Seven Deadly sins

[phy]

Which one hinders you the most?
Mine is sloth. For as long as I remember I take the easy way 99% of the
time. It just occurred to me that being not slothful may not be the answer.
If I could just be *less* so it would be a victory.

-phy

[lestat]

Why on Earth would you even bother to ask such a trivial question, pry
into people's personal life, and expect them to answer this one. Will
you be asking us to say seven hail marys next? If I wanted to talk
about religion I'd find an appropriate site for that.

phy wrote:
> Which one hinders you the most?
> Mine is sloth. For as long as I remember I take the easy way 99% of the
> time. It just occurred to me that being not slothful may not be the answer.
> If I could just be *less* so it would be a victory.
>
> -phy

[phy]

"lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151299375.748507.306450
@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> Why on Earth would you even bother to ask such a trivial question, pry
> into people's personal life, and expect them to answer this one. Will
> you be asking us to say seven hail marys next? If I wanted to talk
> about religion I'd find an appropriate site for that.

I wasnt exactly prying. It was more like a poll. I only brought it up
because the other day at a meeting, the guy who started the meeting wsa
talking about pride/ego and wanted everyone to talk about that when they
spoke. You don't have to participate in this thread if you dont want to. I
dont consider the topic to be religious exactly amd it isnt like people in
AA groups dont talk about religion all the time anyway.

-phy

[Stuart]

lestat <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151299375.748507.306450@c74g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> Why on Earth would you even bother to ask such a trivial question, pry
> into people's personal life, and expect them to answer this one. Will
> you be asking us to say seven hail marys next? If I wanted to talk
> about religion I'd find an appropriate site for that.

I didn't think he was prying into anyone's personal life. He was asking
anyone who wished if they wanted to volunteer something about the "seven
deadly sins". This group is about addiction to alcohol and I don't know how
you can not get personal

Lestat wrote:

" How long were you a smoker? I'm 36 years old and have been smoking for
about 28 years. Does everyone who smokes come down with this? I had a
doctor tell me I was in the beginning stages of COPD about 3 years ago
but other than getting winded if I have to walk for too long I really
don't notice anything significant"

That's pretty personal don't you think?

Some if us get the connection between spiritual matters, human excesses and
over-drinking. We believe that our emotional state, and thought processes
that facilitate drinking are tied in with the above discussions. Others see
this connection as religious, non-scientific, even disdainful.
My question to you is; Why can't you allow others to discuss their personal
beliefs about say, religion and alcoholism without getting your shorts in a
knot? That's the exact kind of emotion that folks in AA learn to try to be
rid of, did you know?







> phy wrote:
> > Which one hinders you the most?
> > Mine is sloth. For as long as I remember I take the easy way 99% of the
> > time. It just occurred to me that being not slothful may not be the
answer.
> > If I could just be *less* so it would be a victory.
> >
> > -phy
>

[David M]

Lestat wrote:

> I had a doctor tell me I was in the beginning stages of COPD
> about 3 years ago but other than getting winded if I have to
walk
> for too long I really don't notice anything significant.

Just keep puffing. You'll notice soon enough. In the meantime
you might want to read:

http://seniorhealth.about.com/od/respiratorycond/a/copd.htm

[algeranon@hotmail.com]

phy wrote:
> "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151299375.748507.306450
> @c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Why on Earth would you even bother to ask such a trivial question, pry
> > into people's personal life, and expect them to answer this one. Will
> > you be asking us to say seven hail marys next? If I wanted to talk
> > about religion I'd find an appropriate site for that.
>
> I wasnt exactly prying. It was more like a poll. I only brought it up
> because the other day at a meeting, the guy who started the meeting wsa
> talking about pride/ego and wanted everyone to talk about that when they
> spoke. You don't have to participate in this thread if you dont want to. I
> dont consider the topic to be religious exactly amd it isnt like people in
> AA groups dont talk about religion all the time anyway.
>
> -phy

Oh, in that case, I'll say "humility" ;o)

[lestat]

Sorry. I didn't mean to slam you. I just have nothing but contempt for
religion. Please don't take what I posted in any way hostile to you.

phy wrote:
> "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151299375.748507.306450
> @c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Why on Earth would you even bother to ask such a trivial question, pry
> > into people's personal life, and expect them to answer this one. Will
> > you be asking us to say seven hail marys next? If I wanted to talk
> > about religion I'd find an appropriate site for that.
>
> I wasnt exactly prying. It was more like a poll. I only brought it up
> because the other day at a meeting, the guy who started the meeting wsa
> talking about pride/ego and wanted everyone to talk about that when they
> spoke. You don't have to participate in this thread if you dont want to. I
> dont consider the topic to be religious exactly amd it isnt like people in
> AA groups dont talk about religion all the time anyway.
>
> -phy

[phy]

"lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151384029.462621.285530
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

> Sorry. I didn't mean to slam you. I just have nothing but contempt for
> religion. Please don't take what I posted in any way hostile to you.

When I posted that article, I wasnt even remembering that those came from
the bible. I am not religious either but I really try not to be
contemptuous of religion of any sort. A harder challenge is to not feel
that way toward a lot of the people who claim to be religious. Anyway those
sins listed are a good summary of the most common faults people have. Can
you think of any others? I don't know which contempt falls under. Pride or
maybe anger? Anyway I guess I posted because I am trying to find a way to
improve myself mainly.

-phy

[lestat]

I honestly don't even know what the seven sins are. I live the way I
want. If that makes me a sinner then I'll have to come up with a really
good lie to tell God about my lifestyle. lol

phy wrote:
> "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151384029.462621.285530
> @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Sorry. I didn't mean to slam you. I just have nothing but contempt for
> > religion. Please don't take what I posted in any way hostile to you.
>
> When I posted that article, I wasnt even remembering that those came from
> the bible. I am not religious either but I really try not to be
> contemptuous of religion of any sort. A harder challenge is to not feel
> that way toward a lot of the people who claim to be religious. Anyway those
> sins listed are a good summary of the most common faults people have. Can
> you think of any others? I don't know which contempt falls under. Pride or
> maybe anger? Anyway I guess I posted because I am trying to find a way to
> improve myself mainly.
>
> -phy

[Stuart]

lestat <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151466635.845480.10260@b68g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> I honestly don't even know what the seven sins are. I live the way I
> want. If that makes me a sinner then I'll have to come up with a really
> good lie to tell God about my lifestyle. lol

That's where religion and AA part ways. The "seven deadly sins" as religion
calls them are discussed in the AA 12X12 under step four. All they are
really are behaviours that pertain to our basic instincts. Security, sex,
socialization, self esteem and so on. AA teaches us that the essence of our
alcoholism is the behaviour which results when our basic instincts get a
little out of whack, and they begin to exceed their intended purpose ie they
become the "seven deadly sins" ie ordinary behaviours gone excessive. This
generally leads to problems in our lives, and many times, alcohol is the
easiest 'solution'

Am I making sense to you?



>
> phy wrote:
> > "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151384029.462621.285530
> > @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > Sorry. I didn't mean to slam you. I just have nothing but contempt for
> > > religion. Please don't take what I posted in any way hostile to you.
> >
> > When I posted that article, I wasnt even remembering that those came
from
> > the bible. I am not religious either but I really try not to be
> > contemptuous of religion of any sort. A harder challenge is to not feel
> > that way toward a lot of the people who claim to be religious. Anyway
those
> > sins listed are a good summary of the most common faults people have.
Can
> > you think of any others? I don't know which contempt falls under. Pride
or
> > maybe anger? Anyway I guess I posted because I am trying to find a way
to
> > improve myself mainly.
> >
> > -phy
>

[lestat]

Yes it does. But when I was drinking I did it simply because I enjoyed
being bombed. The HepC I have took away that pleasure. I've had my gall
bladder removed and was told it was basically Jello after they temoved
it. And my pancreas decides to pop up every now and then with a festive
case of pancreatitis. I've been in the hospital 5 times with it. And I
don't expect people to say they're sorry for what I'm going through. I
have no one to blame except myself for what I've done to my body.

Stuart wrote:
> lestat <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1151466635.845480.10260@b68g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > I honestly don't even know what the seven sins are. I live the way I
> > want. If that makes me a sinner then I'll have to come up with a really
> > good lie to tell God about my lifestyle. lol
>
> That's where religion and AA part ways. The "seven deadly sins" as religion
> calls them are discussed in the AA 12X12 under step four. All they are
> really are behaviours that pertain to our basic instincts. Security, sex,
> socialization, self esteem and so on. AA teaches us that the essence of our
> alcoholism is the behaviour which results when our basic instincts get a
> little out of whack, and they begin to exceed their intended purpose ie they
> become the "seven deadly sins" ie ordinary behaviours gone excessive. This
> generally leads to problems in our lives, and many times, alcohol is the
> easiest 'solution'
>
> Am I making sense to you?
>
>
>
> >
> > phy wrote:
> > > "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151384029.462621.285530
> > > @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> > >
> > > > Sorry. I didn't mean to slam you. I just have nothing but contempt for
> > > > religion. Please don't take what I posted in any way hostile to you.
> > >
> > > When I posted that article, I wasnt even remembering that those came
> from
> > > the bible. I am not religious either but I really try not to be
> > > contemptuous of religion of any sort. A harder challenge is to not feel
> > > that way toward a lot of the people who claim to be religious. Anyway
> those
> > > sins listed are a good summary of the most common faults people have.
> Can
> > > you think of any others? I don't know which contempt falls under. Pride
> or
> > > maybe anger? Anyway I guess I posted because I am trying to find a way
> to
> > > improve myself mainly.
> > >
> > > -phy
> >

[Stuart]

To me, where the "higher power" concept comes in is very simple. I look to
act and behave according to what would be "naturally right" for a man. I am
a tiny speck in the broader universe, and I feel that there is a "way of
being" which is in harmony with that, just like all other creatures in the
ecology system here on earth.
If my basic instincts are the "right size", then I live and flow peacefully
and easily without need to alter in my emotions or consciousness via
booze/drugs.

No God crap!

I exercise as much as possible, eat right, ask for "synchronization" into
the natural order every morning, and give thanks at night for another day
well-lived.

That's my version of AA.

I do go to meetings and learn from others. Some teach me what to do, some
what not to do. I teach some what to do, and sometimes what not to do. I
would not be averse to going to a RR meeting either. However, there are none
in my area, but if I did go, I feel it would not be my place to force AA
teachings on anyone there, that's for sure.

"lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151480869.800398.127340@b68g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Yes it does. But when I was drinking I did it simply because I enjoyed
> being bombed. The HepC I have took away that pleasure. I've had my gall
> bladder removed and was told it was basically Jello after they temoved
> it. And my pancreas decides to pop up every now and then with a festive
> case of pancreatitis. I've been in the hospital 5 times with it. And I
> don't expect people to say they're sorry for what I'm going through. I
> have no one to blame except myself for what I've done to my body.
>
> Stuart wrote:
>> lestat <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1151466635.845480.10260@b68g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> > I honestly don't even know what the seven sins are. I live the way I
>> > want. If that makes me a sinner then I'll have to come up with a really
>> > good lie to tell God about my lifestyle. lol
>>
>> That's where religion and AA part ways. The "seven deadly sins" as
>> religion
>> calls them are discussed in the AA 12X12 under step four. All they are
>> really are behaviours that pertain to our basic instincts. Security, sex,
>> socialization, self esteem and so on. AA teaches us that the essence of
>> our
>> alcoholism is the behaviour which results when our basic instincts get a
>> little out of whack, and they begin to exceed their intended purpose ie
>> they
>> become the "seven deadly sins" ie ordinary behaviours gone excessive.
>> This
>> generally leads to problems in our lives, and many times, alcohol is the
>> easiest 'solution'
>>
>> Am I making sense to you?
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > phy wrote:
>> > > "lestat" <lestat432003@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> > > news:1151384029.462621.285530
>> > > @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>> > >
>> > > > Sorry. I didn't mean to slam you. I just have nothing but contempt
>> > > > for
>> > > > religion. Please don't take what I posted in any way hostile to
>> > > > you.
>> > >
>> > > When I posted that article, I wasnt even remembering that those came
>> from
>> > > the bible. I am not religious either but I really try not to be
>> > > contemptuous of religion of any sort. A harder challenge is to not
>> > > feel
>> > > that way toward a lot of the people who claim to be religious. Anyway
>> those
>> > > sins listed are a good summary of the most common faults people have.
>> Can
>> > > you think of any others? I don't know which contempt falls under.
>> > > Pride
>> or
>> > > maybe anger? Anyway I guess I posted because I am trying to find a
>> > > way
>> to
>> > > improve myself mainly.
>> > >
>> > > -phy
>> >
>

[Darren]

"phy" <phy00x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97ED895F513DBphy00xyahoocom@69.28.186.121. ..
> Which one hinders you the most?
> Mine is sloth. For as long as I remember I take the easy way 99% of the
> time. It just occurred to me that being not slothful may not be the
> answer.
> If I could just be *less* so it would be a victory.

Sloth and pride are fine in moderation. :)

--

Darren
>
> -phy

[phy]

"Darren" <daz@notsane.com> wrote in news:cLXog.3007$v4.2461@newsfe3-
win.ntli.net:

> Sloth and pride are fine in moderation. :)

The problem is that my cup runneth over with vast quantitie of torpidity.
When my house is a mess and I think about cleaning it, my brain generated
massive anxiety. Not just cleaning but nearly any other boring task. I had
to repeat 6th grade because of it. I know about and have tried all the tips
and strategies ever developed to achieve motivation to no avail. I made an
appointment to see a head-shrinker in a few weeks. Again.

-phy

[Darren]

"phy" <phy00x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97F196629AF6Cphy00xyahoocom@69.28.186.121. ..
> "Darren" <daz@notsane.com> wrote in news:cLXog.3007$v4.2461@newsfe3-
> win.ntli.net:
>
>> Sloth and pride are fine in moderation. :)
>
> The problem is that my cup runneth over with vast quantitie of torpidity.
> When my house is a mess and I think about cleaning it, my brain generated
> massive anxiety. Not just cleaning but nearly any other boring task. I had
> to repeat 6th grade because of it. I know about and have tried all the
> tips
> and strategies ever developed to achieve motivation to no avail. I made an
> appointment to see a head-shrinker in a few weeks. Again.
>

Then your sloth is in excess as I suspect mine is. If my pride wis a bit
more then my sloth would probably reduce. Mind you, sloth won't kill us due
to sclerosis of the liver.

-
Darren
> -phy

[phy]

"Darren" <daz@notsane.com> wrote in
news:ENZog.63995$lQ.6814@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:

>
> Then your sloth is in excess as I suspect mine is. If my pride wis a
> bit more then my sloth would probably reduce. Mind you, sloth won't
> kill us due to sclerosis of the liver.
>

Yeah but it can get expensive when you leave off paying credit card bills.
Thank "Bob" for online banking and automatic payments.

-phy

[Darren]

"phy" <phy00x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97F1CE36CDC7phy00xyahoocom@69.28.186.121.. .
> "Darren" <daz@notsane.com> wrote in
> news:ENZog.63995$lQ.6814@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
>
>>
>> Then your sloth is in excess as I suspect mine is. If my pride wis a
>> bit more then my sloth would probably reduce. Mind you, sloth won't
>> kill us due to sclerosis of the liver.
>>
>
> Yeah but it can get expensive when you leave off paying credit card bills.
> Thank "Bob" for online banking and automatic payments.
>
> -phy

I don't do credit cards but i do do online banking. :)

-

Darren

[algeranon]

Stuart wrote:
> To me, where the "higher power" concept comes in is very simple. I look to
> act and behave according to what would be "naturally right" for a man. I am
> a tiny speck in the broader universe, and I feel that there is a "way of
> being" which is in harmony with that, just like all other creatures in the
> ecology system here on earth.
> If my basic instincts are the "right size", then I live and flow peacefully
> and easily without need to alter in my emotions or consciousness via
> booze/drugs.
>
> No God crap!

Now there's a higher power I could go for!

Mind if I borrow it? :o)

I'm almost tempted to throw in a "law of conservation of identity" or
"pharma karma" if you prefer, to my rapidly-evolving model of the
universe -

It almost seems like the universe is telling me "look, this is who you
are, like it or lump it but if you try dorking around with it via
exogenous chemicals I guarantee you you are going to make matters
worse. If you're feelin' bad or mad or sad or lonely or guilty or
scared or anything else you'd rather not feel I ain't saying you can't
make that feeling go away, I'm just saying you can't make it go away
PERMANENTLY, lol, and if you TRY to it is going to come back and bite
you in the butt at a MOST inopportune time and not only will you pay
for the priviledge of postponing having to deal with those feelings but
the interest charges will be quite steep!"

or something like that.