Reflections

[rosie read and post]

Reflections for Beginners
from
'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
- by Shelly Marshall
the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books




Whatever is on our mind at this time is probably something we can
do nothing about just now. We're fighting a fatal disease here and our
recovery is our TOP PRIORITY. Other considerations will simply have to
wait.

Help me to prioritize my needs: clean time, sober time, recovery.

[Virtualoso]

In article <oxxjb.30170$%C5.18509@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
and post <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Whatever is on our mind at this time is probably something we can
> do nothing about just now. We're fighting a fatal disease here and our
> recovery is our TOP PRIORITY. Other considerations will simply have to
> wait.
>
> Help me to prioritize my needs: clean time, sober time, recovery.

Huh? Recovery of taking care of things, including having them very much
and well on our mind, *is* "recovery." In fact, eliminating needless
self-absorption and excusing one's self from even the more rigorous of
activity and involvement, can be a central method of "recovery" as well
-- including the most active ingredients.

Prioritizing mere "time" is not *doing* anything. The "time" we have is
right now. Always. It's not necessary to pre-emptively assume that we
"probably can do nothing about" other matters. Especially if taking
care of life's matters betteris exactly what ought to be recovered.

It's unclear what "fighting a fatal disease" amounts to, in manifest
time and effort, otherwise. Does it take all day, every day, and to the
exclusion of all else for "The First 30 Days"?

[rosie read and post]

> > Help me to prioritize my needs: clean time, sober time,
recovery.
>
> Huh? Recovery of taking care of things, including having them very
much
> and well on our mind, *is* "recovery."


this daily meditation is for the newcomer, and i must agree that
OVERWHELMING ourselves in early recovery (with everyday details) is best
avoided, if possible.
learning to go a whole day without drinking/drugging was a big deal for
me!
YMMV,
rosie

[Virtualoso]

In article <rWyjb.33677$pg7.15402@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
and post <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Help me to prioritize my needs: clean time, sober time,
> recovery.
> >
> > Huh? Recovery of taking care of things, including having them very
> much
> > and well on our mind, *is* "recovery."
>
>
> this daily meditation is for the newcomer, and i must agree that
> OVERWHELMING ourselves in early recovery (with everyday details) is best
> avoided, if possible.
> learning to go a whole day without drinking/drugging was a big deal for
> me!

All the easier to go the whole day if occupied with concrete, real
activities of life, rather than sitting around fretting about drinking
or "recovery" -- whatever that is, aside from doing plenty of right
living.

[rosie read and post]

>
> All the easier to go the whole day if occupied with concrete, real
> activities of life, rather than sitting around fretting about drinking
> or "recovery" -- whatever that is, aside from doing plenty of right
> living.--


well.....................WHATEVER WORKS for you!





read and post daily, it works!
rosie

Love cures. It cures those who give it and it cures those who receive
it.
.......................Dr. Karl Menninger





"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in message
news:161020031730573716%virtualoso@dot.com...
> In article <rWyjb.33677$pg7.15402@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
> and post <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Help me to prioritize my needs: clean time, sober time,
> > recovery.
> > >
> > > Huh? Recovery of taking care of things, including having them very
> > much
> > > and well on our mind, *is* "recovery."
> >
> >
> > this daily meditation is for the newcomer, and i must agree that
> > OVERWHELMING ourselves in early recovery (with everyday details) is
best
> > avoided, if possible.
> > learning to go a whole day without drinking/drugging was a big deal
for
> > me!
>
> All the easier to go the whole day if occupied with concrete, real
> activities of life, rather than sitting around fretting about drinking
> or "recovery" -- whatever that is, aside from doing plenty of right
> living.

[Virtualoso]

In article <5oHjb.32038$%C5.11718@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
and post <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >
> > All the easier to go the whole day if occupied with concrete, real
> > activities of life, rather than sitting around fretting about drinking
> > or "recovery" -- whatever that is, aside from doing plenty of right
> > living.--
>
>
> well.....................WHATEVER WORKS for you!

Hasn't worked for you, eh?

[rosie read and post]

virt,
i happen to agree with the reading...........................keeping my
life as SIMPLE as possible in those early years, was fundamental to my
recovery.
even now, many years later, i still remind myself, NOT to overdue.

why bother?
i like my relaxed, sober, lifestyle.

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

Love cures. It cures those who give it and it cures those who receive
it.
.......................Dr. Karl Menninger





"Virtualoso" <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in message
news:161020031841378135%virtualoso@dot.com...
> In article <5oHjb.32038$%C5.11718@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
> and post <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > All the easier to go the whole day if occupied with concrete, real
> > > activities of life, rather than sitting around fretting about
drinking
> > > or "recovery" -- whatever that is, aside from doing plenty of
right
> > > living.--
> >
> >
> > well.....................WHATEVER WORKS for you!
>
> Hasn't worked for you, eh?

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read and post" <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9RJjb.51843$832.38082@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> virt,
> i happen to agree with the reading...........................keeping my
> life as SIMPLE as possible in those early years, was fundamental to my
> recovery.
> even now, many years later, i still remind myself, NOT to overdue.
>
> why bother?
> i like my relaxed, sober, lifestyle.
>
> --
From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:31:22 GMT

>YES, whatever works!
>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST
>drink/drug,
>but i don't expect
>everyone to do so, just because i did!

>it works for me!
From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>

actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term experience with
the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
i have however had to take several different meds as each once finally
"wears
out" and i need to change.

"rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
<uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>

>if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would like to read
>about it!

[Virtualoso]

In article <9RJjb.51843$832.38082@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, rosie read
and post <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote:

> virt,
> i happen to agree with the reading...........................keeping my
> life as SIMPLE as possible in those early years, was fundamental to my
> recovery.
> even now, many years later, i still remind myself, NOT to overdue.
>
> why bother?
> i like my relaxed, sober, lifestyle.

Well, I have no idea what you might regard as either "simple" or
"overdo". But I noticed in "the reading" it referred to what's on
someone's mind (completely undefined) and urged them to idleness as
though necessary for "recovery." Whole lotta' room for assumptions to
be inserted in such ambiguous formulas, eh?

"Why bother"? With what?

[Tom G.]

"Robert McGregor" wrote in message:

> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <l%Rl5.19132$E05.337271@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech. net>
>
> actually, i would have to say that i have had GOOD long term experience
with
> the treatment of my depression over the past 13yrs.
> i have however had to take several different meds as each once finally
> "wears
> out" and i need to change.


Who decides whether your drug has "worn out" or not,
you or the doctor...?? And how much of the stuff you take...??
There's nothing wrong with drugs, prescribed by a doctor and
taken as prescribed. Some miraculous advances have taken
place for sufferers of depression. Self medicating, though, is
the same as abuse, imo... Remember, Rush was a self-medicator...

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> "rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
> <uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>
>
> >if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would like to
read
> >about it!
>
>

[rosie read and post]

you are correct tom, there have been some BIG advances made in the
treatment of depression.
i have been very fortunate to have had some of the finest doctors in my
area, taking care of me....................(they make all final
decisions for me, where antidepressants are concerned.)
i thank HP, AA and the fellowship, for helping me to stay alive long
enough to get treatment for my depression.

rosie


"Tom G." <thegoz@dipshit.com> wrote in message
news:nWYjb.91578$k74.68845@lakeread05...

> Who decides whether your drug has "worn out" or not,
> you or the doctor...?? And how much of the stuff you take...??
> There's nothing wrong with drugs, prescribed by a doctor and
> taken as prescribed. Some miraculous advances have taken
> place for sufferers of depression.............................

> \\ - - //
> ( @ @ )
> ---oOOo-(_)-oOOo---------------
> Tom Gosnell thegoz@cox.net
> --------------Oooo-------------
> oooO ( )
> ( ) ) /
> \ ( (_/
> \_)
>
> > "rosie@readandpost" wrote in Message
> > <uoCc6.24059$Af.608669@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>
> >
> > >if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure would like
to
> read
> > >about it!
> >
> >
>
>

[Virtualoso]

In article <nWYjb.91578$k74.68845@lakeread05>, Tom G.
<thegoz@dipshit.com> wrote:

> There's nothing wrong with drugs, prescribed by a doctor and
> taken as prescribed.

Except when there's seriously wrong things with that