Re: Can someone help me?

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in here
spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> will lift!"
>

Still propagating your lies Rosie, but guess you are too drugged to
comprehend what is actually posted.

Bob

[rosie readandpost]

up early?

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie
If you keep saying things are going to be bad, you have a good chance
of being a prophet.
-------------------------------Isaac B. Singer




"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:bd7kh2$pppsq$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bMEJa.105749$Xl.1967321@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in here
> spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> > will lift!"
> >
>
> Still propagating your lies Rosie, but guess you are too drugged to
> comprehend what is actually posted.
>
> Bob
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2HIJa.106470$Xl.1977952@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> up early?

Yep, and caught a slug already.

Bob
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bd7kh2$pppsq$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bMEJa.105749$Xl.1967321@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in
here
> > spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> > > will lift!"
> > >
> >
> > Still propagating your lies Rosie, but guess you are too drugged to
> > comprehend what is actually posted.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bMEJa.105749$Xl.1967321@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in
here
> > spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> > > will lift!"
> > >
> >
>
> Since alcohol "IS" a depressant, one doesn't have to have a medical
degree
> to figure out that not ingesting a depressant will most likely improve
one's
> level of depression. It's not the case that everyone who drinks is
> mightily depressed, nor is everyone who is depressed a sloppy-ass drunk.
>
> Whether or not "working the steps" was sufficent to lift YOU from the
depths
> of your depression is only between you, your sponsor, and God.
>
> "Alcohol is but a symptom of the problem."
>
>
>

Having been diagnosed with chronic depression, then taken those steps
myself, it interests me that of two prolific Usenet posters engaged in the
"treatment industry" who claim the steps did not resolve their depression,
each display ignorance of the steps in inverse proportion to their
documented dependence on drugs.

One could expect a dozen different folk to tread a path and depict
contradictory scenery. However, at least some aspects would presumably be
recognisable to all who had thoroughly taken those steps.

Bob

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Since alcohol "IS" a depressant, one doesn't have to have a medical
degree
> > to figure out that not ingesting a depressant will most likely improve
one's
> > level of depression.
>
>
> it sure would help if you would stop pretending that you do!
> we are discussing TWO DIFFERENT types of depression BM!
> do i need to type S L O W E R ?
>
"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
news:MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> as i stated before a few in here do NOT understand the difference between
SITUATIONAL depression (generally seen in
> alcoholics in early recovery) and CHRONIC DYSTHYMIA.
> this same few, are not interested in learning about it either.
http://depression.about.com/cs/dysthymia/
Dysthymia is a milder, chronic form of depression. It may periodically have
episodes of major depression superimposed upon it. When this occurs, it is
known as "double depression".
http://www.apa.org/releases/antidep.html
Study Finds Psychotherapy and Anti-Depressants Equally Effective in Treating
Severely Depressed Primary-Care Patients

WASHINGTON - Researchers comparing the effectiveness of treating major
depression with either antidepressant medication or psychotherapy noted no
difference in the success of the two treatment methods after an eight-month
clinical investigation.

[rosie readandpost]

> Having been diagnosed with chronic depression, then taken those steps
> myself, it interests me that of two prolific Usenet posters engaged in the
> "treatment industry" who claim the steps did not resolve their depression,
> each display ignorance of the steps in inverse proportion to their
> documented dependence on drugs.



bob,
you really could benefit from ridding yourself of that STUBBORN pride and going back to AA.
just conduct yourself better this time.

[Moonraker]

First thing, RRAP....you need to work on your reading comprehension. I
don't think Mister BM (Blue Moon) has weighed in on this topic, at least not
today. If you are going to argue...at least know who you are spouting off
to.

My point is this, and nothing more. Read it and re-read it until it sinks
in. OK? Here goes. Ready?

"NOT INGESTING A DEPRESSANT ( e.g., ALCOHOL) IS QUITE LIKELY TO ELEVATE
"XXXXX" DRUNK'S MOOD SUFFICENTLY SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE
ANTI-DEPRESSANTS" Period. Got it?


Not "every" drunk, just that "XXXX" equals "many", "most", " a lot",
"some", or "in general". Enough to make the point valid. It was for sure
totally accurate in MY particular case, and in the case of almost all of my
friends and sponsees. If you feel the need to argue with "that", God help
you. I know it's just common sense, so it may have escaped you earlier.

Nearly everybody who posts here understands that "some" folks need AD's.
The question is: Can an accurate diagnosis be made while that person is
still drinking? It seems that everybody but YOU thinks any medical
diagnosis of psych problems needs to be made subsequent to removal of the
external ingested depressants. Is this too hard for you to comprehend?
Throwing meds at a depression that may or may not exist or may even go away
on it's own in a few weeks is apparently what you support?

Your projection tendencies are showing. I never "pretended" to have a
medical degree. I never said anything that would have made anybody think
otherwise. Does the fact that I made a purely common sense observation
about removing a depressant from a drunk somehow threaten your
self-appointed exalted position as the group's medical guru? You need to
get over yourself.

McGregor's needle getting a bit sharp, eh? Try not to take it out on
ME.......OK?

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Since alcohol "IS" a depressant, one doesn't have to have a medical
degree
> > to figure out that not ingesting a depressant will most likely improve
one's
> > level of depression.
>
>
> it sure would help if you would stop pretending that you do!
> we are discussing TWO DIFFERENT types of depression BM!
> do i need to type S L O W E R ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[pauly]

Rosie,
I think moonraker means he agrees with you. Some need meds, but those whose
depression is caused solely by alcohol and the results of ingesting it do
not.
Bob's snips certainly apply to situational depression, where meds should
only be taken, if ever, on a short term basis.

[pauly]

Bob,
If you always had abnormally low levels of seratonin for instance,
you could have worked the steps until you were blue in the face, they would
not have helped

[rosie readandpost]

sorry about the name mix up, but your both have such silly handles!
(yes, i know R+P is silly too, but at least there is a rosie in it!)

> "NOT INGESTING A DEPRESSANT ( e.g., ALCOHOL) IS QUITE LIKELY TO ELEVATE
> "XXXXX" DRUNK'S MOOD SUFFICENTLY SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE
> ANTI-DEPRESSANTS" Period. Got it?

oh yes, now moon, try to keep up would you?
i got it the first, second, and third time you posted it.
the point is, we are talking about two different types of depression!
sorry this is so difficult for you to understand.

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

Do not meditate - be!
Do not think that you are - be!
Don't think about being - you are!
..................................Sri Ramana Maharshi

[rosie readandpost]

"pauly" <paul.youles@REMOVETHISvirgin.net> wrote in message news:mUMJa.2290$4K1.117306@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
> Rosie,
> I think moonraker means he agrees with you. Some need meds, but those whose
> depression is caused solely by alcohol and the results of ingesting it do
> not.
> Bob's snips certainly apply to situational depression, where meds should
> only be taken, if ever, on a short term basis.
>
>

further on down in this thread you do see that your assumption is wrong, right pauly?
:)

[Robert McGregor]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
> In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely
> >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are
> >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
>
> How smug.
> --


lol when you've recovered from maybe, might be, but probably not alcoholism,
you can enlighten A.A. with a superior alternative.

Bob

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bd94fp$q2dh7$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
>> In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
>> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely
>> >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are
>> >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
>>
>> How smug.
>> --
>
>
>lol when you've recovered from maybe, might be, but probably not alcoholism,
>you can enlighten A.A. with a superior alternative.

I sure as hell wont take the view that unless people comply with
everything I say they are fundamentally dishonest
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Robert McGregor]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:rOkFgAuT8B++EwkF@aol.com...
> In message <bd94fp$q2dh7$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >
> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
> >> In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> >> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >> > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not
completely
> >> >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are
> >> >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
> >>
> >> How smug.
> >> --
> >
> >
> >lol when you've recovered from maybe, might be, but probably not
alcoholism,
> >you can enlighten A.A. with a superior alternative.
>
> I sure as hell wont take the view that unless people comply with
> everything I say they are fundamentally dishonest
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

And who, other than you, proposed that view?

Bob

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bd97ca$pes7e$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:rOkFgAuT8B++EwkF@aol.com...
>> In message <bd94fp$q2dh7$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
>> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> >
>> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
>> >> In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
>> >> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> >> > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not
>completely
>> >> >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are
>> >> >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
>> >>
>> >> How smug.
>> >> --
>> >
>> >
>> >lol when you've recovered from maybe, might be, but probably not
>alcoholism,
>> >you can enlighten A.A. with a superior alternative.
>>
>> I sure as hell wont take the view that unless people comply with
>> everything I say they are fundamentally dishonest
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>And who, other than you, proposed that view?

Your quote.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Robert McGregor]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:HagOlByCQC++EwQm@aol.com...
> In message <bd97ca$pes7e$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >
> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:rOkFgAuT8B++EwkF@aol.com...
> >> In message <bd94fp$q2dh7$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> >> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >> >
> >> >"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
> >> >> In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> >> >> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >> >> > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not
> >completely
> >> >> >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who
are
> >> >> >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
> >> >>
> >> >> How smug.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >lol when you've recovered from maybe, might be, but probably not
> >alcoholism,
> >> >you can enlighten A.A. with a superior alternative.
> >>
> >> I sure as hell wont take the view that unless people comply with
> >> everything I say they are fundamentally dishonest
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Bratt
> >
> >And who, other than you, proposed that view?
>
> Your quote.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

The referenced quote, as distinct from my quote, certainly did not imply
that.

Bob

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bd98t7$qmdrt$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>The referenced quote, as distinct from my quote, certainly did not
>imply that.

That was my understanding of it.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Robert McGregor]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:H6tO9W30FD++Ewis@aol.com...
> In message <bd98t7$qmdrt$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >The referenced quote, as distinct from my quote, certainly did not
> >imply that.
>
> That was my understanding of it.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Miscomprehension of it. Not to worry, it was written by and for alcoholics.

Bob

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
> > In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> > <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> > > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely
> > >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are
> > >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
> >
> > How smug.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
> no jonathan, he's not really being smug at all............he is a typical
alcoholic ..............
>
> EGOMANIAC WITH AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX
>
>
pot, kettle

[rosie readandpost]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net
> >
> pot, kettle


moon,
you did see the "typical alcoholic" reference in my note, didn't you?

pot, kettle is accurate! (as i am also an alcoholic)

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie



"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:8NXJa.6740$XR4.1746@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6PXJa.108642$Xl.2040195@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
> > > In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> > > <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> > > > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely
> > > >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are
> > > >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
> > >
> > > How smug.
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Bratt
> >
> > no jonathan, he's not really being smug at all............he is a typical
> alcoholic ..............
> >
> > EGOMANIAC WITH AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX
> >
> >
> pot, kettle
>
>
>

[rosie readandpost]

> > > How smug.
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Bratt
> >
> > no jonathan, he's not really being smug at all............he is a typical
> alcoholic ..............
> >
> > EGOMANIAC WITH AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX
> >
> lol pop and post is projecting, again
>
> Bob
>
>

no bob, just relating....................i'm an alcoholic too!

[Moonraker]

Ummmmm huh.

But the fact remains that you were taking a slap at McGregor, weren't you?
Otherwise why wouldn't you have just told JB that it was a quote from the
BB?





"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net
> > >
> > pot, kettle
>
>
> moon,
> you did see the "typical alcoholic" reference in my note, didn't you?
>
> pot, kettle is accurate! (as i am also an alcoholic)
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie
>
>
>
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8NXJa.6740$XR4.1746@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:6PXJa.108642$Xl.2040195@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:WNz6QVkPkA++EwzF@aol.com...
> > > > In message <bd8961$q5s5h$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> > > > <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> > > > > "Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not
completely
> > > > >give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who
are
> > > > >constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. "
> > > >
> > > > How smug.
> > > > --
> > > > Jonathan Bratt
> > >
> > > no jonathan, he's not really being smug at all............he is a
typical
> > alcoholic ..............
> > >
> > > EGOMANIAC WITH AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX
> > >
> > >
> > pot, kettle
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <7IYJa.11904$uK1.199@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>Ummmmm huh.
>
>But the fact remains that you were taking a slap at McGregor, weren't you?
>Otherwise why wouldn't you have just told JB that it was a quote from the
>BB?


I knew it was. I have not time for people who merely throw quotes around
rather than try to engage. Use quotations as support by all means - to
use them solely is lazy.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:19:50 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>sorry about the name mix up, but your both have such silly handles!

In whose opinion? My handle existed here well over 2 years before you
trawled in. The only people who ever expressed a problem with it were
people who were incapable of maintaining a rational discussion. Seems
like you just joined that club :)

>> "NOT INGESTING A DEPRESSANT ( e.g., ALCOHOL) IS QUITE LIKELY TO ELEVATE
>> "XXXXX" DRUNK'S MOOD SUFFICENTLY SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE
>> ANTI-DEPRESSANTS" Period. Got it?
>
>oh yes, now moon, try to keep up would you?
>i got it the first, second, and third time you posted it.
>the point is, we are talking about two different types of depression!

So what two different types of depression are being discussed? And
how is this assertion compatible with your endorsement of others to
seek medical help for depression before they've even stopped drinking?

--
Blue Moon

[Bobby L.]

HEAR HEAR!


"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bba9b9940013aa45076e92e1957a1f1c@free.teranew s.com...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:35:01 +0100, Jonathan Bratt
> <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >I knew it was. I have not time for people who merely throw quotes around
> >rather than try to engage. Use quotations as support by all means - to
> >use them solely is lazy.
>
> Why?
>
> With all the bullshit I hear bantered around at meetings, if there was
> less discussion about prayer and more about the Actions necessary for
> genuine recovery from alcoholism, perhaps there'd be more people
> recovering from alcoholism.
>
> So I'd rather see an Action quote than a prayer any day of the week
> (unless the prayer is the Action in disguise, as some prayers are).
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[rosie readandpost]

> > >I knew it was. I have not time for people who merely throw quotes around
> > >rather than try to engage. Use quotations as support by all means - to
> > >use them solely is lazy.
> >


i laughed each time i read this!

"try to engage"?

yeah right!

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:s0LKa.157765

>
> "try to engage"?
>
> yeah right!
>
>

Sorta like you having a discussion with Blue when he asks you pointed,
direct questions which you studiously ignore? That kind of engage?

pot, kettle....again.

[rosie readandpost]

> Sorta like you having a discussion with Blue when he asks you pointed,
> direct questions which you studiously ignore? That kind of engage?
>


i have answered, over and over questions from those who choose to attack me with false accusations about my use of
antidepressants and my sobriety.
instead of continuing to participate in that insanity and clutter this newsgroup up with senseless ego tripping, i chose
to stop trying.



engage?
nice verbiage!

rosie

moon,my dear little pot, do not call the kettle black until you have been in
the fire as long as she has!

.... Sequichie

[rosie readandpost]

wow, are you twisted up!
have a good weekend!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

the control center of your life is your attitude.
------------------------------- anonymous




> > moon,my dear little pot, do not call the kettle black until you have been
> in
> > the fire as long as she has!
> >
> > ... Sequichie
>



> And here we are again, flaunting our length of sobriety.

is that how you interpret that?
ROTFLMAO!

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yXZKa.55207$fe.1140612@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> wow, are you twisted up!
> have a good weekend!

Heh. here we go with our projection issues again. I'm not the one that
requires anti depressants and GOK what else to function. I'm far from
twisted up. How's your thorazine supply? Got enuff for the weekend?

> > > moon,my dear little pot, do not call the kettle black until you have
been
> > in
> > > the fire as long as she has!
> > >
> > > ... Sequichie
> >
>
>
>
> > And here we are again, flaunting our length of sobriety.
>
> is that how you interpret that?
>

Yep. And you don't see why, do you?

Here's a perfect example of your unbridled arrogance. You are so self
absorbed and full of yourself that you can't see it?

What you said in effect was, " Don't talk to me unless you have been sober
as long as I have."

You don't see that? ...it's a rather myopic view when your head's up your
butt, so maybe not.


> ROTFLMAO!

And to "ROTFLMFAO" just underscores your arrogance.




>

[Moonraker]

And you don't see "your" part in any of it? It's damn funny you are the
ONLY poster in these parts who regularly gets called on her bullshit.

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your ......aw, hell. Nothing exceeds
your arrogance.

Everything that gets posted by the "few" is either, in your view, "crap" or
is met with your snotty, derisive "ROTFLAMFO". Nobody knows nuttin but
RRAP. I feel sorry for your husband...living with you must be a real cross
to bear.

My sponsor reminds me that everybody serves a purpose. Your purpose is to
remind me just what it is that I don't want to become in sobriety. Stick
around, though. I need a bad example to avoid. Wet drunks in beginner's
meetings remind me where I was, and you remind me where I don't want to go.



"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eR%Ka.158783$jT4.2849021@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> your reply is a perfect example of the crap that a just a few of you throw
around here.
>
> "engage?"
> ROTFLAMO!
>
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie
>
> the control center of your life is your attitude.
> ------------------------------- anonymous
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1R_Ka.1073$XE4.927@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:yXZKa.55207$fe.1140612@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > wow, are you twisted up!
> > > have a good weekend!
> >
> > Heh. here we go with our projection issues again. I'm not the one that
> > requires anti depressants and GOK what else to function. I'm far from
> > twisted up. How's your thorazine supply? Got enuff for the weekend?
> >
> > > > > moon,my dear little pot, do not call the kettle black until you
have
> > been
> > > > in
> > > > > the fire as long as she has!
> > > > >
> > > > > ... Sequichie
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > And here we are again, flaunting our length of sobriety.
> > >
> > > is that how you interpret that?
> > >
> >
> > Yep. And you don't see why, do you?
> >
> > Here's a perfect example of your unbridled arrogance. You are so self
> > absorbed and full of yourself that you can't see it?
> >
> > What you said in effect was, " Don't talk to me unless you have been
sober
> > as long as I have."
> >
> > You don't see that? ...it's a rather myopic view when your head's up
your
> > butt, so maybe not.
> >
> >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > And to "ROTFLMFAO" just underscores your arrogance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jkZKa.3$kx.2@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rcXKa.143441$Xl.2260860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
<snip> >
> > engage?
> > nice verbiage!
> >
> I think that came from your buddy JB originally which you copied and pasted
> and I did the same. You don't like it? Take it up with somebody who
> cares.
>
Rosie, is the JB to whom you refer Johnathan Bratt ?. If it is, may I again, politely ask you to
stop calling him JB. Earlier in this thread, Blue Moon got upset, quite rightly imo, when you
confused him with Moonraker. I am equally upset to be confused with Johnathan.

JB

[Moonraker]

Sorry, that's my bad. I think I started that shorthand. (I wouldn't wanna
be confused with Mr. Bratt either.)

See...the 10th step in action. " and when we were wrong, promptly admitted
it".



"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:bdiceg$i1r$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:jkZKa.3$kx.2@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:rcXKa.143441$Xl.2260860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> <snip> >
> > > engage?
> > > nice verbiage!
> > >
> > I think that came from your buddy JB originally which you copied and
pasted
> > and I did the same. You don't like it? Take it up with somebody who
> > cares.
> >
> Rosie, is the JB to whom you refer Johnathan Bratt ?. If it is, may I
again, politely ask you to
> stop calling him JB. Earlier in this thread, Blue Moon got upset, quite
rightly imo, when you
> confused him with Moonraker. I am equally upset to be confused with
Johnathan.
>
> JB
>
>
>

[catsruleok]

PS: Johnathan might get equally upset if he thought that he might be confused with the real JB
:^))

JB>

[rosie readandpost]

cat,
you are attributing wrong.
i did not refer to JB, "any" of you!
(that's moon's quote)

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

the control center of your life is your attitude.
------------------------------- anonymous










"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:bdiceg$i1r$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:jkZKa.3$kx.2@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:rcXKa.143441$Xl.2260860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > >
> > I think that came from your buddy JB originally which you copied and pasted
> > and I did the same. You don't like it? Take it up with somebody who
> > cares.
> >





> Rosie, is the JB to whom you refer Johnathan Bratt ?. If it is, may I again, politely ask you to
> stop calling him JB. Earlier in this thread, Blue Moon got upset, quite rightly imo, when you
> confused him with Moonraker. I am equally upset to be confused with Johnathan.
>
> JB
>
>
>

[rosie readandpost]

Rosie, if my mistake has caused you offence, please accept my apology..
>
> JB
>
>


not at all...................no offense taken!

[Moonraker]

Actually, JB, I didn't even realize there WAS a confusion. I saw your
"catsruleok" sig and didn't pay much attention to the rest. I sure wasn't
attempting to create any confusion.



"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:bdih1e$s70$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:GR2La.1241$kx.89@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > Sorry, that's my bad. I think I started that shorthand. (I wouldn't
wanna
> > be confused with Mr. Bratt either.)
> >
> > See...the 10th step in action. " and when we were wrong, promptly
admitted
> > it".
> >
> >
> Thank you for owning up. Rosie, if my mistake has caused you offence,
please accept my apology..
>
> JB
>
>
>
>
> > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:bdiceg$i1r$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:jkZKa.3$kx.2@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > >
> > > > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:rcXKa.143441$Xl.2260860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > >
> > > <snip> >
> > > > > engage?
> > > > > nice verbiage!
> > > > >
> > > > I think that came from your buddy JB originally which you copied and
> > pasted
> > > > and I did the same. You don't like it? Take it up with somebody
who
> > > > cares.
> > > >
> > > Rosie, is the JB to whom you refer Johnathan Bratt ?. If it is, may I
> > again, politely ask you to
> > > stop calling him JB. Earlier in this thread, Blue Moon got upset,
quite
> > rightly imo, when you
> > > confused him with Moonraker. I am equally upset to be confused with
> > Johnathan.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[rosie readandpost]

> I just wish people
> would stop endorsing ADs as some kind of solution to alcoholism, 'cos
> they ain't.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

BM,
i have answered your questions over and over.
however, you read what you want, and you believe what you want.
the above quote is a perfect example!

NO ONE has endorsed antidepressants as a solution to alcoholism, but you persist in repeating this fallacy.

engage?
ROTFLMAO!

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:59:03 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>> Sorta like you having a discussion with Blue when he asks you pointed,
>> direct questions which you studiously ignore? That kind of engage?
>
>i have answered, over and over questions from those who choose to attack me with false accusations about my use of
>antidepressants and my sobriety.

Really?

What about those who you apparently perceived as attacking, whereas in
reality they were simply asking specific questions?

Such as ... if you have a chemical imbalance, how is that imbalance
tested? Or ... if someone has drugs which address a chemical
imbalance, why is it that the imbalance is so much less stable than
those not on such drugs (to the extent that the balance must undergo
further correction with different drugs on a regular basis)?

Of course, I would like to acknowledge that the questions themselves
are irrelevant to this newsgroup in every respect. I just wish people
would stop endorsing ADs as some kind of solution to alcoholism, 'cos
they ain't.

--
Blue Moon

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:GR2La.1241$kx.89@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> Sorry, that's my bad. I think I started that shorthand. (I wouldn't wanna
> be confused with Mr. Bratt either.)
>
> See...the 10th step in action. " and when we were wrong, promptly admitted
> it".
>
>
Thank you for owning up. Rosie, if my mistake has caused you offence, please accept my apology..

JB




> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bdiceg$i1r$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:jkZKa.3$kx.2@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:rcXKa.143441$Xl.2260860@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > >
> > <snip> >
> > > > engage?
> > > > nice verbiage!
> > > >
> > > I think that came from your buddy JB originally which you copied and
> pasted
> > > and I did the same. You don't like it? Take it up with somebody who
> > > cares.
> > >
> > Rosie, is the JB to whom you refer Johnathan Bratt ?. If it is, may I
> again, politely ask you to
> > stop calling him JB. Earlier in this thread, Blue Moon got upset, quite
> rightly imo, when you
> > confused him with Moonraker. I am equally upset to be confused with
> Johnathan.
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:gK3La.2484$Im5.652@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> Actually, JB, I didn't even realize there WAS a confusion. I saw your
> "catsruleok" sig and didn't pay much attention to the rest. I sure wasn't
> attempting to create any confusion.
>
I know you weren't :^)) Shall we move on now ?

JB

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:00:35 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > I just wish people
>> would stop endorsing ADs as some kind of solution to alcoholism, 'cos
>> they ain't.
>>
>> --
>> Blue Moon
>
>BM,
>i have answered your questions over and over.

No you haven't. If my newsreader missed it, I owe an apology, but
meanwhile I'd love to know ... just where and when did you answer "if
you have a chemical imbalance, how is that imbalance tested?" ?? Or,
where and when did you answer "if someone has drugs which address a
chemical imbalance, why is it that the imbalance is so much less
stable than those not on such drugs (to the extent that the balance
must undergo further correction with different drugs on a regular
basis)?"??

You really should either put up or shut up, but quit pretending you've
answered something when you haven't.

>however, you read what you want, and you believe what you want.

I'll not always read what I believe, that's for sure. If I did, I'd
be going round the twist with this newsgroup! But I do know I've not
seen you respond to any of those questions, despite your false claim
that you have.

>NO ONE has endorsed antidepressants as a solution to alcoholism, but you persist in repeating this fallacy.

Have you, or have you not, pushed the notion of people going to their
doctor for depression pills just days after they quit abusing a
depressant, yet when the subject of recovery arises you become more
wooly about what people should do?

--
Blue Moon