Dialectic Behavior Therapy

[Mike]

Hi folks,

I've been doing quite a bit of studying about the effectiveness of DBT
for Substance Abuse and Recovery from dysfunctional behaviors in
general. DBT has been accepted in the psychiatric community for over a
decade and has been proven effective in study after study.

I've just launched a (free) site, providing DBT training lesssions and
information about various recovery programs based on this clinically
proven approach. Please drop in and send me your feedback and advice:
http://www.truerecovery.org.

Thanks!

Mike

[Joe Jared]

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:35:51 -0700, Mike wrote:

> proven approach. Please drop in and send me your feedback and advice:
> http://www.truerecovery.org.

How about a slightly less arrogant sounding domain name?

--
http://www.oretek.com
If you see weird responses, please do not reply to them.
Simply visit http://www.oretek.com/kookwatch/

[Mike]

Okay, so maybe it wasn't the wisest of choices. Any other suggestions?
Domains are only a few bucks :)

Mike

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:35:51 -0700, Mike wrote:
>
> > proven approach. Please drop in and send me your feedback and advice:
> > http://www.truerecovery.org.
>
> How about a slightly less arrogant sounding domain name?
>
> --
> http://www.oretek.com
> If you see weird responses, please do not reply to them.
> Simply visit http://www.oretek.com/kookwatch/

[Mary E.]

Hi, just briefly looked at the site... one thing. States of Mind?
Well, they are "reasonable, emotional and wise" minds. Yet in your
further explanation of this concept, you changed reasonable mind to
rationable mind... maybe you should take another look at that...

I've attended DBT for over a year now... I don't have time to look at
the rest of your site now, but I'll check it out soon...

Another point... I don't really agree with you when you say DBT can
cure alcoholism or other addictions. It does the same thing a 12-step
program does. It teaches you how to live with the urges. You still
get them, you just train your mind to look at it a different way. It's
a way of living life. However, if you stray away from "continual
practice of DBT", you still have the addiction lurking in the
shadows...

You seem very optimistic about DBT, and I am too. But I have had
lapses. Basically, it's the same as AA with a different twist...
You're basically adapting a "new way of living life". With DBT, you
learn how to live life on life's terms, which is ultimately what AA
teaches you...

Good job though! it looks like you have a genuine interest in DBT and
I think it's great that you are spreading the word! You must be
careful, though, as DBT can be very complicated for someone who hasn't
been introduced to it to understand. Q & A is probably the best way to
learn it after reading the information, for there are many different
interpretations to it...

Good luck!

Mary


Mike wrote:
> Okay, so maybe it wasn't the wisest of choices. Any other suggestions?
> Domains are only a few bucks :)
>
> Mike
>
> Joe Jared wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:35:51 -0700, Mike wrote:
> >
> > > proven approach. Please drop in and send me your feedback and advice:
> > > http://www.truerecovery.org.
> >
> > How about a slightly less arrogant sounding domain name?
> >
> > --
> > http://www.oretek.com
> > If you see weird responses, please do not reply to them.
> > Simply visit http://www.oretek.com/kookwatch/

[Mike]

Mary,

My apologies for not getting back to you sooner, I haven't been
checking the newsgroups as often as I'd like.

Thank you so much for the feedback. I hadn't realized I changed
"reasonable" to "rational", good catch... I just changed as many as I
could find.

The site is still under development, but it's coming together slowly
but surely. I'm trying to be as accurate as I can... or at least as
accurate as I understand. If you see anything that's off base, I do
appreciate the feedback.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the differences between AA
and DBT. I am a fan of AA, and believe it's been very effective for
many, many people. AA provides much more personal support, on an
ongoing basis than DBT does, and there's a huge benefit to that.

At the same time, I believe that DBT teaches the skills necessary to
productively manage the stress in our lives, rather than
self-destructive behaviors. DBT provides guidance on what we can do,
where AA (in my opinion) teaches what we shouldn't do. It's one thing
to say, don't drink. It's another entirely to talk about ACCEPTS,
Self-Soothing, DEAR MAN, PLEASE, and others. There's nothing close to
Interpersonal Effectiveness or Emotion Regulation in AA, that I'm aware
of. If I've missed something in AA, please let me know.

What I've heard in AA is that this is an incurable illness. We're
either in recovery or relapse for the rest of our lives. I know
several people who've gone through DBT, who've practiced the skills and
gotten to a point where they really don't feel the urge any longer. I
know it's worked for them, and I can honestly say that my own urges
have significantly diminished. Nothing works for everyone, but I do
believe that DBT goes far beyond what AA even tries to do.

Thanks for the encouragment, it's always nice to hear. Can you tell me
a little more about your Q&A idea? I put up the message board to
facilitate discussion, I've added discussion capabilities at the end of
each lesson, and put up a decent chat room. If you have some other
ideas that you think would help teach the concepts better, let me know
and I'll try to incorporate them as best as I can.

Thanks again!

Mike
http://www.truerecovery.org

[readandpostrosie]

a suggestion for your site?

put your advertising at the bottom, or running down the side.

rosie






"Mike" <mpearl1@gmail.com> wrote in message
......................... If you have some other
> ideas that you think would help teach the concepts better, let me know
> and I'll try to incorporate them as best as I can.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Mike
> http://www.truerecovery.org
>

[kelly]

I've done DBT. I called it Diabolical Behavior Therapy. The program I
went thru was very repetitive. I felt like I was in kindergarten.
After 6 weeks, they recycled the info. I wasn't impressed. It may help
some people,but it didn't help me.

[Mike]

Rosie,

I think you're right. You're not the first person to suggest I do
this. This will take a little time, getting the layout to work. But
I'll put this on my list. Thanks!

Mike
http://www.truerecovery.org

readandpostrosie wrote:
> a suggestion for your site?
> put your advertising at the bottom, or running down the side.
> rosie

[Mike]

That's a shame. The information in the classes is actually quite good,
and very effective for most students. Sounds to me like there wasn't a
good "click" between your instructor's style and your personality. If
you ever feel like giving it another shot, stop by the site and take a
look. Either way, I wish you success.

Mike
http://www.truerecovery.org

kelly wrote:
> I've done DBT. I called it Diabolical Behavior Therapy. The program I
> went thru was very repetitive. I felt like I was in kindergarten.
> After 6 weeks, they recycled the info. I wasn't impressed. It may help
> some people,but it didn't help me.

[kelly]

Mike,

I think you might be right about me not clicking with the instructor,
but I also don't think I clicked with the others in the group. I didn't
give it a fair shot. I may have to check out your site. It won't hurt
to try again.

[Mike]

Your timing is impeccible! I was chatting with a fellow DBTer earlier
today, she was telling me that during one of the modules a "trainee
instructor" presented the material. That trainee spoke to everyone as
if they were naieve children, kindergarten tone of voice and all. The
ironic part of that, for her, was she got the sense that the trainee
really didn't understand the material herself.

I'd love to have you visit the site. Let me know if you decide to give
it another whirl. Best of luck to you!

Mike
http://www.truerecovery.org

kelly wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I think you might be right about me not clicking with the instructor,
> but I also don't think I clicked with the others in the group. I didn't
> give it a fair shot. I may have to check out your site. It won't hurt
> to try again.