A brief story showing the honesty and integrity of Steppers fromthe AA literature

[Ken]

Hello All,

I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack.
It is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA
conference-approved (official) literature. Here is an the account of the
dishonesty AA members including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and
to sell the Big Book shortly after it was published:

“[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released
asylum inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard
experience told us this was a real possibility. How could such a
calamity be averted?

Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where
we would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full
faith now restored, solemnly declared that ‘God would provide.’
....Grumbling loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several
days we took turns staying with him right around the clock, never
letting him get out of our sight . . .

Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
heart-stirring three minutes.”

[from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]

What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
found in AA.

[(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous
World Services]

What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
to promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender
that they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for
"Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[DaveB]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:04:37 -0700, Ken <user@nowhere.com> wrote:

><snip gibber>

>What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
>to promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender
>that they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for
>"Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
>lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
>days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.
>
>Ken Ragge
>http://www.morerevealed.com

Welcome Back Ken,

I hope your stay at the asylum improved your "Mental Condition"

Didn't the doctors advise you from making an idiot of yourself in
public forums?

Please take your medications as prescribed and try to to drool.

Good Luck



Daveb

[DaveB]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:47:45 GMT, (DaveB) wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:04:37 -0700, Ken <user@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>><snip gibber>
>
>>What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
>>to promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender
>>that they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for
>>"Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
>>lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
>>days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>Welcome Back Ken,
>
>I hope your stay at the asylum improved your "Mental Condition"
>
>Didn't the doctors advise you from making an idiot of yourself in
>public forums?
>
>Please take your medications as prescribed and try not to drool.
>
>Good Luck
>
>
>
>Daveb

Daveb

[Ken]

DaveB wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:04:37 -0700, Ken <user@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> <snip gibber>
>
>> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
>> to promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender
>> that they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for
>> "Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
>> lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
>> days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.
>>
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
> Welcome Back Ken,
>
> I hope your stay at the asylum improved your "Mental Condition"
>
> Didn't the doctors advise you from making an idiot of yourself in
> public forums?
>
> Please take your medications as prescribed and try to to drool.
>
> Good Luck
>
>
>
> Daveb

Dave,

Do you mean to say that you are offended by someone posting excerpts
from AA's very own official literature? Is there some problem with
people knowing the reason for "Anonymity at the media level"? The AA
literature is replete with examples of the failures of the Oxford Group
(the group that the supposed first 100, actually about forty, who would
later call themselves AAs belonged to when the Big Book and Steps were
written) because of the harm the public drunkenness of people who had
been promoting the group as salvation for drunkenness previously had
caused. The literature is very clear about it. Would you like some more
excerpts? Do you know about the Firestone heir?

And remember, as they say in AA, "Point a finger at someone else you are
pointing three at yourself." Or is that just to be used by group
elders, those with Time, against the "pigeons" as Dr. Bob called them?

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp

[Been There Got A Mug]

Ken wrote:
> That is the reason for
> "Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
> lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
> days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.

Thanks for sharing Ken.

May I retort.

It's amazing how you can quote an incidence in all those thousands of
pages
of AA literature and twist it into some dark, hidden, terriblely
conceived
banter of secret maneuvers so it fits into your agenda of AA bashing.

I have to admit that your better read on the subject than I certainly
am.
I'm not OCD about AA one way or the other. Been there, Done that !
It must keep you at home instead of driving head long into a family of
four
coming back from a family outing after attending your moderated
drinking meeting.

Did you forgot to include in you little book report that Mr. Morgan
had been
a very successful drunk before the intervention and their attempts
to keep him sober was so he could keep his commitment to the
engagement
he had agreed to participate in ?

C minus for accuracy.

Cheers.
Keep coming back.
It works if you work it.

[Gail]

"Ken" <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:e85e2$44e8f7f4$4396fd13$7753@DIALUPUSA.NET...
> Hello All,
>
> I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
> when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack. It
> is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA conference-approved
> (official) literature. Here is an the account of the dishonesty AA members
> including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and to sell the Big Book
> shortly after it was published:
>
> “[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released asylum
> inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard experience
> told us this was a real possibility. How could such a calamity be averted?
>
> Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
> locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
> salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where we
> would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full faith
> now restored, solemnly declared that ‘God would provide.’ ...Grumbling
> loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several days we took
> turns staying with him right around the clock, never letting him get out
> of our sight . . .
>
> Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
> voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
> heart-stirring three minutes.”
>
> [from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
> York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]
>
> What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
> found in AA.
>
> [(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World
> Services]
>
> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air to
> promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender that
> they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for "Anonymity at
> the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even lie through
> their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide days or weeks
> later, the public doesn't know about it.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com

Good to see you posting, Ken! Really!
I used to feel like a lot of the people in here seem to feel about you and
your informaton that you post. I believe I may have even called you a few
choice words back when. I am sorry if I did. In all, I have never seen you
get nasty, accuse, or call people names when discussing your opinion or
belief. I admire that. Hope you stick around.
Gail

[DaveB]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:35:51 -0500, "Gail"
<dranoelliag@(removethis)yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Ken" <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:e85e2$44e8f7f4$4396fd13$7753@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
>> when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack. It
>> is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA conference-approved
>> (official) literature. Here is an the account of the dishonesty AA members
>> including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and to sell the Big Book
>> shortly after it was published:
>>
>> “[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released asylum
>> inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard experience
>> told us this was a real possibility. How could such a calamity be averted?
>>
>> Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
>> locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
>> salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where we
>> would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full faith
>> now restored, solemnly declared that ‘God would provide.’ ...Grumbling
>> loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several days we took
>> turns staying with him right around the clock, never letting him get out
>> of our sight . . .
>>
>> Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
>> voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
>> heart-stirring three minutes.”
>>
>> [from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
>> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
>> York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]
>>
>> What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
>> found in AA.
>>
>> [(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World
>> Services]
>>
>> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air to
>> promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender that
>> they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for "Anonymity at
>> the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even lie through
>> their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide days or weeks
>> later, the public doesn't know about it.
>>
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>Good to see you posting, Ken! Really!
>I used to feel like a lot of the people in here seem to feel about you and
>your informaton that you post. I believe I may have even called you a few
>choice words back when. I am sorry if I did. In all, I have never seen you
>get nasty, accuse, or call people names when discussing your opinion or
>belief. I admire that. Hope you stick around.
>Gail
>
>
Hiya Gail (ltns) hope things are well.

Best
Daveb

[Ken]

Been There Got A Mug wrote:
> Ken wrote:
>> That is the reason for
>> "Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
>> lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
>> days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.
>
> Thanks for sharing Ken.
>
> May I retort.
>
> It's amazing how you can quote an incidence in all those thousands of
> pages
> of AA literature and twist it into some dark, hidden, terriblely
> conceived
> banter of secret maneuvers so it fits into your agenda of AA bashing.

Been There,

This is too funny. You are not only not at all familiar with AA's
official history, you aren't even familiar with AA's official published
literature. There aren't quite thousands of pages. There are only four
books:

* Alcoholics Anonymous (the "Big Book" which was written before there
was an AA, when those who later called themselves AA were Oxford Group's
"Alcoholic Squad")
* AA Comes of Age
* Pass It On
* The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions

Of course, there are some pamphlets.

AA Comes of Age and Pass It On are the ones that deal with AA's history.

> I have to admit that your better read on the subject than I certainly
> am.

Yes. You apparently are totally unread, even from the official AA
sources, and yet when I echo what is written in the small body of
official literature, you have no problem insisting I'm wrong. Of course,
you have no way of knowing that and it is a simple, uneducated, ignorant
knee jerk response.

> I'm not OCD about AA one way or the other. Been there, Done that !
> It must keep you at home instead of driving head long into a family of
> four
> coming back from a family outing after attending your moderated
> drinking meeting.

You have such a short memory and are so confused. I can only assume
this is in reference to Audrey Kishline, the founder of Moderation
Management. She decided she was a real alcoholic and needed to abstain.
She resigned her position at Moderation Management and joined AA several
months before the accident. Perhaps she was headed to or from an AA
meeting on the night she killed those people.

Of course, the NCADD press release only reported that she was the
founder of MM. They said nothing about her resigning and being an AA
member when she killed those people. I guess they were practicing "the
spiritual principle of Anonymity." Of course, their misrepresentations
about her and the accident, pretending she wasn't an AA at the time, is,
according to most non-Steppers, simple deceit.

> Did you forgot to include in you little book report that Mr. Morgan
> had been
> a very successful drunk before the intervention and their attempts
> to keep him sober was so he could keep his commitment to the
> engagement
> he had agreed to participate in ?

What do you mean "very successful drunk"? I have no reason to believe
that he wasn't very good at getting very drunk and his fellow AAs, Bill
Wilson included, thought he was likely still good at it. That is why
they locked him up. His commitment was to tell people about how he
overcame his drinking problem with the help of AA and the Big Book. If
his fellow AAs didn't believe he had overcome his drinking problems,
believed he needed to be locked up to keep him from getting drunk, why
did they put him on the air as an example of recovery to promote AA and
the Big Book?

While individual members are mostly very sincere, that is the kind of
"honesty" one gets from the organization of AA.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp

>
> C minus for accuracy.
>
> Cheers.
> Keep coming back.
> It works if you work it.
>

[Ken]

Gail wrote:
> "Ken" <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:e85e2$44e8f7f4$4396fd13$7753@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
>> when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack. It
>> is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA conference-approved
>> (official) literature. Here is an the account of the dishonesty AA members
>> including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and to sell the Big Book
>> shortly after it was published:
>>
>> “[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released asylum
>> inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard experience
>> told us this was a real possibility. How could such a calamity be averted?
>>
>> Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
>> locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
>> salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where we
>> would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full faith
>> now restored, solemnly declared that ‘God would provide.’ ...Grumbling
>> loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several days we took
>> turns staying with him right around the clock, never letting him get out
>> of our sight . . .
>>
>> Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
>> voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
>> heart-stirring three minutes.”
>>
>> [from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
>> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
>> York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]
>>
>> What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
>> found in AA.
>>
>> [(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World
>> Services]
>>
>> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air to
>> promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender that
>> they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for "Anonymity at
>> the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even lie through
>> their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide days or weeks
>> later, the public doesn't know about it.
>>
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
> Good to see you posting, Ken! Really!

Hi Gail,

Good to see you too. How have you been?

> I used to feel like a lot of the people in here seem to feel about you and
> your informaton that you post. I believe I may have even called you a few
> choice words back when. I am sorry if I did.

I don't remember you ever doing so, and if you did, it was no big deal.
Even away from Usenet I used to get death threats after "More
Revealed" was published. Name calling on Usenet is to be expected even
under the best of circumstances. :-)

> In all, I have never seen you
> get nasty, accuse, or call people names when discussing your opinion or
> belief.

Now I'm feeling bad about suggesting today to Been There that Stuart
might have a dementia diagnosis for him if he didn't remember having
already being caught in a lie. :-)

> I admire that. Hope you stick around.

I can't stick around too long. Aside from being rather busy, too much
Usenet and I tend to get caught up in the silly name calling and etc. too.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp

> Gail
>
>

[Gail]

<DaveB> wrote in message news:44e91f0d.30023550@news.dslextreme.com...
> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:35:51 -0500, "Gail"
> <dranoelliag@(removethis)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ken" <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:e85e2$44e8f7f4$4396fd13$7753@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
>>> when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack.
>>> It
>>> is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA
>>> conference-approved
>>> (official) literature. Here is an the account of the dishonesty AA
>>> members
>>> including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and to sell the Big Book
>>> shortly after it was published:
>>>
>>> "[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released
>>> asylum
>>> inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard experience
>>> told us this was a real possibility. How could such a calamity be
>>> averted?
>>>
>>> Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
>>> locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
>>> salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where
>>> we
>>> would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full
>>> faith
>>> now restored, solemnly declared that 'God would provide.' ...Grumbling
>>> loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several days we took
>>> turns staying with him right around the clock, never letting him get out
>>> of our sight . . .
>>>
>>> Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
>>> voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
>>> heart-stirring three minutes."
>>>
>>> [from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
>>> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
>>> York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]
>>>
>>> What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
>>> found in AA.
>>>
>>> [(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous
>>> World
>>> Services]
>>>
>>> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
>>> to
>>> promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender that
>>> they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for "Anonymity
>>> at
>>> the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even lie through
>>> their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide days or
>>> weeks
>>> later, the public doesn't know about it.
>>>
>>> Ken Ragge
>>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>>
>>Good to see you posting, Ken! Really!
>>I used to feel like a lot of the people in here seem to feel about you and
>>your informaton that you post. I believe I may have even called you a few
>>choice words back when. I am sorry if I did. In all, I have never seen you
>>get nasty, accuse, or call people names when discussing your opinion or
>>belief. I admire that. Hope you stick around.
>>Gail
>>
>>
> Hiya Gail (ltns) hope things are well.
>
> Best
> Daveb

Hiya yourself. Things are good. Thanks for asking.
Gail

[Gail]

"Ken" <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:e7a5e$44e924a3$4396f439$9174@DIALUPUSA.NET...
> Gail wrote:
>> "Ken" <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:e85e2$44e8f7f4$4396fd13$7753@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
>>> when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack.
>>> It is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA
>>> conference-approved (official) literature. Here is an the account of the
>>> dishonesty AA members including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and
>>> to sell the Big Book shortly after it was published:
>>>
>>> “[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released
>>> asylum inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard
>>> experience told us this was a real possibility. How could such a
>>> calamity be averted?
>>>
>>> Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
>>> locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
>>> salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where
>>> we would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full
>>> faith now restored, solemnly declared that ‘God would provide.’
>>> ...Grumbling loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several
>>> days we took turns staying with him right around the clock, never
>>> letting him get out of our sight . . .
>>>
>>> Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
>>> voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
>>> heart-stirring three minutes.”
>>>
>>> [from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
>>> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
>>> York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]
>>>
>>> What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
>>> found in AA.
>>>
>>> [(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous
>>> World Services]
>>>
>>> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
>>> to promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender
>>> that they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for
>>> "Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
>>> lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
>>> days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.
>>>
>>> Ken Ragge
>>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>>
>> Good to see you posting, Ken! Really!
>
> Hi Gail,
>
> Good to see you too. How have you been?

Good, thank you

>
>> I used to feel like a lot of the people in here seem to feel about you
>> and your informaton that you post. I believe I may have even called you
>> a few choice words back when. I am sorry if I did.
>
> I don't remember you ever doing so, and if you did, it was no big deal.
> Even away from Usenet I used to get death threats after "More Revealed"
> was published. Name calling on Usenet is to be expected even under the
> best of circumstances. :-)
>

From people associated with AA? Can't imagine anyone not associated with AA
wanting to shut you up.

>> In all, I have never seen you get nasty, accuse, or call people names
>> when discussing your opinion or belief.
>
> Now I'm feeling bad about suggesting today to Been There that Stuart might
> have a dementia diagnosis for him if he didn't remember having already
> being caught in a lie. :-)

At least you didn't accuse him of being dry drunk or drunk!

>
>> I admire that. Hope you stick around.
>
> I can't stick around too long. Aside from being rather busy, too much
> Usenet and I tend to get caught up in the silly name calling and etc. too.

Yeah, I find that I tend to do the same thing when I spent too much time in
here, too. Could possibly do it again if I started sticking around more.
Don't stay gone too long! You do get this group stirred when you arrive for
a visit. ;)

>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp
>
>> Gail
>>

[Been There Got A Mug]

Ken wrote:

>
> This is too funny. You are not only not at all familiar with AA's
> official history, you aren't even familiar with AA's official published
> literature. There aren't quite thousands of pages. There are only four
> books:

Thanks for sharing again Ken.

Yeah ,.. Yeah .. yeah .

Been there. Got some of those books, Read some of them. Came . I
learned. I left.
Got a cool mug too from rehab. $12000 one.

The thing is I'm done with that phase of my life.
AA helped me get through those times.
I didn't stay and dwell and rehash all that shit over and over, over,
over
like some do .. Including YOU !

The reason all the AA numbers you so proudly denouce over and over
is because people get better and move on.

Please add Bullshit answer here ->

Then I wander by here after 8 or so months and there is Ken still
flaming
away at the same old shit .. the lone protector of those lost souls
tempted by Satan AA Cult.

Get a life.

Same stuff over and over again.

I may wander back next year ..... likely your be still here.

PS : Your grade stays:

> > C minus for accuracy.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > Keep coming back.
> > It works if you work it.
> >

[Stuart]

Ken <user@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:e85e2$44e8f7f4$4396fd13$7753@DIALUPUSA.NET...
> Hello All,
>
> I think it rather useless to respond much to Stuart or Been There. Even
> when proven wrong, rather than admit it, they go on a personal attack.

"Personal attack?" What EXACTLY is the above noted statement? I have stated
to you AND this group numerous times Ken and will do so again right now,
just for clarity;
I don't feel AA has all the answers regarding problems with alcohol. living
or any other sociological cause. I will freely admit my own mistakes,
generally, but only when I actually feel that I have made one. You are the
one who perceives someone else has been "proven wrong".

You are no sociologist and that is why you bring your obsession to a
mickey-mouse place like this one. This is just a lay public newgroup where
most of us here are not really experts in this field. I include myself and
yourself to be in that category ie lay persons.

So why don't you get a day job, Ken?






> It is much more productive to post brief excerpts from AA
> conference-approved (official) literature. Here is an the account of the
> dishonesty AA members including Bill Wilson engaged in to promote AA and
> to sell the Big Book shortly after it was published:
>
> “[S]omebody sounded a note of caution: What if the lately released
> asylum inmate Morgan should be drunk the day of the broadcast! Hard
> experience told us this was a real possibility. How could such a
> calamity be averted?
>
> Very gently we suggested to a resentful Morgan that he would have to be
> locked up somewhere until the night of the broadcast. It took all of
> salesman Henry's wiles to put this one over, but he did. How and where
> we would lock him up was the only remaining question. Henry, with full
> faith now restored, solemnly declared that ‘God would provide.’
> ...Grumbling loudly, Morgan was conducted into captivity. For several
> days we took turns staying with him right around the clock, never
> letting him get out of our sight . . .
>
> Sighs of relief went up in every New York member's home when Morgan's
> voice was heard. He had hit the deadline without getting drunk. It was a
> heart-stirring three minutes.”
>
> [from pp. 174-175 AA 1957, Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age. New York:
> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services AA 1976, Alcoholics Anonymous. New
> York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services]
>
> What Morgan told of in the radio broadcast was of the recovery he had
> found in AA.
>
> [(1984):209-210 AA 1984, Pass It On. New York: Alcoholics Anonymous
> World Services]
>
> What the AA literature makes very clear is they put someone on the air
> to promote and praise AA that they were so afraid would go on a bender
> that they had to lock him up beforehand. That is the reason for
> "Anonymity at the media level," so members can publicly promote AA (even
> lie through their teeth) and when they go on a bender or commit suicide
> days or weeks later, the public doesn't know about it.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com