Detlef Sax
09-02-2003, 02:08 AM
Hi,
my name is Detlef. This newsgroup alt.recovery.from-12-steps, also
called arf is dedicated to people questioning the 12 step programs
as used in anounymous groups like Anonymous Alcoholics, Narcotics
Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Overeaters Anonymous, Underearner
Anonymous and all the rest.
For more information about 12 stepping there are a lot of websites
online and more will hopefully launch in future.
The links:
THE ORANGE PAPERS
One Man's Analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous An Online Book
by Agent Orange
http://aorange1.tripod.com/index.html
Alcoholics Anonymous: Of Course It's a Cult!
by Jack Trimpey
http://www.rational.org/Cult.html
University of Virginia
New religious movements
Alcoholics Anonymous Beliefs and Practices
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/aa.html
AAdeprogramming
excerpt:
[...] The contributors to this site have found that AA has a dark
side which is rarely discussed in meetings and is discussed only
in a limited capacity in print. This is an attempt to voice this
much needed alternate point of view. [...]
http://www.aadeprogramming.com/
Articles, Links.
Ken's site:
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Critiques of the 12-Step Programs:
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/crit12steps.html
XA and humor, does it fit? Decide yourself:
· http://www.geocities.com/sanegallery/
· http://www.angelfire.com/blog/aaacomix/
· http://www.snakelyone.com/12step.htm
Therapeutic groups versus 12-step groups: An analysis of the
AA prototype
By Cathleen A. Mann
<http://www.geocities.com/drugsandalcoholinfo/webpagesandpapers/othergorupsvsaa.htm>
or same, shorter:
http://kurzdsx.de/?u=1d
recovery nation: is aa threatening your freedom?
by Cletus Nelson
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id409/pg1/
German sites:
Peter Daum is not a ex-member, it's a scientific work.
So it's from an other point of view.
He didn't had real criticly interview partners.
Peter Daum: Eine kritische Auseinandersetzung mit den
Alcoholics Anonymous
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~gator/aa/index.html
Dieter's site. Long time (ex)member of AA.
Wrote letters over letters, also to members of the german
parliament.
http://metropolis.de/dieterhoepner.html
If you know about more links to XA criticly sites, maybe also in
other countries, I like to ask you to suggest a link at:
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=AddLink
For better understanding the help texts you can use:
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/index.php?newlang=english
or
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/index.php?newlang=french
or
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/index.php?newlang=galego
Regards
Detlef
--
For recovery purpose only:
<http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/seyfried-secret-diagram.jpg>
<http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/organigrama.gif>
my name is Detlef. This newsgroup alt.recovery.from-12-steps, also
called arf is dedicated to people questioning the 12 step programs
as used in anounymous groups like Anonymous Alcoholics, Narcotics
Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Overeaters Anonymous, Underearner
Anonymous and all the rest.
For more information about 12 stepping there are a lot of websites
online and more will hopefully launch in future.
The links:
THE ORANGE PAPERS
One Man's Analysis of Alcoholics Anonymous An Online Book
by Agent Orange
http://aorange1.tripod.com/index.html
Alcoholics Anonymous: Of Course It's a Cult!
by Jack Trimpey
http://www.rational.org/Cult.html
University of Virginia
New religious movements
Alcoholics Anonymous Beliefs and Practices
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/aa.html
AAdeprogramming
excerpt:
[...] The contributors to this site have found that AA has a dark
side which is rarely discussed in meetings and is discussed only
in a limited capacity in print. This is an attempt to voice this
much needed alternate point of view. [...]
http://www.aadeprogramming.com/
Articles, Links.
Ken's site:
http://www.morerevealed.com/
Critiques of the 12-Step Programs:
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/crit12steps.html
XA and humor, does it fit? Decide yourself:
· http://www.geocities.com/sanegallery/
· http://www.angelfire.com/blog/aaacomix/
· http://www.snakelyone.com/12step.htm
Therapeutic groups versus 12-step groups: An analysis of the
AA prototype
By Cathleen A. Mann
<http://www.geocities.com/drugsandalcoholinfo/webpagesandpapers/othergorupsvsaa.htm>
or same, shorter:
http://kurzdsx.de/?u=1d
recovery nation: is aa threatening your freedom?
by Cletus Nelson
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id409/pg1/
German sites:
Peter Daum is not a ex-member, it's a scientific work.
So it's from an other point of view.
He didn't had real criticly interview partners.
Peter Daum: Eine kritische Auseinandersetzung mit den
Alcoholics Anonymous
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~gator/aa/index.html
Dieter's site. Long time (ex)member of AA.
Wrote letters over letters, also to members of the german
parliament.
http://metropolis.de/dieterhoepner.html
If you know about more links to XA criticly sites, maybe also in
other countries, I like to ask you to suggest a link at:
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=AddLink
For better understanding the help texts you can use:
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/index.php?newlang=english
or
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/index.php?newlang=french
or
http://www.12schrittefrei.de/index.php?newlang=galego
Regards
Detlef
--
For recovery purpose only:
<http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/seyfried-secret-diagram.jpg>
<http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/organigrama.gif>