Re: Can someone help me?

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:22:06 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>................."if it works, don't change it" and it seems to be working!

I'll never argue with that.

Unfortunately, it's missing a bit, isn't it? There's often an
implication (or even direct statement) that "if it don't work, keep
trying until it does".

Curious how in AA people say "keep coming back", then go on to define
insanity as being "doing the same thing over and over, expecting
different results".

--
Blue Moon

[debs]

Sometimes its not the system that needs changing but our attitude towards
it.

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9e61f1e7b9d61246f9b781ed731b64bf@free.teranew s.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:22:06 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
> <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >................."if it works, don't change it" and it seems to be
working!
>
> I'll never argue with that.
>
> Unfortunately, it's missing a bit, isn't it? There's often an
> implication (or even direct statement) that "if it don't work, keep
> trying until it does".
>
> Curious how in AA people say "keep coming back", then go on to define
> insanity as being "doing the same thing over and over, expecting
> different results".
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[debs]

As predicted..........

you ignored the main point of the posting and twisted the bit you could see
as the most likely to cause an argument.

You live a very sad life. I'm not even going to justify what I said with an
answer to you. Could I suggest that you get out more and start enjoying
your sobriety???

debs

--
Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bdjohm$tik45$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de...
> Really? Recovery from alcoholism? Where are they? What type/s of
alcoholism?
> How can you say they are "very good"?
>
> Bob
>
>

[Blue Moon]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
<debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:

>I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
>shallow attitude towards life.

Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
surely gets lost.

So no, I'm not sitting here with a shallow attitude towards life. I'm
sitting here wanting others to be able to FIND a life that I know (but
they often don't) is available to them despite years of active
alcoholism, but which gets sadly masked by all the bullshit one
hears/reads.

So when you think I may be being selfish by pulling someone else up on
issues not relating to alcoholism, why not just sit and think a moment
.... which of us is REALLY back in self?

--
Blue Moon

[debs]

Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an AA newsgroup. I
though people posted in here with alcohol problems and maybe other issues
that may be making it difficult to either get or stay sober.
I though that the purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!



--
Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
> >shallow attitude towards life.
>
> Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> surely gets lost.
>
> So no, I'm not sitting here with a shallow attitude towards life. I'm
> sitting here wanting others to be able to FIND a life that I know (but
> they often don't) is available to them despite years of active
> alcoholism, but which gets sadly masked by all the bullshit one
> hears/reads.
>
> So when you think I may be being selfish by pulling someone else up on
> issues not relating to alcoholism, why not just sit and think a moment
> ... which of us is REALLY back in self?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[My Name]

"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:bdm8pf$rl6$1@sparta.btinternet.com:

> Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an
> AA newsgroup. I though people posted in here with alcohol
> problems and maybe other issues that may be making it
> difficult to either get or stay sober. I though that the
> purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
> support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, I wish you would've included a winky ;)
so I'd know fer sure you're being sarcastic.
Do continue to post your helpful info if you'd like to.
--
You know that some people are different.Now ain't that a crying
shame.Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.Savoy
Brown

[rosie readandpost]

deb,
this is NOT just a group of AA members.
you have every right to be here.
just keep posting!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

bitterness imprisons life; love releases it.
...................... harry emerson fosdick



"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:bdm8pf$rl6$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an AA newsgroup. I
> though people posted in here with alcohol problems and maybe other issues
> that may be making it difficult to either get or stay sober.
> I though that the purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
> support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> --
> Illegitimi non Carborundum
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> > <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
> > >shallow attitude towards life.
> >
> > Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> > end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> > in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> > politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> > Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> > Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> > important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> > to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> > to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> > people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> > discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> > applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> > alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> > politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> > ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> > surely gets lost.
> >
> > So no, I'm not sitting here with a shallow attitude towards life. I'm
> > sitting here wanting others to be able to FIND a life that I know (but
> > they often don't) is available to them despite years of active
> > alcoholism, but which gets sadly masked by all the bullshit one
> > hears/reads.
> >
> > So when you think I may be being selfish by pulling someone else up on
> > issues not relating to alcoholism, why not just sit and think a moment
> > ... which of us is REALLY back in self?
> >
> > --
> > Blue Moon
>
>

[debs]

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

That's me, as usual, everything in excess

debs

--
Illegitimi non Carborundum
"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A9592BA74F1MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> "debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:bdm8pf$rl6$1@sparta.btinternet.com:
>
> > Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an
> > AA newsgroup. I though people posted in here with alcohol
> > problems and maybe other issues that may be making it
> > difficult to either get or stay sober. I though that the
> > purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
> > support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Damn, I wish you would've included a winky ;)
> so I'd know fer sure you're being sarcastic.
> Do continue to post your helpful info if you'd like to.
> --
> You know that some people are different.Now ain't that a crying
> shame.Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.Savoy
> Brown

[catsruleok]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
> >shallow attitude towards life.
>
> Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> surely gets lost.

<snip>

> Blue Moon


To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this group finds themselves in a
situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have caused them to turn to
drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know about it. At such times,
their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by confiding in us and getting back
support and encouragement, they might get through this period without drinking. Some of my posts
and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in this way. I hope it will
continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.

JB.

[debs]

I agree to a certain extent. But I don't think this would be a very
exciting or informative newsgroup if we strictly stuck to alcohol issues and
nothing else.

we could all sign in and say how many days we have been sober......if we
have been tempted to drink that day and how glad we are to be sober and that
would be it. Gee if that happens I will stick to talking to the wall.

We are all products of our past lives and sometimes we carry things over
which make it difficult to remain sober, but it is nice to be able to get
some support here as there is nearly always someone here who has been
through similar things and can maybe give us a few good pointers to coping
mechanisms.

For those of you who don't mind my posts then of course I am sticking around
(I'm not going to throw my rattle out of my pram just because of one person)
And for those of you who don't like my posts>

>


>


>

tough shit.

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:bdmq9d$ef9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> > <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a
very
> > >shallow attitude towards life.
> >
> > Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> > end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> > in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> > politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> > Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> > Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> > important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> > to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> > to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> > people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> > discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> > applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> > alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> > politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> > ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> > surely gets lost.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Blue Moon
>
>
> To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this
group finds themselves in a
> situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have
caused them to turn to
> drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know
about it. At such times,
> their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by
confiding in us and getting back
> support and encouragement, they might get through this period without
drinking. Some of my posts
> and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in
this way. I hope it will
> continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.
>
> JB.
>
>

[rosie readandpost]

> And for those of you who don't like my posts>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
> tough shit.
>
> debs
>
>

:)

[Blue Moon]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:42:24 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
<debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an AA newsgroup.

You know it's not, so why the attempt at baiting?

> I though people posted in here with alcohol problems and maybe other issues
>that may be making it difficult to either get or stay sober.
>I though that the purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
>support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suggest a read of the newsgroup title ... alt. *recovery*.
addiction. *alcoholism*

So it's for support to learn about alcoholism, and recover. It's not
for support and recovery from any other condition, or for support on
politics etc.

That most people who contribute don't even comprehend what alcoholism
actually IS, it should certainly not be considered an exclusive
support resource for anyone needing to recover from that condition.

--
Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:15:18 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>deb,
>this is NOT just a group of AA members.
>you have every right to be here.

Sure she has every right to be here. Others also have every right to
point out bullshit when it's on display.

--
Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:21 +0100, "catsruleok"
<catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this group finds themselves in a
>situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have caused them to turn to
>drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know about it. At such times,
>their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by confiding in us and getting back
>support and encouragement, they might get through this period without drinking. Some of my posts
>and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in this way. I hope it will
>continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.

Certainly. But people ought to realise there's a reasonable limit on
discussion of off-topic material. Where do the alcoholics go if all
they find is an alcoholism newsgroup discussing nothing but stuff like
manic depression - conditions about which they, as alcoholics, cannot
identify?

--
Blue Moon

[rosie readandpost]

> Sure she has every right to be here. Others also have every right to
> point out bullshit when it's on display.
>
> --
> Blue Moon





BM,
have you listened to yourself lately?

[rosie readandpost]

for some of us treatment of a person's mental illness is part of that recovery,from alcoholism that we talk about in
this newsgroup.
i haven't read a post in here that indicates that those who suffer from a mental illness are not seeing a doctor, where
they are diagnosed and being treated.

BM, have you listened to yourself lately?

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

bitterness imprisons life; love releases it.
...................... harry emerson fosdick



"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:b84477d84c32905a9cb27b4f2ad6beb4@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:21 +0100, "catsruleok"
> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this group finds themselves in a
> >situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have caused them to turn to
> >drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know about it. At such times,
> >their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by confiding in us and getting back
> >support and encouragement, they might get through this period without drinking. Some of my posts
> >and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in this way. I hope it will
> >continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.
>
> Certainly. But people ought to realise there's a reasonable limit on
> discussion of off-topic material. Where do the alcoholics go if all
> they find is an alcoholism newsgroup discussing nothing but stuff like
> manic depression - conditions about which they, as alcoholics, cannot
> identify?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:47:59 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>i haven't read a post in here that indicates that those who suffer from a mental illness are not seeing a doctor, where
>they are diagnosed and being treated.

Except for those who haven't been to a doctor?

>BM, have you listened to yourself lately?

Are you a parrot or something?

--
Blue Moon

[catsruleok]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b84477d84c32905a9cb27b4f2ad6beb4@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:21 +0100, "catsruleok"
> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this group finds themselves in
a
> >situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have caused them to turn to
> >drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know about it. At such times,
> >their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by confiding in us and getting
back
> >support and encouragement, they might get through this period without drinking. Some of my posts
> >and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in this way. I hope it
will
> >continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.
>
> Certainly. But people ought to realise there's a reasonable limit on
> discussion of off-topic material. Where do the alcoholics go if all
> they find is an alcoholism newsgroup discussing nothing but stuff like
> manic depression - conditions about which they, as alcoholics, cannot
> identify?
>
> --
> Blue Moon


I don't yet know enough about recovering from alcoholism to be able to judge whether or not all the
subjects I've seen discussed on this group are relevant to the subject we're supposed to be here to
discuss. I know which I consider not to be relevant to me and often don't bother to read those
posts. If the more knowledgeable among us could agree which topics were irrelevant to all
recovering alcoholics, I wonder if they could then agree on what was a "reasonable limit" for
discussions of such subjects ?. Sadly, I doubt it.

Like Blue, I don't like everything that gets posted here. When I joined the group nearly three
weeks ago, I nearly left after a few days because of the constant bickering and rudeness. I thought
this would be of no use to me. Now, I'm glad I stayed. Not only have I found the help I need to
keep me from not drinking but I also find many of the group's antics a source of great amusement
:^)) Many thanks

JB

[rosie readandpost]

> I know which I consider not to be relevant to me and often don't bother to read those
> posts.


imo, that is the wisest course of action.




> If the more knowledgeable among us could agree which topics were irrelevant to all
> recovering alcoholics, I wonder if they could then agree on what was a "reasonable limit" for
> discussions of such subjects ?.


i doubt it, and i sure wouldn't wish that censorship on anyone.

rosie

[George &The Dragon]

The NG would be a lot duller without you. Hang on to that rattle.

George

[debs]

--
Illegitimi non Carborundum

> >Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an AA newsgroup.
>
> You know it's not, so why the attempt at baiting?

couldn't resist it

> I suggest a read of the newsgroup title ... alt. *recovery*.
> addiction. *alcoholism*

I *have* read the *title* still can't understand how occassional diversions
are harming the group. If you think I am wasting bandwidth just think how
much you have wasted in your critisms of me.
>
> So it's for support to learn about alcoholism, and recover. It's not
> for support and recovery from any other condition, or for support on
> politics etc.

I think most in here have learnt from bitter experience about alcoholism.
They just want support from people who have gone through similar problems.
I agee that it is not for support and recovery from any other condition. In
fact some of the postings to a newly diagnosed bi-polar frightened me. But
I posted to let that person know that there was someone else who had gone
through a similar experience. As for the politics................dunno that
seems to be your drum to bang along with the cat alergies of course.
>
> That most people who contribute don't even comprehend what alcoholism
> actually IS, it should certainly not be considered an exclusive
> support resource for anyone needing to recover from that condition.

Didn't know we had to meet certain criteria to post. Just for the
record......having recieved in patient treatment for alcoholism I actually
have the dubious honour of having alcoholic written on my medical
records........ in several places. But I don't actually call myself an
alcoholic the same as I don't call myself a manic depressive. I am not my
illness. As far as I am concerned they are just labels to enable my doctors
to ensure the best possible treatment for myself. This doesn't mean that I
can't identify with other people who have walked that path.

certainly this is not the only place to get support and help.....I would
always say that the first place should be your GP. My primary source was my
mental health care team......I have always acknowledged that there are
others such as AA, RR SMART etc. I don't diss any of them as what works for
one may not work for another.

debs
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bdopts$aen$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...

> certainly this is not the only place to get support and help.....I would
> always say that the first place should be your GP.

And GPs get their alcoholic training from ... where?

[debs]

Depends on the GP. The practice I go to has several GPs and I am free to
use which ever one I want. I tend to use the same one who is known in the
area for his ability to treat mental illness, depression and alcoholism with
skill and compassion. There is another who I avoid at all costs.

The practice also runs skill updating programs for GPs so that they can keep
in touch with all medical problems, including alcohol. Maybe not every area
in the UK or any other country is as lucky.

But my first step would be my GP for a start off if anyone in the area needs
in-patient treatment for alcohol problems then they need a referral from the
GP. He may not feel in-patient treatment is appropriate but you would still
need his referral for any other sort of professional help. Of course anyone
is free to use any other method of support, but in the case of severe
problems with withdrawal you would still need to use a GP.

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Blue Moon" <mfoco_uk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7747c27d.0306300706.7904876@posting.google.co m...
> "debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:<bdopts$aen$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
>
> > certainly this is not the only place to get support and help.....I would
> > always say that the first place should be your GP.
>
> And GPs get their alcoholic training from ... where?

[rosie readandpost]

> Better late than never, I suppose ;) Would they also train up all the
> older GPs who already went through medical school?


absolutely BETTER LATE THAN NEVER..............................training is available for ALL GP's every year, when they
acquire their annual CEUs for licensure......................whether they take it or not, depends on the quality of
doctor they want to be!

imo, the best doctors are sitting in those lectures as i type!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

a cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
..................................... mencken



"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c4a0e8d7c4ccec3cce76955c6ec378e4@free.teranew s.com...
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:13:44 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
> <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> And GPs get their alcoholic training from ... where?
> >
> >its getting better BM.....................medical schools are actually including alcoholism and its treatment in
their
> >curriculum.
>
> Better late than never, I suppose ;) Would they also train up all the
> older GPs who already went through medical school?
>
> >AND here in wisconsin, actually offering a rotation in it!
>
> What's a rotation?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:13:44 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>> And GPs get their alcoholic training from ... where?
>
>its getting better BM.....................medical schools are actually including alcoholism and its treatment in their
>curriculum.

Better late than never, I suppose ;) Would they also train up all the
older GPs who already went through medical school?

>AND here in wisconsin, actually offering a rotation in it!

What's a rotation?

--
Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:30:53 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
<debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Of course anyone
>is free to use any other method of support, but in the case of severe
>problems with withdrawal you would still need to use a GP.

Undoubtedly. For physical detox I would always recommend someone
visit their GP. But what's then needed is an effective method of
recovery, so the person doesn't have to keep enduring detox.

--
Blue Moon

[rosie readandpost]

>
> I thought the good ones were all out playing golf ;)
> --
> Blue Moon


NOPE!

[pauly]

"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bdmsnu$ea4$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> I agree to a certain extent. But I don't think this would be a very
> exciting or informative newsgroup if we strictly stuck to alcohol issues
and
> nothing else.
>
> we could all sign in and say how many days we have been sober......if we
> have been tempted to drink that day and how glad we are to be sober and
that
> would be it. Gee if that happens I will stick to talking to the wall.
>
You mean like an AA meeting:-)

[pauly]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco_uk@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7747c27d.0306300706.7904876@posting.google.co m...
> "debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:<bdopts$aen$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
>
> > certainly this is not the only place to get support and help.....I would
> > always say that the first place should be your GP.
>
> And GPs get their alcoholic training from ... where?

Apparantly a 1 hour lecture in the UK at many medical schools, that covers
all addiction , not just alcohol

[rosie readandpost]

tsk, tsk, pauly!

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rosie

a cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
..................................... mencken



"pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message news:uH4Ma.922$zN5.125743@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
>
> "debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:bdmsnu$ea4$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > I agree to a certain extent. But I don't think this would be a very
> > exciting or informative newsgroup if we strictly stuck to alcohol issues
> and
> > nothing else.
> >
> > we could all sign in and say how many days we have been sober......if we
> > have been tempted to drink that day and how glad we are to be sober and
> that
> > would be it. Gee if that happens I will stick to talking to the wall.
> >
> You mean like an AA meeting:-)
>
>

[pauly]

"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bdrfuj$d1p$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> ha ha.....I can't really comment on that as I have only ever been to about
> four meetings. I know some are better than others. The ones I went to
were
> just drunkalogs. I was actually looking for a way forward and some help
in
> developing coping mechanisms.
>
> Strang thing was the stories got more horrific as the evening wore on. It
> was like some sort of competition. The other thing was that nobody seemed
> very happy. I was an unhappy drunk I certainly didn't want to be unhappy
> sober. I know I could have looked around a bit more but geographic wise
it
> was getting difficult.
> As it is I have found a way that suits me now.....so I'll stick to that.
> debs
>
It is a shame so many meetings are like that, as I do like the safe feeling
I get going to group meetings, even though I'm not a big AA fan. There are
some great meetings near me in a morning which are run by the local detox
unit. They are non affiliated, and run more like a discussion, hence there
aren't too many drunkalogs. Thre is a qualified detox nurse who chair the
meetings, and only really speaks when an argument is getting out of
hand(rarely) or if the discussion is at a dead end, she may act as a sort of
prompt. I do prefer the discussion format, as it is all inclusive unlike the
dreaded drunkalogs as you accurately called them.

[rosie readandpost]

i am sorry that your introduction to AA was a negative one.
one of the reasons that i KEPT COMING BACK, was the exact opposite.
the groups i attended DISCOURAGED drunkalogs,focusing instead ON THE SOLUTION. they were exuberant in their sober
lives!
i remember wondering "what the hell these people were so happy about?!"


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read and post daily, it works!
rosie

a cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
..................................... mencken



"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:bdrfuj$d1p$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> ha ha.....I can't really comment on that as I have only ever been to about
> four meetings. I know some are better than others. The ones I went to were
> just drunkalogs. I was actually looking for a way forward and some help in
> developing coping mechanisms.
>
> Strang thing was the stories got more horrific as the evening wore on. It
> was like some sort of competition. The other thing was that nobody seemed
> very happy. I was an unhappy drunk I certainly didn't want to be unhappy
> sober. I know I could have looked around a bit more but geographic wise it
> was getting difficult.
> As it is I have found a way that suits me now.....so I'll stick to that.
> debs
>
> --
> Illegitimi non Carborundum
> "pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message
> news:uH4Ma.922$zN5.125743@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > "debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:bdmsnu$ea4$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > > I agree to a certain extent. But I don't think this would be a very
> > > exciting or informative newsgroup if we strictly stuck to alcohol issues
> > and
> > > nothing else.
> > >
> > > we could all sign in and say how many days we have been sober......if we
> > > have been tempted to drink that day and how glad we are to be sober and
> > that
> > > would be it. Gee if that happens I will stick to talking to the wall.
> > >
> > You mean like an AA meeting:-)
> >
> >
>
>