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Robert McGregor
12-07-2005, 09:12 PM
"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
>
> Some fine examples of "sobriety".
>
Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
get the Three Gongs?
"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
> destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
> smoking, violence....).
>
> Just another angle.........
>
> But I hope your solution works for you.
<Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
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> This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
> but never mind.
>
> Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
> newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
>
> It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
> is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
> broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
> medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
> it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
> great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
>
Having cleansed yourself absolutely of outdated "disease" concepts,
in favour of insisting on personal responsibility for your actions,
with normal exclusions such as parents, http://tinyurl.com/czpty ex
wife, and of coarse your job, your personal failure to have "moved
on" by 2005 is neither "dumb" nor a "real shame,"
just simply rediculous?
"Barnsey" <the.barnse...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> To show how I've moved on, I'll cut and paste something I posted a
> few years ago.
>
> Buggar! Cant find it!
;)
Barnesy wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001
>> Hmmmm. You should never drink to excess while on the internet.
>> Woke up this morning....what have I done? Oh no! Glad it's taken
>> as a joke.
Barnsey wrote: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005
>> Please forgive this rot I posted. I know everyone's sick of
>> hearing me say this, but I was "tired and emotional" ( pissed)
>> when I wrote this. My job gets to me. Bung in an agro ex wife, and
>> all the rest........... If anyone could invent some sort of
>> breathaliser that stops you logging on the net, I'll buy one.
Barnsey wrote: Date: Wed 07 Dec 2005
> I must be drunk, or human.......... or something........
>
>
Yep, as the smarmers are wont to say, it's all good, eh, barnesy! :)
Brer Bob
Barnsey
12-08-2005, 03:48 AM
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Here's Bob V's Barnsey.
Bob's the Australian wanker.
http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=kangaroomasturbation.wmv
You're a sad case Bob.
John Royer
12-08-2005, 09:15 PM
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
>>
>> Some fine examples of "sobriety".
>>
>
> Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
> get the Three Gongs?
>
> "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
>> destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
>> smoking, violence....).
>>
>> Just another angle.........
>>
>> But I hope your solution works for you.
>
>
> <Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
> news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
>> but never mind.
>>
>> Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
>> newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
>>
>> It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
>> is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
>> broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
>> medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
>> it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
>> great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?
"A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".
Kewl eh?
oops, my Canadas showing.......lol
Virtualoso
12-09-2005, 12:22 AM
In article <bM5mf.9111$kt5.707256@news20.bellglobal.com>, John Royer
<john.royer2@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43979676_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
> >> Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
> >>
> >> Some fine examples of "sobriety".
> >>
> >
> > Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
> > get the Three Gongs?
> >
> > "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
> >> destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
> >> smoking, violence....).
> >>
> >> Just another angle.........
> >>
> >> But I hope your solution works for you.
> >
> >
> > <Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
> > news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >> This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
> >> but never mind.
> >>
> >> Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
> >> newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
> >>
> >> It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
> >> is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
> >> broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
> >> medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
> >> it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
> >> great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
>
> The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
> recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
> PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
> used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
> adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
> in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
> it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
> not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?
>
> "A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".
>
> Kewl eh?
I notice that people bemoaning that AA is supposedly "outdated" usually
aren't doing too much else for the suffering people that AA is widely
available to. And all the people that find AA just fine and keep
participating don't seem to much have this "problem" of up/outdating
things. Of course, then the complAAiners often feel moved to
dispAArAAge them for that. How caring.
And they must be earnestly, deeply concerned that "AA" not "slip into
obscurity"... while we keep hearing the complAAint of how prevalent it
remains. Yet, what IS all this modern cutting edge medical,
psychiatric, social, etc. change that compels some certain accomodation
in a usually unspecified way?
Regardless of the routine flames from the relentless clashing egos here,
which with experience, are most predictable without reading past the
posters opening slam. Conversely I'd like to ask of "Struggling': Has it
been suggested in Alanon yet, or have you even considered on your own,
consulting with a professional interventionist? If not, you might do
yourself a favor and view an episode or two of "Intervention" on the A&E
channel thats broadcast on sunday nites. Bear in mind that the costs are
undoubtably steep to retain one, and the risks for failure can be high,
but your resolution of whats yo come can be determined much sooner than
the uncertainty of months or even years of alanon participation. -jmo-
Peace,
Tim
Tim wrote:
>Regardless of the routine flames from the relentless clashing egos here,
>which with experience, are most predictable without reading past the
>posters opening slam. Conversely I'd like to ask of "Struggling': Has it
>been suggested in Alanon yet, or have you even considered on your own,
>consulting with a professional interventionist? If not, you might do
>yourself a favor and view an episode or two of "Intervention" on the A&E
>channel thats broadcast on sunday nites. Bear in mind that the costs are
>undoubtably steep to retain one, and the risks for failure can be high,
>but your resolution of whats yo come can be determined much sooner than
>the uncertainty of months or even years of alanon participation. -jmo-
>
>Peace,
>Tim
>
>
Everyone,
I have not been following this thread, but before anyone considers
Al-Anon or any other 12-Step group they ought to read "*Twelve Step
Horror Stories: True Tales of Misery, Betrayal and Abuse in NA, AA and
12-Step Treatment*" at http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp .
Step groups are _very_ easy to get in, often people are forced in.
However, like Scientology and the Moonies they are extremely difficult
to leave.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com
John Royer wrote:
>"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:43979676_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
>
>>"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>
>>>Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
>>>
>>>Some fine examples of "sobriety".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
>>get the Three Gongs?
>>
>>"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>
>>>People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
>>>destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
>>>smoking, violence....).
>>>
>>>Just another angle.........
>>>
>>>But I hope your solution works for you.
>>>
>>>
>><Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
>>news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>>This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
>>>but never mind.
>>>
>>>Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
>>>newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
>>>
>>>It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
>>>is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
>>>broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
>>>medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
>>>it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
>>>great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
>>>
>>>
>
>The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
>recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
>PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
>used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
>adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
>in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
>it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
>not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?
>
>"A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".
>
>Kewl eh?
>oops, my Canadas showing.......lol
>
>
John,
Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
realized it. Sure. LOL.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com
Dan McGown
12-09-2005, 01:55 PM
> John,
>
> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
> they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
> realized it. Sure. LOL.
>
> Ken Ragge
Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
Dan McGown
12-09-2005, 01:59 PM
> Step groups are _very_ easy to get in, often people are forced in.
> However, like Scientology and the Moonies they are extremely difficult to
> leave.
>
> Ken Ragge
Fraud. People don't seem to have any trouble dropping out of AA.
Unfortunately, frauds like you are never there to help them when they do.
Dan McGown wrote:
>>John,
>>
>>Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
>>they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
>>realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>
>>
>
>Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>
>
Dan,
No, not here in this thread, certainly but maybe you ought to pay
attention in meetings and listen to what "treatment authorities" say.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com
Dan McGown
12-09-2005, 02:20 PM
Fraud. You just shift the blame whenever you get caught bullshitting.
"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:JOednXyIz-02SgTenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Dan McGown wrote:
>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
>>>they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
>>>realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>>
>>>Ken Ragge
>>>
>>
>>Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
> Dan,
>
> No, not here in this thread, certainly but maybe you ought to pay
> attention in meetings and listen to what "treatment authorities" say.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
Dan McGown wrote:
>>John,
>>
>>Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
>>they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
>>realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>
>
> Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
Welcome to Kenworld. Ken goes to lots of meetings and keeps notes then
goes forth with *his* cultish anti cult message.
Dan McGown wrote:
>>Step groups are _very_ easy to get in, often people are forced in.
>>However, like Scientology and the Moonies they are extremely difficult to
>>leave.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>
>>
>
>Fraud. People don't seem to have any trouble dropping out of AA.
>Unfortunately, frauds like you are never there to help them when they do.
>
>
>
Dan,
You know very well that many people can not drop out of AA's
indoctrination without the threat of prison/jail, loosing child custody,
losing their professional license, losing their job, etc. Setting that
aside, my point that once indoctrinated it is very difficult for people,
no matter how poorly they are doing, to leave the Steps behind.
Scientologists and Moonies have learned to see their world through the
cults dogma just as AAs, if they hang around "the program" long enough do.
It is unusual for a Scientologist or Moonie or AA to think critically of
the doctrine and instead, they learn to criticize themselves. How can
one leave a cult when they are too afraid to think critical thoughts
about it because that would put them at risk for the Devil, Insanity or
"my addict" getting them?
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com
F.H. wrote:
> Dan McGown wrote:
>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the
>>> Steps, if they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps
>>> and just haven't realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>>
>>> Ken Ragge
>>
>>
>>
>> Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>
>
> Welcome to Kenworld. Ken goes to lots of meetings and keeps notes
> then goes forth with *his* cultish anti cult message.
>
F.H.,
Do you mean just like the folks who write South Park? LOL.
Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com
DaveB
12-09-2005, 03:48 PM
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:37:45 -0800, Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote:
>Tim wrote:
>
>>Regardless of the routine flames from the relentless clashing egos here,
>>which with experience, are most predictable without reading past the
>>posters opening slam. Conversely I'd like to ask of "Struggling': Has it
>>been suggested in Alanon yet, or have you even considered on your own,
>>consulting with a professional interventionist? If not, you might do
>>yourself a favor and view an episode or two of "Intervention" on the A&E
>>channel thats broadcast on sunday nites. Bear in mind that the costs are
>>undoubtably steep to retain one, and the risks for failure can be high,
>>but your resolution of whats yo come can be determined much sooner than
>>the uncertainty of months or even years of alanon participation. -jmo-
>>
>>Peace,
>>Tim
>>
>>
>Everyone,
>
>I have not been following this thread, but before anyone considers
>Al-Anon or any other 12-Step group they ought to read "*Twelve Step
>Horror Stories: True Tales of Misery, Betrayal and Abuse in NA, AA and
>12-Step Treatment*" at http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp .
>
>Step groups are _very_ easy to get in, often people are forced in.
>However, like Scientology and the Moonies they are extremely difficult
>to leave.
>
>Ken Ragge
>http://www.morerevealed.com
LMAO............your a complete moron.
Regards
Daveb
DaveB
12-09-2005, 03:49 PM
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:15:02 -0800, Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote:
>Dan McGown wrote:
>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
>>>they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
>>>realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>>
>>>Ken Ragge
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>>
>>
>Dan,
>
>No, not here in this thread, certainly but maybe you ought to pay
>attention in meetings and listen to what "treatment authorities" say.
>
>Ken Ragge
>http://www.morerevealed.com
Only thing your an authority on is being a pain in the ass.
Regards
Daveb
Tommy
12-09-2005, 04:32 PM
Dan McGown wrote:
> Fraud. You just shift the blame whenever you get caught bullshitting.
>
> "Ken" <>> Dan McGown wrote:
>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the
>>>> Steps, if they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps
>>>> and just haven't realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Ken Ragge
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>> Dan,
>>
>> No, not here in this thread, certainly but maybe you ought to pay
>> attention in meetings and listen to what "treatment authorities" say.
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.moreliesrevealed.com
Aww our old friend the Raggster -
A liar needs a good memory Ken.
But that never stopped you before.
If you only knew it, you do more for the good of AA every time you open your
mouth.
Keep up the good work. Where can I send donations to your cause
Hahahahaha
Treatment authorities ????
Bawaahaa
Cheers
Humble Tommy
Ken wrote:
> F.H. wrote:
>
>> Dan McGown wrote:
>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the
>>>> Steps, if they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps
>>>> and just haven't realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Ken Ragge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Welcome to Kenworld. Ken goes to lots of meetings and keeps notes
>> then goes forth with *his* cultish anti cult message.
>>
> F.H.,
>
> Do you mean just like the folks who write South Park? LOL.
Not quite. Notice how they move on to another topic.
Virtualoso
12-09-2005, 06:32 PM
In article <hP-dnVnl0LXdTATeRVn-qw@comcast.com>, Ken
<nospam@nowhere.org> wrote:
> John Royer wrote:
>
> >
> >The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
> >recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
> >PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
> >used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
> >adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
> >in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
> >it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
> >not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?
> >
> >"A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".
> >
> >Kewl eh?
>
> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
> they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
> realized it. Sure. LOL.
>
> Ken Ragge
Another total fabrication from a detrAActor kook, so he can deride his
own imagination. Sure. LOL
Virtualoso
12-09-2005, 06:33 PM
In article <JOednXyIz-02SgTenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>, Ken
<nospam@nowhere.org> wrote:
> Dan McGown wrote:
>
> >>John,
> >>
> >>Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
> >>they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
> >>realized it. Sure. LOL.
> >>
> >>Ken Ragge
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
> >
> >
> Dan,
>
> No, not here in this thread, certainly but maybe you ought to pay
> attention in meetings and listen to what "treatment authorities" say.
>
> Ken Ragge
Ken's advised us that he was a "mindless zombie" before he became such
a deluded crAAnk, hallucinating quite a few things.
Virtualoso
12-09-2005, 06:34 PM
In article <gsSdnfBM_JjPewTeRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Ken
<nospam@nowhere.org> wrote:
> F.H. wrote:
>
> > Dan McGown wrote:
> >
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the
> >>> Steps, if they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps
> >>> and just haven't realized it. Sure. LOL.
> >>>
> >>> Ken Ragge
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to Kenworld. Ken goes to lots of meetings and keeps notes
> > then goes forth with *his* cultish anti cult message.
> >
> F.H.,
>
> Do you mean just like the folks who write South Park? LOL.
>
> Ken Ragge
Their comics are much better than yours, and they sell. Irks you that
your book doesn't enjoy the same?
John Royer
12-09-2005, 08:07 PM
"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:gsSdnfBM_JjPewTeRVn-tw@comcast.com...
> F.H. wrote:
>
>> Dan McGown wrote:
>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps,
>>>> if they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just
>>>> haven't realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Ken Ragge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>>
>>
>> Welcome to Kenworld. Ken goes to lots of meetings and keeps notes then
>> goes forth with *his* cultish anti cult message.
>>
> F.H.,
>
> Do you mean just like the folks who write South Park? LOL.
>
> Ken Ragge
So Ken, what you brings you to my office today? Would you like to talk about
it?
Tell me Ken, did you hate your parents? Were they AA members?
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