Survey on Recovery

[BrianW]

Hi
I am completing a diploma in alcohol and other drugs. I am doing some
research on the best methods to assist recovery from drug (including
alcohol) addition. I am looking for people who would be prpared to
complete the survey, both professional workers and addicts (recovering
or otherwise).
If you would like to be part of the research go to
http://people.aapt.net.au/~bewc/AOD/index.htm

The survey is completely anonymous.

Happy for you to e-mail me if you want more details.

Brian

[ByTor]

In article <jebid2h88au24cvp5bu0efdculsjqtun0u@4ax.com>,
bewc@aapt.net.au says...

> Hi
> I am completing a diploma in alcohol and other drugs. I am doing some
> research on the best methods to assist recovery from drug (including
> alcohol) addition. I am looking for people who would be prpared to
> complete the survey, both professional workers and addicts (recovering
> or otherwise).
> If you would like to be part of the research go to
> http://people.aapt.net.au/~bewc/AOD/index.htm
>
> The survey is completely anonymous.
>
> Happy for you to e-mail me if you want more details.
>
> Brian
>
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Quoting from page:

"However, as I continue to define myself and remain in recovery, I have
been disillusioned by the number of people who move through a treatment
program and who are unable to maintain both sobriety and long term
recovery."

"There are large numbers of people who commence a treatment/recovery
program and who leave before completing the program. Also many people
graduating from such programs relapse into addictive behaviour."

"Why is this so?"

"Is it because the program doesn?t touch the real issues of why people
take drugs (including alcohol and nicotine) in the first place?"
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Bottom line? The commitment/desire to "stay stopped" just wasn't there.

And that opinion is not from standing under the "moral model" umbrella
either......It's just plain fact that most research tends to overlook.

Why people take drugs? Hmmmmmmmmm, because they may just plain like it
and that's why it's so hard to give up maybe.......

[BrianW]

Thanks for your comments, Tor. I hope you took the chance to complete
the survey - all opinions are welcome and are important to the
outcomes of the research.
In simple terms I agree with your sentiments. People like taking
drugs for the chemical response, which, in the main, causes no
problems and many people can live "normal" lives doing so.
My focus is on those whose lives, for whatever reason, go from
"normal" to disasterous (and I recognise they are a minority of
users). They may no longer like the drug's effect, be that chemical
or consequential in other ways, but they can't (wont?) change to
something less harmful.
Do they need (as distinct from want) help? If so, what is the best
help to give them? These are the questions I hope my research will
answer.
Brian


On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:01:36 -0400, ByTor <ByTor@snowdog.com> wrote:

>In article <jebid2h88au24cvp5bu0efdculsjqtun0u@4ax.com>,
>bewc@aapt.net.au says...
>
>> Hi
>> I am completing a diploma in alcohol and other drugs. I am doing some
>> research on the best methods to assist recovery from drug (including
>> alcohol) addition. I am looking for people who would be prpared to
>> complete the survey, both professional workers and addicts (recovering
>> or otherwise).
>> If you would like to be part of the research go to
>> http://people.aapt.net.au/~bewc/AOD/index.htm
>>
>> The survey is completely anonymous.
>>
>> Happy for you to e-mail me if you want more details.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Quoting from page:
>
>"However, as I continue to define myself and remain in recovery, I have
>been disillusioned by the number of people who move through a treatment
>program and who are unable to maintain both sobriety and long term
>recovery."
>
>"There are large numbers of people who commence a treatment/recovery
>program and who leave before completing the program. Also many people
>graduating from such programs relapse into addictive behaviour."
>
>"Why is this so?"
>
>"Is it because the program doesn?t touch the real issues of why people
>take drugs (including alcohol and nicotine) in the first place?"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bottom line? The commitment/desire to "stay stopped" just wasn't there.
>
>And that opinion is not from standing under the "moral model" umbrella
>either......It's just plain fact that most research tends to overlook.
>
>Why people take drugs? Hmmmmmmmmm, because they may just plain like it
>and that's why it's so hard to give up maybe.......

[OceanView]

BrianW <bewc@aapt.net.au> wrote in news:20kjd2l6jkk5oqs2k6ekp15inm13kk36t9@
4ax.com:

> Thanks for your comments, Tor. I hope you took the chance to complete
> the survey - all opinions are welcome and are important to the
> outcomes of the research.
> In simple terms I agree with your sentiments. People like taking
> drugs for the chemical response, which, in the main, causes no
> problems and many people can live "normal" lives doing so.
> My focus is on those whose lives, for whatever reason, go from
> "normal" to disasterous (and I recognise they are a minority of
> users). They may no longer like the drug's effect, be that chemical
> or consequential in other ways, but they can't (wont?) change to
> something less harmful.
> Do they need (as distinct from want) help? If so, what is the best
> help to give them? These are the questions I hope my research will
> answer.
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:01:36 -0400, ByTor <ByTor@snowdog.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <jebid2h88au24cvp5bu0efdculsjqtun0u@4ax.com>,
>>bewc@aapt.net.au says...
>>
>>> Hi
>>> I am completing a diploma in alcohol and other drugs. I am doing some
>>> research on the best methods to assist recovery from drug (including
>>> alcohol) addition. I am looking for people who would be prpared to
>>> complete the survey, both professional workers and addicts (recovering
>>> or otherwise).
>>> If you would like to be part of the research go to
>>> http://people.aapt.net.au/~bewc/AOD/index.htm
>>>
>>> The survey is completely anonymous.
>>>
>>> Happy for you to e-mail me if you want more details.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Quoting from page:
>>
>>"However, as I continue to define myself and remain in recovery, I have
>>been disillusioned by the number of people who move through a treatment
>>program and who are unable to maintain both sobriety and long term
>>recovery."
>>
>>"There are large numbers of people who commence a treatment/recovery
>>program and who leave before completing the program. Also many people
>>graduating from such programs relapse into addictive behaviour."
>>
>>"Why is this so?"
>>
>>"Is it because the program doesn?t touch the real issues of why people
>>take drugs (including alcohol and nicotine) in the first place?"
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Bottom line? The commitment/desire to "stay stopped" just wasn't there.
>>
>>And that opinion is not from standing under the "moral model" umbrella
>>either......It's just plain fact that most research tends to overlook.
>>
>>Why people take drugs? Hmmmmmmmmm, because they may just plain like it
>>and that's why it's so hard to give up maybe.......

For many of us, the drug simply stops working. My drug, alcohol, no longer
gave me the mental euphoria it once did, and I need a LOT of it just to
feel normal. In the process, I'd lost all my friends, my career and what
little self-respect I still had. My liver was enlarged, digestive problems,
irregular heartbeat, 70 pounds overweight, just some of the 'side-effects'
of the drug that no longer worked.

[KimStar]

"BrianW" wrote:
> Hi
> I am completing a diploma in alcohol and other drugs.

Wow, that's an interesting program! Where do classes meet? The local bar? A
back alley w/ pushers and alkies? I bet the homework and extra credit
assignments must be killing you!

Sorry. The comic in me simply could not resist that tantilizingly perfect
straight line.

> I am doing some
> research on the best methods to assist recovery from drug (including
> alcohol) addition. I am looking for people who would be prpared to
> complete the survey, both professional workers and addicts (recovering
> or otherwise).
> If you would like to be part of the research go to
> http://people.aapt.net.au/~bewc/AOD/index.htm
>
> The survey is completely anonymous.

Sorry to butt in here, but my husband works in survey research and one thing
I know from him is that going online to ask people to complete a survey
online is a very ineffective method for getting any kind of usable results.
It's as unscientific as it gets because there's no way to control for the
kind of sampling you get. If you're just looking to get a sense of the kinds
of things people w/ addictions will say in talking about the addictions,
it's one thiing. But if you hope to get usable information on determining
the best methods to assist recovery, an online survey tells you nothing. You
need to employ tested, scientific survey methods that allow for a random
sampling w/ the proper controls in place.

KimStar

[DaveB]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:32:01 GMT, "KimStar" <kimstar2856@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"BrianW" wrote:
>> Hi
>> I am completing a diploma in alcohol and other drugs.
>
>Wow, that's an interesting program! Where do classes meet? The local bar? A
>back alley w/ pushers and alkies? I bet the homework and extra credit
>assignments must be killing you!
>
>Sorry. The comic in me simply could not resist that tantilizingly perfect
>straight line.
>
>> I am doing some
>> research on the best methods to assist recovery from drug (including
>> alcohol) addition. I am looking for people who would be prpared to
>> complete the survey, both professional workers and addicts (recovering
>> or otherwise).
>> If you would like to be part of the research go to
>> http://people.aapt.net.au/~bewc/AOD/index.htm
>>
>> The survey is completely anonymous.
>
>Sorry to butt in here, but my husband works in survey research and one thing
>I know from him is that going online to ask people to complete a survey
>online is a very ineffective method for getting any kind of usable results.
>It's as unscientific as it gets because there's no way to control for the
>kind of sampling you get. If you're just looking to get a sense of the kinds
>of things people w/ addictions will say in talking about the addictions,
>it's one thiing. But if you hope to get usable information on determining
>the best methods to assist recovery, an online survey tells you nothing. You
>need to employ tested, scientific survey methods that allow for a random
>sampling w/ the proper controls in place.
>
>KimStar
>
>
smarty pant's

lol

Regards
Daveb

[KimStar]

<DaveB> wrote:

>>"KimStar" wrote:
<snip> But if you hope to get usable information on determining
>>the best methods to assist recovery, an online survey tells you nothing.
>>You
>>need to employ tested, scientific survey methods that allow for a random
>>sampling w/ the proper controls in place.

> smarty pant's
>
> lol

Not really. If I was a "smarty pants", I would correct your grammer right
now and point out that the word is "smarty pants" not "smarty pant's" (no
apostrophe, indicating posession rather than plural). But I don't do that
kind of snarky thing, precisely because I'm not a "smarty pants". ; )

Anyway, the only reason I happen to know about this is because my husband
just so happens to design research surveys for a living and he analyzes the
results to tell his clients what the survey shows. I don't know everything
about his work, but he has mentioend and explained a few things to me over
the course of many years, and the online survey thing is one of them, as
it's come up before.

KimStar

[DaveB]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:38:29 GMT, "KimStar" <kimstar2856@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>>>"KimStar" wrote:
><snip> But if you hope to get usable information on determining
>>>the best methods to assist recovery, an online survey tells you nothing.
>>>You
>>>need to employ tested, scientific survey methods that allow for a random
>>>sampling w/ the proper controls in place.
>
>> smarty pant's
>>
>> lol
>
>Not really. If I was a "smarty pants", I would correct your grammer right
>now and point out that the word is "smarty pants" not "smarty pant's" (no
>apostrophe, indicating posession rather than plural). But I don't do that
>kind of snarky thing, precisely because I'm not a "smarty pants". ; )
>
>Anyway, the only reason I happen to know about this is because my husband
>just so happens to design research surveys for a living and he analyzes the
>results to tell his clients what the survey shows. I don't know everything
>about his work, but he has mentioend and explained a few things to me over
>the course of many years, and the online survey thing is one of them, as
>it's come up before.
>
>KimStar
>
>


>I don't know everything about his work, but he has mentioend and explained a few things to me over
>>the course of many years, and the online survey thing is one of them, as
>>it's come up before.


mentioend?? just one spelling mistake......good job!

Dangling prepositions is something up with which I will not put.

Regards

Daveb

[KimStar]

<DaveB> wrote:

>> "KimStar" wrote:
>>Not really. If I was a "smarty pants", I would correct your grammer right
>>now and point out that the word is "smarty pants" not "smarty pant's" (no
>>apostrophe, indicating posession rather than plural). But I don't do that
>>kind of snarky thing, precisely because I'm not a "smarty pants". ; )
<snip>

> mentioend?? just one spelling mistake......good job!

aka a typo.

> Dangling prepositions is something up with which I will not put.

Just in case there was the slightest doubt, I was joking of course. (note
the emoticon at the end of my first graph)

KimStar

[DaveB]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:11:20 GMT, "KimStar" <kimstar2856@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
><DaveB> wrote:
>
>>> "KimStar" wrote:
>>>Not really. If I was a "smarty pants", I would correct your grammer right
>>>now and point out that the word is "smarty pants" not "smarty pant's" (no
>>>apostrophe, indicating posession rather than plural). But I don't do that
>>>kind of snarky thing, precisely because I'm not a "smarty pants". ; )
><snip>
>
>> mentioend?? just one spelling mistake......good job!
>
>aka a typo.
>
>> Dangling prepositions is something up with which I will not put.
>
>Just in case there was the slightest doubt, I was joking of course. (note
>the emoticon at the end of my first graph)
>
>KimStar
>
>
lmao...of course

Best
Daveb