What is this group?

[LRM]

Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I read
through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself confused about
what is happening here. Is this group in support of recovery via the 12
steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book or what? I stumbled in
here hoping to find some drunks staying sober. Perhaps I have and perhaps
that's why I'm confused. For those that have an issue with the 12 steps, and
don't like what Bill and Bob were about, to bad. It's working for me and has
been for 13 and a half years.
If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
friends of Bill W.? (be nice)

--
LRM
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the
experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination
to do so.
Douglas Adams

[Robert McGregor]

"LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> For those that have an issue with the 12 steps, and don't like what
> Bill and Bob were about, to bad.


> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn
> from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their
> apparent disinclination to do so.

hahahahahahahaha

That contradiction's too funny, looks like you belong here; if you
can just let go of the dreaded disinclination:)

Welcome!

Bob.

[rosie read n' post]

this is NOT an AA group.
http://www.aa-intergroup.org/ this is where you will find AA!

--

dear mr. bush,
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=4924#mistake



"LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
> read through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself
> confused about what is happening here. Is this group in support of
> recovery via the 12 steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big
> Book or what? I stumbled in here hoping to find some drunks staying
> sober. Perhaps I have and perhaps that's why I'm confused. For those
> that have an issue with the 12 steps, and don't like what Bill and Bob
> were about, to bad. It's working for me and has been for 13 and a half
> years.
> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might
> find friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>
> --
> LRM
> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn
> from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
> disinclination to do so.
> Douglas Adams
>

[Sardonicus Rex]

"LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group?

I'm relatively new myself, but apparently this group exists solely for the
pleasure of "Robert McGregor" so he can have somewhere to shit on everybody
and feel superior to the rest of us. I'm glad to be part of such a fine
public service ... ;-)

[Darren]

"LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
read
> through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself confused
about
> what is happening here. Is this group in support of recovery via the 12
> steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book or what? I stumbled
in
> here hoping to find some drunks staying sober. Perhaps I have and perhaps
> that's why I'm confused. For those that have an issue with the 12 steps,
and
> don't like what Bill and Bob were about, to bad. It's working for me and
has
> been for 13 and a half years.
> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
> friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>

If your looking for a pro AA group you're in the wrong place. sadly i don't
think AA has a newsgroup. As for the people on here, not all are in AA and
not all can credit AA 100% for their recovery. My sobriety is down to AA, my
gods and myself. AA helps a lot of people but scares off a lot of people
too, especially those of religions other than Abrahamism based religions.

--
Darren
> --
> LRM
> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
the
> experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
disinclination
> to do so.
> Douglas Adams
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

"Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
news:f7OdnSCBmMYUox7enZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@gbronline.co m...
> "LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
> news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group?
>
> I'm relatively new myself, but apparently this group exists solely for
> the
> pleasure of "Robert McGregor" so he can have somewhere to shit on
> everybody
> and feel superior to the rest of us. I'm glad to be part of such a
> fine
> public service ... ;-)
>
>
;)

[Dudley Do Rite]

Hi Laura.

Many of our recovering in AA and share posts here and there. There are a
bunch of unpleasant posters who seem to want to see their own postings and
recognition, moreso than they want to help others. There are a few of us
who chime in when we think we can do another drunk some good. I haven't
found a better newsgroup and if you can look past the bitter posters, it can
be OK.

Rosie is the closest to doing any kind of "approved literature" work posting
excerpts from either Daily Reflections or the Big Book but we thank Rosie
for her service as there is no formalized kind of book study or anything
like that. Congratulations of your 13+ years. I'll have 6 months next
Tuesday and so far (fingers crossed) it seems to be working for me. I go to
3 or 4 meetings a week and check in (lurk) here every day if I can.

Good luck - welcome.

steve

"LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
> read through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself confused
> about what is happening here. Is this group in support of recovery via the
> 12 steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book or what? I
> stumbled in here hoping to find some drunks staying sober. Perhaps I have
> and perhaps that's why I'm confused. For those that have an issue with the
> 12 steps, and don't like what Bill and Bob were about, to bad. It's
> working for me and has been for 13 and a half years.
> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
> friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>
> --
> LRM
> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
> the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
> disinclination to do so.
> Douglas Adams
>

[Dan McGown]

"LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
> read through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself confused
> about what is happening here. Is this group in support of recovery via the
> 12 steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book or what? I
> stumbled in here hoping to find some drunks staying sober. Perhaps I have
> and perhaps that's why I'm confused. For those that have an issue with the
> 12 steps, and don't like what Bill and Bob were about, to bad. It's
> working for me and has been for 13 and a half years.
> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
> friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>
> --
> LRM
> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
> the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
> disinclination to do so.
> Douglas Adams

Sorry, the correct question was "What is the stars?" from "Juno and the
Paycock by Sean O'Casey. On the other hand, that's an excellent Douglas
Adams quote.
Anyway, welcome to the group, such as it is. It's a place with a lot
of sand and slurry mixed in with lots of water but it occasionally does
yield a nugget or two. Actually, with a little practice (that you probably
already have from being in other net groups) you can spot the attack dogs
who will bark and snap at anything that is new or moves. Some may surprise
you. Bob, for instance, frequently seems to be abrasive but it's usually
part of cleaning off the coat of crap in which most of us wrap our
pronouncements. There's a reason that Brillo pads work.
No, it isn't predominantly an AA group. They're next door at
alt.recovery.aa -- there are quite a few of us, however, that do find AA and
meetings and such to be useful to a greater or lesser degree. We are,
however, mastly just what you said that you were looking for: some drinks
staying sober. Do you have things to contribute? Do you have things with
which we can help? Frequently, the two amount to about the same thing.
Dan

[Dan McGown]

"We are, however, mastly just what you said that you were looking for:
some drinks staying sober." Should, of course, be, "We are, however, mostly
just what you said that you were looking for: some drunks staying sober."
I never claimed that I could type.


"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:hrudna17_-HPwx7enZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
> news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
>> read through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself
>> confused about what is happening here. Is this group in support of
>> recovery via the 12 steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book
>> or what? I stumbled in here hoping to find some drunks staying sober.
>> Perhaps I have and perhaps that's why I'm confused. For those that have
>> an issue with the 12 steps, and don't like what Bill and Bob were about,
>> to bad. It's working for me and has been for 13 and a half years.
>> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
>> friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>>
>> --
>> LRM
>> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
>> the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
>> disinclination to do so.
>> Douglas Adams
>
> Sorry, the correct question was "What is the stars?" from "Juno and
> the Paycock by Sean O'Casey. On the other hand, that's an excellent
> Douglas Adams quote.
> Anyway, welcome to the group, such as it is. It's a place with a lot
> of sand and slurry mixed in with lots of water but it occasionally does
> yield a nugget or two. Actually, with a little practice (that you
> probably already have from being in other net groups) you can spot the
> attack dogs who will bark and snap at anything that is new or moves. Some
> may surprise you. Bob, for instance, frequently seems to be abrasive but
> it's usually part of cleaning off the coat of crap in which most of us
> wrap our pronouncements. There's a reason that Brillo pads work.
> No, it isn't predominantly an AA group. They're next door at
> alt.recovery.aa -- there are quite a few of us, however, that do find AA
> and meetings and such to be useful to a greater or lesser degree. We are,
> however, mastly just what you said that you were looking for: some drinks
> staying sober. Do you have things to contribute? Do you have things with
> which we can help? Frequently, the two amount to about the same thing.
> Dan
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
news:f7OdnSCBmMYUox7enZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@gbronline.co m...
> "LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
> news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this
>> group?
>
> I'm relatively new myself, but apparently this group exists solely
> for the
> pleasure of "Robert McGregor" so he can have somewhere to shit on
> everybody
> and feel superior to the rest of us. I'm glad to be part of such a
> fine
> public service ... ;-)
>

Jeez, you poor inferior thang.

Just exercise a little patience! Soon as the rose sees you're ready
to pluck; she'll rent you a poopandpost foil hat that promises
immunity all over Usenet.

Brother Superior

[LRM]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:mLydnRSmDINIwh7eRVn-tQ@adelphia.com...
> "We are, however, mastly just what you said that you were looking for:
> some drinks staying sober." Should, of course, be, "We are, however,
> mostly just what you said that you were looking for: some drunks staying
> sober." I never claimed that I could type.
>
>
> "Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:hrudna17_-HPwx7enZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>>
>> "LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
>> news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
>>> read through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself
>>> confused about what is happening here. Is this group in support of
>>> recovery via the 12 steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book
>>> or what? I stumbled in here hoping to find some drunks staying sober.
>>> Perhaps I have and perhaps that's why I'm confused. For those that have
>>> an issue with the 12 steps, and don't like what Bill and Bob were about,
>>> to bad. It's working for me and has been for 13 and a half years.
>>> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
>>> friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>>>
>>> --
>>> LRM
>>> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
>>> the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
>>> disinclination to do so.
>>> Douglas Adams
>>
>> Sorry, the correct question was "What is the stars?" from "Juno and
>> the Paycock by Sean O'Casey. On the other hand, that's an excellent
>> Douglas Adams quote.
>> Anyway, welcome to the group, such as it is. It's a place with a lot
>> of sand and slurry mixed in with lots of water but it occasionally does
>> yield a nugget or two. Actually, with a little practice (that you
>> probably already have from being in other net groups) you can spot the
>> attack dogs who will bark and snap at anything that is new or moves.
>> Some may surprise you. Bob, for instance, frequently seems to be
>> abrasive but it's usually part of cleaning off the coat of crap in which
>> most of us wrap our pronouncements. There's a reason that Brillo pads
>> work.
>> No, it isn't predominantly an AA group. They're next door at
>> alt.recovery.aa -- there are quite a few of us, however, that do find AA
>> and meetings and such to be useful to a greater or lesser degree. We
>> are, however, mastly just what you said that you were looking for: some
>> drinks staying sober. Do you have things to contribute? Do you have
>> things with which we can help? Frequently, the two amount to about the
>> same thing.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>
>
I knew what you meant the first time. Thanks for the positive post.

LRM

[Bry]

LRM wrote:
> Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I read
> through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself confused about
> what is happening here. Is this group in support of recovery via the 12
> steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book or what? I stumbled in
> here hoping to find some drunks staying sober. Perhaps I have and perhaps
> that's why I'm confused. For those that have an issue with the 12 steps, and
> don't like what Bill and Bob were about, to bad. It's working for me and has
> been for 13 and a half years.
> If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
> friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>
It's not AA Laura, although some of the recovering
people do AA, some don't. Were just people who
wanna sober up or stay sober for most part. I'm
not quite there yet just preparing myself and
lurking for the most part.

[Bry]

Sardonicus Rex wrote:
> "LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
> news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group?
>
>
> I'm relatively new myself, but apparently this group exists solely for the
> pleasure of "Robert McGregor" so he can have somewhere to shit on everybody
> and feel superior to the rest of us. I'm glad to be part of such a fine
> public service ... ;-)
>
>
lol i've had no problems with Bob!! Not yet anyway.

[Bry]

Darren wrote:
> "LRM" <pissinginthewind@yourmxrecord.com> wrote in message
> news:5cygf.660$fO5.154@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>Hi all, I'm Laura and I'm an alcoholic. What the heck is this group? I
>
> read
>
>>through the last 5 or so days of posts and have found myself confused
>
> about
>
>>what is happening here. Is this group in support of recovery via the 12
>>steps of AA or not? Is this group using the Big Book or what? I stumbled
>
> in
>
>>here hoping to find some drunks staying sober. Perhaps I have and perhaps
>>that's why I'm confused. For those that have an issue with the 12 steps,
>
> and
>
>>don't like what Bill and Bob were about, to bad. It's working for me and
>
> has
>
>>been for 13 and a half years.
>>If I'm in the wrong place can some one kindly tell me where I might find
>>friends of Bill W.? (be nice)
>>
>
>
> If your looking for a pro AA group you're in the wrong place. sadly i don't
> think AA has a newsgroup. As for the people on here, not all are in AA and
> not all can credit AA 100% for their recovery. My sobriety is down to AA, my
> gods and myself. AA helps a lot of people but scares off a lot of people
> too, especially those of religions other than Abrahamism based religions.
>
> --
> Darren
>
>>--
>>LRM
>>Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from
>
> the
>
>>experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
>
> disinclination
>
>>to do so.
>>Douglas Adams
>>
>>
>
>
>
well said!

[Another Cultist Subliminal Message from AA: Boo]

Hi LRM,

You found a usenet group that agrees on very little and generally
argues over the same pointless shit over and over. A group of wandering
folks
primary goal is unknown, whose purpose is vague and for most part
sober. Sound familar ?

Welcome aboard.

[jim]

People seem strange when your'e a stranger,welcome aboard. Robert McGregor
used to piss me off too with his big words and all but I think the guy has
a good heart and he definately knows his big book and the program of AA in
my opinion.Rosie is the secretary of the group and Robert is the President.

"Another Cultist Subliminal Message from AA: Boo" <smappersmapper@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:1132842017.634184.301620@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Hi LRM,
>
> You found a usenet group that agrees on very little and generally
> argues over the same pointless shit over and over. A group of wandering
> folks
> primary goal is unknown, whose purpose is vague and for most part
> sober. Sound familar ?
>
> Welcome aboard.
>

[rosie read n' post]

rotflmao!
happy turkey day jim!

--

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turkeyday1rw.gif




"jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:p%mhf.598824$oW2.271390@pd7tw1no...
> People seem strange when your'e a stranger,welcome aboard. Robert
> McGregor used to piss me off too with his big words and all but I
> think the guy has a good heart and he definately knows his big book
> and the program of AA in my opinion.Rosie is the secretary of the
> group and Robert is the President.
>
> "Another Cultist Subliminal Message from AA: Boo"
> <smappersmapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1132842017.634184.301620@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> Hi LRM,
>>
>> You found a usenet group that agrees on very little and generally
>> argues over the same pointless shit over and over. A group of
>> wandering
>> folks
>> primary goal is unknown, whose purpose is vague and for most part
>> sober. Sound familar ?
>>
>> Welcome aboard.
>>
>
>

[Dudley Do Rite]

Ditto!

Rosie gets my vote for Secy but Bob's no President for any organization I
want to join! :)

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Vmnhf.4822$vq1.1094@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> rotflmao!
> happy turkey day jim!
>
> --
>
> HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
> http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turkeyday1rw.gif
>
>
>
>
> "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:p%mhf.598824$oW2.271390@pd7tw1no...
>> People seem strange when your'e a stranger,welcome aboard. Robert
>> McGregor used to piss me off too with his big words and all but I think
>> the guy has a good heart and he definately knows his big book and the
>> program of AA in my opinion.Rosie is the secretary of the group and
>> Robert is the President.
>>
>> "Another Cultist Subliminal Message from AA: Boo"
>> <smappersmapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1132842017.634184.301620@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> Hi LRM,
>>>
>>> You found a usenet group that agrees on very little and generally
>>> argues over the same pointless shit over and over. A group of wandering
>>> folks
>>> primary goal is unknown, whose purpose is vague and for most part
>>> sober. Sound familar ?
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[sportsfan]

Dudley Do Rite wrote:
>
> Rosie gets my vote for Secy but Bob's no President for any
> organization I want to join! :)

Same goes for me.
Be well,
kevin

[rosie read n' post]

thanks guys, but being secretary in here is NOT the kind of service work
i do!
;)

--

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turkeyday1rw.gif




"sportsfan" <nospamplease@fullofit.com> wrote in message
news:11octvb9v7ngd58@corp.supernews.com...
> Dudley Do Rite wrote:
>>
>> Rosie gets my vote for Secy but Bob's no President for any
>> organization I want to join! :)
>
> Same goes for me.
> Be well,
> kevin
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EDNhf.8047$js5.895@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> thanks guys, but being secretary in here is NOT the kind of service
> work i do!
> ;)
>

hahahaha, sure you just don't wanna lose prospective suckers by being
expelled for conflict of interest?

El Preeezeedendoh Roberdho.

From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>

Message-ID: 5Qdsa.61652$YE2.1120895@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com

> i have a private practice and take care of those who have
> difficulty

>staying sober, after attendance in treatments

> and/or recovery programs

[jim]

ha ha ha! Zeee secretario and zee presidento together in online bliss
forever and ever.
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4387ff75_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:EDNhf.8047$js5.895@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> thanks guys, but being secretary in here is NOT the kind of service
>> work i do!
>> ;)
>>
>
> hahahaha, sure you just don't wanna lose prospective suckers by being
> expelled for conflict of interest?
>
> El Preeezeedendoh Roberdho.
>
> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
>
> Message-ID: 5Qdsa.61652$YE2.1120895@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com
>
>> i have a private practice and take care of those who have
>> difficulty
>
>>staying sober, after attendance in treatments
>
>> and/or recovery programs
>
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

conflict of interest?
how could that be?
i am retired from the field and working on a major remodeling project in
my new home.

would being secretary in here influence my carpenters or what?
ROTFLMAO!






"jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Qquif.631191$oW2.144491@pd7tw1no...
> ha ha ha! Zeee secretario and zee presidento together in online bliss
> forever and ever.
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:4387ff75_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:EDNhf.8047$js5.895@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> thanks guys, but being secretary in here is NOT the kind of service
>>> work i do!
>>> ;)
>>>
>>
>> hahahaha, sure you just don't wanna lose prospective suckers by being
>> expelled for conflict of interest?
>>
>> El Preeezeedendoh Roberdho.
>>
>> From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpostNOT@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Message-ID: 5Qdsa.61652$YE2.1120895@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com
>>
>>> i have a private practice and take care of those who have
>>> difficulty
>>
>>>staying sober, after attendance in treatments
>>
>>> and/or recovery programs
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4FEif.9726$js5.3201@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> conflict of interest?
> how could that be?
> i am retired from the field and working on a major remodeling
> project in my new home.
>
> would being secretary in here influence my carpenters or what?
> ROTFLMAO!
>

Poor Bastardos!

"Get those hammers out of this house this instant, I'll have no one
getting hammered in my home, thank you very much!"..... "And take
that glue out with them! I won't have you sniffing drugs in my home
either!"..... "Don't you realise A GLUE is A GLUE is A GLUE?"

Of course, all that went without repeating, "No, not over there, HP®
wants that built over HERE." ..... "NO, NOT YOUR WAY ..... this MUST
be built HP®'s WAY, dont you know that's what I'm *PAYING* you for!"

Sure, chances are they might end up in here, desperately seeking ...
........ Carpenters Anonymous!

El Preeezeedendoh Roberdho.

[Knob Jockey]

"Darren" <darren@dazze.net> wrote in message
news:SXHgf.1314$0o2.298@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> [snip]
> My sobriety is down to AA, my
> gods and myself. AA helps a lot of people but scares off a lot of people
> too, especially those of religions other than Abrahamism based religions.

I've been to several AA meetings all over the place, and what I really liked
about the meetings was the down-to-earthness of the people there. Most were
very friendly & welcoming, plus many knew what they were talking about, as
opposed to counsellors who've only ever studied it in books. (Not that
counsellors can't be friendly or welcoming, just that it's obvious when
you're talking to an alkie who's been through it, as opposed to someone
who's only ever studied it). (Although sometimes an academic viewpoint is
good too if you want a different perspective).

However, what I didn't like about AA was the fact that it was too watered
down God-wise in my opinion.

I know this might sound odd, since many people are put off AA by the
slightest mention of the word "God", but in my opinion if you're going to
use the word "God" (and the origins of AA are in a form of Christianity
after all), then you might as well use the word "God" in the Christian sense
of the word. In other words, a being who created the universe, and who knows
us all inside out. Otherwise, what's the point of using the word "God"? The
word "God" then becomes meaningless.

I've been in AA meetings and heard people say things like "The number 11 bus
is my God, because it gets me to the AA meetings".
OK fair enough, as a *figurative* use of the word "God", and if the number
11 bus keeps someone sober then great, but the number 11 bus didn't create
the universe. The number 11 bus isn't *literally* God -- anyone can agree
with that statement whether they believe in God or not (since even someone
who doesn't believe in God is aware of the Christian *concept* of God, even
if they don't agree with it).

But having said all that, if you're sober down to AA, then I'm glad.
I hope you continue to remain sober.

Love, light and all that bollocks
Keep it real
KJ