Jews Out To Frame Mel Gibson

[Uncle Moishe]

This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
said "fucking jews".

BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%
in most places not long ago. And in the past in NY it was actually .15% When
Bush got a DUI in Maine years ago he was charged at .1% (just at the limit).
It was a violation no different than a traffic violation not a criminal
offence. Of course, he was probably WELL about that limit and the cop just
charged him for .1%




http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51295

[Stu Gotz]

"Uncle Moishe" <unc@hunk.il> wrote in message
news:m2Yyg.1161$ee1.30@trnddc06...
> This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
> Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
> be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
> alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
> said "fucking jews".
>
Yeah, riiiiight. They probably held his mouth open and poured the tequila
down his throat.

Gibson's an alcoholic, ya fuckin' dipshit.

[Joe Jared]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:

> This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
> Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
> be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
> alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
> said "fucking jews".


You might have heard, Mel apologized and identified as an alcoholic, and
acknowledged problems with alcohol all through adulthood. While he's not
the first celebrity, I have to give him credit for taking responsibility
and not trying to use money and lower life forms (lawyers) to avoid it.

> BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%

A lot of stupid Californians. It used to be .12%. Most who get dui's are
well in excess of the limit. The .08 is purely a scare factor. Drink
more than 1 oz/hour, go to jail.


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[Phil]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:13:04 GMT, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com>
wrote:


>> BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%
>
>A lot of stupid Californians. It used to be .12%. Most who get dui's are
>well in excess of the limit. The .08 is purely a scare factor. Drink
>more than 1 oz/hour, go to jail.

Neo-prohibitionists (MADD, etc.) have been lobbying in Washington for
years. As soon as they had the bac brought down to .08, they started
lobbying to get it down to .06.


Phil
======
visit the New York City Homebrewers Guild website:
http://www.hbd.org/nychg

[Joe Jared]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:38:25 -0400, Phil wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:13:04 GMT, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%
>>
>>A lot of stupid Californians. It used to be .12%. Most who get dui's are
>>well in excess of the limit. The .08 is purely a scare factor. Drink
>>more than 1 oz/hour, go to jail.
>
> Neo-prohibitionists (MADD, etc.) have been lobbying in Washington for
> years. As soon as they had the bac brought down to .08, they started
> lobbying to get it down to .06.

I hadn't planned on acknowledging them and purposely didn't. MADD are
more of the prohibitionist variety and that just leads to other fine
organizations, such as the mafia. If they get .06, they'll lobby for .01
and seek heavier penalties. Consequences never stopped an alcoholic who
wanted to drink, and never stopped an alcoholic from accidentally killing
someone.

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[clifffreeling@yahoo.com]

Uncle Moishe wrote:
> This is typical of yids.

They tried to smear Brando the same way after his comments.
Didn't work.

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Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
Israel's favor.
Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff

[zr]

Gibson figures its the Jews fault he is an alcoholic. After all the
Bronfman's own Seagrams.

"Stu Gotz" <U_R_A_stunade@1st_magnitude.com> wrote in message
news:nt%yg.137645$dW3.1743@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com...
>
> "Uncle Moishe" <unc@hunk.il> wrote in message
> news:m2Yyg.1161$ee1.30@trnddc06...
>> This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
>> Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending
>> to be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is
>> an alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why
>> Mel said "fucking jews".
>>
> Yeah, riiiiight. They probably held his mouth open and poured the tequila
> down his throat.
>
> Gibson's an alcoholic, ya fuckin' dipshit.
>
>
>

[darrint68@aol.com]

clifffreeling@yahoo.com fingerpainted the following:

> Uncle Moishe wrote:
> > This is typical of yids.
>
> They tried to smear Brando the same way after his comments.
> Didn't work.>
> -----
> Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
> Israel's favor.
> Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.

Kill ratio of Jew-hating Palestinians who use children as human
shields: who cares. Kill ratio of all Jew-hating Palestinians who start
every war: who cares. BTW, F with Jewish-created Hollywood, and the
only thing Mel "can get arrested for" is DUI!eheheh IOW, seen him in
many films since "Passion Of The Christ?" LOL! -D, NYC "Virtually all
acting in motion pictures stems from her, and she had an extraordinary
effect on the culture of her time. I don't think audiences realize how
much we are in debt to her, to other Jews and to the Russian theatre
for most performances we see now" - MARLON BRANDO (commenting on the
contribution of Stella Adler (who died in 1994) to the theatre and her
influence upon actors, from "Great Jewish Quotations: By Jews & About
Jews" By Alfred J. Kolatch).."You can't have a Jew play a Jew. It won't
work" - SAMUEL L. GOLDWYN (b. Goldfisch, founding Jewish father of
Hollywood, commenting on his casting of Frank Sinatra in the movie
version of Guys & Dolls after it had been played on Broadway by Sam
Levene, ibid).."When the historian visits Hebron today, he asks
himself: Where are all those peoples which once held the place? Where
are the Canaanites? Where are the Edomites? Where are the ancient
Hellenes and the Romans, the Byzantines, the Franks, the Mameluks and
the Ottomans? They have vanished into time, irrevocably. But the Jews
are still in Hebron" - PAUL JOHNSON, British Historian.."The trouble
with New York is it's so convenient to everything I can't afford!" eh -
JACK BENNY (b. Kubelsky, sweet Jew).."Of course I was always proud to
be a Jew, even though it would have been easier for me not to be. I
remember when I auditioned as a young actor in a Yiddish theatre in New
York. They looked at me and said: "If we have a part for a Nazi, we'll
call you" - KIRK DOUGLAS (Quoted in London's Daily Mail, Sept. 9. 1988,
b. Issidur Danielovitch Demsky, NYC).."Perhaps my own personal early
background, a thoroughly anti-Semitic culture, enables me to perceive
more clearly than most certain realities of Jewish-Gentile relations in
the US. Anti-Semites, whether of the truly vicious or almost casual
type, perceive Jews as inferior...On the contrary, they are superior" -
STEVE ALLEN.."The extraordinary European Jews who emigrated to New York
were enriching the city's intellectual life with an intensity that has
probably never been equaled anywhere during a comparable period of
time. I was raised largely by these Jews...They were my teachers; they
were my employers; they were my friends. They introduced me to a world
of books and ideas that I didn't know existed" - MARLON BRANDO (excerpt
from "Songs My Mother Taught Me").."One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
comprise at most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world; they
were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet their
children survived and Jews became by far the most accomplished people
per capita that the world has ever produced." - ibid.."."I was born
Jewish, but the truth is that has no significance for me. America has
given me everything. A home, a chance to study and achieve a high
position. I don't know what other Jews expect of me, but I consider
myself an American first" - HENRY KISSINGER.."The Jews, a people who
have survived the deaths of many empires that tried to destroy them -
including but not limited to the Egyptians, Romans, Babylonians,
Persians - have only one homeland, Israel, continuously occupied by
them for 4,000 years and never a nation-state belonging to any others"
- JOSEPH FARRAH, Arab-American journalist.."Chew this around and spit
it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the
Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches
sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if
Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals.
Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to
obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths
to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding." -
LARRY MILLER (sweet, Whoever So Blesses Them).."I was born in Waukegan,
a long, long, long time ago. As a matter of fact, our rabbi was an
Indian..he used a tomahawk...I was eight days old..what did I know?"
ehe - JACK BENNY (b. Kubelsky, sweet Jew, quoted in Irving A. Fein's
Jack Benny).."If we were forced to choose just one, there would be no
way to deny that Judaism is the most important intellectual development
in human history" - DAVID GELERTNER, Yale University Professor.."Five
Jewish men influenced the history of Western civilization: Moses said
the law is everything. Jesus said love is everything. Marx said capital
is everything. Freud said sex is everything. Einstein said everything
is relative" eh.."I've seen the lights go out on Broadway, I saw the
Empire State laid low" - BILLY JOEL (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer - Top
100 selling artist of all-time).."There are some Jews in this town
{Hollywood} and nobody knows about it. But we really like being
Jewish...You don't have to see a bullfrog to hear him croak" - AARON
SPELLING (Steve, did Aaron ever produce on Broadway?eh Guinness World
Record holder - most prolific producer in tv history, from a 1993
interview during a visit to Israel).."How is it possible this old
fellow (Voltaire) should represent the Hebrews in such a contemptible
light? They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this
earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bauble in comparison to
the Jews. They have given religion in three quarters of the globe and
have influenced the affairs of mankind more, and happily than any other
nation, ancient or modern" - JOHN ADAMS, 2nd US President.."The Jews
were acquainted with several Arts and Sciences long e'er the Romans
became a People, or the Greeks were known among the Nations. Indeed, if
the Greeks had been acquainted with the songs of Moses...or the Romans
had ever known the odes of David..they would never have spoke of the
Jews with so much contempt...I believe I might fairly challenge all the
Antiquity of the Heathens, to present us with an Ode of more beautiful
sentiments, and greater Elegancy than the Lamentations over Saul and
Jonathan" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN (from an article in the Pennsylvania
Gazette).."Palestine should be as distinctly Jewish as England is
English" - CHAIM WEIZMANN (Russian-born Yiddish-British citizen, 1st
President of Israel, scientist, saviour of England & Israel)



> ---------
> http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
> ----------
> "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
> --
> Cliff

[windinghighway@aol.com]

clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
> "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
> --

Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
me.

[zr]

Mel Gibson's father told him.

<windinghighway@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1154286367.203907.298400@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
>> "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
>> the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
>> --
>
> Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> me.
>

[clifffreeling@yahoo.com]

windinghighway@aol.com wrote:
> clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
> > "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> > the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> > ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
> > --
>
> Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> me.

It would. Strange, another aoler.

-----
Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
Israel's favor.
Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
---------
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
----------
"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff

[Richochet Rabbit]

"Uncle Moishe" <unc@hunk.il> wrote in message
news:m2Yyg.1161$ee1.30@trnddc06...

<Snipped>

Will I become a racisist if I stop drinking.. lol

[Kevin Cunningham]

"zr" <nglr@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:5S5zg.53074$Uy1.34928@read1.cgocable.net...
> Gibson figures its the Jews fault he is an alcoholic. After all the
> Bronfman's own Seagrams.
>

Actually they sold it but just to keep the conversation flowing they sold it
as part of a plot to prepare for getting Gibson for DUI.


> "Stu Gotz" <U_R_A_stunade@1st_magnitude.com> wrote in message
> news:nt%yg.137645$dW3.1743@newssvr21.news.prodigy. com...
>>
>> "Uncle Moishe" <unc@hunk.il> wrote in message
>> news:m2Yyg.1161$ee1.30@trnddc06...
>>> This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of
>>> The Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by
>>> pretending to be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full
>>> well that he is an alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the
>>> cops. This is why Mel said "fucking jews".
>>>
>> Yeah, riiiiight. They probably held his mouth open and poured the
>> tequila down his throat.
>>
>> Gibson's an alcoholic, ya fuckin' dipshit.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Macabee]

windinghighway@aol.com wrote:
> clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
> > "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> > the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> > ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
> > --
>
> Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> me.

It's racist bull.

[windinghighway@aol.com]

clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:

> windinghighway@aol.com wrote:
> > clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> > > the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> > > ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
> > > --
> >
> > Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> > me.
>
> It would. Strange, another aoler.


Aha! So you DONT have a source for the quote!

So I checked it out myself and guess where it first appeared?

In an October 3, 2001 press release from an islamic fundamentalist
group, IAP - the Islamic Association for Palestine. They claimed
the statement was made in an Israeli cabinet meeting. It was not
reported by any other news service. It's just a silly fabrication,
plausible only to fantatics and fools.

[Miriam Cohen]

windinghighway@aol.com wrote:
> clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
>>the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
>>--
>
>
> Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> me.

Yes, he got it off a neonazi site, it's a lie, has been debunked dozens
of times but that never keeps bigot cliffy from lying.

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Miriam Cohen]

Macabee wrote:
> windinghighway@aol.com wrote:
>
>>clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
>>>the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>>> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
>>>--
>>
>>Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
>>me.
>
>
> It's racist bull.

It's *BIGOT* bull. Jewish isn't a race so it can't be racism.

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Zac]

Mel Gibson is just your average lush. That's why his mouth goes out of
control.

If it weren't for "Jew" Hollywood, he would have been your average town
bum instead of a rich boy driving a car he bought with money he was
paid by "Jew Hollywood".

[Darrin]

Zac wrote:
> Mel Gibson is just your average lush. That's why his mouth goes out of
> control.
>
> If it weren't for "Jew" Hollywood, he would have been your average town
> bum instead of a rich boy driving a car he bought with money he was
> paid by "Jew Hollywood".

There's absolutely nothing wrong with "Jewish Hollywood." Until an
insanely jealous Gentile comes along and turns into an adjective: "Jew
Hollywood." Well, like father, like son. As I am sure you must have
also been raised in a volatile household. In case any are unaware, Mel
made the following comments to his arresting officer: "Are you a Jew?"
"F*ck the Jews..they are responsible for all the wars in the world."
-D, NYC "Because I'm a Jew, of course, but more than that, because I'm
a human being, and I care about what goes on in the world. I think the
whole world must be concerned with Israel - this country is the hope of
the future. It combines the wisdom of the old and the energy of the
young. If Israel goes, the whole free world goes" - SHELLEY WINTERS (b.
Shirley Schrift, sweet Jew, raised in NYC, When asked why she devoted
so much effort raising funds for Israel. Quoted in Elinor & Robert
Slater's Great Jewish Women, 1994).."I am frequently asked whether
anti-Semitism played a role in my initial cold welcome to the Senate.
It is possible...But...I never attributed anything that happened to me
to anti-Semitism..A personal snub or problem can be dealt with, but if
you succumb to the paranoia that your opponent is fighting you because
of your religion or ethnic background, then you might as well give up
entirely, because there is no way to change your identity" - JACOB
JAVITS (NY Senator, ala Jacob Javitz Center - world's most famous
convention center, "busiest man in the Senate," from his autobiography,
in which he advised aspiring politcians, from "Great Jewish Quotations:
By Jews & About Jews" By Alfred J. Kolatch).."The first sex symbol in
movie history was Jewish" - THEDA BARA (b. Goodman).."The first theatre
to be used solely for the showing of motion pictures was built by one
of Hollywood's founding Jewish fathers" - ADOLF ZUCKER
(Paramount)..."The star of the first talkie was Jewish" - AL JOLSON (b.
Yoelson)..The first female president of a major Hollywood studio was
Jewish" - SHERRY LANSING (Paramount).."I'm still very pious, very
conscious of being Jewish. I'm a serious man, serious about my work, my
family" - DON RICKLES (umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer, Quoted in Darryl
Lyman's Jewish comedy Catalog, 1989).."My Jewishness informs my entire
life. I do the rituals and the holidays, and I love my Jewishness. I
love the tradition...belonging to a history of people are what I like
most - the comfort that I feel through the ancestral links of
centuries" - MANDY PATINKIN.."I'm the only Jew on TV who isn't afraid
to say I'm Jewish or talk about being Jewish. I'm the one who teaches
these people {the show's non-Jewish family} how to have a real
Christmas. I'm the one that shows them that family and togetherness are
what's important. This was a show about a Jew who is having a Christmas
every Jew dreams of. To deny that growing up, it seemed like Christmas
was a more fun holiday - if anybody wasn't honest about that, they're
bullshitting themselves" - FRAN DRESCHER (b. Queens, umpteenth sweet,
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[Zac]

> There's absolutely nothing wrong with "Jewish Hollywood."

That's right. Much of it is Jewish, and some isn't.

> Until an
> insanely jealous Gentile comes along and turns into an adjective: "Jew
> Hollywood." Well, like father, like son. As I am sure you must have
> also been raised in a volatile household.

??? You missed that I was paraphrasing the posted I was answering when
I echoed "Jew Hollywood". It was sarcasm. I am part Jewish, and raised
in a very stable home, thank you. Mel seems to have followed in his
father's footsteps though. First a Nazi, then a bigot son.


> In case any are unaware, Mel
> made the following comments to his arresting officer: "Are you a Jew?"
> "F*ck the Jews..they are responsible for all the wars in the world."
> -D, NYC

Yes, that's been reported on the TV and radio, except the part about
him asking the cop if he was Jewish. It's also being reporting that the
cops may have covered up Mel's abuse, so it's entirely possible he was
at least that vulgar and racist.

[mr_antone]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 GMT, "Uncle Moishe" <unc@hunk.il> wrote:

>This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
>Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
>be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
>alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
>said "fucking jews".
>
>BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%
>in most places not long ago. And in the past in NY it was actually .15% When
>Bush got a DUI in Maine years ago he was charged at .1% (just at the limit).
>It was a violation no different than a traffic violation not a criminal
>offence. Of course, he was probably WELL about that limit and the cop just
>charged him for .1%

No one forced Gibson to drink.


mr_antone

[z]

OJ too! And Robert Blake! and Osama! They're All In On It Together!
Barbara Steisand is the Mastermind!

[Joe Jared]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:

> This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
> Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to

Didn't Jews finance it? Most of the movie industry is controlled by Jews.
Are they so closed minded that they can't tell a story they may not agree
with? I think not.

> be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is
> an alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why
> Mel said "fucking jews".

If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd but
often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded. On many
occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there was
no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and tongue
was in effect. However, how many of us have had thoughts that never exited
our lips that would have been deemed just as bad if spoken? As to whether
or not Mel's career is over, I don't think so. You can get whatever
opinion you want to hear on this subject though if you wait long enough
and if you have money and a weak character, you can market that opinion
and possibly cause damage to Mel's career. The press will have entirely
forgotten about it until any court date within a matter of days, and Mel
will be back on track, assuming he has the required humility.


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[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 31-Jul-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:
>
> > This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of
> > The
> > Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending
> > to
>
> Didn't Jews finance it?

No, it was all his own work.
No one would touch it, NON-Jews as well.
It was virulently hate-filled - one of the reasons it was filmed in
*Aramaic*.

> Most of the movie industry is controlled by Jews.

Not really.
There;s a high percentage of Jews - or, more correctly, people who others
identify
as Jews, sure.
But MOST of the vindustry isn;t "comtrolled by Jews" - and ALL of the
industry is
controlled by MONEY.


> Are they so closed minded that they can't tell a story they may not agree
> with? I think not.
>
> > be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is
> > an alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why
> > Mel said "fucking jews".
>
> If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
> christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd but
> often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded.

You'll only notice this if you are preprogrammed to notice it.

> On many
> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there was
> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and tongue
> was in effect.

So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?

> However, how many of us have had thoughts that never exited
> our lips that would have been deemed just as bad if spoken? As to whether
> or not Mel's career is over, I don't think so. You can get whatever
> opinion you want to hear on this subject though if you wait long enough
> and if you have money and a weak character, you can market that opinion
> and possibly cause damage to Mel's career. The press will have entirely
> forgotten about it until any court date within a matter of days, and Mel
> will be back on track, assuming he has the required humility.
>
He's going to go on as long as his money lasts.

Susan
>
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> If you see weird responses, please do not reply to them.
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[Miriam Cohen]

Zac wrote:
>>There's absolutely nothing wrong with "Jewish Hollywood."
>
>
> That's right. Much of it is Jewish, and some isn't.
>
>
>>Until an
>>insanely jealous Gentile comes along and turns into an adjective: "Jew
>>Hollywood." Well, like father, like son. As I am sure you must have
>>also been raised in a volatile household.
>
>
> ??? You missed that I was paraphrasing the posted I was answering when
> I echoed "Jew Hollywood". It was sarcasm. I am part Jewish, and raised
> in a very stable home, thank you. Mel seems to have followed in his
> father's footsteps though. First a Nazi, then a bigot son.
>
>
>
>>In case any are unaware, Mel
>>made the following comments to his arresting officer: "Are you a Jew?"
>>"F*ck the Jews..they are responsible for all the wars in the world."
>>-D, NYC
>
>
> Yes, that's been reported on the TV and radio, except the part about
> him asking the cop if he was Jewish. It's also being reporting that the
> cops may have covered up Mel's abuse, so it's entirely possible he was
> at least that vulgar and racist.

A) there's no such thing as "part Jewish" you either are or you are not.

B) Jewish isn't a race any more than Baptist is and while Gibson is a
bigot and vulgar it doesn't necessarily follow that he also hates /
fears Blacks and or Asians.

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Miriam Cohen]

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:
>
>
>>This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
>>Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
>
>
> Didn't Jews finance it? Most of the movie industry is controlled by Jews.
> Are they so closed minded that they can't tell a story they may not agree
> with? I think not.

One would think you'd be too embarrassed to show your face in public
after falling for this inaccurate stereotype. Jews haven't run or
controlled Hollywood since Samuel L Goldwyn (Goldfisch) died.

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[slim]

On 2006-07-30 15:06:07 -0400, windinghighway@aol.com said:

>
> clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
>> "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
>> the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
>> --
>
> Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> me.

http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm

--
- Slim

[Joe Jared]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

>>> If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
>> christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd but
>> often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded.
>
> You'll only notice this if you are preprogrammed to notice it.

Preprogrammed? My comments were based on observed behaviors.

>> On many
>> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there was
>> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and tongue
>> was in effect.
>
> So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?

Nope. I said similar, Jews weren't the focus of my thoughts.

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[Zac]

Miriam Cohen wrote:

> A) there's no such thing as "part Jewish" you either are or you are not.

Oh, ease up. The world isn't so black and white. Nothing is. According
to the definitions YOU live by, you may be unable to imagine "part
Jewish". But your standards and those of others don't decide for me. Do
all Jews go to hell upon death because Christians believe that those
who don't accept Christ as savior go there? I doubt Jewish people
believe they're obligated to Christian rules.

Anyway, as my father is Jewish and my mother isn't... it's OK for me to
say I'm part Jewish. In actuality, I guess it's HALF Jewish. To an
Orthodox relative of my dad's, I'm not Jewish because my mom didn't
convert. Yet I had a bris with a Reform mohel, mixed upbringing and I
didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. Now... you tell me: am I kosher or not? I'll
stick with Half Jewish. Although I was referring more to my X and Y
chromosomes than my beliefs. If I decided to choose a religion to
adhere to, I'd say I'm Jewish. But I haven't decided that yet.


> B) Jewish isn't a race any more than Baptist is and while Gibson is a
> bigot and vulgar it doesn't necessarily follow that he also hates /
> fears Blacks and or Asians.

What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 31-Jul-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>
> >>> If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
> >> christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd but
> >> often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded.
> >
> > You'll only notice this if you are preprogrammed to notice it.
>
> Preprogrammed? My comments were based on observed behaviors.
Gee, then it's rather onvenient that it sounds exactly the same,
and never mind how it';s different from the experiences of actual Jews I
know.
>
> >> On many
> >> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there
> >> was
> >> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and
> >> tongue
> >> was in effect.
> >
> > So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?
>
> Nope. I said similar, Jews weren't the focus of my thoughts.

Which, if it makes sense at all, contradicts itself.

Susan

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 31-Jul-2006, "Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Miriam Cohen wrote:
>
> > A) there's no such thing as "part Jewish" you either are or you are not.
>
> Oh, ease up. The world isn't so black and white. Nothing is.

You don't get to decide who is/not Jewish, or anything aboutit.
Jewish law does.
For you to say this would be like an illegal immigrant saying
that *he's* an American because he says so.

Some things are black & white - this is one of them.

Susan

[Miriam Cohen]

Zac wrote:
> Miriam Cohen wrote:
>
>
>>A) there's no such thing as "part Jewish" you either are or you are not.
>
>
> Oh, ease up. The world isn't so black and white. Nothing is. According
> to the definitions YOU live by, you may be unable to imagine "part
> Jewish". But your standards and those of others don't decide for me. Do
> all Jews go to hell upon death because Christians believe that those
> who don't accept Christ as savior go there? I doubt Jewish people
> believe they're obligated to Christian rules.
>
> Anyway, as my father is Jewish and my mother isn't... it's OK for me to
> say I'm part Jewish. In actuality, I guess it's HALF Jewish. To an
> Orthodox relative of my dad's, I'm not Jewish because my mom didn't
> convert. Yet I had a bris with a Reform mohel, mixed upbringing and I
> didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. Now... you tell me: am I kosher or not? I'll
> stick with Half Jewish. Although I was referring more to my X and Y
> chromosomes than my beliefs. If I decided to choose a religion to
> adhere to, I'd say I'm Jewish. But I haven't decided that yet.

No matter how much you whine about it there's no such thing as "part
Jew" and *I* don't pretend to make the rules of who is and who is not a
Jew. You aren't one of us.

>>B) Jewish isn't a race any more than Baptist is and while Gibson is a
>>bigot and vulgar it doesn't necessarily follow that he also hates /
>>fears Blacks and or Asians.
>
>
> What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
> of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.

You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:

> > What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
> > of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.
>
> You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.

Well, it is when the bigot in question isists on treating us like a race.
It's why it gets included with all the anti-racism legislation.
While it does blur the truth for the literal minded, I do like to see bigots
(targets of said legislation) hoisted own their own petard.

Susan

[Joe Jared]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:02:52 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

>
> On 31-Jul-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>>
>> >>> If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
>> >> christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd but
>> >> often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded.
>> >
>> > You'll only notice this if you are preprogrammed to notice it.
>>
>> Preprogrammed? My comments were based on observed behaviors.
> Gee, then it's rather onvenient that it sounds exactly the same,
> and never mind how it';s different from the experiences of actual Jews I
> know.

So this is a personal issue for you. I can accept that. My observations
differ from yours, and in fact, I wasn't just discussing Jews. That's all
you saw.

>>
>> >> On many
>> >> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there
>> >> was
>> >> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and
>> >> tongue
>> >> was in effect.
>> >
>> > So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?
>>
>> Nope. I said similar, Jews weren't the focus of my thoughts.
>
> Which, if it makes sense at all, contradicts itself.

Jews weren't the only groups persecuted and aren't the only group that are
racially profiled. In fact, Jews aren't the only cultures that have
suffered from genocide. To say if it's not Jewish it's not similar is
ridiculous.

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[z]

slim wrote:
> On 2006-07-30 15:06:07 -0400, windinghighway@aol.com said:
>
> >
> > clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> >> the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
> >> ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
> >> --
> >
> > Do you have a source for this "quote"? It sounds highly improbable to
> > me.
>
> http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm
>
> --
> - Slim

"Editor's note: Georgie Anne Geyer's May 10 column included a quote
from Ariel Sharon, 'I control America.' This quote was widely
reported in the Palestinian press but cannot be confirmed in
independent sources. Geyer and Universal Press Syndicate regret not
having attributed the quote more specifically."
<http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=108&x_article=34>

[z]

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:
>
> > This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
> > Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
> > be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
> > alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
> > said "fucking jews".
>
>
> You might have heard, Mel apologized and identified as an alcoholic, and
> acknowledged problems with alcohol all through adulthood. While he's not
> the first celebrity, I have to give him credit for taking responsibility
> and not trying to use money and lower life forms (lawyers) to avoid it.
>
> > BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%
>
> A lot of stupid Californians. It used to be .12%. Most who get dui's are
> well in excess of the limit. The .08 is purely a scare factor. Drink
> more than 1 oz/hour, go to jail.
>
>
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How antisemitic do you have to be to believe that any random cop is
probably a Jew? Not outisde of Israel, Mel.

[Miriam Cohen]

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
>>>of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.
>>
>>You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.
>
>
> Well, it is when the bigot in question isists on treating us like a race.

Words mean things hatred / fear of Blacks or Asians is racism, hatred /
fear of Jews is bigotry and thanks to Wilhelm Marr that specific kind of
bigotry has a name.

> It's why it gets included with all the anti-racism legislation.
> While it does blur the truth for the literal minded, I do like to see bigots
> (targets of said legislation) hoisted own their own petard.

Hate crimes against homosexuals are still hate crimes but no one with
even a tiny bit of knowledge of the English language would call hatred /
fear of gays "racism". People who hate a member of a group for being a
member of that group are bigots; racists are a subset of bigots.

> Susan


--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Miriam Cohen]

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:02:52 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>
>
>>On 31-Jul-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
>>>>>
>>>>>christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd but
>>>>>often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded.
>>>>
>>>>You'll only notice this if you are preprogrammed to notice it.
>>>
>>>Preprogrammed? My comments were based on observed behaviors.
>>
>>Gee, then it's rather onvenient that it sounds exactly the same,
>>and never mind how it';s different from the experiences of actual Jews I
>>know.
>
>
> So this is a personal issue for you. I can accept that. My observations
> differ from yours, and in fact, I wasn't just discussing Jews. That's all
> you saw.

Speaking of "all you saw" you've ASSumed that because we share a last
name that Susan is me.

>>>>>On many
>>>>>occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there
>>>>>was
>>>>>no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and
>>>>>tongue
>>>>>was in effect.
>>>>
>>>>So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?
>>>
>>>Nope. I said similar, Jews weren't the focus of my thoughts.
>>
>>Which, if it makes sense at all, contradicts itself.
>
>
> Jews weren't the only groups persecuted

and who said they are? Certainly not Susan or I.

> and aren't the only group that are racially profiled.

Yes, well that *WOULD* be difficult as Jews are not a race. It's really
difficult (nay impossible) to racially profile a group that isn't a race.

> In fact, Jews aren't the only cultures that have
> suffered from genocide.

The only one who's said they are is you in that sentence right there.
Neither Susan or I claimed that no other group has suffered attempted
genocide; right alongside Jews Gypsies were marched into concentration
camps, too.

> To say if it's not Jewish it's not similar is ridiculous.

You are the one being ridiculous and you're not a Jew, not even partway.

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Adam Albright]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:26:24 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:

>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>> On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
>>>>of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.
>>>
>>>You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.
>>
>>
>> Well, it is when the bigot in question isists on treating us like a race.
>
>Words mean things hatred / fear of Blacks or Asians is racism, hatred /
>fear of Jews is bigotry and thanks to Wilhelm Marr that specific kind of
>bigotry has a name.
>
>> It's why it gets included with all the anti-racism legislation.
>> While it does blur the truth for the literal minded, I do like to see bigots
>> (targets of said legislation) hoisted own their own petard.
>
>Hate crimes against homosexuals are still hate crimes but no one with
>even a tiny bit of knowledge of the English language would call hatred /
>fear of gays "racism". People who hate a member of a group for being a
>member of that group are bigots; racists are a subset of bigots.
>
>> Susan

Jews are the biggest bigots on the planet. Obviously what Israel is
doing now in Lebanon are hate crimes. The damn Israeli government has
openly stated they want to destroy Hezbollah. That makes them every
bit as much a terrorist group of thugs as they claim Hezbollah is.

Facts are facts. Try not to choke on them.

This in no way should be taken as support of Hezbollah, rather it
illustrates that Israel is just as bad and is engaged in the same
kinds of violence which nobody can deny. Stop the insanity! Innocent
children are dying. That blood is on Israel's hands. Try to run away
from it, but you can't.

[yD]

Uncle Moishe wrote:
> This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
> Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
> be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
> alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
> said "fucking jews".

Actually, I think he was talking about the women he was photgraphed
with before he got arrested. Very cunning, we are, booze and good
lookin' women and the Jew hater goes down!
BTW: did you notice that one hair out of place in his mug shot? Wow!
That takes care of his vanity problem, too. Too damn cunning by half!
yD
.... snip for space...
> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51295

[clifffreeling@yahoo.com]

windinghighway@aol.com wrote:
>
> So I checked it out myself and guess where it first appeared?

Smart boy, go tell mommy.

> In an October 3, 2001 press release from an islamic fundamentalist
> group, IAP - the Islamic Association for Palestine. They claimed
> the statement was made in an Israeli cabinet meeting. It was not
> reported by any other news service.

Who'd you expect to report it, the Zio-American mainstream
media? Dumbass aol shit-for-brains.

--------
Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
Israel's favor.
Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
---------
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
----------
"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001

--
Cliff

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:

> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> > On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
> >>>of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.
> >>
> >>You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.
> >
> >
> > Well, it is when the bigot in question isists on treating us like a
> > race.
>
> Words mean things hatred / fear of Blacks or Asians is racism, hatred /
> fear of Jews is bigotry and thanks to Wilhelm Marr that specific kind of
> bigotry has a name.
>
> > It's why it gets included with all the anti-racism legislation.
> > While it does blur the truth for the literal minded, I do like to see
> > bigots
> > (targets of said legislation) hoisted own their own petard.
>
> Hate crimes against homosexuals are still hate crimes but no one with
> even a tiny bit of knowledge of the English language would call hatred /
> fear of gays "racism". People who hate a member of a group for being a
> member of that group are bigots; racists are a subset of bigots.

Of course, but I wasn;t speaking of propoer English.

Susan

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:02:52 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>
> >
> > On 31-Jul-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> If you ever conduct business with a Jew, as compared to a 'devout
> >> >> christian non-jew', you'll note that as a rule they're more shrewd
> >> >> but
> >> >> often those high and mighty devout types are more backanded.
> >> >
> >> > You'll only notice this if you are preprogrammed to notice it.
> >>
> >> Preprogrammed? My comments were based on observed behaviors.
> > Gee, then it's rather onvenient that it sounds exactly the same,
> > and never mind how it';s different from the experiences of actual Jews I
> > know.
>
> So this is a personal issue for you. I can accept that. My observations
> differ from yours, and in fact, I wasn't just discussing Jews. That's all
> you saw.
>
> >>
> >> >> On many
> >> >> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but
> >> >> there
> >> >> was
> >> >> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and
> >> >> tongue
> >> >> was in effect.
> >> >
> >> > So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the
> >> > world?
> >>
> >> Nope. I said similar, Jews weren't the focus of my thoughts.
> >
> > Which, if it makes sense at all, contradicts itself.
>
> Jews weren't the only groups persecuted and aren't the only group that are
> racially profiled. In fact, Jews aren't the only cultures that have
> suffered from genocide.

I have never said anything of the sort.

> To say if it's not Jewish it's not similar is
> ridiculous.
>
This post f yours is getting pretty ridiculous, because you haven't
addressed what I said, you are trying to deny what you said, and
you are also trying to change what I've said.

Susan
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[Zac]

OK. then answer my question. Neither you nor Miriam did. Again:

My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert. I had
a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish & Catholic,
and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
me: what does Jewish law say I am?

Please don't characterize my question or circumstances, please tell me
what you believe Jewish law says.

[Zac]

Miriam Cohen wrote:
> You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.

Actually my dear, "I don't think so".

[zr]

Judaism is a matriarchal society. In other words if your mother isn't Jewish
neither are you.

"Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154461679.786496.238360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> OK. then answer my question. Neither you nor Miriam did. Again:
>
> My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert. I had
> a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish & Catholic,
> and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
> insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
> me: what does Jewish law say I am?
>
> Please don't characterize my question or circumstances, please tell me
> what you believe Jewish law says.
>

[Miriam Cohen]

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>>On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>What's your point here? That I included racism in the characterization
>>>>>of Mr. Gibson? Let's not be so P.C.
>>>>
>>>>You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, it is when the bigot in question isists on treating us like a
>>>race.
>>
>>Words mean things hatred / fear of Blacks or Asians is racism, hatred /
>>fear of Jews is bigotry and thanks to Wilhelm Marr that specific kind of
>>bigotry has a name.
>>
>>
>>>It's why it gets included with all the anti-racism legislation.
>>>While it does blur the truth for the literal minded, I do like to see
>>>bigots
>>>(targets of said legislation) hoisted own their own petard.
>>
>>Hate crimes against homosexuals are still hate crimes but no one with
>>even a tiny bit of knowledge of the English language would call hatred /
>>fear of gays "racism". People who hate a member of a group for being a
>>member of that group are bigots; racists are a subset of bigots.
>
>
> Of course, but I wasn;t speaking of propoer English.
>
> Susan

But, Susan, how can we ever teach the bigots to use the proper words if
we don't use them ourselves?

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Miriam Cohen]

zr wrote:
> Judaism is a matriarchal society. In other words if your mother isn't Jewish
> neither are you.

That's a fact. All of your male antecedents can be Jewish and you still
aren't if your mother wasn't.

> "Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154461679.786496.238360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>OK. then answer my question. Neither you nor Miriam did. Again:
>>
>>My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert. I had
>>a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish & Catholic,
>>and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
>>insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
>>me: what does Jewish law say I am?
>>
>>Please don't characterize my question or circumstances, please tell me
>>what you believe Jewish law says.
>>
>
>
>


--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Miriam Cohen]

Zac wrote:
> Miriam Cohen wrote:
>
>>You really are dense, the point is that hatred of Jews *ISN'T* racism.
>
>
> Actually my dear, "I don't think

You've made that blatantly obvious to the most casual observer, perhaps
if you were to start thinking you'd at least be making some progress.
Dull stupid men bore me, buh bye.


--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Uncle Moishe]

"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
news:UZvzg.109415$iU2.103050@fed1read01...
> Joe Jared wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
>>>Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending
>>>to
>>
>>
>> Didn't Jews finance it? Most of the movie industry is controlled by
>> Jews.
>> Are they so closed minded that they can't tell a story they may not
>> agree
>> with? I think not.
>
> One would think you'd be too embarrassed to show your face in public after
> falling for this inaccurate stereotype. Jews haven't run or controlled
> Hollywood since Samuel L Goldwyn (Goldfisch) died.

He actually went broke then had a stroke :o) BTW, even Goldfish( not
Goldfisch) wasn't his real name. He changed it to that when he was in
England to sound more English. His real name which I can't recall was some
difficult Polish name. He was also an illegal alien who jumped ship in
Canada (he had no papers and was afraid US Customs would send him back) and
made his way down to New York.
>
> --
>>
>

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, "Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK. then answer my question. Neither you nor Miriam did. Again:

I had no idea you were *(asking* anything, but telling people.
>
> My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert

Which makes you a non-Jew.

.. I had
> a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish & Catholic,
> and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
> insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
> me: what does Jewish law say I am?
>
As above, a non-Jew.

> Please don't characterize my question or circumstances

I won't but I have to ask: if you didn't want circumstances, why did you
mention them?

Susan

>, please tell me
> what you believe Jewish law says.

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, "zr" <ngzr@cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Judaism is a matriarchal society. In other words if your mother isn't
> Jewish
> neither are you.

Er, thi is is not 100% correct.
Judaism is both matriarchal & patriarchal - the religion goes thru the
mother but the tribal affiliation goes through the father. AND, you can
convert.

Susan
>
> "Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154461679.786496.238360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > OK. then answer my question. Neither you nor Miriam did. Again:
> >
> > My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert. I had
> > a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish & Catholic,
> > and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
> > insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
> > me: what does Jewish law say I am?
> >
> > Please don't characterize my question or circumstances, please tell me
> > what you believe Jewish law says.
> >

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:

> > Of course, but I wasn;t speaking of propoer English.
> >
> > Susan
>
> But, Susan, how can we ever teach the bigots to use the proper words if
> we don't use them ourselves?

I have always pointe dout that Judaism isn't a race, but I have always
pointed out that hatred of Judaism mirrors racism, because that is
precisely how they hate us. But you are correct Much as I would like
to see them hoist on their own petard, we should be correct even if
they can't.

Susan

[Zac]

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> I had no idea you were *(asking* anything, but telling people.

Originally, I wasn't. I am what I am and I said it on the fly. You and
the other lady objected, saying it was impossible, and I went off on a
tangent trying to explain because I was annoyed at being told I
couldn't be what I have long believed is the truth. Not that the
commentary changes my life though; it doesn't. But I could have made it
clear I was open to hearing why you thought so.

> > My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert
>
> Which makes you a non-Jew.

Did you even hear of the Reform movement? (note sarcasm) The Reform
movement accepts the PA*ternal link. When I was growing up, I was
always considered Jewish.


> . I had a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish & Catholic,
> > and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
> > insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
> > me: what does Jewish law say I am?

> As above, a non-Jew.

I'm not Christian either. I don't believe Jesus is my savior. I never
worshiped in a church, I was just exposed to it. I was told I meet all
the standards of being considered Jewish. I don't do things on the
holidays, but most Jewish people I know don't, and I have friends who
bailed out of Bar Mitzvahs as I did but they're still Jewish. (my
family did try to get me to do the Bar Mitzvah but I was so adamant
that they knew that if they forced me, they'd all regret it when I had
the chance to open my mouth, so they let it go)

> > Please don't characterize my question or circumstances
>
> I won't but I have to ask: if you didn't want circumstances, why did you
> mention them?

my prerogative to babble I guess. All in all, doesn't it seem better to
have accepted my saying I'm part Jewish or half Jewish?

Actually, if I had to be pinned down, I would say I'm Jewish. Having
said nothing else, there would have been no argument or debate if it
were accurate. It just would have been accepted.

[Your Pervert Uncle Moishe]

<darrint68@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1154284615.428198.162820@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> clifffreeling@yahoo.com fingerpainted the following:
>
>> Uncle Moishe wrote:
>> > This is typical of yids.
>>
>> They tried to smear Brando the same way after his comments.
>> Didn't work.>
>> -----
>> Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
>> Israel's favor.
>> Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
>
>
> many films since "Passion Of The Christ?" LOL! -D, NYC "Virtually all
> acting in motion pictures stems from her, and she had an extraordinary
> effect on the culture of her time. I don't think audiences realize how
> much we are in debt to her, to other Jews and to the Russian theatre
> for most performances we see now" - MARLON BRANDO

Brando was a mumbling stumble bum from the mid west. I guess he never heard
of ancient Greek theatre or Shakespeare, Marlowe, Jonson and the 1000's more
which followed to the the present day. As far as the Russian theatre, I
can't think of 1 well known jew.


(commenting on the
> contribution of Stella Adler (who died in 1994) to the theatre and her
> influence upon actors, from "Great Jewish Quotations: By Jews & About
> Jews" By Alfred J. Kolatch).."You can't have a Jew play a Jew. It won't
> work" - SAMUEL L. GOLDWYN (b. Goldfisch, founding Jewish father of
> Hollywood, commenting on his casting of Frank Sinatra in the movie
> version of Guys & Dolls after it had been played on Broadway by Sam
> Levene, ibid).."When the historian visits Hebron today, he asks
> himself: Where are all those peoples which once held the place? Where
> are the Canaanites? Where are the Edomites? Where are the ancient
> Hellenes and the Romans,

He doesn't know where the Romans are? What a schmuck.

the Byzantines, the Franks, the Mameluks and
> the Ottomans? They have vanished into time, irrevocably. But the Jews
> are still in Hebron"

Not for long.


- PAUL JOHNSON, British Historian.."The trouble
> with New York is it's so convenient to everything I can't afford!" eh -
> JACK BENNY (b. Kubelsky, sweet Jew).."Of course I was always proud to
> be a Jew, even though it would have been easier for me not to be. I
> remember when I auditioned as a young actor in a Yiddish theatre in New
> York. They looked at me and said: "If we have a part for a Nazi, we'll
> call you" - KIRK DOUGLAS (Quoted in London's Daily Mail, Sept. 9. 1988,
> b. Issidur Danielovitch Demsky, NYC).."Perhaps my own personal early
> background, a thoroughly anti-Semitic culture, enables me to perceive
> more clearly than most certain realities of Jewish-Gentile relations in
> the US. Anti-Semites, whether of the truly vicious or almost casual
> type, perceive Jews as inferior...On the contrary, they are superior" -
> STEVE ALLEN.

Allen was quite senile in his last years. BTW, he's Irish.

.."The extraordinary European Jews who emigrated to New York
> were enriching the city's intellectual life with an intensity that has
> probably never been equaled anywhere during a comparable period of
> time. I was raised largely by these Jews...They were my teachers; they
> were my employers; they were my friends. They introduced me to a world
> of books and ideas that I didn't know existed" - MARLON BRANDO

Brando knows nothing about NYC.



>> myself an American first" - HENRY KISSINGER.."The Jews, a people who
> have survived the deaths of many empires

The jews never had an empire. When you live like vagabond gypsies the fact
that some of you survived means nothing. After all, the American Indian
still makes up 2% of the US population and they're been around for 12,000
years in North America.


that tried to destroy them -
> including but not limited to the Egyptians, Romans, Babylonians,
> Persians - have only one homeland, Israel, continuously occupied by
> them for 4,000 years and never a nation-state belonging to any others"

Total jew bullshit.



> -

[Miriam Cohen]

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 1-Aug-2006, Miriam Cohen <mimiNOigalSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Of course, but I wasn;t speaking of propoer English.
>>>
>>>Susan
>>
>>But, Susan, how can we ever teach the bigots to use the proper words if
>>we don't use them ourselves?
>
>
> I have always pointe dout that Judaism isn't a race, but I have always
> pointed out that hatred of Judaism mirrors racism, because that is
> precisely how they hate us. But you are correct Much as I would like
> to see them hoist on their own petard, we should be correct even if
> they can't.
>
> Susan

Thanks and you'll help me in my quest to teach the world (at least the
part of it that reads and / or posts to soc.culture.jewish <g>) to use
the correct word? :)

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[Joe Jared]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

>> On many
>> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there was
>> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and tongue
>> was in effect.
>
> So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?

Yes, you did say something of the sort.

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[Joe Jared]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:33:55 -0700, Miriam Cohen wrote:

>> Yes, well that *WOULD* be difficult as Jews are not a race. It's really
> difficult (nay impossible) to racially profile a group that isn't a race.
>
>> In fact, Jews aren't the only cultures that have
>> suffered from genocide.
>
> The only one who's said they are is you in that sentence right there.
> Neither Susan or I claimed that no other group has suffered attempted
> genocide; right alongside Jews Gypsies were marched into concentration
> camps, too.

Did I say race or culture? There's really only one race. Personally, I
think this Mel Gibson and Jew talk is a waste of bandwidth. It wasn't Mel
that got up in front of a microphone and stated views to millions of
people. It was dirt digging reporters and lame talk show hosts. It was
Mel who drank, took responsibility and apologized. I'm thinking he'll
have a renewed drive to stay sober and make even better movies, such as,
"The passion of the anti-defamation league". ;-)

>
>> To say if it's not Jewish it's not similar is ridiculous.
>
> You are the one being ridiculous and you're not a Jew, not even partway.

You're absolutely right, from a non-cult member perspective. I'm 100%
human, and 0% religious, not to be confused with godless.

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[Joe Jared]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:47:59 -0700, Zac wrote:

> My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert. I had

So, you're Jewish if _YOU_ convert? Why are you making it so complicated?


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[Joe Jared]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:12:11 -0700, z wrote:

> How antisemitic do you have to be to believe that any random cop is
> probably a Jew? Not outisde of Israel, Mel.

There's another couple words that would easily replace antisemitic.

mental illness.

The actress who played Lois Lane in the Superman movie on at least one
occasion found herself in an embarrassing situation as a result of her
mental illness, and it's not uncommon for alcoholics to also suffer from
illnesses such as Bipolar disorder. In even the mildest of
conditions, alcohol can become a trigger for a manic or hypo-manic
episode, triggering very unusual behavior. I know of this both first and
second hand, but obviously can't speak for Mel.


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[Darrin]

Back from his extended weekend pass from the insane asylum, Your
Pervert Uncle Moishe (aka Voice of Reason, Mr. Nice Guy, The Boss,
Hymie The Jew, Avenger, Moishe The Jew, Dr. Lipschitz (insert 5
variations of his pretend doctor pseudonym here) fingerpainted the
following anti-Semitic lies:

> <darrint68@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1154284615.428198.162820@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> > clifffreeling@yahoo.com fingerpainted the following:
> >
> >> Uncle Moishe wrote:
> >> > This is typical of yids.
> >>
> >> They tried to smear Brando the same way after his comments.
> >> Didn't work.>
> >> -----
> >> Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
> >> Israel's favor.
> >> Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
> >
> >
> > many films since "Passion Of The Christ?" LOL! -D, NYC "Virtually all
> > acting in motion pictures stems from her, and she had an extraordinary
> > effect on the culture of her time. I don't think audiences realize how
> > much we are in debt to her, to other Jews and to the Russian theatre
> > for most performances we see now" - MARLON BRANDO>

> Brando was a mumbling stumble bum from the mid west. I guess he never heard
> of ancient Greek theatre or Shakespeare, Marlowe, Jonson and the 1000's more
> which followed to the the present day. As far as the Russian theatre, I
> can't think of 1 well known jew.>

Konstantin Stanislavski - "father of method acting!" Einstein (take a
guess what his religion was?ehe), you don't get any bigger than him!
Still haven't mastered the Jewish motto: so few in number, yet so great
in ability!! Next... Once again, the only accomplishment in your
pathetic life, is to envy the Jew! Shakespeare may have indirectly
influenced actors with his material, but Lee Strasberg & Stella Adler
(sweet Jews) of the Actors Studio in NYC, forever changed the way we
view it as a craft. Before Brando came onto the scene, most actors read
their lines in a stiff manner. None more so than in British films! LOL!
Before Brando, there was nothing! John Garfield (b. Julius Garfinkle,
NYC, sweet Jew) may have been the first "rebel" of Hollywood, and James
Dean may have been "the first American teenager," but Brando was the
first one to propel "the method" to the masses. He was pure genius in A
Streetcar Named Desire (also starred on Broadway) & On The Waterfront.
-D, NYC "Theatregoing was an essential component of immigrant life.
During the early 1900s, more than 1,000 performances a year were given
before an audience of about two million paying customers. Four major
Yiddish theatres - the Grand, the People's, the Thalia, and the Windsor
- opened around the Bowery, each individually seating well over 1,000.
The theatres were often full, despite tickets that cost twenty-five
cents to a dollar at a time when many workers made less than ten
dollars a week. Theatrical leads such as Boris Thomashefsky, Jacob
Adler, Molly Picon, and Bertha Kalich were stars of major magnitude and
adored by fans throughout the world. Jacob Adler "had a court, and when
you saw him in the streets he was preceded and followed by his fans,"
recalled Jacob Epstein, a Jewish artist who grew up on the Lower East
Side" - "FROM YIDDISH THEATRE TO JEWISH-AMERICAN CULTURE" (excerpt
from: Jewish New York: Notable Neighborhoods and Memorable Moments by
Ira Wolfman).."The Jewish cultural contribution to New York City has
been nothing short of remarkable. Jewish writers, musicians, poets,
playwrights, lyricists, composers, painters, sculptors, actors,
directors, comics, and entertainers have greatly enriched the lively
artistic scene for which New York is well-known. In addition, Jewish
patronage of the arts has played a major role in making the city's
cultural tapestry one of the most vivid in the world" - (ibid).."I made
a very strong choice to raise him Jewish with my first wife, Amy
Irving, who was half-Jewish. When I began to read books to him, I had
to make a choice. Do I read books about Santa Claus or do I read books
about Moses an Abraham and Isaac?" - STEVEN SPIELBERG (in 1985, after
the birth of his son, he was led to re-examine his connection with
Judaism. From an interview with Tom Tugend in The Jewish Week, December
10-16, 1993, most successful filmmaker since the advent of film).."The
answer to anti-Semitism is education. You have to forgive somebody his
poor upbringing. You cannot hold it against him. You can, but at the
same time you have to understand" - MICHELE LEE (sweet Jew, quoted in
Tim Boxer's Jewish Celebrity Hall of Fame, 1987).."1/3 of all American
multimillionaires are tallied as Jewish; 45% of the top 40 of the
Forbes 400 richest Americans are Jewish, yet they comprise a measly 2%
of the American population" - STEVEN SILBIGER ("The Phenomenon of The
Jews" -2000).."Thousands & thousands of details go into the making of a
film. It is the sum total of all these things that either makes a great
picture or destoys it" - DAVID O. SELZNICK (one of the founding Jewish
fathers of Hollywood: Paramount/RKO/MGM/Selznick International).."They
did not want me at all the first year after I won...The sponsors did
not want me. And they asked me to change my name to Bess Merrick. I
explained to that I live in the Sholem Aleichem Apartment Houses with
250 Jewish families, and no one would know who Bess Merrick is. We were
like one family. When someone was evicted, you took in a child, a
mother, a bureau. So I should change my name? I am Louis and Bella
Myerson's daughter" - BESS MYERSON (b. Bronx, first Jewish Miss
America, commenting in 1996, the seventy-fifth anniversary of the Miss
America Pagaent, on the endemic anti-Semitism of the period when she
won the Miss America title in 1945, from "Great Jewish Quotations: By
Jews & About Jews" by Alfred J. Kolatch).."Jews are unique in that for
eighteen-hundred years they have had no country...and have, whenever
there was any pretense of equality of opportunity for them, forged
their way ahead into positions of prominence, influence and power in
business, professions, in philosophy, in art, in literature, and in
government. The harshest persecution and injustice merely strengthen
the peculiarity of the Jew in the adherence to his ancient customs.
Give him the sunlight of freedom and the balmy encouragement of
equality of opportunity and he assimilates himself to his environment
with all the quickness of perception, all the energy, all the
enterprise, all the persistence with which he is so remarkably endowed"
- WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT (27th US President, 1909-1913).."The modern
United States, in spite of itself, IS the United States in part because
of its Jewish blood" - JOE MCCAIN (author, lecturer, historian - "The
Jews Will Not Go Quietly Again!").."The Jews struggled and stuck
together. Their tenacity kept them alive. The fact that my book was a
part of this struggle is my greatest achievement" - LEON URIS.."The
Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were
an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe
that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for
civilizing the nations" - JOHN ADAMS (2nd US President).."It would be a
mistake...to ascribe to Roman legal conceptions an undivided sway over
the development of law and institutions during the Middle Ages...The
Laws of Moses as well as the laws of Rome contributed suggestions and
impulse to the men and institutions which were to prepare the modern
world; and if we could have but eyes to see...we should readily
discover how very much besides religion we owe to the Jew" - WOODROW
WILSON (28th US President).."The pursuit of knowledge for its own sake,
an almost fanatical love of justice, and the desire for personal
independence - these are the features of Jewish tradition that make me
thank my stars that I belong to it" - ALBERT EINSTEIN (Greatest Mind of
The 20th Century).."Because I was a Jew, I found myself free from any
prejudices that limited others in the use of their intellect, and being
a Jew, I was prepared to enter opposition and to renounce agreement
with the 'compact majority'" - DR. SIGMUND FREUD

[Darrin]

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:12:11 -0700, z wrote:
>
> > How antisemitic do you have to be to believe that any random cop is
> > probably a Jew? Not outisde of Israel, Mel.
>
> There's another couple words that would easily replace antisemitic.
>
> mental illness.
>
> The actress who played Lois Lane in the Superman movie on at least one
> occasion found herself in an embarrassing situation as a result of her
> mental illness, and it's not uncommon for alcoholics to also suffer from
> illnesses such as Bipolar disorder. In even the mildest of
> conditions, alcohol can become a trigger for a manic or hypo-manic
> episode, triggering very unusual behavior. I know of this both first and
> second hand, but obviously can't speak for Mel.

Unfortunately for your jealous Gentile self, Mel learned his behavior
from his Holocaust denying father, not from alcohol. BTW, Jews ARE
separate and unique from any other persecuted minority. In terms of the
scope of their persecution, and in terms of their unique ability to
persevere. Jews (1/4 of 1% of the world's population) had gone without
a homeland for eighteen-hundred years, have lost 6M in the Holocaust,
and have endured thousands of years of persecution. In spite of the
overwhelming odds against them, Jews (2% of the American population -
wealthiest ethnic group in the US) are the oldest of any people on
earth - still around with their national identity and cultural heritage
intact. Jews (Judeo precedes Christian) have exerted an influence on
world civilization more profound and lasting than any other ancient
culture. Jews ("J" in "Jewish" must always be capitalized) are
universally acknowledged as the source of many of the world's major
religions. Jews started the whole shebang - life!
Like it or not, God is for the Jews! Like it or not, Israel is for
the Jews! No matter how much tsouris is thrown our way, it has never
impeded our unique ability to persevere. Jews are like the Energizer
Bunny - they keep going..and going..and going! eh And as long as they
keep going, jealous Gentiles (aka anti-Semites) shall continue envying
their disproportionate influence in the world. An analogy of Jewish
influence can be made to the atom (Einstein, Bohr, Teller, Oppenheimer
- all sweet Jews): the secrets of the tiniest particle of matter can,
just like the Jews, change all of human history!
From Einstein to Freud, from Holy Wood to Hollywood, from
Christianity to The Sabbath, from Jesus of Nazareth to Moses, from
Dylan (b. Zimmerman) to Gershwin (b. Gershowitz, NYC), from the polio
vaccine to the syphilis cure, the scope & importance of Jewish
contrbutions to America & the world are staggering! Success breeds
envy. And Jews have been successful in a way that breeds jealousy! -D,
NYC "I am persuaded that in Russia, Austria, and Germany, nine-tenths
of the hostility toward the Jew comes from the average Christian's
inability to compete successfully with the Jew in business - in either
straight business or the questionable sort" - MARK TWAIN.."We must
study in greater detail than their neighbors, these numerically and
geographically insignificant Jews, who gave to the world one of its
greatest literatures, two of its most influential religions and so many
of its profoundest men" - WILL DURANT (The Story Of Civilization,
Volume I).."At these colleges and others, Jews are valued for what
sounds like a stereotype - that Jews are smarter, for instance. Yet the
numbers proclaim something like that to be the case. On the recent
College Boards, Jews averaged 1161. Unitarians did somewhat better
(1209), but the national average was 1020. At the elite Ivy League
schools, Jews make up 23 percent of the student body. They are a measly
2 percent of the U.S. population" "Jewish students, by culture and by
ability and by the very nature of their liveliness, make a university a
much more habitable place in terms of intellectual life," Vanderbilt's
chancellor, Gordon Gee, told the Wall Street Journal. "The very nature
of their liveliness? Is this man out of his mind? Actually, no. Gee is
speaking both a specific truth and a larger truth: Not all groups are
the same" - RICHARD COHEN, Washington Post, "A Study In
Differences".."Roses are Reddish, Violets are Bluish - if it wasn't for
Chistmas, we'd all be Jewish!" ehe - BENNY HILL (adopted stage name
from one of his comedic idols, Jack Benny (b. Kubelsky, sweet
Jew).."I've always felt robbed of something by people not knowing I was
a Jew" - PIPER LAURIE (b. Rosetta Jacobs).."I decided at age 9, but I
was reinforced at age 13 when a teacher told me I had talent. I can't
say she really motivated me because I already knew. I knew I had
talent. I went to the Jewish community theater and got in plays there.
Then I went for the movies" - RICHARD DREYFUSS (b. Bklyn - umpteenth
sweet, Jewish NYer).."People ask how can a Jewish kid from the Bronx do
preppy clothes? Does it have to do with class and money? It has to do
with dreams" - RALPH LAUREN.."People always think I'm Jewish and
changed my last name from Rabinowitz" - NATHAN LANE.."Often when I
found in China an artist of unusual talent or a mind more vivid than
others among my students, the chances were good that he had Jewish
blood in him. It is a creative strain" - PEARL BUCK (Nobel
Laureate).."Hebraic mortar cemented the foundations of American
Democracy"- WILLIAM LECKY, Irish historian.."The Jews are the yeast in
the bread of civilization which causes it to grow" - BEN HECHT
(1894-1964, sweet author, playwright, screenwriter).."Take away the
Jews - and Germany is destitute" - JAMES W. GERARD (ex US ambassador
to Germany - excerpt from "Four Years In Germany" - 1917).."It's
anti-Semitic to point out that Jews are smarter than Gentiles? Gimme a
break. Who doesn't know that Jews are smarter than Gentiles? Newsweek
(8/21/00) gives the Jewish population of the U.S. at two percent. Does
anybody think that the number of Jewish
lawyers, college professors, successful businessmen, mathematicians, is

two percent? Anybody? How can it be offensive to say something so
dazzlingly obvious? If I were Jewish, I'd be flattered to hear this.
For the record, I consider myself a philosemite. It has been truly said

(by Paul Johnson in his History of the Jews) that if you take almost
anything - science, law, philosophy, literature, medicine, music - and
track it back to its roots, you will find Jews there, or at least meet
an awful lot of them along the way. I am a big fan of Western
Civilization: and I know - again, who doesn't know? - that the debt we
Gentiles owe to the Jews is colossal, and can never be repaid. No doubt

I shall now get letters explaining to me that this opinion, too, is
"anti-Semitic". Another thing you learn writing for the public is that
anything whatsoever that you say about Jews or Jewishness is
"anti-Semitic" to somebody out there" - JOHN DERBYSHIRE, National
Review ("10 Things You Can't Say In America").."Yeah, those goddamned
anti-semites with their brutal stereotypes of Jews as smart, driven,
effective businessmen. Such utter cruelty. It's truly sad to see so
many innocent American Jews swept down the path of education, success,
and riches. We can only pray that they, as a people, find a way to
right the ship and get themselves on track. Seriously, since when is it

a myth that Jews have "found incredible success in legitimate areas of
business"? Maybe not *most Jews*, but of all non-WASP ethnic groups in
America, is there anyone as overrepresented in positions of power,
wealth, and influence? I'd be interested to see the percent of Jews in
the overall American population alongside the percent in the upper
tiers of just about any index of personal success you could find. I'd
be willing to bet you'd find that they are far more successful, on
average, than just about any other ethnic group you could find. And
correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't that be a great source of pride?

I would say that Jews pretty much represent the ideal model for any
ethnic group in America to achieve success and assimilation, while
still retaining their cultural heritage - even in the face of and
ignorant, intolerant, bigoted majority. It's true that most of the
rich, powerful men in this country are WASPS, but then so are most of
the degenerate fuck-ups. Of course, I'm a WASP, so I guess using the
term "Jew" makes me an anti-semite" - JT (noaddressgi...@hotmail.com),

online user.."The Jew is the emblem of eternity. He who neither
slaughter nor torture of thousands of years could destroy, he who
neither fire, nor sword, nor Inquisition was able to wipe off the face
of the earth. He who was the first to produce the
Oracles of God. He who has been for so long the Guardian of Prophecy
and has transmitted it to the rest of the world. Such a nation cannot
be destroyed. The Jew is as everlasting as Eternity itself" - LEO
TOLSTOY.."If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent
of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in
the blaze of the Milky way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard
of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on

the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is
extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His
contributions to the world's list of great names in literature,
science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also
away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a
marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with
his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused
for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Roman followed, and made
a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up and held
their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in
twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all,
and is now what he always was, exhibiting decadence, no infirmities of
age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling
of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew;
all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his
immortality?" - MARK TWAIN
http://tinyurl.com/5tn7u (E! Online: Do Jews Run Hollywood!? You Bet
They Do, and What of It? - By Ben Stein, sweet Jew)
http://tinyurl.com/nqp8w (Forbes: Most Expensive Zip Codes: #1 - 11962,
Sagaponack, NY - Hamptons; NY - NY State & NYC appear 20+ more times)
http://tinyurl.com/pyz6a (Top 10 Places To Live & Work For Those Under
35 - NY, NY)
http://tinyurl.com/qs7la (World's Most Expensive Hotel Suites - #1 -
Plaza Hotel, NY, NY)
http://tinyurl.com/7hexr (Best States For Raising Healthy Kids: #2 -
NY)
http://tinyurl.com/3juvb (New York Jewish History - largest, richest,
most creative Jewish community in the world)
http://tinyurl.com/3npsf (NYC - safest, largest city in the US)
http://tinyurl.com/3qkd3 (NYC Statistics & Fun Facts)
http://tinyurl.com/3c6kk (Top 10 Places America Goes To Have Fun -
Times Square)
http://tinyurl.com/3nyhl (America's 5 Most/Least Expensive Cities To
Live In: #1 - NYC - most expensive)
http://tinyurl.com/46f53 (NY, NY - Capital Of The World)
http://www.forbes.com (NY: 3 of Top 5 Most Expensive Homes in the US)
http://tinyurl.com/5zmb6 (Temple Emanu-El, NYC - World's Largest
Synagogue - Guinness World Record holder)
http://tinyurl.com/qnqsb (Brach's - World's Largest Kosher Supermarket,
NY)
http://tinyurl.com/5phxf (US Study - Jews Richer Because Of Religion)
http://tinyurl.com/5gd3p (A Study In Differences - Are Jews Smarter?)
http://tinyurl.com/38m6o (Jewish population of the US by State)
http://tinyurl.com/666cx (Jewish population of the World)
http://tinyurl.com/68ttu (Jewish Nobel Prizes)
http://tinyurl.com/6qb5e (Is It True - Do Jews Win More Nobel Prizes
than anyone else?)
http://tinyurl.com/4cz9j (Tel-Aviv - Top 10 High-Tech Cities In The
World)
http://tinyurl.com/6exvb (Phenomenon Of The Jews)
http://tinyurl.com/ihif (Jews, IQs & Nobel Laureates)

[lestat]

In Florida the BAL is .o8. Would the Jewish community have the money
and connections to fuck someone over this badly?

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:22 +0000, Uncle Moishe wrote:
>
> > This is typical of yids. They're just getting even for the Passion Of The
> > Christ. They set him up in that devious jew way of theirs by pretending to
> > be his friend and plying him with alcohol knowing full well that he is an
> > alcoholic. Then put him into his car and called the cops. This is why Mel
> > said "fucking jews".
>
>
> You might have heard, Mel apologized and identified as an alcoholic, and
> acknowledged problems with alcohol all through adulthood. While he's not
> the first celebrity, I have to give him credit for taking responsibility
> and not trying to use money and lower life forms (lawyers) to avoid it.
>
> > BTW, why all these low alcohol limits recently for driving? .08%? It was .1%
>
> A lot of stupid Californians. It used to be .12%. Most who get dui's are
> well in excess of the limit. The .08 is purely a scare factor. Drink
> more than 1 oz/hour, go to jail.
>
>
> --
> http://www.oretek.com
> If you see weird responses, please do not reply to them.
> Simply visit http://www.oretek.com/jesness/

[lestat]

Yes, so he's a fucking lush. Your two asses magically appeared on an
alcoholic addiction site just for the hell of it? It's quite perverse
how you manage to talk about anything or other people just to hide
behined your own addictions. Please don't let me stop you from hiding
from your addictions. Carry on. I doubt anything I could say would make
a damned bit of difference.

> >
> Yeah, riiiiight. They probably held his mouth open and poured the tequila
> down his throat.
>
> Gibson's an alcoholic, ya fuckin' dipshit.

[Miriam Cohen]

Joe Jared wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>
>
>>>On many
>>>occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there was
>>>no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and tongue
>>>was in effect.
>>
>>So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?
>
>
> Yes, you did say something of the sort.

Only in your delusional "mind".

--
L'Chaim

Miriam

In the beginning
the Word already was.

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 1-Aug-2006, "Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote:

> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> > I had no idea you were *(asking* anything, but telling people.
>
> Originally, I wasn't. I am what I am and I said it on the fly. You and
> the other lady objected, saying it was impossible, and I went off on a
> tangent trying to explain because I was annoyed at being told I
> couldn't be what I have long believed is the truth.

Yes, we know why you are upset.

> Not that the
> commentary changes my life though; it doesn't. But I could have made it
> clear I was open to hearing why you thought so.
>
> > > My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert
> >
> > Which makes you a non-Jew.
>
> Did you even hear of the Reform movement? (note sarcasm)

I also noted that you sid not to mention circumstances.
I also know that you are still not Jewish according to them.

> The Reform
> movement accepts the PA*ternal link.

ONLY in theory, and ONLY if you are RAISED Jewish, and
definitely NOT if you are raised in any other religion - which
you say you were.

> When I was growing up, I was
> always considered Jewish.
>
Only because they obviously didn;t examine your home life.
>
> > . I had a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish &
> > Catholic,
> > > and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
> > > insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
> > > me: what does Jewish law say I am?
>
> > As above, a non-Jew.
>
> I'm not Christian either.

So?
Is there some new law out that says you have to be something?

> I don't believe Jesus is my savior. I never
> worshiped in a church, I was just exposed to it. I was told I meet all
> the standards of being considered Jewish.

That's a shame.

> I don't do things on the
> holidays, but most Jewish people I know don't, and I have friends who
> bailed out of Bar Mitzvahs as I did but they're still Jewish. (my
> family did try to get me to do the Bar Mitzvah but I was so adamant
> that they knew that if they forced me, they'd all regret it when I had
> the chance to open my mouth, so they let it go)
>
> > > Please don't characterize my question or circumstances
> >
> > I won't but I have to ask: if you didn't want circumstances, why did you
> > mention them?
>
> my prerogative to babble I guess. All in all, doesn't it seem better to
> have accepted my saying I'm part Jewish or half Jewish?
>
Not that I can see.

Susan

> Actually, if I had to be pinned down, I would say I'm Jewish. Having
> said nothing else, there would have been no argument or debate if it
> were accurate. It just would have been accepted.

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 2-Aug-2006, Joe Jared <joejared@osirusoft.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:22 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
>
> >> On many
> >> occasions I've had thoughts similar to what Mel verbalized, but there
> >> was
> >> no alcohol in my system at the time, so proper restraint of pen and
> >> tongue
> >> was in effect.
> >
> > So you're saying that Jews really do cause all the trouble in the world?
>
> Yes, you did say something of the sort.

You shoulnd't drink before you post.

[flaviaR@verizon.net]

On 2-Aug-2006, "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In Florida the BAL is .o8. Would the Jewish community have the money
> and connections to fuck someone over this badly?

The Jewnited federation of Planets controls your mind - get used to it.

Susan, with a perfectly straight face

[Miriam Cohen]

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 1-Aug-2006, "Zac" <zaccircd@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>>I had no idea you were *(asking* anything, but telling people.
>>
>>Originally, I wasn't. I am what I am and I said it on the fly. You and
>>the other lady objected, saying it was impossible, and I went off on a
>>tangent trying to explain because I was annoyed at being told I
>>couldn't be what I have long believed is the truth.
>
>
> Yes, we know why you are upset.
>
>
>>Not that the
>>commentary changes my life though; it doesn't. But I could have made it
>>clear I was open to hearing why you thought so.
>>
>>
>>>>My father is Jewish and my mother isn't... my mom didn't convert
>>>
>>>Which makes you a non-Jew.
>>
>>Did you even hear of the Reform movement? (note sarcasm)
>
>
> I also noted that you sid not to mention circumstances.
> I also know that you are still not Jewish according to them.
>
>
>> The Reform
>>movement accepts the PA*ternal link.
>
>
> ONLY in theory, and ONLY if you are RAISED Jewish, and
> definitely NOT if you are raised in any other religion - which
> you say you were.

Let him try and get a A "Right of Return" to Israel on a Reform rabbi's
say-so. Maybe then he'll understand that he doesn't get to make up
special rules that go against all history and tradition.

>>When I was growing up, I was
>>always considered Jewish.
>>
>
> Only because they obviously didn;t examine your home life.
>
>>>. I had a bris with a Reform mohel, my upbringing was mixed Jewish &
>>>Catholic,
>>>
>>>>and I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah. My one Orthodox relative of my dad's
>>>>insists I'm not Jewish because my mom isn't. Now... you experts tell
>>>>me: what does Jewish law say I am?
>>
>>>As above, a non-Jew.
>>
>>I'm not Christian either.
>
>
> So?
> Is there some new law out that says you have to be something?

and that there are only *TWO* options? What about all the other
religions, non religions in the world? :)

>>I don't believe Jesus is my savior. I never
>>worshiped in a church, I was just exposed to it. I was told I meet all
>>the standards of being considered Jewish.
>
>
> That's a shame.

It's a shame that some ignoramus told him he meets "all the standards of
being considered Jewish" and even more of a shame that he was foolish
enough to believe it.

>>I don't do things on the
>>holidays, but most Jewish people I know don't, and I have friends who
>>bailed out of Bar Mitzvahs as I did but they're