Fallen off and run over by the wagon

[lestat]

When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into town
last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
club-hopping. The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way. We were up for 3
days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
has a chance to leave my system? I haven't eaten anything in days
simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
rehab. Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
Any advice would be appreciated.

[Tex]

On 8 Aug 2006 00:43:14 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:

Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.


>I am in no mood for
>rehab.


Sounds like you are having fun.

[angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com]

lestat wrote:
> When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into town
> last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
> club-hopping. The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
> Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
> Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
> rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way. We were up for 3
> days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
> wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
> Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
> sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
> has a chance to leave my system? I haven't eaten anything in days
> simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
> abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
> rehab. Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
> running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
> all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
> my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
> doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
> rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
> Any advice would be appreciated.

Whatever happens, meetings will just make it worse
ABM

[lestat]

Sounds like you're a fucking jackass!!

Tex wrote:
> On 8 Aug 2006 00:43:14 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
> wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
>
>
> >I am in no mood for
> >rehab.
>
>
> Sounds like you are having fun.

[lestat]

I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
to get around him if I can't stop on my own.

angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com wrote:
> lestat wrote:
> > When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into town
> > last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
> > club-hopping. The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
> > Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
> > Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
> > rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way. We were up for 3
> > days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
> > wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
> > Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
> > sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
> > has a chance to leave my system? I haven't eaten anything in days
> > simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
> > abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
> > rehab. Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
> > running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
> > all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
> > my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
> > doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
> > rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
> > Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Whatever happens, meetings will just make it worse
> ABM

[Robert McGregor]

lestat wrote:
> I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
> really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
> in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
> or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
> to get around him if I can't stop on my own.
>

At least, if you can keep the focus on alcohol but not on AA, your
compulsion to be a drama queen will probably remain unchallenged.

Bob

[lestat]

Drama queen? FUCK YOU. People log onto this site with questions and
expect to have some sort of support and answers to their questions, not
idiotic sarcastic comments thrown back at them. I post a message asking
for some advice on my situation. If you can't do that I'm obviously on
the wrong site!

Robert McGregor wrote:
> lestat wrote:
> > I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
> > really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
> > in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
> > or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
> > to get around him if I can't stop on my own.
> >
>
> At least, if you can keep the focus on alcohol but not on AA, your
> compulsion to be a drama queen will probably remain unchallenged.
>
> Bob

[DaveB]

On 9 Aug 2006 12:54:47 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Drama queen? FUCK YOU. People log onto this site with questions and
>expect to have some sort of support and answers to their questions, not
>idiotic sarcastic comments thrown back at them. I post a message asking
>for some advice on my situation. If you can't do that I'm obviously on
>the wrong site!
>

Ever think of not drinking? You seem to have all the answers as do
most of the dead drunks I knew.
Good Luck
Daveb

[Stuart]

You'll have to forgive Bob. He was injured more than he realized in a tragic
auto accident
lestat <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1155153287.664172.190900@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> Drama queen? FUCK YOU. People log onto this site with questions and
> expect to have some sort of support and answers to their questions, not
> idiotic sarcastic comments thrown back at them. I post a message asking
> for some advice on my situation. If you can't do that I'm obviously on
> the wrong site!
>
> Robert McGregor wrote:
> > lestat wrote:
> > > I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
> > > really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
> > > in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
> > > or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out
how
> > > to get around him if I can't stop on my own.
> > >
> >
> > At least, if you can keep the focus on alcohol but not on AA, your
> > compulsion to be a drama queen will probably remain unchallenged.
> >
> > Bob
>

[Dreamspinner3]

You need to decide to stop drinking, then seek help to do so. It is
as simple & as complex as that, as I have learned from watching my
husband struggle with his alcoholism for the past 19 years.

I've know a lot of drunks over the years, and the only way any of them
have stopped drinking is when they hit their bottom & sought out help
from AA or a treatment program. Those who tried or are tying to go it
alone have failed, including my husband.

Please seek help.

[Tex]

On 9 Aug 2006 11:05:18 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Sounds like you're a fucking jackass!!
>
>Tex wrote:
>> On 8 Aug 2006 00:43:14 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
>> wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
>>
>>
>> >I am in no mood for
>> >rehab.
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you are having fun.

Yeah I'm a jackass....why did they want to keep you? For your good
looks?

Keep having fun.

You bought the ticket to ride the train...now is that light you see in
the tunnel you're coming out a light into the bright sunshine or is it
another train coming your way?

Keep having fun.

You don't want aa fine...try something else.

Keep having fun.

[OceanView]

"lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1155147287.795806.280540
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
> really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
> in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
> or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
> to get around him if I can't stop on my own.
>
> angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> lestat wrote:
>> > When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into
town
>> > last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
>> > club-hopping. The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
>> > Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
>> > Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
>> > rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way. We were up for 3
>> > days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
>> > wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
>> > Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
>> > sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
>> > has a chance to leave my system? I haven't eaten anything in days
>> > simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
>> > abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
>> > rehab. Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
>> > running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
>> > all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
>> > my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
>> > doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
>> > rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
>> > Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> Whatever happens, meetings will just make it worse
>> ABM
>
>

Having been sober 19 years, and that I go to meetings regularly, I can tell
you this: I hated meetings the first few years, thought they were all
brainwashed idiots. Then I finally figured it out: I was in my own way.

There's a lot of help out there, but you have to want it and you have to
listen to people who know more than you about it. I"m not sayin I'm one of
them, I'm just saying try to be more open-minded.

Here's one fact to consider: Most 'programs' (rehabs, hospitals, etc)
requre large amounts of cash. In AA, put a dollar in the basket...if
you've got one.

Just my .02, but good luck with whatever you decide to do. I hope you make
it.

[lestat]

Ok, let me clue you in here. I quit drinking and was sober until a
friend came down and wanted to hit the clubs. We did, and I thought
since I had been sober, a few drinks wouldn't be a big deal. Thought
wrong, eh? I even posted on this site asking for some advice. I got
immature sarcasm and arrogance from the ones on this site. Obviously
not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. I'm working on my fuck up and am
doing well, even thought every day is still a struggle, as it was
before I fell off the wagon. As for AA, you could not pay me enough
money to set foot in a fucking church and attend a Christian meeting if
my life depended on it. I don't need a crutch to explain my actions!

Dreamspinner3 wrote:
> You need to decide to stop drinking, then seek help to do so. It is
> as simple & as complex as that, as I have learned from watching my
> husband struggle with his alcoholism for the past 19 years.
>
> I've know a lot of drunks over the years, and the only way any of them
> have stopped drinking is when they hit their bottom & sought out help
> from AA or a treatment program. Those who tried or are tying to go it
> alone have failed, including my husband.
>
> Please seek help.

[Tex]

On 10 Aug 2006 00:01:36 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Ok, let me clue you in here. I quit drinking and was sober until a
>friend came down and wanted to hit the clubs. We did, and I thought
>since I had been sober, a few drinks wouldn't be a big deal. Thought
>wrong, eh? I even posted on this site asking for some advice. I got
>immature sarcasm and arrogance from the ones on this site. Obviously
>not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. I'm working on my fuck up and am
>doing well, even thought every day is still a struggle, as it was
>before I fell off the wagon. As for AA, you could not pay me enough
>money to set foot in a fucking church and attend a Christian meeting if
>my life depended on it. I don't need a crutch to explain my actions!

So ...like people have said don't go to aa...no big deal. You also
said you ended up pulling IV's out and walking out because they wanted
to keep you...then you said you weren't in the mood for rehab..and
went on to say your whatever would toss ya back into detox...

Then you say you asked for advice ... except it's clear the only
advice you want is what you want to hear...

So I repeat ...

Have fun....which was never meant as sarcasm nor arrogance...only that
it sounds like you are going to whatever suits you and that being the
case you might as well have fun doing it.

[DaveB]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:28:52 GMT, OceanView <me@TheSea.com> wrote:

>"lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1155147287.795806.280540
>@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
>> really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
>> in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
>> or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
>> to get around him if I can't stop on my own.
>>
>> angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> lestat wrote:
>>> > When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into
>town
>>> > last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
>>> > club-hopping. The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
>>> > Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
>>> > Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
>>> > rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way. We were up for 3
>>> > days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
>>> > wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
>>> > Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
>>> > sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
>>> > has a chance to leave my system? I haven't eaten anything in days
>>> > simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
>>> > abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
>>> > rehab. Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
>>> > running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
>>> > all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
>>> > my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
>>> > doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
>>> > rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
>>> > Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Whatever happens, meetings will just make it worse
>>> ABM
>>
>>
>
>Having been sober 19 years, and that I go to meetings regularly, I can tell
>you this: I hated meetings the first few years, thought they were all
>brainwashed idiots. Then I finally figured it out: I was in my own way.
>
>There's a lot of help out there, but you have to want it and you have to
>listen to people who know more than you about it. I"m not sayin I'm one of
>them, I'm just saying try to be more open-minded.
>
>Here's one fact to consider: Most 'programs' (rehabs, hospitals, etc)
>requre large amounts of cash. In AA, put a dollar in the basket...if
>you've got one.
>
>Just my .02, but good luck with whatever you decide to do. I hope you make
>it.


Same here, even at 10 years and sitting at a meeting I sometimes think
"WTF am I doing here.

However, its the longest I have ever went without a drink and an all
time record for not going to jail or prison.

Something is working so I dont question it , just keep attending and
try to be of service.

Best


Daveb

[Dreamspinner3]

On 10 Aug 2006 00:01:36 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Ok, let me clue you in here. I quit drinking and was sober until a
>friend came down and wanted to hit the clubs. We did, and I thought
>since I had been sober, a few drinks wouldn't be a big deal. Thought
>wrong, eh? I even posted on this site asking for some advice.

Well, live and learn I guess. Now you know that, if you have a
problem with alcohol, you can never just have a few drinks & not have
it turn into a "big deal". I have learned this watching my husband &
as well as the alcoholics I grew up with.

> I got immature sarcasm and arrogance from the ones on this site. Obviously
>not the brightest bulbs in the bunch.

It is too bad you got some negative responses. All newsgroups have
resident trolls. I hope you don't let them put you off.

> I'm working on my fuck up and am doing well, even thought every day is still a struggle, as it was
>before I fell off the wagon. As for AA, you could not pay me enough
>money to set foot in a fucking church and attend a Christian meeting if
>my life depended on it. I don't need a crutch to explain my actions!

Well, I can understand why AA might not be for you. I know there are
other approaches to alcoholism out there, but I am not familiar with
them. I know of one called Rational Recovery, which is not based on a
12 Step program. You could google it & see what comes.

In any case, I wish you well.

[Tex]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:47:18 GMT, Dreamspinner3
<dreamspinner3@gmx.net> wrote:

>It is too bad you got some negative responses. All newsgroups have
>resident trolls. I hope you don't let them put you off.

Responses with another point of view aren't of and by themselves
necessarily negative.

Posting something that isn't what the other poster wants to hear
doesn't make one a newsgroup troll.

Right now he's too self-centered to be put off by anyone.

Read his earlier posts and you find he's in the process of finding out
if he's an alcoholic that can not drink on his own or not. Using his
posts the evidence is slanted towards him not being able to do so.

Regardless he should have fun....while he's sorting it out.

Hell...even if he ain't alcoholic...being put down by his pan at least
5 times, having hep-c, even thinking if not believing he's
alcoholic...

Maybe he shouldn't drink...but even with all that going on not to
mention a few other things...well it has to be fun...so the have fun.

[Robert McGregor]

Dreamspinner3 wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006 00:01:36 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, let me clue you in here. I quit drinking and was sober until a
>> friend came down and wanted to hit the clubs. We did, and I thought
>> since I had been sober, a few drinks wouldn't be a big deal. Thought
>> wrong, eh? I even posted on this site asking for some advice.
>
> Well, live and learn I guess. Now you know that, if you have a
> problem with alcohol, you can never just have a few drinks & not have
> it turn into a "big deal". I have learned this watching my husband &
> as well as the alcoholics I grew up with.
>
>> I got immature sarcasm and arrogance from the ones on this site. Obviously
>> not the brightest bulbs in the bunch.
>
> It is too bad you got some negative responses. All newsgroups have
> resident trolls. I hope you don't let them put you off.
>

Arguably, it's too bad, for each of you, that your husband didn't get
*enough* negative responses from you. Perhaps you actually prefer your
own role as a drama queen.

Bob

[Starvin'Marv]

Pop 4 xanax and call yourself in the morning.


lestat wrote:
> When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into town
> last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
> club-hopping. The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
> Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
> Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
> rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way. We were up for 3
> days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
> wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
> Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
> sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
> has a chance to leave my system? I haven't eaten anything in days
> simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
> abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
> rehab. Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
> running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
> all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
> my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
> doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
> rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
> Any advice would be appreciated.

[Starvin'Marv]

lestat wrote:

>> I don't need a crutch to explain my actions!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Crutches aren't intended to explain your actions, they're designed to
keep you from busting your ass.

[Joe Jared]

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:14:47 -0700, lestat wrote:

> I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I

Some do, and of which, many of the court cards don't. Those with any
measure of time and recovery could go into a bar sober, and walk out
sober, without batting an eye. Using it as an excuse for not going to
meetings is used cow food though. Just be honest and say you don't like
AA. I don't much like AA here in Columbus, oh, but I'm pretty sure I'll
like it more when I start a meeting with more of a california like flavor.

> really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
> in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
> or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
> to get around him if I can't stop on my own.

It's not even a few drinks that starts it for me. It's 1, and then my
head's ready for more. As long as I think through that first drink, which
is really 6 months worths of a fifth of something 80 proof, I'm relatively
safe. Like you, alcohol is clinically bad for me.


BTW, what's the Baker act?

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[Joe Jared]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:33:59 +0000, wrote:

> Same here, even at 10 years and sitting at a meeting I sometimes think
> "WTF am I doing here.

You mean like times when a speaker starts with, "I don't wanna talk about
my past. I wanna talk about recovery", and then promptly spends all of
their time on the past, and when that's used up, goes into overtime with
non-recovery recovery? Yea, I've been there.

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[Joe Jared]

You're trying to get sober, asking for help, and pissing on everyone who
offers it in varying flavors. You're right on time. The suffering is optional.

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:05:18 -0700, lestat wrote:

> Sounds like you're a fucking jackass!!
>
> Tex wrote:
>> On 8 Aug 2006 00:43:14 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
>> wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.
>>
>>
>> >I am in no mood for
>> >rehab.
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you are having fun.

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[Anonyma]

If you look at the newsgroup, news.admin.net-abuse.email , you
will see Joe Jared is a COMPLETE PSYCHO. Many aliases, much abuse.
AND:

No one should listen to him. He is a criminal-type psychopath and
an extortionist and a spammming lying harassing defaming stalker
(the worst in the history or Usenet)(see sig!!)

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[big_tony]

lestat wrote:
> When I fuck up I do it in grand style. One of my friends came into town
> last week, and against my better judgement, we decided to go
> club-hopping.

Your sober. You go bar hopping. You don't want sobriety bad enough
yet. When you do you won't go bar hopping.

The first night we went out I decided to order a Red
> Death with a shot of Rumpleminze at the first club we hit, then a Long
> Island at the second club. I was just going to drink bottled water the
> rest of the evening. Didn't quite work out that way.

Really? Strange that. Perhaps you an alcy! Wake up and smell the
coffee.

We were up for 3
> days. Had to make a pit stop in the ER thanks to my pancreas. They
> wanted to keep me so I had to yank all of my IV's out and sneak out.

You'll check out within 18months at this rate if you carry on drinking.
You're in the final stages of chronic alcoholism.

> Have I fucked up the sobriety or can I just take massive doses of my
> sleeping pills and xanax and stay in bed, knocked out til the alcohol
> has a chance to leave my system?

YOu are very ill & your denial is staggering. Funnily enough going on
the piss for 3 days does tend to interfere with ones sobriety. You
lost sobriety but it can regained and kept indefinitely (well until you
die of natural causes) but i don't think you are anywhere near ready
wanted to stop drinking and working a 12step program.

I haven't eaten anything in days
> simply because the thought of food turns my stomache. And my entire
> abdominal area hurts like hell; even the rib cage. I am in no mood for
> rehab.

Try AA, a good sponsor, a god of your understanding and launch yourself
in to the steps like your life depends on it (it does). Or die. Your
call.

Most of my friends don't have cars so my week is booked up
> running friends to appts. And I have to be here to take my mother to
> all of her appts. She is in extremely bad health, and the doctors tell
> my father and I that she'll be lucky to make it for a year if she
> doesn't start responding to treatment, which she hasn't. I could
> rearrange my schedule for maybe a week. But certainly not for a month.
> Any advice would be appreciated.

You are not a bad person. Just sick. You are doing a lot for others
even in your state so there's hope.

Don't expect sympathy in this group.

May your God go with you & I sincerely hope your mother pulls through.


Peace.

[lestat]

Thanks for your response. I've managed to stop drinking again.
Obviously now I know even one is too many for an alcoholic. And also
discovered a bunch off asses on this site with nothing better to do
than try and make other people's lives as miserable as their own life
is. Don't worry about the trolls putting me off. They can go back under
the bridge they emerged from.

Dreamspinner3 wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006 00:01:36 -0700, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ok, let me clue you in here. I quit drinking and was sober until a
> >friend came down and wanted to hit the clubs. We did, and I thought
> >since I had been sober, a few drinks wouldn't be a big deal. Thought
> >wrong, eh? I even posted on this site asking for some advice.
>
> Well, live and learn I guess. Now you know that, if you have a
> problem with alcohol, you can never just have a few drinks & not have
> it turn into a "big deal". I have learned this watching my husband &
> as well as the alcoholics I grew up with.
>
> > I got immature sarcasm and arrogance from the ones on this site. Obviously
> >not the brightest bulbs in the bunch.
>
> It is too bad you got some negative responses. All newsgroups have
> resident trolls. I hope you don't let them put you off.
>
> > I'm working on my fuck up and am doing well, even thought every day is still a struggle, as it was
> >before I fell off the wagon. As for AA, you could not pay me enough
> >money to set foot in a fucking church and attend a Christian meeting if
> >my life depended on it. I don't need a crutch to explain my actions!
>
> Well, I can understand why AA might not be for you. I know there are
> other approaches to alcoholism out there, but I am not familiar with
> them. I know of one called Rational Recovery, which is not based on a
> 12 Step program. You could google it & see what comes.
>
> In any case, I wish you well.

[lestat]

The Baker-Act is something we have in Florida where if your shrink
feels like it, he can commit you into a psychiatric facility for as
long as he wants and there is nothing the patient can do about it.

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:14:47 -0700, lestat wrote:
>
> > I don't do meetings. Most leave AA and then hit the nearest bar. I
>
> Some do, and of which, many of the court cards don't. Those with any
> measure of time and recovery could go into a bar sober, and walk out
> sober, without batting an eye. Using it as an excuse for not going to
> meetings is used cow food though. Just be honest and say you don't like
> AA. I don't much like AA here in Columbus, oh, but I'm pretty sure I'll
> like it more when I start a meeting with more of a california like flavor.
>
> > really didn't think a few cocktails was going to set the whole process
> > in motion again. My shrink has already informed me if I start drinking
> > or doing drugs again he'd Baker-Act my ass, so I have to figure out how
> > to get around him if I can't stop on my own.
>
> It's not even a few drinks that starts it for me. It's 1, and then my
> head's ready for more. As long as I think through that first drink, which
> is really 6 months worths of a fifth of something 80 proof, I'm relatively
> safe. Like you, alcohol is clinically bad for me.
>
>
> BTW, what's the Baker act?
>
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[Joe Jared]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:43:07 -0700, lestat wrote:

> The Baker-Act is something we have in Florida where if your shrink
> feels like it, he can commit you into a psychiatric facility for as
> long as he wants and there is nothing the patient can do about it.

That'll keep you sober, one way or another.

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[angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com]

big_tony wrote:
>



Tony, AA is a scam, you have been deemed stupid enough to fit in
there. Good for you, however, some people are looking for real help,
that can be shown to work in some fashion. Perhaps you can pull yer
head out of your ass long enough to offer some valid educated opinon
around alcohol, or you can just shut the fuck up.
Thanks, and may god strike you with boils for your idolotry
ABM

[KimStar]

"lestat" wrote:
> The Baker-Act is something we have in Florida where if your shrink
> feels like it, he can commit you into a psychiatric facility for as
> long as he wants and there is nothing the patient can do about it.

Yeah, kind of like what the US gov't. has got going at Guantanamo Bay.

Live and learn. Sounds like you're back on track, lestat, which is the
important thing. Good luck staying sober this time!

KimStar

[big_tony]

> Tony, AA is a scam, you have been deemed stupid enough to fit in
> there.

AA works for millions of people. If you ever get over your anger and
bitterness you may wake up to see it...

Good for you, however, some people are looking for real help,
> that can be shown to work in some fashion.

AA can be shown to work - go to a meeting and open your eyes.

Perhaps you can pull yer
> head out of your ass long enough to offer some valid educated opinon
> around alcohol, or you can just shut the fuck up.

Thanks for sharing that pearl of wisdom with us. I'll carry on posting
for just as long as i want to so get used to it. If people like me
stop sharing the group will just end up of horseshit like your posting
so no i'll just carry right on thankyou very much.

> Thanks, and may god strike you with boils for your idolotry
> ABM

I'll pray for you tonight, you obviously need help. God bless you. :-)

[angryblaqueman2@yahoo.com]

big_tony wrote:
> AA works for millions of people. If you ever get over your anger and
> bitterness you may wake up to see it...
> AA can be shown to work - go to a meeting and open your eyes.
>
> Thanks for sharing that pearl of wisdom with us. I'll carry on posting
> for just as long as i want to so get used to it. If people like me
> stop sharing the group will just end up of horseshit like your posting
> so no i'll just carry right on thankyou very much.
>
>
> I'll pray for you tonight, you obviously need help. God bless you. :-)

Prove it
ABM