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Charls Hagn
08-12-2006, 04:03 PM
This is the day the Lord hath made ,and I will rejoice and be glad in
it. Those who object to my references to God should not read further. It is
only by His grace that I Live today at all. The laundry list of trouble
alcohol steered me toward is far too lengthy to recount here, but, should I
post on occasion, my experiences, strengths, and hopes will be shared. Don't
get me wrong, I don't place on alcohol some supernatural powers, that it is
inherently evil, or even capable of harm in and of itself. To do so would
relieve me of the responsibility I must take for the destruction I left in
my wake.
I had an epiphany on Dec.28,2004, in a central Wisconsin jail cell,
after a dramatic arrest for my 3rd OWI, (BAC .328, on what I considered a
more or less average night. It's been higher.) As I sat shivering, and
pondering, "What have I become?", my Life played out before me. All the
failure and chaos, the considerable pain and sorrow I caused, I felt shame
for my own depression. I was beaten down, defeated. Projecting the loss of
my job, hence my living space and every material thing I owned, I
contemplated running again. "I've been homeless before, I can find a boxcar
or something on the west coast.", my cloudy thoughts ran. Cunning, baffling,
powerful, this thing that had me willing to isolate myself from the universe
just to hold the occasional bottle.
Then the (metaphorical) voice came. "Or", it said simply, as if to coax
me. A light came on. That moment was the turning point. I started with, "OK,
this isn't so bad, so I pay some fines, lose my license, go to treatment, go
to jail. I've been to treatment before. I can jump through the hoops of this
dog and pony show, tell them what they want to hear. Toby be good nigga."
Immediately rang out from inside me somewhere, "No. That is unacceptable.
The thing to do here IS to recover."
I decided to seek a path of righteousness, a positive direction in
which I
could Live and learn and grow. "Living right will be it's own reward.", I
was convinced. I knew this would require total honesty, for how could I
solve a problem(s) if I couldn't fully recognize it? Also, I knew I had to
seek all the info I could, and network w/the people who could help me. I
*must* succeed, or the consequences would be dire. I knew where to go. The
tools I learned in this program have become useful on occasion. The events
of heartache and depression that would once have me feeling hopeless, now
bring me to a serene place in my mind where I'm assured, "everything will be
alright.", and these simple little phrases that people in recovery use are
suddenly profound. Today, that phrase is, "There is no problem I have that
taking a drink won't make it worse." I will not take a drink today. My Life
may very well depend on it.
Charls...

big_tony
08-13-2006, 07:43 AM
> It is
> only by His grace that I Live today at all.

This infers that you are alive today because God chose you. If this be
true what makes you so special that he chose you to be alive today
rather than die from alcoholism? if Gods grace was all it took to get
and stay sober surely we wouldn't have to do a thing (help others, work
a program, pray/mediate, etc). He take care of it all. The only
people that claim this are people who think they are special and
different over the thousands of alcoholics who die each day in their
active disease. You are just an alcoholic who got sober because you
hit bottom, sought help and found support. That's all there is to it.


Although it's probably not intended the claim of "Gods grace" being the
healing restorative power in AA is probably extremely damaging. I'm
sober because of the effort i put in to sobriety. i still have the
illness and if i become complacent i grow spiritually sick, pick up and
eventually die. if i think God is keeping me sober i won't fear
becoming complacent because God's got me covered regardless of what i
do. Dangerous ground...

BT

angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com
08-13-2006, 08:34 AM
big_tony wrote:
> > It is
> > only by His grace that I Live today at all.
>
> This infers that you are alive today because God chose you. If this be
> true what makes you so special that he chose you to be alive today
> rather than die from alcoholism? if Gods grace was all it took to get
> and stay sober surely we wouldn't have to do a thing (help others, work
> a program, pray/mediate, etc). He take care of it all. The only
> people that claim this are people who think they are special and
> different over the thousands of alcoholics who die each day in their
> active disease. You are just an alcoholic who got sober because you
> hit bottom, sought help and found support. That's all there is to it.
>
>
> Although it's probably not intended the claim of "Gods grace" being the
> healing restorative power in AA is probably extremely damaging. I'm
> sober because of the effort i put in to sobriety. i still have the
> illness and if i become complacent i grow spiritually sick, pick up and
> eventually die. if i think God is keeping me sober i won't fear
> becoming complacent because God's got me covered regardless of what i
> do. Dangerous ground...
>
> BT

So millions of christians have it wrong, and you have it right?
ABM

big_tony
08-21-2006, 01:55 PM
> So millions of christians have it wrong, and you have it right?
> ABM

You missed the point. Sober alcoholics who say they are sober via Gods
grace think they are 'the chosen few' and special in Gods eyes. They
are mistaken.

lestat
08-27-2006, 05:40 AM
Well that was quite thoughtful of you to type in a few references about
God and religion before warning people who object to it not to read any
further. Don't get me wrong. I mean no disrespect to you. I just simply
have no use for religion in my life. But after reading your post I'm
thinking you have to have Guardian Angels circling around you 24/7. I
wish you the best.

Charls Hagn wrote:
> This is the day the Lord hath made ,and I will rejoice and be glad in
> it. Those who object to my references to God should not read further. It is
> only by His grace that I Live today at all. The laundry list of trouble
> alcohol steered me toward is far too lengthy to recount here, but, should I
> post on occasion, my experiences, strengths, and hopes will be shared. Don't
> get me wrong, I don't place on alcohol some supernatural powers, that it is
> inherently evil, or even capable of harm in and of itself. To do so would
> relieve me of the responsibility I must take for the destruction I left in
> my wake.
> I had an epiphany on Dec.28,2004, in a central Wisconsin jail cell,
> after a dramatic arrest for my 3rd OWI, (BAC .328, on what I considered a
> more or less average night. It's been higher.) As I sat shivering, and
> pondering, "What have I become?", my Life played out before me. All the
> failure and chaos, the considerable pain and sorrow I caused, I felt shame
> for my own depression. I was beaten down, defeated. Projecting the loss of
> my job, hence my living space and every material thing I owned, I
> contemplated running again. "I've been homeless before, I can find a boxcar
> or something on the west coast.", my cloudy thoughts ran. Cunning, baffling,
> powerful, this thing that had me willing to isolate myself from the universe
> just to hold the occasional bottle.
> Then the (metaphorical) voice came. "Or", it said simply, as if to coax
> me. A light came on. That moment was the turning point. I started with, "OK,
> this isn't so bad, so I pay some fines, lose my license, go to treatment, go
> to jail. I've been to treatment before. I can jump through the hoops of this
> dog and pony show, tell them what they want to hear. Toby be good nigga."
> Immediately rang out from inside me somewhere, "No. That is unacceptable.
> The thing to do here IS to recover."
> I decided to seek a path of righteousness, a positive direction in
> which I
> could Live and learn and grow. "Living right will be it's own reward.", I
> was convinced. I knew this would require total honesty, for how could I
> solve a problem(s) if I couldn't fully recognize it? Also, I knew I had to
> seek all the info I could, and network w/the people who could help me. I
> *must* succeed, or the consequences would be dire. I knew where to go. The
> tools I learned in this program have become useful on occasion. The events
> of heartache and depression that would once have me feeling hopeless, now
> bring me to a serene place in my mind where I'm assured, "everything will be
> alright.", and these simple little phrases that people in recovery use are
> suddenly profound. Today, that phrase is, "There is no problem I have that
> taking a drink won't make it worse." I will not take a drink today. My Life
> may very well depend on it.
> Charls...