good morning!

[Bpyboy]

Hi guys,
I'm just now in the process of getting ready to "winterize" my garden (read
TRUCK loads of good organic horse manure other goodies!!)

Anyways, I still have been suffering from really wierd sleeping problems, and
still feel like shit when I get up in the morning. I have been sober for a
couple months now, and have conciously tried to improve my diet, lay off the
caffiene, and get in some excersise (a lot of bike riding, canoeing, and
walking the dogs).

But I STILL wake up, after a couple months, to this crazy dizziness and nausia,
just like when I was drinking.

What's the deal with that? did anyone else have a similar experience?

I have consulted my doctor on the matter, and my liver and other functions seem
to be ok. He thought it may be a problem with sugar levels (with the light
headedness and tingling in my hands and things), and so gave me a blood sugar
machine to test it out, several times a day. I test it before and after
eating, and have HONESTLY been eating one hell of a lot better than when I was
drinking (when I lived mainly on fast food and coffee). Well, the sugar looks
good, and is pretty consistant. I have a diabetic friend that took me to
school about using that thing properly. These days, it's mainly low fat
protien like tuna sandwiches, a salad about 5 times a week, NO caffiene.
Really, a much better diet than I have had since I moved away from mom's house.


So what the bloody hell is the deal? I make a special point to stay hydrated
properly, and drink a lot of veggie and fruit juice. I eat vitamins with meals
(they KILL my stomach if I try and just whack them down with a glass of milk or
something).

I don't know guys, what sorts of questions should I be asking my doctor about
this? There is obviously some medical problem going on here, but it isn't
being detected through lab tests

I don't really know if the sleep problems are spawning other physical problems
(a LOT going on these days--pretty stressful and troubling) and that is the
reason? I'm typically ok about a half hour after getting up and moving. That
first couple minutes though, it's pure hell. I just wake up with these spins,
not too different from the ones I would have after a good vodka bender--but
without the vodka!

I haven't taken a drink since about mid-summer (july sometime I think) and so
don't really understand what the deal is with this. I had some ulceration and
esophagitis (which I'M CERTAIN didn't have anything to do with drinking) that
was detected with some barium X-rays, but that seems to be going away just
fine, thanks to not pounding all that booze, and eating properly. (I got
another X-ray a little while ago, and it seems to be healing up ok--and the
pain is all but gone).

But STILL I wake up with these "spins" and yesterday morning, could hardly make
it out to my back yard I was so dizzy. I would like some advice on some
questions I might ask the Doc. about this?

He knows all about my drinking history--last time I got TERRIBLY sick, I went
and just spilled my guts to him. I'm just troubled, as it seems to be getting
to be more of an issue after the initial detox phase wore off a little bit
(that first week or so).

I don't take any other drugs, and so that isn't a problem for certain.

thanks guys, farmer john needs to get some work done.

[JB]

"Bpyboy" <bpyboy@aol.com> wrote in message news:20031018134534.15239.00001076@mb-m23.aol.com...
> Hi guys,
<snip>

> Anyways, I still have been suffering from really wierd sleeping problems, and
> still feel like shit when I get up in the morning. I have been sober for a
> couple months now, and have conciously tried to improve my diet, lay off the
> caffiene, and get in some excersise (a lot of bike riding, canoeing, and
> walking the dogs).
>
> But I STILL wake up, after a couple months, to this crazy dizziness and nausia,
> just like when I was drinking.
>
> What's the deal with that? did anyone else have a similar experience?

Hi John,

I think it was Moonraker who recently suggested a causal link between breathing while sleeping and
nightmares/early morning feelings.

My husband used to not sleep well at night. In the early 1990's, he was admitted to hospital for
tests to ascertain the state of his carbon dioxide/ oxygen levels while sleeping. It was
immediately discovered that he was breathing like someone who'd climbed Mount Everest *without*
breathing apparatus. His doctor told us that if our bodies are working correctly, we don't need to
think about our breathing. However, if it's not, we have to a make a conscious effort to breath.
When we sleep, we rely on our bodies to take responsibility for ensuring that we keep on breathing.
If something causes this automatic control system to malfunction, we get disturbed sleep and wake up
feeling awful. Since being prescribed a machine which pushes positive pressure into his lungs via
nasal pillows for use at night, my husband has good sleep at night almost every night. If you would
like to find out whether or not your sleep is disturbed by a malfunctioning body, I think it likely
you will need to be attend a sleep clinic.

Although drink may have played a part in my husband developing night-time breathing difficulties, it
was more likely due to his polio. If Moonraker knows that the sleeping problems he's had were most
likely caused by drink damaging his body and he thinks it possible that yours might also be, then
any advice he offers would, IMO, be worth considering..

Hope this helps a bit..

Best regards

JB

[Bpyboy]

thanks JB, I'm scheduled for a sleep study at the university sleep center on
Tues.

I hope they can figure something out, i'm thinking more and more that the
problem doesn't have a lot to do with my being in recovery (or, hell, for that
matter, NOT being in recovery). There is some physical (and maybe
psychological?) problem that is raising all kinds of hell.

i have been looking into the possible causes, but trying to be careful about
not going in there with all sorts of theories about things.

Last time (and i could not BELIEVE how easy this was), I went in, and as a side
note, asked about Wellbutrin to help with getting off of cigarettes, and walked
out with a PHARMACY of samples, and a load of perscriptions for some high-test
drugs like Valium, .....

the ADs got me REALLY sick, but i'm most certain that had to do with whacking
them down with pints of beer (I MAY have neglected to tell my doctor about
that?)

but still, I'm sort of leaving it up to them, at least until they recomend
something. I DID take my doctor's advice and stop taking the sleeping
medication that he gave me for now, until we rule out some other things.

[rosie read and post]

> the ADs got me REALLY sick, but i'm most certain that had to do with
whacking
> them down with pints of beer (I MAY have neglected to tell my doctor
about
> that?)


:)))))))))))))))))))))))))



>
I DID take my doctor's advice and stop taking the sleeping
> medication that he gave me for now, until we rule out some other
things.

great idea!
best of everything to you!

[JB]

John,

I am hoping that your drs will very soon discover what is causing your problems and be able to solve
them quickly and simply.

Best regards

JB

"Bpyboy" <bpyboy@aol.com> wrote in message news:20031019175830.17326.00001425@mb-m16.aol.com...
> thanks JB, I'm scheduled for a sleep study at the university sleep center on
> Tues.
>
> I hope they can figure something out, i'm thinking more and more that the
> problem doesn't have a lot to do with my being in recovery (or, hell, for that
> matter, NOT being in recovery). There is some physical (and maybe
> psychological?) problem that is raising all kinds of hell.
>
> i have been looking into the possible causes, but trying to be careful about
> not going in there with all sorts of theories about things.
>
> Last time (and i could not BELIEVE how easy this was), I went in, and as a side
> note, asked about Wellbutrin to help with getting off of cigarettes, and walked
> out with a PHARMACY of samples, and a load of perscriptions for some high-test
> drugs like Valium, .....
>
> the ADs got me REALLY sick, but i'm most certain that had to do with whacking
> them down with pints of beer (I MAY have neglected to tell my doctor about
> that?)
>
> but still, I'm sort of leaving it up to them, at least until they recomend
> something. I DID take my doctor's advice and stop taking the sleeping
> medication that he gave me for now, until we rule out some other things.

[Moonraker]

"Bpyboy" <bpyboy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031019175830.17326.00001425@mb-m16.aol.com...
> and walked
> out with a PHARMACY of samples, and a load of perscriptions for some
high-test
> drugs like Valium, .....

That's why they call it the "practice" of medicine. ;>)


>

[Evey]

Every morning is a good morning as long as I am sober. Even in the beginng
few months of this new life of recovery. I had many sleep and nightmare
distubances until at least 6 months sober, and naturally so. Withdrawl takes
along time. We were a long time poisoning our bodies. There is a period of
early withdrawl called " A FOG". During this time I felt as if my body and
my head did not fit together. But you know as they say, "THIS TOO SHALL
PASS" and it does. Just keep taking good care of yourself and Keep Coming
Back. It gets better. And one day you"ll wake up and realize that you have
come out of the fog and be amazed. All will be Well, Evey


"Bpyboy" <bpyboy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031018134534.15239.00001076@mb-m23.aol.com...
> Hi guys,
> I'm just now in the process of getting ready to "winterize" my garden
(read
> TRUCK loads of good organic horse manure other goodies!!)
>
> Anyways, I still have been suffering from really wierd sleeping problems,
and
> still feel like shit when I get up in the morning. I have been sober for
a
> couple months now, and have conciously tried to improve my diet, lay off
the
> caffiene, and get in some excersise (a lot of bike riding, canoeing, and
> walking the dogs).
>
> But I STILL wake up, after a couple months, to this crazy dizziness and
nausia,
> just like when I was drinking.
>
> What's the deal with that? did anyone else have a similar experience?
>
> I have consulted my doctor on the matter, and my liver and other functions
seem
> to be ok. He thought it may be a problem with sugar levels (with the
light
> headedness and tingling in my hands and things), and so gave me a blood
sugar
> machine to test it out, several times a day. I test it before and after
> eating, and have HONESTLY been eating one hell of a lot better than when I
was
> drinking (when I lived mainly on fast food and coffee). Well, the sugar
looks
> good, and is pretty consistant. I have a diabetic friend that took me to
> school about using that thing properly. These days, it's mainly low fat
> protien like tuna sandwiches, a salad about 5 times a week, NO caffiene.
> Really, a much better diet than I have had since I moved away from mom's
house.
>
>
> So what the bloody hell is the deal? I make a special point to stay
hydrated
> properly, and drink a lot of veggie and fruit juice. I eat vitamins with
meals
> (they KILL my stomach if I try and just whack them down with a glass of
milk or
> something).
>
> I don't know guys, what sorts of questions should I be asking my doctor
about
> this? There is obviously some medical problem going on here, but it isn't
> being detected through lab tests
>
> I don't really know if the sleep problems are spawning other physical
problems
> (a LOT going on these days--pretty stressful and troubling) and that is
the
> reason? I'm typically ok about a half hour after getting up and moving.
That
> first couple minutes though, it's pure hell. I just wake up with these
spins,
> not too different from the ones I would have after a good vodka
bender--but
> without the vodka!
>
> I haven't taken a drink since about mid-summer (july sometime I think) and
so
> don't really understand what the deal is with this. I had some ulceration
and
> esophagitis (which I'M CERTAIN didn't have anything to do with drinking)
that
> was detected with some barium X-rays, but that seems to be going away just
> fine, thanks to not pounding all that booze, and eating properly. (I got
> another X-ray a little while ago, and it seems to be healing up ok--and
the
> pain is all but gone).
>
> But STILL I wake up with these "spins" and yesterday morning, could hardly
make
> it out to my back yard I was so dizzy. I would like some advice on some
> questions I might ask the Doc. about this?
>
> He knows all about my drinking history--last time I got TERRIBLY sick, I
went
> and just spilled my guts to him. I'm just troubled, as it seems to be
getting
> to be more of an issue after the initial detox phase wore off a little bit
> (that first week or so).
>
> I don't take any other drugs, and so that isn't a problem for certain.
>
> thanks guys, farmer john needs to get some work done.

[Mistar Urdd \(hank\)]

> These days, it's mainly low fat
>protien like tuna sandwiches, a salad about 5 times a >week,

Simplistic, but maybe try eating some carbs before bed, sounds like the same
problem as people who do atkins diet.

[J. Rockford]

In article <3f9e4661_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, hank\
<Suk_HanK@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > These days, it's mainly low fat
> >protien like tuna sandwiches, a salad about 5 times a >week,
>
> Simplistic, but maybe try eating some carbs before bed, sounds like the same
> problem as people who do atkins diet.

I did the atkins diet for a few weeks I was craving those carbs so much
it made me want to go on a beer drunk really bad. I was close to
getting drunk but ordered a pizza instead, that fixed the beer craving.
Better a bit porky than a sick useless drunk!

I think I'll try the Chet "Adkins" diet instead- Eat a double
cheeseburger and play guitar for an hour.

Mike

[Bpyboy]

hey mike, I'm with you man!

[amyotte]

>
> I think I'll try the Chet "Adkins" diet instead- Eat a double
> cheeseburger and play guitar for an hour.
>

LOL - That does better than the Low Carb way of eating I am roughly following. :)

Brian

[rosie read and post]

> >
> > I think I'll try the Chet "Adkins" diet instead- Eat a double
> > cheeseburger and play guitar for an hour.
> >


don't forget to "dump" the bun....................
:)