out" and i need to change.

"rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
<uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>

>if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would like to read
>about it!

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <Vx8yb.22435$W7.14172@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, Moonraker
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:HfvCGGLLxQy$Ew0s@aol.com...
>.
>> No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
>>
>> Just stick to your KKK meetings.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>Ah, the non-alcoholic faggot spews forth some more of his lithium induced
>"thinking".
>
>No-one in their right mind would confuse their asshole with a sex organ.
>
>
>
Guess you don't have oral sex or masturbation since neither the hand nor
the mouth are sex organs?

--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read and
post <readandpost@yahoo.com> writes
>
>
>> I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
>see
>> that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
>whatsoever.
>> No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
>>
>> Just stick to your KKK meetings.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>
>
>
>
>jonathan, (and anyone else)
>PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
>STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
>displaying is anything but recovery.

I don't. IMO Moonshine is a (very) common or garden wet drunk.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Moonraker]

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> jonathan, (and anyone else)
> PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> displaying is anything but recovery.
>

What is it that YOU display, Rosemary?

Is lying, misrepresentation of one's "credentials" , snipping posts to twist
meanings to suit your purposes, calling people malcontents, popping pills,
lying, being consescending and arrogant, did I mention lying, and being a
major pain in the ass part of YOUR program? Did I mention lying?

[JB]

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
<snip>

> jonathan, (and anyone else)
> PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> displaying is anything but recovery.
>
I would like to know what 'recovery' means to you.

JB

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qa4Z3LUXvSy$EwRt@aol.com...
> In message <Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
and
> post <readandpost@yahoo.com> writes

> >jonathan, (and anyone else)
> >PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> >STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> >displaying is anything but recovery.
>
> I don't. IMO Moonshine is a (very) common or garden wet drunk.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

From: Jonathan Bratt (jonnybratt@aol.com) (23rd Nov 2003) In message
<9d71c984948cb420c9ef5e890c0a0f69@news.teranews.com >, Blue
Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> writes On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:09:49 +0000,
Jonathan Bratt jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>McGoogle, Moonshine, Shyster.
>
>Jonathan,
>
>Given that you object so strongly to others calling names, I am very
>curious why you feel there is ANY justification in indulging the
>practice yourself?
>
It was retaliation - and I thought humourously. You are of course
right
however and I will not be using these names again.
--
Jonathan Bratt

LOL

JB.

[Gail]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:am5yb.21190$W7.16868@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vshn2n1n232542@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hey Moonraker. I owe you an apology, too. I am sorry.
> >
> > Happy Holidays!
> >
> > Gail
> >
> Ah, those imagined resentments that we think others hold against us.
> Sweetie, you've never done anything to offend me in the slightest, so,
> while you feel the need to apologize (and, it's accepted in the spirit
> offered), it's not necessary. I'm just glad to see you back.
>
>

Thank you, Moonraker.
I could have sworn you were at the hospital, along with a few others...LOL I
think my life flashed in front of me the whole time I was there.
Take care,
Gail

[Blue Moon]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:49:29 GMT, "rosie read and post"
<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
>see
>> that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
>whatsoever.
>> No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
>>
>> Just stick to your KKK meetings.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt

>jonathan, (and anyone else)
>PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
>STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
>displaying is anything but recovery.

Geez, I don't even have to say anything at all, and Rosie still gets
her knives out.

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1684ca94efd9fb6b0a4e000ac145cdf@news.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:49:29 GMT, "rosie read and post"
> <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> I guess you were a bastard before and a bastard after. I fail to
> >see
> >> that 'working the steps' has proved of any benefit to you
> >whatsoever.
> >> No-one in their right mind would 'want what you have'.
> >>
> >> Just stick to your KKK meetings.
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Bratt
>
> >jonathan, (and anyone else)
> >PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> >STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> >displaying is anything but recovery.
>
> Geez, I don't even have to say anything at all, and Rosie still gets
> her knives out.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

You are the pilot of the black helicopter though, aren't you?

Bob

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Gz9Ct6WBvby$EwG5@aol.com...
> In message <bqbfhf$ehf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
<JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> writes

> >It was retaliation - and I thought humourously. You are of course
> >right
> >however and I will not be using these names again.
>
> I changed my mind.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Thought so (<g>)

How's it going ? Has the sale of your old flat gone through ?.

JB

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bqbfhf$ehf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:qa4Z3LUXvSy$EwRt@aol.com...
>> In message <Zn9yb.73118$Vu6.59804@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
>and
>> post <readandpost@yahoo.com> writes
>
>> >jonathan, (and anyone else)
>> >PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
>> >STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
>> >displaying is anything but recovery.
>>
>> I don't. IMO Moonshine is a (very) common or garden wet drunk.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>From: Jonathan Bratt (jonnybratt@aol.com) (23rd Nov 2003) In message
><9d71c984948cb420c9ef5e890c0a0f69@news.teranews.com >, Blue
>Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> writes On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:09:49 +0000,
>Jonathan Bratt jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>McGoogle, Moonshine, Shyster.
>>
>>Jonathan,
>>
>>Given that you object so strongly to others calling names, I am very
>>curious why you feel there is ANY justification in indulging the
>>practice yourself?
>>
>It was retaliation - and I thought humourously. You are of course
>right
>however and I will not be using these names again.

I changed my mind.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bqcem4$3lb$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:Gz9Ct6WBvby$EwG5@aol.com...
>> In message <bqbfhf$ehf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
><JBCatRB@coldman.com>
>> writes
>
>> >It was retaliation - and I thought humourously. You are of course
>> >right
>> >however and I will not be using these names again.
>>
>> I changed my mind.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>Thought so (<g>)
>
>How's it going ? Has the sale of your old flat gone through ?.

Yes thank god - only when I took back control from the professionals
however....

Have found s flatmate and we start looking for somewhere in the centre
of town in the New Year - can't wait! Things progressing well with you?
--
Jonathan Bratt

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Gn6CYnZcYcy$EwXc@aol.com...
> In message <bqcem4$3lb$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
<JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> writes
> >
> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:Gz9Ct6WBvby$EwG5@aol.com...
> >> In message <bqbfhf$ehf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
> ><JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> >> writes
> >
> >> >It was retaliation - and I thought humourously. You are of
course
> >> >right
> >> >however and I will not be using these names again.
> >>
> >> I changed my mind.
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Bratt
> >
> >Thought so (<g>)
> >
> >How's it going ? Has the sale of your old flat gone through ?.
>
> Yes thank god - only when I took back control from the professionals
> however....
>
> Have found s flatmate and we start looking for somewhere in the
centre
> of town in the New Year - can't wait! Things progressing well with
you?
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

My view may differ from other people's. FWIW, I see changes in me
that I know are changes for the better. However today I am troubled
and on edge. When like this in the past I could have thought about
my troubles for hours, worked myself up into a worse state because of
doing so and eventually, may have drunk to drown my feelings of
sorrow, anger and frustration. Today, I plan to put some effort into
doing things that will quickly restore quiet to my mind. This will
happen because I want it badly enough to make it happen. I see my
change of attitude and behaviour in these circumstances evidence of me
having changed for the better.

FWIW, I've found writing this helpful. Thank you.

Yours in friendship

JB

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bqcki0$h1u$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>My view may differ from other people's. FWIW, I see changes in me
>that I know are changes for the better. However today I am troubled
>and on edge. When like this in the past I could have thought about my
>troubles for hours, worked myself up into a worse state because of
>doing so and eventually, may have drunk to drown my feelings of sorrow,
>anger and frustration. Today, I plan to put some effort into doing
>things that will quickly restore quiet to my mind. This will happen
>because I want it badly enough to make it happen. I see my change of
>attitude and behaviour in these circumstances evidence of me having
>changed for the better.
>
>FWIW, I've found writing this helpful. Thank you.

Nervous energy can be very destructive - if you can channel it
creatively, you're on a winner. I'm glad you're seeing changes for the
better - long may they continue!
--
Jonathan Bratt

[JB]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In message <bqcki0$h1u$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
<JBCatRB@coldman.com>
<snip>

> Nervous energy can be very destructive - if you can channel it
> creatively, you're on a winner. I'm glad you're seeing changes for
the
> better - long may they continue!
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Thank you.

Best wishes

JB

[JB]

"rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> jonathan, (and anyone else)
> PLEASE do not judge the effectiveness of the AA program and the 12
> STEPS by BM, and his cohorts.......................what they are
> displaying is anything but recovery.

PS: What follows if further to my asking what recovery means to you.

FWIW, I have no reason to believe that you do not have a ceritficate
from theWisconsin Certification Board saying that you have passed one
of their courses in drug/alcohol counselling. I therefore think that
you will have be trained to understand what recovery is about.

Furthermore, I know that within the last year you have claimed to be
practicing as a drugs/alcohol counsellor. I am therefore wondering
how you measure your clients' progress.

In the circusmtances, I hope you will chose to say what you mean by
recovery.

Yours

JB

[Moonraker]

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thank you, Moonraker.
> I could have sworn you were at the hospital, along with a few others...LOL
I
> think my life flashed in front of me the whole time I was there.
> Take care,
> Gail
>
>


Yeah...that was me, giving you the sponge bath. :>)

[Gail]

"Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vsj4okfciqcu2d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Thank you, Moonraker.
> > I could have sworn you were at the hospital, along with a few
others...LOL
> I
> > think my life flashed in front of me the whole time I was there.
> > Take care,
> > Gail
> >
> >
>
>
> Yeah...that was me, giving you the sponge bath. :>)
>
>
I probably had one, too. I just have a hard time remembering whether I did
or not. I could have sworn Robert and Blue were there, too. Along with
Tispe, and there was a counselor there by the name of Rose Shaw and I wanted
to meet her and she was off. Catchy name? No, I ain't paranoid now..LOL
Take care,
Gail

[rosie read and post]

>.................. there was a counselor there by the name of Rose
Shaw and I wanted
> to meet her and she was off. Catchy name? No, I ain't paranoid
now..LOL
> Take care,
> Gail
>
>

oy vay!
:)