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Tim Bruening

02-13-2008, 05:02 AM

One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
drink or have anything to do with alcohol. When I asked her to enter an
alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
violate the court order! Is such a bizarre situation true? If so, what
idiot made up that rule????? Both she and I live in Davis, California,
which is in Yolo County.

JoeRaisin

02-13-2008, 05:18 AM

Tim Bruening wrote:
> One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
> drink or have anything to do with alcohol. When I asked her to enter an
> alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
> violate the court order! Is such a bizarre situation true? If so, what
> idiot made up that rule????? Both she and I live in Davis, California,
> which is in Yolo County.
>

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then it is California...

richard

02-13-2008, 07:10 AM

David L. Martel

02-13-2008, 07:48 AM

Richard,

Yours is a good answer but I think there's a better one. The OP should
butt out. I think he's been told that they do not seek or want his help and
advice.

Dave M.

Tex

02-13-2008, 08:29 AM

richard

02-13-2008, 08:36 AM

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:29:10 -0800, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:02:41 -0800, Tim Bruening
><tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>>One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
>>drink or have anything to do with alcohol. When I asked her to enter an
>>alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
>>violate the court order! Is such a bizarre situation true? If so, what
>>idiot made up that rule????? Both she and I live in Davis, California,
>>which is in Yolo County.
>
>Dave M. writes:
>
>" The OP should butt out. I think he's been told that they do not seek
>or want his help and advice."
>
>
>Any truth to that?
>

Not. The OP was simply asking a question. I think the woman has
misunderstood exactly what the court order is. I believe a rehab
center would be acceptable as they certainly are not about to serve
alcohol at one.
But then, in california, it could happen.

Tex

02-13-2008, 08:37 AM

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:02:41 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
>drink or have anything to do with alcohol. When I asked her to enter an
>alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
>violate the court order! Is such a bizarre situation true? If so, what
>idiot made up that rule????? Both she and I live in Davis, California,
>which is in Yolo County.

Is this the same 'wife' who is/was going to 2 meetings a day and
having dates with her husband? The one you gave all the snappy & sappy
little sayings to?

It would most likely be the court that made the 'rule' if it's a
'court order' and though it does sound a little off the wall it could
well be the Judge is Raisin's cousin. :)

Sounds more n' more like you are fingerfuckin' in a blueberry pie dat
ain't your's to be messin' with. Being from Davis maybe you should
mosey over to the farm and find another cow to be herdin'.

Tex

02-13-2008, 08:56 AM

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:36:15 -0500, richard <I.dont.care@do.you>
wrote:

>But then, in california, it could happen.

What's this 'in california' stuff floating around here? California is
well known for raising it's own nuts & fruits, but most of the one's
with eye's walking around are imports from lesser states.

freedumb

02-13-2008, 10:48 AM

On Feb 13, 6:02*am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
> drink or have anything to do with alcohol. *When I asked her to enter an
> alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
> violate the court order! *Is such a bizarre situation true? *If so, what
> idiot made up that rule????? *Both she and I live in Davis, California,
> which is in Yolo County.

There are alot of bizare situations in the police states.

Like having to go through a gauntlet of armed guards to obtain health
care.

In Florida God throws parapalegics out of wheel chairs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23144420/

David L. Martel

02-13-2008, 05:56 PM

Tex,

> " The OP should butt out. I think he's been told that they do not seek
> or want his help and advice."
>
>
> Any truth to that?

Perhaps yes, perhaps no. That's my interpretation of the OP's
post,though. He should just butt out.
The OP may not know any of the relevant facts, he's a co-worker of the
husband of the woman. He shouldn't spend a lot of time gossiping about his
co-worker's wife in the coffee room.
The excuse that she can not enroll in an alcoholism program by order of
the judge is just not credible. Investigating this ridiculous excuse and
throwing it back in his co-worker's face may not be wise. I doubt that the
coworker believed the excuse.

Dave M.

Gordon Burditt

02-13-2008, 06:01 PM

>Not. The OP was simply asking a question. I think the woman has
>misunderstood exactly what the court order is. I believe a rehab
>center would be acceptable as they certainly are not about to serve
>alcohol at one.
>But then, in california, it could happen.

I believe some types of rehab programs (I'm thinking particularly
of those to quit smoking) DO use techniques like having the participant
smoke and associating it with something unpleasant like mild electric
shocks, or having them (once) smoke so much it makes them sick.

Could an alcohol rehab program serve alcohol? I think it's possible,
in the context of the program. I also suspect that the program will get
a lot of customers from court-ordered rehab, so they have provisions
to NOT do this for certain participants.

Does the court order prohibit associating with known alcoholics? That's
harder to get around.

Tommy

02-13-2008, 06:32 PM

"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin@charter.net> wrote in message
news:rmAsj.1$VG.0@newsfe02.lga...
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
>> drink or have anything to do with alcohol. When I asked her to enter an
>> alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
>> violate the court order! Is such a bizarre situation true? If so, what
>> idiot made up that rule????? Both she and I live in Davis, California,
>> which is in Yolo County.
>>
>
> That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then it is California...

http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Yf9RqhwAAADEbLAq1UwWHhjBgKACVHoQ0 Fl1APD47D_d0unlBSqu6g

Joe, with all due respects to this poster - I knew I bumped into him
elsewhere.

Stan Kegel and him post a lot, and I mean a big lot....
Work it out for yourself :-)
You know the way I work in a centre that deals with 'problems' ?
We very often get folks in, that have no discernable problems, but enquire
for a family member or a friend, inlaw, etc. Hmmm well I take back the bit
about him trolling, but he still never answered me about where we bumped
into each other before. I love playing with numbers and figures :-)

Cheers

Tommy

F.H.

02-13-2008, 07:05 PM

Gordon Burditt wrote:
>> Not. The OP was simply asking a question. I think the woman has
>> misunderstood exactly what the court order is. I believe a rehab
>> center would be acceptable as they certainly are not about to serve
>> alcohol at one.
>> But then, in california, it could happen.
>
> I believe some types of rehab programs (I'm thinking particularly
> of those to quit smoking) DO use techniques like having the participant
> smoke and associating it with something unpleasant like mild electric
> shocks, or having them (once) smoke so much it makes them sick.
>
> Could an alcohol rehab program serve alcohol? I think it's possible,
> in the context of the program. I also suspect that the program will get
> a lot of customers from court-ordered rehab, so they have provisions
> to NOT do this for certain participants.
>
> Does the court order prohibit associating with known alcoholics? That's
> harder to get around.
>

The old Schick Centers used the shock treatment. Research doesn't speak
well of it. For one thing, (surprise) shocking someone can sometimes
cause some unpleasant psychological after affects.

jimbo

02-13-2008, 08:30 PM

On Feb 13, 8:05*pm, "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The old Schick Centers used the shock treatment. *Research doesn't speak
> well of it. *For one thing, (surprise) shocking someone can sometimes
> cause some unpleasant psychological after affects.- Hide quoted text -

I read a lot of papers on Schick Shaddel and they use aversion
therapy using apomorphine for 4 to 6 weeks and then psychotherapy.
They claim to have treated 70,000 successfully.

I found it very interesting that they do not treat women cuz they
found them too emotional nor do they treat young men, single men or
divorced men as they foumd them too immature and irresponsible.

They have had great success with married men over 45 years with a
history of employment.

I found it interesting that they admit the limitations of their
success.
Jimbo

jimbo

02-13-2008, 08:47 PM

On Feb 13, 8:05*pm, "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The old Schick Centers used the shock treatment. *Research doesn't speak
> well of it. *For one thing, (surprise) shocking someone can sometimes
> cause some unpleasant psychological after affects.- Hide quoted text -

They still do but not in the same manner as psychiatric treatments. It
is used on patients who cannot take the chemical aversion.

They have you take a drink and then you get a good jolt of Edison
medicine. Soon yer mind associates drinking with getting zapped and
you don't want to get zapped more than you want to drink. It keeps 'em
sober while they go thru psychotherapy.

A friend, Bill White put together a great book titled "Slaying the
Dragon, the history of addiction and recovery in America." I did some
history presentatrions with him and it is a great book for 20$ (81/2 X
11 soft cover).

One of the most surprising things I found was that there were more
treatment centers in the U.S. in the period 1880 to 1910 than existed
in the 1970's.
Jimbo

Tex

02-13-2008, 10:23 PM

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:56:04 -0500, "David L. Martel"
<marte005@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Perhaps yes, perhaps no. That's my interpretation of the OP's
>post,though. He should just butt out.

Then he hasn't been told to butt out...you just think he should.
That's a big difference.