Re: Who speaks for AA?

[Robert McGregor]

"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> Robert McGregor wrote:
>
>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>news:r6SdnVbM-uRJoOXeRVn-ug@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Robert McGregor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:y8OdnVYE5e5xuuXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>GaryRock wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why ask? You know everything about AA.
>>>>>>GR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe almost. There is one thing I don't know. I don't know why
>>>>>you guys don't choke on some of the most obviously untrue things
>>>>>you say. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Please provide a pertinent example, Ken, if only to indicate
>>>>you're
>>>>not projecting. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>Like saying that no one speaks for AA as if that is somehow a
>>>meaningful and not a misleading statement. Members speak often of
>>>AA and it is indeed rare that they say anything _against_ AA.
>>>Everything they say is _for_ AA. The only way they speak of AA is
>>>_for_ AA.
>>>
>>
>>Ken, seems it's *you* making a meaningless and misleading, if not
>>downright false statement here! Semantics encompassing speaking
>>"for
>>= on behalf of" included, who, of Virt, GaryRock and Andy, said
>>here
>>(or anywhere else for that matter) that "no one speaks for AA"?
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
> Bob,
>
> Get real.

hahahaha, I can't do your getting real for you, Ken.

You cannot document your claim, because you made it up.

Bob

[Ken]

Robert McGregor wrote:

>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>news:ZdqdnZ19R4GlfeXenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
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>
>>Robert McGregor wrote:
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>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:r6SdnVbM-uRJoOXeRVn-ug@comcast.com...
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>>>>Robert McGregor wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:y8OdnVYE5e5xuuXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>GaryRock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why ask? You know everything about AA.
>>>>>>>GR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe almost. There is one thing I don't know. I don't know why
>>>>>>you guys don't choke on some of the most obviously untrue things
>>>>>>you say. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Please provide a pertinent example, Ken, if only to indicate
>>>>>you're
>>>>>not projecting. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Bob,
>>>>
>>>>Like saying that no one speaks for AA as if that is somehow a
>>>>meaningful and not a misleading statement. Members speak often of
>>>>AA and it is indeed rare that they say anything _against_ AA.
>>>>Everything they say is _for_ AA. The only way they speak of AA is
>>>>_for_ AA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Ken, seems it's *you* making a meaningless and misleading, if not
>>>downright false statement here! Semantics encompassing speaking
>>>"for
>>>= on behalf of" included, who, of Virt, GaryRock and Andy, said
>>>here
>>>(or anywhere else for that matter) that "no one speaks for AA"?
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>Get real.
>>
>>
>
>hahahaha, I can't do your getting real for you, Ken.
>
>You cannot document your claim, because you made it up.
>
>Bob
>
>
>
Good grief Bob. I thought it ought that you cut my entire response
except for my rejoinder, "Get real" on alt.recovery.from-12-steps. Now
I find it really odd that you post the almost the entire exchange
leaving out all of my response except the rejoinder. What is wrong with
you? What are you trying to do? Are you taking lessons from Virt or what?

Below is what you excerpted from my suggestion that you "Get real."
______________________________________________

Get real. AA members all speak for AA. The "no one speaks for AA" is
merely to sidestep when someone says something that puts outsiders off.
Also organizations like NCADD and Join Together not only speak for AA,
they lobby for AA too.

Of course, with my experience, even an official AA spokesman on the
radio who was speaking _for_ AA lied through his teeth and said "No one
in AA takes the Big Book seriously" when confronted in front of the
audience with some of the crap in it.
At least those who promote AA "unofficially" generally really believe
the nonsense they are saying. This official AA representative on the
radio in San Francisco knew he was lying through his teeth. But if it
helps to "carry the message" . . .

Moonies call it "Divine Deception."

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Rrrrrick@webtv.net]

I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.

[rosie read n' post]

there isn't.

--

PRISONER ABUSE
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<Rrrrrick@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
> Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>

[Robert McGregor]

<Rrrrrick@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
> Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>
Hey, it's Rrrrrick ?

Jeez, and folks have been thinking these last 25 years that it's
Rrrrrip Van Winkle!

While you were snoozing, one official AA spokesperson even claimed
http://tinyurl.com/9rvyw he wrote the book, and another official AA
spokesperson http://tinyurl.com/bzrna wants the books burned!

There's at least one more official AA spokesperson, but that one's a
shemale, and gone into hiding now while purportedly perfecting that
humility caper.

HTH

Brer Bob

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> there isn't.
>
Jeeeeez, rosie, you don't haftabe *that* humble!

Brer Bob

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> <Rrrrrick@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:26222-437B3C04-18@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net...
>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>> Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>>
>
>

[Ken]

Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:

>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>
>
>
Rick,

I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio
show in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.

If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[stuart]

"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>>
> Rick,
>
> I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio show
> in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
> If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
>
> Ken Ragge

Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's why
there are group and district service reps.
"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"

When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on behalf of
AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
wouldn't know that.

> http://www.morerevealed.com

[Ken]

stuart wrote:

>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>news:dqSdnUcJO5--_ubeRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>
>
>>Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Rick,
>>
>>I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio show
>>in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
>>If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>
>>
>
>Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's why
>there are group and district service reps.
>"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
>explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"
>
>When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on behalf of
>AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
>But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
>wouldn't know that.
>
>
>
Stuart,

Either I am so far out of touch with AA that I was totally aware of AA
sending out a speaker when they know there is controversy which is a
_far_ different matter from sending out speakers where they know they
won't face controversy. Of course, I've not seen it since, either.

You certainly must know as well as I do that sending out an official
representative for a radio show where two authors of AA were is so far
removed from the norm that it may never have happened before or again.

Either that or you are so far out of touch with what AA does and doesn't
do that you just didn't know and confused sending out speakers to
promote AA where they won't face controversy is the same thing.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com


>>http://www.morerevealed.com
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[stuart]

Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
>
> >"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> >news:dqSdnUcJO5--_ubeRVn-rw@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> >>Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
> >>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Rick,
> >>
> >>I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio
show
> >>in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
> >>If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
> >>
> >>Ken Ragge
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's
why
> >there are group and district service reps.
> >"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
> >explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"
> >
> >When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on behalf
of
> >AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
> >But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
> >wouldn't know that.
> >
> >
> >
> Stuart,
>
> Either I am so far out of touch with AA that I was totally aware of AA
> sending out a speaker when they know there is controversy which is a
> _far_ different matter from sending out speakers where they know they
> won't face controversy. Of course, I've not seen it since, either.
>
> You certainly must know as well as I do that sending out an official
> representative for a radio show where two authors of AA were is so far
> removed from the norm that it may never have happened before or again.
>
> Either that or you are so far out of touch with what AA does and doesn't
> do that you just didn't know and confused sending out speakers to
> promote AA where they won't face controversy is the same thing.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com


Sorry Ken, you lost me with the run-on sentences and the confusing
grammatical stricture...
In any event, since you don't attend AA meetings, or participate at any
leadership level, it really matters very little.
Not much action in arf? I unsubscribed awhile back. Same old same old....:-)

PS Ever hear from Dave at the Llama ranchl? He had a pretty nice race car at
one point. I wonder if he still tears around the track at all?






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[Ken]

stuart wrote:

>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>news:45Cdndf2p4yAc-beRVn-iA@comcast.com...
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>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:dqSdnUcJO5--_ubeRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>>>>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Rick,
>>>>
>>>>I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio
>>>>
>>>>
>show
>
>
>>>>in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
>>>>If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's
>>>
>>>
>why
>
>
>>>there are group and district service reps.
>>>"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
>>>explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"
>>>
>>>When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on behalf
>>>
>>>
>of
>
>
>>>AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
>>>But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
>>>wouldn't know that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>Either I am so far out of touch with AA that I was totally aware of AA
>>sending out a speaker when they know there is controversy which is a
>>_far_ different matter from sending out speakers where they know they
>>won't face controversy. Of course, I've not seen it since, either.
>>
>>You certainly must know as well as I do that sending out an official
>>representative for a radio show where two authors of AA were is so far
>>removed from the norm that it may never have happened before or again.
>>
>>Either that or you are so far out of touch with what AA does and doesn't
>>do that you just didn't know and confused sending out speakers to
>>promote AA where they won't face controversy is the same thing.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>
>>
>
>
>Sorry Ken, you lost me with the run-on sentences and the confusing
>grammatical stricture...
>In any event, since you don't attend AA meetings, or participate at any
>leadership level, it really matters very little.
>Not much action in arf? I unsubscribed awhile back. Same old same old....:-)
>
>
Stuart,

Well, run on sentences is what tends to happen when I get tired. Put
briefly and hopefully succinctly, I've never before or since heard of AA
sending out someone to officially present the AA postition when there
were critics involved.

You are right about arf12s. Same old same old. Other than most of the
posters being being from 12-Step groups, it is Virt posting more than
half the posts and people thinking there is some reason to respond to
him. There really is no reason for the group other than a place to keep
Virt busy and from bugging people elsewhere.

>PS Ever hear from Dave at the Llama ranchl? He had a pretty nice race car at
>one point. I wonder if he still tears around the track at all?
>
>
>
I haven't heard from him in ages. Almost no one who used to post on
arf23s still posts there. Most people who post anywhere on the net on
the subject have gone to private discussion groups.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

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>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
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[stuart]

"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
>
>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>news:45Cdndf2p4yAc-beRVn-iA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>stuart wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:dqSdnUcJO5--_ubeRVn-rw@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>>>>>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Rick,
>>>>>
>>>>>I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio
>>>>>
>>show
>>
>>>>>in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
>>>>>If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's
>>>>
>>why
>>
>>>>there are group and district service reps.
>>>>"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
>>>>explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"
>>>>
>>>>When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on
>>>>behalf
>>>>
>>of
>>
>>>>AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
>>>>But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
>>>>wouldn't know that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Stuart,
>>>
>>>Either I am so far out of touch with AA that I was totally aware of AA
>>>sending out a speaker when they know there is controversy which is a
>>>_far_ different matter from sending out speakers where they know they
>>>won't face controversy. Of course, I've not seen it since, either.
>>>
>>>You certainly must know as well as I do that sending out an official
>>>representative for a radio show where two authors of AA were is so far
>>>removed from the norm that it may never have happened before or again.
>>>
>>>Either that or you are so far out of touch with what AA does and doesn't
>>>do that you just didn't know and confused sending out speakers to
>>>promote AA where they won't face controversy is the same thing.
>>>
>>>Ken Ragge
>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>Sorry Ken, you lost me with the run-on sentences and the confusing
>>grammatical stricture...
>>In any event, since you don't attend AA meetings, or participate at any
>>leadership level, it really matters very little.
>>Not much action in arf? I unsubscribed awhile back. Same old same
>>old....:-)
>>
> Stuart,
>
> Well, run on sentences is what tends to happen when I get tired.

Just a joke Ken. Maybe it's my comprehension...

Put
> briefly and hopefully succinctly, I've never before or since heard of AA
> sending out someone to officially present the AA postition when there were
> critics involved.
>
> You are right about arf12s. Same old same old. Other than most of the
> posters being being from 12-Step groups, it is Virt posting more than half
> the posts and people thinking there is some reason to respond to him.
> There really is no reason for the group other than a place to keep Virt
> busy and from bugging people elsewhere.
>
>>PS Ever hear from Dave at the Llama ranchl? He had a pretty nice race car
>>at
>>one point. I wonder if he still tears around the track at all?
>>
>>
> I haven't heard from him in ages. Almost no one who used to post on
> arf23s still posts there. Most people who post anywhere on the net on the
> subject have gone to private discussion groups.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
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>>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
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