Mel Gibson Gives Statement About Drunk Driving Arrest

[gregpcarr@hotmail.com]

Mel Gibson apologizes for DUI arrest and his 'despicable' remarks

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Mel Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday
apologizing for his drunk driving arrest and saying he has battled
alcoholism throughout his life.

Gibson also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he
made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday morning on Pacific
Coast Highway in Malibu.

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,"
he said in a statement issued by his publicist. "I disgraced myself and
my family with my behaviour and for that I am truly sorry. I have
battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and
profoundly regret my horrific relapse."

Publicist Alan Nierob declined to elaborate beyond the statement.

Gibson, 50, was arrested for investigation of driving under the
influence of alcohol after deputies stopped his 2006 Lexus LS 430 for
speeding. Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said deputies clocked him
doing 140 km/h in a 70 km/h zone.

A breath test indicated Gibson's blood-alcohol level was 0.12 per cent,
Whitmore said. The legal limit in California is 0.08 per cent.

- The actor was released early Friday after posting $5,000 US bail.

(AP) -The following is the complete text of Mel Gibson's statement
regarding his arrest for investigation of driving under the influence
of alcohol:

"After drinking alcohol on Thursday night, I did a number of things
that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I
should not have, and was stopped by the L.A. County sheriffs. The
arresting officer was just doing his job and I feel fortunate that I
was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person.

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,
and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are
despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said.

"Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved
for my belligerent behaviour. They have always been there for me in my
community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself
and my family with my behaviour and for that I am truly sorry.

"I have battled the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and
profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behaviour
unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken
necessary steps to ensure my return to health."

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Good luck Mr Gibson in ending your drinking. I quit over 3.5 years ago.
It wasn't easy in fact it was one of the hardest things I ever had to
do but day to day now it is effortless. Try AA if nothing else is
working. Gibson should make a $100,000 charitable donation in the name
of each of the arresting officers who had to deal with him. Considering
his vast wealth he should also donate a million to a local detox
facility to help out the poor who want to quit drinking and some money
to MADD. Lots of ppl maintain sobriety despite worse upbringings than
the one he did and they have far harder daily lives.

By admitting your guilt up front and apologizing you set a good example
for others and your many children.

Enjoy your sobriety everyone and if you want to quit help is out there.

[justindavidsmith]

On 30 Jul 2006 16:54:53 -0700, gregpcarr@hotmail.com wrote:

>Mel Gibson apologizes for DUI arrest and his 'despicable' remarks
>
>LOS ANGELES (AP) - Mel Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday
>apologizing for his drunk driving arrest and saying he has battled
>alcoholism throughout his life.
>
>Gibson also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he
>made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday morning on Pacific
>Coast Highway in Malibu.
>
>"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,"
>he said in a statement issued by his publicist. "I disgraced myself and
>my family with my behaviour and for that I am truly sorry. I have
>battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and
>profoundly regret my horrific relapse."
>

For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
too convenient an excuse.

[red_bikini]

justindavidsmith wrote:
> On 30 Jul 2006 16:54:53 -0700, gregpcarr@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >Mel Gibson apologizes for DUI arrest and his 'despicable' remarks
> >
> >LOS ANGELES (AP) - Mel Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday
> >apologizing for his drunk driving arrest and saying he has battled
> >alcoholism throughout his life.
> >
> >Gibson also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he
> >made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday morning on Pacific
> >Coast Highway in Malibu.
> >
> >"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,"
> >he said in a statement issued by his publicist. "I disgraced myself and
> >my family with my behaviour and for that I am truly sorry. I have
> >battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and
> >profoundly regret my horrific relapse."
> >
>
> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> too convenient an excuse.

He's over the top in alot of ways. His father has some very weird
religious beliefs.
Chloe

[hc23hc]

justindavidsmith wrote:
>
> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> too convenient an excuse.


What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
*that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
children than either of them can count.

With the perverse result that, while a war criminal like The Pervert
can roam free in Los Angeles, decent enough guys who make millions off
retelling sado-masochistic mythology but otherwise not doing anyone any
harm are made to eat crow then wash it down with hemlox-office.

Also, not only The war criminal Pervert and his accessory after the
fact DCI, but also whoever wrote that awful Daytime Emmy Oprah-ready
concession speech for Mel should be shot on sight.


..
..
..

[Marcus Denning]

justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> too convenient an excuse.

That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for all
of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews when
he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly gain
prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.

If Mel follows the program and takes the steps, maybe his prejudices will
diminish as he learns to live a sober life. Good luck to him.

[yD]

Marcus Denning wrote:
> justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> > control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> > too convenient an excuse.
>
> That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for all
> of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews when
> he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly gain
> prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.

Anyone who didn't know he's an anti-semite when his movie came out,
knows now. You're right, being drunk doesn't make you say things you
don't believe, as you say, it's the real feelings that come out.

> If Mel follows the program and takes the steps, maybe his prejudices will
> diminish as he learns to live a sober life. Good luck to him.

Well, there are sober bigots, but it's a tough addiction to overcome
and he needs luck as much as the real help of others who've gone
through the same thing.
yD

[Nuts]

hc23hc wrote:
>
> What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
> translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
> *that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
> Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
> Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
> children than either of them can count.

Speaking of needing a translator.....

--
Justin Flamed and Excited

[Tim and Lisa]

"Nuts" <nutso_fast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MBozg.72499$fG3.55654@dukeread09...
> hc23hc wrote:
>>
>> What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
>> translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
>> *that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
>> Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
>> Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
>> children than either of them can count.
>
> Speaking of needing a translator.....
>
> --
> Justin Flamed and Excited


Does Flamed mean HOT!! ;o)

Whoo Hooo!!! (sizzle)

[F. H.]

Nuts wrote:
> hc23hc wrote:
>> What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
>> translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
>> *that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
>> Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
>> Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
>> children than either of them can count.
>
> Speaking of needing a translator.....

LOL

[Jeffy3]

yD wrote:
> Marcus Denning wrote:
> > justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> > > control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> > > too convenient an excuse.
> >
> > That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for all
> > of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews when
> > he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly gain
> > prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.
>
> Anyone who didn't know he's an anti-semite when his movie came out,
> knows now. You're right, being drunk doesn't make you say things you
> don't believe, as you say, it's the real feelings that come out.
>
> > If Mel follows the program and takes the steps, maybe his prejudices will
> > diminish as he learns to live a sober life. Good luck to him.
>
> Well, there are sober bigots, but it's a tough addiction to overcome
> and he needs luck as much as the real help of others who've gone
> through the same thing.
> yD

Can't he afford a limo driver?

[Craig S.]

"Tim and Lisa" <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:rDozg.784$Vq1.696@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Nuts" <nutso_fast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MBozg.72499$fG3.55654@dukeread09...
> > hc23hc wrote:
> >>
> >> What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
> >> translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
> >> *that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
> >> Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
> >> Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
> >> children than either of them can count.
> >
> > Speaking of needing a translator.....
> >
> > --
> > Justin Flamed and Excited
>
>
> Does Flamed mean HOT!! ;o)
>
> Whoo Hooo!!! (sizzle)

Down, Tim.

[Robert McGregor]

Marcus Denning wrote:
> justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
>> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
>> too convenient an excuse.
>
> That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for all
> of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews when
> he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly gain
> prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.
>

Marcus, what's this "We, as alcoholics" bullshit? Can't you even
scrounge up enough personal responsibility to speak for yourself?

I had long been accustomed to waking, ascertaining whose bed I was in,
checking if my car was outside and if so, looking for new dents.
However, as best I can recall, I became truly terrified of the blackout
aspect of my alcoholic condition only after friends and foes alike
started repeating back proclamations I knew for certain *did not in any
way* reflect my real attitude, experience, knowledge, or feelings.

Bob

[Tim and Lisa]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:44ce25fb$0$492$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Marcus Denning wrote:
>> justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
>>> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
>>> too convenient an excuse.
>>
>> That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for
>> all
>> of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews
>> when
>> he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly
>> gain
>> prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.
>>
>
> Marcus, what's this "We, as alcoholics" bullshit? Can't you even scrounge
> up enough personal responsibility to speak for yourself?
>


Yeah let's get tech about the way one talks. I know what he talking about.
;o)

[Tim and Lisa]

"Craig S." <cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutmtneer.net> wrote in message
news:cEpzg.111$vz4.104@fe03.lga...
> "Tim and Lisa" <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:rDozg.784$Vq1.696@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>
>> "Nuts" <nutso_fast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:MBozg.72499$fG3.55654@dukeread09...
>> > hc23hc wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
>> >> translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never
>> >> been
>> >> *that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
>> >> Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
>> >> Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
>> >> children than either of them can count.
>> >
>> > Speaking of needing a translator.....
>> >
>> > --
>> > Justin Flamed and Excited
>>
>>
>> Does Flamed mean HOT!! ;o)
>>
>> Whoo Hooo!!! (sizzle)
>
> Down, Tim.
>
>

Ah man!! ;o)

[Chronocidal Charlie]

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Tim and Lisa wrote:
> "Craig S." <cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutmtneer.net> wrote in
> message news:cEpzg.111$vz4.104@fe03.lga...
>> "Tim and Lisa" <tworkman1@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:rDozg.784$Vq1.696@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>> "Nuts" <nutso_fast@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MBozg.72499$fG3.55654@dukeread09...
>>>> hc23hc wrote:
>>>>> What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an
>>>>> Aramäic translator in the middle of the night to bell the
>>>>> Mel. It's never been *that* easy getting notarized
>>>>> transcriptions from the furry native Bakelite tongue of DCI
>>>>> regarding his favorite war criminal The Pervert's open
>>>>> confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
>>>>> children than either of them can count.
>>>> Speaking of needing a translator.....
>>>>
>>>> -- Justin Flamed and Excited
>>>
>>> Does Flamed mean HOT!! ;o)
>>>
>>> Whoo Hooo!!! (sizzle)
>> Down, Tim.
>>
>>
>
> Ah man!! ;o)
>
>

Oh, I forgot to include your reading assignments for today when I signed
off last night. ;-)

http://www.mises.org/humanaction.asp

Pay particular attention to the next to last paragraph in Chapter 2.
where it sez...

> But is different with man. Man is not a being who cannot help
> yielding to the impulse that most urgently asks for satisfaction. Man
> is a being capable of subduing his instincts, emotions, and impulses;
> he can rationalize his behavior. He renounces the satisfaction of a
> burning impulse in order to satisfy other desires. He is not a puppet
> of his appetites. A man does not ravish every female that stirs his
> senses; he does not devour every piece of food that entices him; he
> does not knock down every fellow he would like to kill. He arranges
> [p. 17] his wishes and desires into a scale, he chooses; in short, he
> acts. What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he adjusts
> his behavior deliberatively. Man is the being that has inhibitions,
> that can master his impulses and desires, that has the power to
> suppress instinctive desires and impulses.

CC


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[Tex]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:47:01 +1000, Robert McGregor
<robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>However, as best I can recall, I became truly terrified of the blackout
>aspect of my alcoholic condition only after friends and foes alike
>started repeating back proclamations I knew for certain *did not in any
>way* reflect my real attitude, experience, knowledge, or feelings.
>
>Bob

Few times have I read or heard about the 2nd half of the Black Out
routine ....What I mean is the 1st time I showed up at the bar for an
eye opener and ol'xd830#$@& the bar keep started in on how the 1st one
was on him because he was so happy to see the night before me
straightening the situation out with so & so....For the life of me I
couldn't recall doing so and was downright horrified to think I
had...I mean a tad clear I really still didn't like the bastird and
had no desire to have as he put straightend things out with so &
so...That was scary.

I for one don't buy the ...true feeling come out when drunk...if
that's the case then everyone should just get drunk and stay drunk.

[DCI]

On 31 Jul 2006 00:42:38 -0700, "hc23hc" <hc23hc1@mac.com> wrote:

>justindavidsmith wrote:
>>
>> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
>> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
>> too convenient an excuse.
>
>
>What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
>translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
>*that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
>Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
>Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
>children than either of them can count.
>
>With the perverse result that, while a war criminal like The Pervert
>can roam free in Los Angeles, decent enough guys who make millions off
>retelling sado-masochistic mythology but otherwise not doing anyone any
>harm are made to eat crow then wash it down with hemlox-office.
>
>Also, not only The war criminal Pervert and his accessory after the
>fact DCI, but also whoever wrote that awful Daytime Emmy Oprah-ready
>concession speech for Mel should be shot on sight.
>

Here's the Ole Goose, Slick, with the theme, "Me against the world . .
.. and I'm right."

DCI

[hc23hc]

DCILoveWarCrime wrote:
> hc23hc wrote:
>
> >justindavidsmith wrote:
> >>
> >> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> >> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> >> too convenient an excuse.
> >
> >
> >What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
> >translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
> >*that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
> >Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
> >Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
> >children than either of them can count.
> >
> >With the perverse result that, while a war criminal like The Pervert
> >can roam free in Los Angeles, decent enough guys who make millions off
> >retelling sado-masochistic mythology but otherwise not doing anyone any
> >harm are made to eat crow then wash it down with hemlox-office.
> >
> >Also, not only The war criminal Pervert and his accessory after the
> >fact DCI, but also whoever wrote that awful Daytime Emmy Oprah-ready
> >concession speech for Mel should be shot on sight.
> >
>
> Here's the Ole Goose, Slick, with the theme, "Me against the world . .
> . and I'm right."


I'm right, DCI. And you're too drunk to be making any attempts at
speech.

But, old butt-turtle, no need to apologize. God made you that way...
if you believe in that sort of thing.


..
..
..

[Tim and Lisa]

"hc23hc" <hc23hc1@mac.com> wrote in message
news:1154366595.076941.245980@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

DCILoveWarCrime wrote:
> hc23hc wrote:
>
> >justindavidsmith wrote:
> >>
> >> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> >> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> >> too convenient an excuse.
> >
> >
> >What amazes me is how quickly they managed to rustle up an Aramäic
> >translator in the middle of the night to bell the Mel. It's never been
> >*that* easy getting notarized transcriptions from the furry native
> >Bakelite tongue of DCI regarding his favorite war criminal The
> >Pervert's open confessions to killing more unarmed civilian women and
> >children than either of them can count.
> >
> >With the perverse result that, while a war criminal like The Pervert
> >can roam free in Los Angeles, decent enough guys who make millions off
> >retelling sado-masochistic mythology but otherwise not doing anyone any
> >harm are made to eat crow then wash it down with hemlox-office.
> >
> >Also, not only The war criminal Pervert and his accessory after the
> >fact DCI, but also whoever wrote that awful Daytime Emmy Oprah-ready
> >concession speech for Mel should be shot on sight.
> >
>
> Here's the Ole Goose, Slick, with the theme, "Me against the world . .
> . and I'm right."


I'm right, DCI. And you're too drunk to be making any attempts at
speech.

But, old butt-turtle, no need to apologize. God made you that way...
if you believe in that sort of thing.


..
..
..

Love it, two rights! ;o) He made sharks too and they kill people!

[GaryE]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:25:42 -0700, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>I for one don't buy the ...true feeling come out when drunk...if
>that's the case then everyone should just get drunk and stay drunk.

I was told the same thing by a professional. That the true self was
the sober self. Sometimes we get angry at our wife and children and
a drunk might say something without restraint because of booze.

[DCI]

On 31 Jul 2006 10:23:15 -0700, "hc23hc" <hc23hc1@mac.com> wrote:

>> Here's the Ole Goose, Slick, with the theme, "Me against the world . .
>> . and I'm right."
>
>
>I'm right, DCI. And you're too drunk to be making any attempts at
>speech.
>
>But, old butt-turtle, no need to apologize. God made you that way...
>if you believe in that sort of thing.
>

The Ole Goose Slick is a mutation.

DCI

[F. H.]

Tex wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:47:01 +1000, Robert McGregor
> <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> However, as best I can recall, I became truly terrified of the blackout
>> aspect of my alcoholic condition only after friends and foes alike
>> started repeating back proclamations I knew for certain *did not in any
>> way* reflect my real attitude, experience, knowledge, or feelings.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Few times have I read or heard about the 2nd half of the Black Out
> routine ....What I mean is the 1st time I showed up at the bar for an
> eye opener and ol'xd830#$@& the bar keep started in on how the 1st one
> was on him because he was so happy to see the night before me
> straightening the situation out with so & so....For the life of me I
> couldn't recall doing so and was downright horrified to think I
> had...

A bright light flashes briefly across the smoke filled room as the
saloon door opens and closes announcing the return of the entertainer
from the night before. A small cluster of patrons seated at a table in
the corner yell out as one:

"Hey, do Flip Wilson again.... arf arf arf."

The entertainer replies: "Huh?"

[Craig S.]

"GaryE" <garyexxxxxx@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:segsc25q3pden98cnmv8e4ajibfg545mgu@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:25:42 -0700, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >I for one don't buy the ...true feeling come out when drunk...if
> >that's the case then everyone should just get drunk and stay drunk.
>
> I was told the same thing by a professional. That the true self was
> the sober self. Sometimes we get angry at our wife and children and
> a drunk might say something without restraint because of booze.

I thought the same thing until an experience a few years ago. A long-time
friend of mine who had been abstinent a number of years started drinking
again. Our friendship had been a bit volatile at times - predominantly with
what I considered to be inappropriate angry outbursts from him. Not tooting
my own horn, but I tend to fairly even keeled. I happened to be around him
one night when he was well in his cups. The venom that came out that night
directed toward me left no doubt in my mind that these were festering
feelings that he had been harboring for years - feelings that were now free
to radiate from his "true self." If nothing else, it makes me believe that
it can go both ways; in some people alcohol can mask the true, sober self
while in other people alcohol exacerbates what is already there.

[F. H.]

Craig S. wrote:
> "GaryE" <garyexxxxxx@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:segsc25q3pden98cnmv8e4ajibfg545mgu@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:25:42 -0700, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I for one don't buy the ...true feeling come out when drunk...if
>>> that's the case then everyone should just get drunk and stay drunk.
>> I was told the same thing by a professional. That the true self was
>> the sober self. Sometimes we get angry at our wife and children and
>> a drunk might say something without restraint because of booze.
>
> I thought the same thing until an experience a few years ago. A long-time
> friend of mine who had been abstinent a number of years started drinking
> again. Our friendship had been a bit volatile at times - predominantly with
> what I considered to be inappropriate angry outbursts from him. Not tooting
> my own horn, but I tend to fairly even keeled. I happened to be around him
> one night when he was well in his cups. The venom that came out that night
> directed toward me left no doubt in my mind that these were festering
> feelings that he had been harboring for years - feelings that were now free
> to radiate from his "true self." If nothing else, it makes me believe that
> it can go both ways; in some people alcohol can mask the true, sober self
> while in other people alcohol exacerbates what is already there.

I had a drinking buddy that I really liked but like your friend he had
some rage lurking. My friend was cordial as can be until he'd downed
about a six pack. Then he would attack. Got to where I could predict
by his body language when he was starting to percolate and I would drink
up and leave.

Myself, I was always pretty much a happy drunk. Now that I'm sober I
suffer from irritable vowel syndrome and I'm wasting away in the land of
"knows all, sees all."

[Mark Warner]

F. H. wrote:
>
> Myself, I was always pretty much a happy drunk. Now that I'm sober I
> suffer from irritable vowel syndrome and I'm wasting away in the land
> of "knows all, sees all."

Lucky you. Me, I'm not nearly as worldly and intelligent as I was back
in my days at the Refuge Inn. Back then, I was the resident expert on
*everything*.

--
Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying

[F. H.]

Mark Warner wrote:
> F. H. wrote:
>> Myself, I was always pretty much a happy drunk. Now that I'm sober I
>> suffer from irritable vowel syndrome and I'm wasting away in the land
>> of "knows all, sees all."
>
> Lucky you. Me, I'm not nearly as worldly and intelligent as I was back
> in my days at the Refuge Inn. Back then, I was the resident expert on
> *everything*.

I'd say you're more than holding your own here in........ "the land."

[GaryE]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:33:30 -0400, "Craig S."
<cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutmtneer.net> wrote:

>"GaryE" <garyexxxxxx@swbell.net> wrote in message
>news:segsc25q3pden98cnmv8e4ajibfg545mgu@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:25:42 -0700, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >I for one don't buy the ...true feeling come out when drunk...if
>> >that's the case then everyone should just get drunk and stay drunk.
>>
>> I was told the same thing by a professional. That the true self was
>> the sober self. Sometimes we get angry at our wife and children and
>> a drunk might say something without restraint because of booze.
>
>I thought the same thing until an experience a few years ago. A long-time
>friend of mine who had been abstinent a number of years started drinking
>again. Our friendship had been a bit volatile at times - predominantly with
>what I considered to be inappropriate angry outbursts from him. Not tooting
>my own horn, but I tend to fairly even keeled. I happened to be around him
>one night when he was well in his cups. The venom that came out that night
>directed toward me left no doubt in my mind that these were festering
>feelings that he had been harboring for years - feelings that were now free
>to radiate from his "true self." If nothing else, it makes me believe that
>it can go both ways; in some people alcohol can mask the true, sober self
>while in other people alcohol exacerbates what is already there.
>
Was he an ex-Thumper?

I agree that it makes more sense to make response a variable. That
way, the real me is a glad handing, back slapping extrovert who has
magnetic attraction to beautiful women (referring to Joan, of course).

Best,
GaryE

[Nuts]

F. H wrote:

<snipped for humor's sake>

> I suffer from irritable vowel syndrome

Do ya think a W might help with that....?

--
Justin

[F. H.]

Nuts wrote:
> F. H wrote:
>
> <snipped for humor's sake>
>
>> I suffer from irritable vowel syndrome
>
> Do ya think a W might help with that....?

It *started* with a "W"

[F. H.]

F. H. wrote:
> Nuts wrote:
>> F. H wrote:
>>
>> <snipped for humor's sake>
>>
>>> I suffer from irritable vowel syndrome
>>
>> Do ya think a W might help with that....?
>
> It *started* with a "W"

Now its an IOU.

[Mark Warner]

F. H. wrote:
> Mark Warner wrote:
>> F. H. wrote:
>>> Myself, I was always pretty much a happy drunk. Now that I'm sober
>>> I suffer from irritable vowel syndrome and I'm wasting away in the
>>> land of "knows all, sees all."
>>
>> Lucky you. Me, I'm not nearly as worldly and intelligent as I was
>> back in my days at the Refuge Inn. Back then, I was the resident
>> expert on *everything*.
>
> I'd say you're more than holding your own here in........ "the land."

That's 'cause all you dumbasses got stoopider too. Kind of a "falling
tide" thing.

--
Mark Warner
lose .inhibitions when replying

[F. H.]

Mark Warner wrote:
> F. H. wrote:
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>> F. H. wrote:
>>>> Myself, I was always pretty much a happy drunk. Now that I'm sober
>>>> I suffer from irritable vowel syndrome and I'm wasting away in the
>>>> land of "knows all, sees all."
>>> Lucky you. Me, I'm not nearly as worldly and intelligent as I was
>>> back in my days at the Refuge Inn. Back then, I was the resident
>>> expert on *everything*.
>> I'd say you're more than holding your own here in........ "the land."
>
> That's 'cause all you dumbasses got stoopider too. Kind of a "falling
> tide" thing.

LMAO, I was gonna say sumthin like that but couldn't find the right
words. Couple more decades and you'll be drolling on yur keyboard just
like the rest of us. Barring Armageddon of course.

[F. H.]

F. H. wrote:
> Mark Warner wrote:
>> F. H. wrote:
>>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>>> F. H. wrote:
>>>>> Myself, I was always pretty much a happy drunk. Now that I'm sober
>>>>> I suffer from irritable vowel syndrome and I'm wasting away in the
>>>>> land of "knows all, sees all."
>>>> Lucky you. Me, I'm not nearly as worldly and intelligent as I was
>>>> back in my days at the Refuge Inn. Back then, I was the resident
>>>> expert on *everything*.
>>> I'd say you're more than holding your own here in........ "the land."
>>
>> That's 'cause all you dumbasses got stoopider too. Kind of a "falling
>> tide" thing.
>
> LMAO, I was gonna say sumthin like that but couldn't find the right
> words. Couple more decades and you'll be drolling on yur keyboard just
> like the rest of us. Barring Armageddon of course.

See what I mean.

[catherine yronwode]

yD wrote:
>
> Marcus Denning wrote:
> > justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
> > > control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
> > > too convenient an excuse.
> >
> > That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for all
> > of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews when
> > he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly gain
> > prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.
>
> Anyone who didn't know he's an anti-semite when his movie came out,
> knows now. You're right, being drunk doesn't make you say things you
> don't believe, as you say, it's the real feelings that come out.

Thank you both for saying this. It is common knowledge to most adults
who are familiar with alcoholics, but in his official statement, Mel
Gibson tried to slither past the ultra-obvious by apologizing for
*saying* ugly things -- without apologizing for holding such ugly
beliefs in the first plac3e.

You will notice that he never mentioned Jews in his apology. Even that
shit-head Jesse "Hymie-Town" Jackson had sense enough to apologize
directly to the people whom he had offended. Gibson lacks the
self-protective sense of a politician and his publicist probably thinks
that people are unaware of the basic fact that alcohol only releases
verbal inhibiutions but does not make one into an anti-Semite.

> > If Mel follows the program and takes the steps, maybe his prejudices will
> > diminish as he learns to live a sober life. Good luck to him.
>
> Well, there are sober bigots, but it's a tough addiction to overcome
> and he needs luck as much as the real help of others who've gone
> through the same thing.

I too doubt that sobriety alone will make a person less prejudiced; look
at those delightfully sober Puritans.

A sober Mel Gibson will only be a more controlled anti-Semitic vehicle
driver; which is a small gift, but acceptable given the other option --
a drunken anti-Semitic vehicle driver.

In other words, the most important thing here is to keep Gibson from
injuring or killing pedestrians or other drivers.

Hoping that sobriety will allow him to also enter into a state of
intellectual rationality with respect to his insane belief about Jews
"starting all the wars in the history of the world" is probably a futile
dream, given his family's cultural history and his decided lack of
interest in history except insofar as history can be repackaged in the
form of fictionalized tales in which he can star or which he can direct.

cat yronwode

[Tex]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:33:30 -0400, "Craig S."
<cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutmtneer.net> wrote:

>"GaryE" <garyexxxxxx@swbell.net> wrote in message
>news:segsc25q3pden98cnmv8e4ajibfg545mgu@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:25:42 -0700, Tex <twizzard@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >I for one don't buy the ...true feeling come out when drunk...if
>> >that's the case then everyone should just get drunk and stay drunk.
>>
>> I was told the same thing by a professional. That the true self was
>> the sober self. Sometimes we get angry at our wife and children and
>> a drunk might say something without restraint because of booze.
>
>I thought the same thing until an experience a few years ago. A long-time
>friend of mine who had been abstinent a number of years started drinking
>again. Our friendship had been a bit volatile at times - predominantly with
>what I considered to be inappropriate angry outbursts from him. Not tooting
>my own horn, but I tend to fairly even keeled. I happened to be around him
>one night when he was well in his cups. The venom that came out that night
>directed toward me left no doubt in my mind that these were festering
>feelings that he had been harboring for years - feelings that were now free
>to radiate from his "true self." If nothing else, it makes me believe that
>it can go both ways; in some people alcohol can mask the true, sober self
>while in other people alcohol exacerbates what is already there.
>

I have had thoughts and feelings inside me both drunk and sober that I
don't think represent my "true self"....of course I was raised
catholic....probably just demons.

[JoeRaisin]

Robert McGregor wrote:

> Marcus Denning wrote:
>
>> justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For someone who loves to pontificate, he really is totally out of
>>> control, and he should stop blaming alchohol for his fuck ups; that's
>>> too convenient an excuse.
>>
>>
>> That is true. We, as alcoholics, must take personal responsibility for
>> all
>> of our actions, drunk or sober. Specifically, Mel's remarks about Jews
>> when
>> he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly
>> gain
>> prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.
>>
>
> Marcus, what's this "We, as alcoholics" bullshit? Can't you even
> scrounge up enough personal responsibility to speak for yourself?
>
> I had long been accustomed to waking, ascertaining whose bed I was in,
> checking if my car was outside and if so, looking for new dents.
> However, as best I can recall, I became truly terrified of the blackout
> aspect of my alcoholic condition only after friends and foes alike
> started repeating back proclamations I knew for certain *did not in any
> way* reflect my real attitude, experience, knowledge, or feelings.
>
> Bob
>
>

Thank you. I have always thougth that "in vino veritas" was a large
pile of horse s***.

I thougth that since I had many of the same experiences you had during
my blackout drinking. ("I said WHAT?... to WHO?...")

[ToadVenomDMT]

gregpcarr@hotmail.com wrote:
> Mel Gibson apologizes for DUI arrest and his 'despicable' remarks
>
> LOS ANGELES (AP) - Mel Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday
> apologizing for his drunk driving arrest and saying he has battled
> alcoholism throughout his life.
>
> Gibson also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he
> made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday morning on Pacific
> Coast Highway in Malibu.
>
> "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,"
> he said in a statement issued by his publicist. "I disgraced myself and
> my family with my behaviour and for that I am truly sorry. I have
> battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and
> profoundly regret my horrific relapse."
>
> Publicist Alan Nierob declined to elaborate beyond the statement.
>
> Gibson, 50, was arrested for investigation of driving under the
> influence of alcohol after deputies stopped his 2006 Lexus LS 430 for
> speeding. Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said deputies clocked him
> doing 140 km/h in a 70 km/h zone.
>
> A breath test indicated Gibson's blood-alcohol level was 0.12 per cent,
> Whitmore said. The legal limit in California is 0.08 per cent.
>
> - The actor was released early Friday after posting $5,000 US bail.
>
> (AP) -The following is the complete text of Mel Gibson's statement
> regarding his arrest for investigation of driving under the influence
> of alcohol:
>
> "After drinking alcohol on Thursday night, I did a number of things
> that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I
> should not have, and was stopped by the L.A. County sheriffs. The
> arresting officer was just doing his job and I feel fortunate that I
> was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person.
>
> "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested,
> and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are
> despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said.
>
> "Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved
> for my belligerent behaviour. They have always been there for me in my
> community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself
> and my family with my behaviour and for that I am truly sorry.
>
> "I have battled the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and
> profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behaviour
> unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken
> necessary steps to ensure my return to health."
>
> http://ca.entertainment.yahoo.com/s/29072006/2/entertain-mel-gibson-apologizes-dui-arrest-despicable-remarks.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Good luck Mr Gibson in ending your drinking. I quit over 3.5 years ago.
> It wasn't easy in fact it was one of the hardest things I ever had to
> do but day to day now it is effortless. Try AA if nothing else is
> working. Gibson should make a $100,000 charitable donation in the name
> of each of the arresting officers who had to deal with him. Considering
> his vast wealth he should also donate a million to a local detox
> facility to help out the poor who want to quit drinking and some money
> to MADD. Lots of ppl maintain sobriety despite worse upbringings than
> the one he did and they have far harder daily lives.
>
> By admitting your guilt up front and apologizing you set a good example
> for others and your many children.
>
> Enjoy your sobriety everyone and if you want to quit help is out there.
>
OMG let's crucify him he got a dui. Put him in
front of the firing squad.

Thing thta pisses me off most the hyprocrites get
pissed about this been behind the wheel drunk too.

Fuck em.

[nellie123123@yahoo.com]

catherine yronwode wrote:
> yD wrote:
> >
> > Marcus Denning wrote:
> > > justindavidsmith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Mel's remarks about Jews when
> > > he was drunk undoubtedly reflect his real feelings: we don't suddenly gain
> > > prejudices when we drink; rather, our real feelings come out.
> >
> > Anyone who didn't know he's an anti-semite when his movie came out,
> > knows now. You're right, being drunk doesn't make you say things you
> > don't believe, as you say, it's the real feelings that come out.

> You will notice that he never mentioned Jews in his apology. Even that
> shit-head Jesse "Hymie-Town" Jackson had sense enough to apologize
> directly to the people whom he had offended. Gibson lacks the
> self-protective sense of a politician and his publicist probably thinks
> that people are unaware of the basic fact that alcohol only releases
> verbal inhibiutions but does not make one into an anti-Semite.
>
> > Well, there are sober bigots, but it's a tough addiction to overcome
> > and he needs luck as much as the real help of others who've gone
> > through the same thing.
>
> I too doubt that sobriety alone will make a person less prejudiced; look
> at those delightfully sober Puritans.
>
> A sober Mel Gibson will only be a more controlled anti-Semitic vehicle
> driver; which is a small gift, but acceptable given the other option --
> a drunken anti-Semitic vehicle driver.
>
> In other words, the most important thing here is to keep Gibson from
> injuring or killing pedestrians or other drivers.
>
> Hoping that sobriety will allow him to also enter into a state of
> intellectual rationality with respect to his insane belief about Jews
> "starting all the wars in the history of the world" is probably a futile
> dream, given his family's cultural history

He HAS had decades already, to ponder whether or not his father's views
of the world were right.

However it's just what I predicted would happen. Already you see stars
coming out to support him AND the simplistic idea that it was the
alchohol, that *arbitrarily* made him rant *specifically* about *Jews*,
owning Malibu and yell at *Sugar Tits*. Had it been another day, it
would have been all about *Samoans, owning half the Riviera* and
berating "Limp Dick".

It will be forgotten just like the incident with Jesse Jackson, his
career will not suffer.