Re: A Question for Atheists and Arfer's

[Reese]

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:59:03 GMT, "F.H." <disconnectu@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?

Was this question ever answered?

[nakas]

"Reese" <xyz34@plutolink.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:59:03 GMT, "F.H." <disconnectu@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?
>
> Was this question ever answered?

Considering Christmas is a pagan holiday, why not?

[Robibnikoff]

In article <UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53>, nakas says...
>
>
>"Reese" <xyz34@plutolink.com> wrote in message
>news:ntakfvktir1e24kh71jgp58atreumr9ik8@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:59:03 GMT, "F.H." <disconnectu@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?
>>
>> Was this question ever answered?
>
>Considering Christmas is a pagan holiday, why not?

Indeed - And the witchling could always use another Barbie ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Douglas Berry]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:56:29 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:

>In article <UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53>, nakas says...
>>
>>
>>"Reese" <xyz34@plutolink.com> wrote in message
>>news:ntakfvktir1e24kh71jgp58atreumr9ik8@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:59:03 GMT, "F.H." <disconnectu@earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?
>>>
>>> Was this question ever answered?
>>
>>Considering Christmas is a pagan holiday, why not?
>
>Indeed - And the witchling could always use another Barbie ;)

We exchange gifts on Christmas. and have a tree with blue and white
lights. We also have a generitc Winter party each year.

--

Douglas Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Robibnikoff]

In article <tp1mfvkp6phpt3mlklful5rsci8h1amt0d@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry says...
>
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:56:29 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
>Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> warmed at our fire and told this
>tale:
>
>>In article <UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53>, nakas says...
>>>
>>>
>>>"Reese" <xyz34@plutolink.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ntakfvktir1e24kh71jgp58atreumr9ik8@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:59:03 GMT, "F.H." <disconnectu@earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?
>>>>
>>>> Was this question ever answered?
>>>
>>>Considering Christmas is a pagan holiday, why not?
>>
>>Indeed - And the witchling could always use another Barbie ;)
>
>We exchange gifts on Christmas. and have a tree with blue and white
>lights. We also have a generitc Winter party each year.

Sounds great. What most christians seem to be unable to understand is the fact
that Christmas is Pagan in origin and is extremely easy to celebrate without one
mention of their Jesus. I've been doing that for almost 42 years ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[nakas]

"nakas" <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53...
>
> "Reese" <xyz34@plutolink.com> wrote in message
> news:ntakfvktir1e24kh71jgp58atreumr9ik8@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:59:03 GMT, "F.H." <disconnectu@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?
> >
> > Was this question ever answered?
>
> Considering Christmas is a pagan holiday, why not?
>

I would like clarify this for anybody out there that maybe doesn't know this
yet. Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
solstice, a pagan holiday which was celebrated for thousands of years before
christ. The earth precesses, like a spinning top, every 24 thousand years
or so. About 1,500 years ago, the winter solstice fell on December 25th.
Due to the precession of the earth, the solstice has slowly moved over time
to where it is today: December 21st. Bacically, the Christians just
hijacked this widly celebrated pagan holiday a few thousand years ago and
claimed it as their own.

Also notice the similarity here:
1 ) Pagan cultures revered the sun for it's ability to bring light, and thus
life, to the their crops. They celibrated the sun's re-birth on the winter
solstice.
2) Christians revere the "Son" for his ability to bring "light" and "life".
They celebrate his birth on December 25th, at that time the day of the
winter solstice.


Here's a good link for more detailed information:
http://www.candlegrove.com/solstice.html

[azure]

"nakas" <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54...
>
> I would like clarify this for anybody out there that maybe
> doesn't know this yet. Christmas is actually nothing more

sez who?

> than the celebration of the winter solstice, a pagan holiday
[...]

[Tom G.]

"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message

> Robyn
> Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
> #1557



Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
such... If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...


Tom, in Chantilly, Virginia

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[Tommy]

"nakas" > 1 ) Pagan cultures revered the sun for it's ability to bring
light, and thus
> life, to the their crops. They celibrated the sun's re-birth on the
winter
> solstice.
> 2) Christians revere the "Son" for his ability to bring "light" and
"life".
> They celebrate his birth on December 25th, at that time the day of the
> winter solstice.

Burn the pagans, it's the only way they'll get to heaven, look at the favour
you'll be doing their immortal soul -
And sing the secret chant before the flames die down, else you'll have to
dig what's left of them up and do it all over again. Ever smell a half -
burned pagan, phewww - why do you think the Christian sign is a fish, get a
grip lads :-))
Cheers

[Douglas Berry]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:59:19 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:

>>We exchange gifts on Christmas. and have a tree with blue and white
>>lights. We also have a generitc Winter party each year.
>
>Sounds great. What most christians seem to be unable to understand is the fact
>that Christmas is Pagan in origin and is extremely easy to celebrate without one
>mention of their Jesus. I've been doing that for almost 42 years ;)

Oh, we mention Jesus..

"Jesus Christ! What moron put away these lights?"

"That would be you, my dear."

"Oh. Well, I suck at it."
--

Douglas Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5

Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"

[Virtualoso]

In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
<daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:

> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
> solstice, a pagan holiday ...

Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
anything has mattered since.

[Virtualoso]

In article <qpnmfvknkheltp94mq6b9e1a6ibpbts4ek@4ax.com>, smicker
<rossprat@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:10:12 GMT, "nakas" <daniel_pineo@attbi.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >news:UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53...
>
> Well I am neither christian nor pagan. I have no gods nor beliefs ...

Sure you have beliefs.

[Virtualoso]

In article <7tJKa.25636$ZE.6021@lakeread05>, Tom G.
<thegoz@dipshit.com> wrote:

> Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
> about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
> in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
> It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
> him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
> such... If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
> him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...

" So, put me in yer twit filter, you clueless asshole...:O)"
- Tom G.

[azure]

heeheeheeee you're bad, Tommy

azure

"Tommy" <Tommyleprechaun@yourway.com> wrote in message
news:bdfp10$seadi$1@ID-49277.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "nakas" > 1 ) Pagan cultures revered the sun for it's
> > ability to bring light, and thus life, to the their crops.
> > They celibrated the sun's re-birth on the winter
> > solstice.
> > 2) Christians revere the "Son" for his ability to bring
> > "light" and "life". They celebrate his birth on December
> > 25th, at that time the day of the winter solstice.
>
> Burn the pagans, it's the only way they'll get to heaven, look
> at the favour you'll be doing their immortal soul -
> And sing the secret chant before the flames die down, else
> you'll have to dig what's left of them up and do it all over
> again. Ever smell a half - burned pagan, phewww - why do
> you think the Christian sign is a fish, get a grip lads :-))
> Cheers

[Virtualoso]

In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas
<daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:

> "Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
> news:260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com...
> > In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
> > <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
> > > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
> >
> > Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
> > the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
> > in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
> > anything has mattered since.
>
> The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.

Whose? LOL

[nakas]

"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
news:260620032053248678%virtualoso@innocent.com...
> In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas
> <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> > "Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
> > news:260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com...
> > > In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
> > > <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the
winter
> > > > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
> > >
> > > Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
> > > the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so
mired
> > > in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
> > > anything has mattered since.
> >
> > The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.
>
> Whose? LOL

Take a guess Einstein.

[Cartman]

Hey nakas:

Shouldn't you be resting up for a long day of creating idols to worship? Or
are you more of a consumerist.....go shopping and leave the recovery NGs to
their constituents. OR.....keep on recovery topics if you are interested in
the NGs actual focus.

Cross-posting this NG from alt.atheism is just wasting diskspace on numerous
NG servers.

- Cartman

"nakas" <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:k_PKa.27431$Fy6.10381@sccrnsc03...
>
> "Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
> news:260620032053248678%virtualoso@innocent.com...
> > In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas
> > <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
> > > news:260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com...
> > > > In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
> > > > <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the
> winter
> > > > > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
> > > >
> > > > Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
> > > > the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so
> mired
> > > > in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
> > > > anything has mattered since.
> > >
> > > The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.
> >
> > Whose? LOL
>
> Take a guess Einstein.
>
>

[smicker]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:43:54 -0700, Virtualoso
<virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote:

>In article <qpnmfvknkheltp94mq6b9e1a6ibpbts4ek@4ax.com>, smicker
><rossprat@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:10:12 GMT, "nakas" <daniel_pineo@attbi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >news:UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53...
>>
>> Well I am neither christian nor pagan. I have no gods nor beliefs ...
>
>Sure you have beliefs.

LOL I don't believe you are correct about that.
smicker
http://www.smicker.co.uk

[Virtualoso]

In article <982ofvoa24mftdg9butnqkbvd3nfmes9dl@4ax.com>, smicker
<rossprat@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:43:54 -0700, Virtualoso
> <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <qpnmfvknkheltp94mq6b9e1a6ibpbts4ek@4ax.com>, smicker
> ><rossprat@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:10:12 GMT, "nakas" <daniel_pineo@attbi.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >news:UNuKa.20909$XG4.17751@rwcrnsc53...
> >>
> >> Well I am neither christian nor pagan. I have no gods nor beliefs ...
> >
> >Sure you have beliefs.
>
> LOL I don't believe you are correct about that.

Fair enough. '-)

[Robibnikoff]

In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas says...
>
>
>"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
>news:260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com...
>> In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
>> <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>> > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>>
>> Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
>> the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
>> in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
>> anything has mattered since.
>
>The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.

And I'm sure he has NO idea why either ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Robibnikoff]

In article <260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>
>In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
><daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>> solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>
>Christmas is a great deal more than that.

Well, duh! It is now - after the early christians took it over. However, many
of us continue to celebrate only the pagan aspects. Tell me, what DOES the
colors green and red have to do with the birth of Jesus? Or holly? Or ivy? Or
mistletoe?

Unless you're maybe one of
>the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
>in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
>anything has mattered since.

And lo, there was a monstrous explosion across the land as irony meters
committed suicide as one ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Robibnikoff]

In article <7tJKa.25636$ZE.6021@lakeread05>, Tom G. says...
>
>"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>
>> Robyn
>> Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>> #1557
>
>
>
> Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
>about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
>in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
>It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
>him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
>such...

Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And ye harm
none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)

If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
>him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...

That I can do - I'll get right on it. Anybody know what that moonphase is today?
;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Tom G.]

"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:4R%Ka.4422$cJ5.471@www.newsranger.com...
> In article <7tJKa.25636$ZE.6021@lakeread05>, Tom G. says...
> >
> >"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> Robyn
> >> Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
> >> #1557
> >
> >
> >
> > Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
> >about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
> >in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
> >It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
> >him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
> >such...
>
> Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And
ye harm
> none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)


Damn, even witches have a code of ethics...?? Come to think
of it, for him that would be cruel and unusual punishment... Pissin'
people off on Usenet is his life...


> If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
> >him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...
>
> That I can do - I'll get right on it. Anybody know what that moonphase
is today?
> ;)


Seems to me that makin' him capable of writin' a coherent
sentence would be a lot tougher than simply gluin' his fingers to
his keyboard... You know best, I suppose, you are after all
the Witchypoo...


Tom

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---oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------
Tom Gosnell thegoz@cox.net
--------------Oooo-------------
oooO ( )
( ) ) /
\ ( (_/
\_)

[Virtualoso]

In article <Mb_Ka.4384$cJ5.507@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

> In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas says...
> >
> >
> >"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
> >news:260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com...
> >> In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
> >> <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
> >> > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
> >>
> >> Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
> >> the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
> >> in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
> >> anything has mattered since.
> >
> >The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.
>
> And I'm sure he has NO idea why either ;)

You and naka still haven't made it all the way down to the punchline
yet.

[Virtualoso]

In article <yJ%Ka.4417$cJ5.401@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

> In article <260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
> >
> >In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
> ><daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
> >> solstice, a pagan holiday ...
> >
> >Christmas is a great deal more than that.
>
> Well, duh! It is now ...

Yes, it is.

[Virtualoso]

In article <kL%Ka.4418$cJ5.395@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

> In article <260620031741466652%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
> >
> >In article <HDFKa.3917$cJ5.456@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
> ><nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What most christians seem to be unable to understand is the fact
> >> that Christmas is Pagan in origin ...
> >
> >Well, you might happen to just "believe" that. Probably based on some
> >completely arbitrary old writings or something.
>
> Why don't you believe it? Can you point me to the bible verse(s) which
> specifically states that Jesus was born on December 25th and that this event
> should be celebrated with decorated evergreen trees in one's household, the
> colors red and green, mistletoe, the exchanging of gifts and fruitcake?
>
> Any time you're ready.

You athiests are such Bible thumpers. What do the Bible verse(s) have
to do with it? Sheesh. Open your mind.

[Robibnikoff]

In article <270620031657538333%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>
>In article <kL%Ka.4418$cJ5.395@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
><nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <260620031741466652%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>> >
>> >In article <HDFKa.3917$cJ5.456@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
>> ><nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What most christians seem to be unable to understand is the fact
>> >> that Christmas is Pagan in origin ...
>> >
>> >Well, you might happen to just "believe" that. Probably based on some
>> >completely arbitrary old writings or something.
>>
>> Why don't you believe it? Can you point me to the bible verse(s) which
>> specifically states that Jesus was born on December 25th and that this event
>> should be celebrated with decorated evergreen trees in one's household, the
>> colors red and green, mistletoe, the exchanging of gifts and fruitcake?
>>
>> Any time you're ready.
>
>You athiests are such Bible thumpers. What do the Bible verse(s) have
>to do with it? Sheesh. Open your mind.

Your inability to answer the question is duly noted.

Seriously, I thought you would at least try.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Robibnikoff]

In article <270620031656242962%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>
>In article <Mb_Ka.4384$cJ5.507@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
><nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
>> >news:260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com...
>> >> In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
>> >> <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>> >> > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>> >>
>> >> Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
>> >> the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
>> >> in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
>> >> anything has mattered since.
>> >
>> >The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.
>>
>> And I'm sure he has NO idea why either ;)
>
>You and naka still haven't made it all the way down to the punchline
>yet.

Nice taunt! Take you all day to think of it?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Virtualoso]

In article <iS7La.4663$cJ5.513@www.newsranger.com>, Robibniioff
<nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

> In article <270620031656424067%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
> >
> >In article <yJ%Ka.4417$cJ5.401@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
> ><nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
> >> >
> >> >In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
> >> ><daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
> >> >> solstice, a pagan holiday ...
> >> >
> >> >Christmas is a great deal more than that.
> >>
> >> Well, duh! It is now ...
> >
> >Yes, it is.
>
> And there's still no reason to celebrate it as the birth of Jesus ...

Sure there is.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:29:47 -0600, "azure"
<ladybluex1212@notmail.com> wrote:

>"Robibniioff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>news:iS7La.4663$cJ5.513@www.newsranger.com...
>
>> And there's still no reason to celebrate it as the birth
>> of Jesus as there's no evidence that he was born on
>> that date - much less even existed.
>
>Indeed. It says that in Introduction to Wicca so it must be true.

Totally irrelevant - but then you knew that and were just being silly.

There is zero reason to believed that IF he existed, he was born on
that date.

The way to refute this is to provide evidence for it. Not to do some
stupid non-sequitur.

However, seeing as the NOT got things like the dates of the Procurator
wrong when it described this, why should we take it seriously?

>where can one find that awesome black lipstick, btw?

In your purse?

>azure
>

[Robibnikoff]

In article <bdk15h$u5am9$1@ID-123673.news.dfncis.de>, azure says...
>
>"Robibniioff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>news:iS7La.4663$cJ5.513@www.newsranger.com...
>
>> And there's still no reason to celebrate it as the birth
>> of Jesus as there's no evidence that he was born on
>> that date - much less even existed.
>
>Indeed. It says that in Introduction to Wicca so it must be true.

Does it? I wouldn't know. Do much reading on the subject?

>where can one find that awesome black lipstick, btw?

I don't know - why don't you ask your mother?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[azure]

"Robibniioff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:iS7La.4663$cJ5.513@www.newsranger.com...

> And there's still no reason to celebrate it as the birth
> of Jesus as there's no evidence that he was born on
> that date - much less even existed.

Indeed. It says that in Introduction to Wicca so it must be true.

where can one find that awesome black lipstick, btw?

azure

[azure]

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:342rfv0dquuce4l15j8gjtmtejt3po6j5t@4ax.com...
>
> The way to refute this is to provide evidence for it.
> Not to do some stupid non-sequitur.

do your own homework.

azure

[Jesus]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:15:28 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <4R%Ka.4422$cJ5.471@www.newsranger.com>:
>In article <7tJKa.25636$ZE.6021@lakeread05>, Tom G. says...
>>"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>>> Robyn
>>> Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>> #1557
>> Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
>>about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
>>in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
>>It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
>>him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
>>such...
>Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And ye harm
>none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)

that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.

>>If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
>>him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...
>That I can do - I'll get right on it. Anybody know what that moonphase is today?
>;)
>Robyn
>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>#1557

do you like chocolate?

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[Jesus]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:20:43 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <%V%Ka.4424$cJ5.479@www.newsranger.com>:

>In article <6d1nfv086m1r4arr21pobo7u5qstuvt5ip@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry says...
>>
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:59:19 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
>>Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> warmed at our fire and told this
>>tale:
>>
>>>>We exchange gifts on Christmas. and have a tree with blue and white
>>>>lights. We also have a generitc Winter party each year.
>>>
>>>Sounds great. What most christians seem to be unable to understand is the fact
>>>that Christmas is Pagan in origin and is extremely easy to celebrate without one
>>>mention of their Jesus. I've been doing that for almost 42 years ;)
>>
>>Oh, we mention Jesus..
>>
>>"Jesus Christ! What moron put away these lights?"
>
>:::::SPEW!!!!::::: Arrrrrgh! My monitor!
>
>LOL! You got me! :)
>
>>"That would be you, my dear."
>>
>>"Oh. Well, I suck at it."
>
>Gracious! I truly believe I've had the EXACT same conversation with my husband!
>(I won't say who is who) :)
>
>Robyn
>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>#1557

witches can't get married because they're gnarled, ugly and old.

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[Jesus]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:07:26 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <yJ%Ka.4417$cJ5.401@www.newsranger.com>:
>In article <260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>>In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
>><daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>>> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>>> solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>>Christmas is a great deal more than that.
>Well, duh! It is now - after the early christians took it over. However, many
>of us continue to celebrate only the pagan aspects. Tell me, what DOES the
>colors green and red have to do with the birth of Jesus? Or holly? Or ivy? Or
>mistletoe?

it means nothing. school children in the times of Pagan thought them pretty.

>Unless you're maybe one of
>>the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
>>in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
>>anything has mattered since.
>And lo, there was a monstrous explosion across the land as irony meters
>committed suicide as one ;)

liar. that never happened.

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[Jesus]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:22:54 GMT, Robibniioff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <iS7La.4663$cJ5.513@www.newsranger.com>:

>In article <270620031656424067%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>>
>>In article <yJ%Ka.4417$cJ5.401@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
>><nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>>> >
>>> >In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
>>> ><daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>>> >> solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>>> >
>>> >Christmas is a great deal more than that.
>>>
>>> Well, duh! It is now ...
>>
>>Yes, it is.
>
>And there's still no reason to celebrate it as the birth of Jesus as there's no
>evidence that he was born on that date - much less even existed.

I exist.

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[Robibnikoff]

In article <rj5rfvc7itqq3iib1kb5l2hqocjk6t3i6k@4ax.com>, Jesus says...
>
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:07:26 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>in message <yJ%Ka.4417$cJ5.401@www.newsranger.com>:
>>In article <260620031743101738%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>>>In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
>>><daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>>>> Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>>>> solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>>>Christmas is a great deal more than that.
>>Well, duh! It is now - after the early christians took it over. However, many
>>of us continue to celebrate only the pagan aspects. Tell me, what DOES the
>>colors green and red have to do with the birth of Jesus? Or holly? Or ivy? Or
>>mistletoe?
>
>it means nothing. school children in the times of Pagan thought them pretty.

Oh really? Cites please ;)

>>Unless you're maybe one of
>>>the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
>>>in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
>>>anything has mattered since.
>>And lo, there was a monstrous explosion across the land as irony meters
>>committed suicide as one ;)
>
>liar. that never happened.

My, my. Is Jesus a little cranky today?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Robibnikoff]

In article <u85rfvo5eapq7ajbe8dk33fu1aikjcj2mc@4ax.com>, Jesus says...
>
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:20:43 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>in message <%V%Ka.4424$cJ5.479@www.newsranger.com>:
>
>>In article <6d1nfv086m1r4arr21pobo7u5qstuvt5ip@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry says...
>>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:59:19 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
>>>Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> warmed at our fire and told this
>>>tale:
>>>
>>>>>We exchange gifts on Christmas. and have a tree with blue and white
>>>>>lights. We also have a generitc Winter party each year.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds great. What most christians seem to be unable to understand is the fact
>>>>that Christmas is Pagan in origin and is extremely easy to celebrate without one
>>>>mention of their Jesus. I've been doing that for almost 42 years ;)
>>>
>>>Oh, we mention Jesus..
>>>
>>>"Jesus Christ! What moron put away these lights?"
>>
>>:::::SPEW!!!!::::: Arrrrrgh! My monitor!
>>
>>LOL! You got me! :)
>>
>>>"That would be you, my dear."
>>>
>>>"Oh. Well, I suck at it."
>>
>>Gracious! I truly believe I've had the EXACT same conversation with my husband!
>>(I won't say who is who) :)
>>
>>Robyn
>>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>#1557
>
>witches can't get married because they're gnarled, ugly and old.
>
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Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Robibnikoff]

In article <s05rfvc9nl2puog75ovoq324jjn2mc2v2d@4ax.com>, Jesus says...
>
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:15:28 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>in message <4R%Ka.4422$cJ5.471@www.newsranger.com>:
>>In article <7tJKa.25636$ZE.6021@lakeread05>, Tom G. says...
>>>"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>>>> Robyn
>>>> Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>>> #1557
>>> Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
>>>about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
>>>in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
>>>It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
>>>him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
>>>such...
>>Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And ye harm
>>none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)
>
>that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.

Try it, sweetie ;)

>>>If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
>>>him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...
>>That I can do - I'll get right on it. Anybody know what that moonphase is today?
>>;)
>>Robyn
>>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>#1557
>
>do you like chocolate?

No.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Elroy Willis]

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism

> Jesus says...
>> Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote

>>> Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And
>>> ye harm none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)

>> that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.

> Try it, sweetie ;)

Is that the first time a Jesus wanted to burn you?

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[Reese]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:49:14 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

>In article <s05rfvc9nl2puog75ovoq324jjn2mc2v2d@4ax.com>, Jesus says...
>>
>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:15:28 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>>in message <4R%Ka.4422$cJ5.471@www.newsranger.com>:
>>>In article <7tJKa.25636$ZE.6021@lakeread05>, Tom G. says...
>>>>"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> Robyn
>>>>> Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>>>> #1557
>>>> Say there Witchypoo, if you get a few minutes free how's
>>>>about castin' a lightweight spell on this dipshit we got over here
>>>>in a.r.aa... His name is "Virtualoso" and he's powerful annoyin'...
>>>>It don't have to be much of a spell, just a little somethin' to slow
>>>>him down, like maybe gluing his fingers to the keyboard or some
>>>>such...
>>>Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And ye harm
>>>none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)
>>
>>that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.
>
>Try it, sweetie ;)
>
>>>>If that's too much, maybe a brain spell that would make
>>>>him capable of writin' a coherent sentence... Thanx in advance...
>>>That I can do - I'll get right on it. Anybody know what that moonphase is today?
>>>;)
>>>Robyn
>>>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>>#1557
>>
>>do you like chocolate?
>
>No.

How much do you weigh?



Change the name of the planet to reply

[Jesus]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:06:00 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <YogLa.4696$cJ5.262@www.newsranger.com>:
>In article <bdk15h$u5am9$1@ID-123673.news.dfncis.de>, azure says...
>>"Robibniioff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>>> And there's still no reason to celebrate it as the birth
>>> of Jesus as there's no evidence that he was born on
>>> that date - much less even existed.
>>Indeed. It says that in Introduction to Wicca so it must be true.
>Does it? I wouldn't know. Do much reading on the subject?
>>where can one find that awesome black lipstick, btw?
>I don't know - why don't you ask your mother?

silly bitch.

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[Jesus]

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:47:59 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <3FjLa.4901$cJ5.330@www.newsranger.com>:
>In article <5g5rfvs993cmvjvesqt5sjf81hjmaoscrp@4ax.com>, Jesus says...
>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:23:40 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>>>In article <270620031656242962%virtualoso@innocent.com>, Virtualoso says...
>>>>In article <Mb_Ka.4384$cJ5.507@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
>>>>> In article <18PKa.28283$Ab2.55599@sccrnsc01>, nakas says...
>>>>> >"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >> In article <8GGKa.24119$Bg.13685@rwcrnsc54>, nakas
>>>>> >> <daniel_pineo@attbi.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Christmas is actually nothing more than the celebration of the winter
>>>>> >> > solstice, a pagan holiday ...
>>>>> >> Christmas is a great deal more than that. Unless you're maybe one of
>>>>> >> the simpltons that believes some old random manuscripts and is so mired
>>>>> >> in the imagined past it describes that you can't comprehend that
>>>>> >> anything has mattered since.
>>>>> >The hypocrisy of that statement is kinda funny.
>>>>> And I'm sure he has NO idea why either ;)
>>>>You and naka still haven't made it all the way down to the punchline
>>>>yet.
>>>Nice taunt! Take you all day to think of it?
>>>Robyn
>>>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>>>#1557
>>I laugh at your vaunted powers.
><snicker> What a maroon ;)

my favourite colour is blue actually.

>>it took me 5 seconds to think of that.
>Perhaps if you'd taken one second longer you could have thought of something
>less pathetic.

yer not worth it.

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[Jesus]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:15:20 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
in message <smZLa.5786$cJ5.528@www.newsranger.com>:
>In article <42jrfv85m34hr4rdqv3rt471ainvddgqe6@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
>>Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>>Jesus says...
>>>>Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>>>>>Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of ethics (And
>>>>>ye harm none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)
>>>>that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.
>>>Try it, sweetie ;)
>>Is that the first time a Jesus wanted to burn you?
><chuckle> I believe so :)
>However, in this case, I think this "Jesus" is some bored 16-year-old playing on
>his mommy's computer ;)

bull. I am some bored 35yo male playing on my own computer.

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[Elroy Willis]

Jesus <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in alt.atheism

> Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>> Elroy Willis says...

>>> Is that the first time a Jesus wanted to burn you?

>> <chuckle> I believe so :)

>> However, in this case, I think this "Jesus" is some bored 16-year-old
>> playing on his mommy's computer ;)

> bull. I am some bored 35yo male playing on my own computer.

How come you chose "Jesus" as a handle? Thought it would be fun
or something?

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[pauly]

Jesus wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:15:20 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
> wrote
> in message <smZLa.5786$cJ5.528@www.newsranger.com>:
>> In article <42jrfv85m34hr4rdqv3rt471ainvddgqe6@4ax.com>, Elroy
>> Willis says...
>>> Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>>> Jesus says...
>>>>> Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>>>>>> Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of
>>>>>> ethics (And
>>>>>> ye harm none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)
>>>>> that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.
>>>> Try it, sweetie ;)
>>> Is that the first time a Jesus wanted to burn you?
>> <chuckle> I believe so :)
>> However, in this case, I think this "Jesus" is some bored
>> 16-year-old playing on his mommy's computer ;)
Jesus takes many forms but if thats how you want to see him. :-)

[Robibnikoff]

In article <QAdMa.591$Fz3.523@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>, pauly says...
>
>Jesus wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:15:20 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
>> wrote
>> in message <smZLa.5786$cJ5.528@www.newsranger.com>:
>>> In article <42jrfv85m34hr4rdqv3rt471ainvddgqe6@4ax.com>, Elroy
>>> Willis says...
>>>> Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>>>> Jesus says...
>>>>>> Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Hmmm, well sadly that would go against the Witches code of
>>>>>>> ethics (And
>>>>>>> ye harm none, do what ye will). Though it IS tempting ;)
>>>>>> that is bull. witches are evil and must be burnt alive.
>>>>> Try it, sweetie ;)
>>>> Is that the first time a Jesus wanted to burn you?
>>> <chuckle> I believe so :)
>>> However, in this case, I think this "Jesus" is some bored
>>> 16-year-old playing on his mommy's computer ;)
>Jesus takes many forms but if thats how you want to see him. :-)

Actually, I don't.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

[Jesus]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 02:50:47 GMT, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in
message <mit1gvoose18q2rm6vute4oqq00jtu9nc1@4ax.com>:
>Jesus <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in alt.atheism
>>Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote
>>>Elroy Willis says...
>>>>Is that the first time a Jesus wanted to burn you?
>>><chuckle> I believe so :)
>>>However, in this case, I think this "Jesus" is some bored 16-year-old
>>>playing on his mommy's computer ;)
>>bull. I am some bored 35yo male playing on my own computer.
>How come you chose "Jesus" as a handle? Thought it would be fun
>or something?

why does anyone choose a handle?

from time to time I change my nym for the heck of it.

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[joseph white]

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:09:53 -0400, Reese <xyz34@plutolink.com> wrote:

>>Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?

Sure, I am an atheist, and view Christmas as a holiday for giving
gifts to my friends and my atheistic wife and children, but not as any
religious holiday. It seems to me, that this time of year was a
holiday for giving gifts long before the Christians hijacked it.

[JB]

"joseph white" <uglyvan420@excite.com> wrote in message
news:716oo01vg3rj9utb6deeldi8rbm4fq2341@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:09:53 -0400, Reese <xyz34@plutolink.com>
wrote:
>
> >>Will you be exchanging gifts at Christmas?
>
> Sure, I am an atheist, and view Christmas as a holiday for giving
> gifts to my friends and my atheistic wife and children, but not as
any
> religious holiday. It seems to me, that this time of year was a
> holiday for giving gifts long before the Christians hijacked it.

Your post has enabled me to see "Christmas" in a different light:

http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/xmas.htm

Thank you.

JB