Agent_Orange
10-15-2003, 02:34 PM
"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message news:<bl4q8i$a58$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> "flammabe icarus" <none@usenet.net> wrote in message news:260920031819115419%none@usenet.net...
> > In article <LRNcb.12772$XF.10090898@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Mikey
> > <gubba@hobo.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > In my experience, it is (some, not all?) people in AA who insist that
> > AA is the "only way". I am personally staying away from drinking by,
> > among other things, reading a lot about alcoholism and taking up
> > hobbies that drinking in the past got in the way of me enjoying. I also
> > have good family support, and that seems to work fine.
>
> I have three questions:
>
> 1. How long have you been doing what you've being doing ?
That's a vague question. I've been breathing for 56 years.
If you mean not drinking, it's three years.
>
> 2. Is it your intention to not drink ever again ?
Correct. I have no desire to die in such a painful, horrible
way.
>
> 3. If your programme does not enable you to achieve whatever goal you've set yourself, will you tell
> us ?
>
> JB
It isn't a program. That's the thing. A.A. members keep repeating
the word "program" as if the twelve steps were a formula for the
sober life, instead of a formula for becoming a true believer
in a cult -- which is what Frank Buchman created those practices
for.
As I already said, that vast majority, 80%, of the successful
quitters do it alone, without any cult religion or so-called
"support group."
As Paul Roesbury so elegantly put it, "Try the one-step program.
Just quit drinking."
* Agent Orange *
* agent_orange@linuxmail.org *
* AA and Recovery Cult Debunking *
* http://aorange1.tripod.com/ *
** Being surrounded by a group of people who keep telling
** you that you are powerless over alcohol, and that your
** will power is useless, is not getting "support". It is
** getting sabotaged.
** With friends like them, you don't need any enemies.
> "flammabe icarus" <none@usenet.net> wrote in message news:260920031819115419%none@usenet.net...
> > In article <LRNcb.12772$XF.10090898@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Mikey
> > <gubba@hobo.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > In my experience, it is (some, not all?) people in AA who insist that
> > AA is the "only way". I am personally staying away from drinking by,
> > among other things, reading a lot about alcoholism and taking up
> > hobbies that drinking in the past got in the way of me enjoying. I also
> > have good family support, and that seems to work fine.
>
> I have three questions:
>
> 1. How long have you been doing what you've being doing ?
That's a vague question. I've been breathing for 56 years.
If you mean not drinking, it's three years.
>
> 2. Is it your intention to not drink ever again ?
Correct. I have no desire to die in such a painful, horrible
way.
>
> 3. If your programme does not enable you to achieve whatever goal you've set yourself, will you tell
> us ?
>
> JB
It isn't a program. That's the thing. A.A. members keep repeating
the word "program" as if the twelve steps were a formula for the
sober life, instead of a formula for becoming a true believer
in a cult -- which is what Frank Buchman created those practices
for.
As I already said, that vast majority, 80%, of the successful
quitters do it alone, without any cult religion or so-called
"support group."
As Paul Roesbury so elegantly put it, "Try the one-step program.
Just quit drinking."
* Agent Orange *
* agent_orange@linuxmail.org *
* AA and Recovery Cult Debunking *
* http://aorange1.tripod.com/ *
** Being surrounded by a group of people who keep telling
** you that you are powerless over alcohol, and that your
** will power is useless, is not getting "support". It is
** getting sabotaged.
** With friends like them, you don't need any enemies.