Cocaines Anonymouses

[Rob Watson]

I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.

My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how kiddingly
that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.

and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and his
should check himself.

[Bryan]

Rob Watson wrote:
> I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
> Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>
> My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
> around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how kiddingly
> that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>
> and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and his
> should check himself.
>
>
i know more then one person who is very active
with aa and haven't had a drink in many years
smoke marijuana daily. Better then drinking IMO.
ME, i can take it or leave it, but leave it due
to forced drug tests. No big deal in my opiny.

[Rob Watson]

a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug

plain and simple same as poison

And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
trying to make in the last replie.

"Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Rob Watson wrote:
>> I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
>> Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>>
>> My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
>> around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how
>> kiddingly that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>>
>> and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and
>> his should check himself.
> i know more then one person who is very active with aa and haven't had a
> drink in many years smoke marijuana daily. Better then drinking IMO. ME,
> i can take it or leave it, but leave it due to forced drug tests. No big
> deal in my opiny.

[Bryan]

Rob Watson wrote:
> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>
> plain and simple same as poison
>
> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> trying to make in the last replie.
>
> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:k0Odf.72255$RG4.46496@fe05.lga...
>
>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>>I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
>>>Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>>>
>>>My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
>>>around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how
>>>kiddingly that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>>>
>>>and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and
>>>his should check himself.
>>
>>i know more then one person who is very active with aa and haven't had a
>>drink in many years smoke marijuana daily. Better then drinking IMO. ME,
>>i can take it or leave it, but leave it due to forced drug tests. No big
>>deal in my opiny.
>
>
>
i think there are different levels of drug use.
Some people drink, some smoke pot, some trip on
acid, some sniff cocaine, and some shoot up
heroin. I think it's a no brainer comparing a
potsmoker to a heroin junky. I've had friends who
ruined there lived with needles. One is in psych
ward as i speak. I'm happy in that she is forced
to deal with being dopesick and dry out. I have
friends who are lazy don't work smoke pot all day.
Some are functionable. None of the needle users
live a functionable life. I don't care anyway i
don't smoke the shit anyway.

Bryan

[Ken]

Rob Watson wrote:

>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>
>plain and simple same as poison
>
>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>trying to make in the last replie.
>
>
>
Rob,

Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.

Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
cocaine.

Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Bryan]

Ken wrote:
> Rob Watson wrote:
>
>> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>
>> plain and simple same as poison
>>
>> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>> trying to make in the last replie.
>>
>>
>>
> Rob,
>
> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> cocaine.
>
> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
AGREED

[Bryan]

Rob Watson wrote:
> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>
> plain and simple same as poison
>
> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> trying to make in the last replie.
>
> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:k0Odf.72255$RG4.46496@fe05.lga...
>
>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>>I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
>>>Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>>>
>>>My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
>>>around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how
>>>kiddingly that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>>>
>>>and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and
>>>his should check himself.
>>
>>i know more then one person who is very active with aa and haven't had a
>>drink in many years smoke marijuana daily. Better then drinking IMO. ME,
>>i can take it or leave it, but leave it due to forced drug tests. No big
>>deal in my opiny.
>
>
>
so since caffeine is a drug, your drug is a drug
is a drug philosophy just went to shit. Even
though it's socially acceptable it's still a drug.
Get a clue.

[Bryan]

Rob Watson wrote:
> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>
> plain and simple same as poison
>
> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> trying to make in the last replie.
>
> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:k0Odf.72255$RG4.46496@fe05.lga...
>
>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>>I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
>>>Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>>>
>>>My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
>>>around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how
>>>kiddingly that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>>>
>>>and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and
>>>his should check himself.
>>
>>i know more then one person who is very active with aa and haven't had a
>>drink in many years smoke marijuana daily. Better then drinking IMO. ME,
>>i can take it or leave it, but leave it due to forced drug tests. No big
>>deal in my opiny.
>
>
>
and same point with nicotine. I don't smoke
cigarettes anymore so don't really care but your
statement is just outrageous. Makes no sense.
And in your opiny you think you know it all.

[stuart]

Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> Rob Watson wrote:
>
> >a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
> >
> >plain and simple same as poison
> >
> >And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> >trying to make in the last replie.
> >
> >
> >
> Rob,
>
> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>
> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> cocaine.
>
> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com


In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to help
those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot heroin
are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with marijuana.
Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to get
high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological side-effects
both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you knew
that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
regular basis.

[Bryan]

stuart wrote:
> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>
>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>
>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Rob,
>>
>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>
>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>cocaine.
>>
>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>
>
> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to help
> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot heroin
> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with marijuana.
> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to get
> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological side-effects
> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
> The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
> was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you knew
> that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
> regular basis.
>
>
and every1 i know on morphine who have it
prescribe shoot that up too.

[Bryan]

stuart wrote:
> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>
>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>
>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>
>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Rob,
>>
>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>
>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>cocaine.
>>
>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>
>
> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to help
> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot heroin
> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with marijuana.
> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to get
> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological side-effects
> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
> The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
> was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you knew
> that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
> regular basis.
>
>
sorry stuart, Your a good help i like your posts
very much but i don't agree. And yeah any smoke
is bad. But the point is you can't look at
smoking a joint the same as shooting heroin.
There is no comparison, and i thought that's what
this thread was about. Yeah, and i do agree they
are both wrong, but you can't compare the two.

[Bryan]

Rob Watson wrote:
> I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
> Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>
> My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i joke
> around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how kiddingly
> that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>
> and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs and his
> should check himself.
>
>
only last friday you OD now you know everything

[Bryan]

Bryan wrote:
> Rob Watson wrote:
>
>> I recentley got yelled at by someone about talkign about Marijuanas
>> Maintenenace Program at AA! Lies and drama.
>>
>> My comment is if that is soooo funny with the Marijuana how about i
>> joke around about Cocaine Maintenance program! i would love to see how
>> kiddingly that went over. on that not i want to start up CA here.
>>
>> and as for him who said with the marijuana on me, i think that is bs
>> and his should check himself.
>>
> only last friday you OD now you know everything
see why i have a problem with some of AA recovery
philosophy?

[Ken]

stuart wrote:

>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>
>
>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>
>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>
>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Rob,
>>
>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>
>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>cocaine.
>>
>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>
>>
>
>
>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to help
>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot heroin
>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with marijuana.
>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to get
>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological side-effects
>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you knew
>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>regular basis.
>
>
Stuart,

I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
(Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
black market laced with a dangerous chemical.

As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
that is already done in O.A.

Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
like drunken fools.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Ken]

Bryan wrote:

> Ken wrote:
>
>> Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>>> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>
>>> plain and simple same as poison
>>>
>>> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
>>> was trying to make in the last replie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts
>> at 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use
>> it as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control
>> glaucoma, fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the
>> same as rock cocaine.
>>
>> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
> AGREED

Bryan,

I've never been a marijuana smoker but I have yet to see ven a tiny
fraction of the harm supposedly caused by marijuana that is caused by
even, in another post, Big Mac's from McDonalds.

I'm sure there are people who hide away from life by staying stoned much
of the time, but there are people who hide away from life doing most
anything imaginable. We can't make everything, like using the Internet,
praying, running and etc. illegal.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Robert McGregor]

"stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>> Rob Watson wrote:
>>
>> >a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>> >
>> >plain and simple same as poison
>> >
>> >And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point
>> >he was
>> >trying to make in the last replie.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Rob,
>>
>> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine
>> addicts at
>> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>
>> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who
>> use it
>> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control
>> glaucoma,
>> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as
>> rock
>> cocaine.
>>
>> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>
> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
> legal
> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is
> to help
> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who
> shoot heroin
> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
> marijuana.
> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than
> to get
> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
> side-effects
> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
> documented....

Well documented Hahahaha. Your undocumented claim is a neat reminder
of the time cops first proved illicit drug use caused asthma. The
intrepid investigators found Ventolin at the scene of most every
bust:) That was about the time a kiddie cop put on his sternest face
before proclaiming, "We know you lot are shooting up marijuana here!"

Bob;-)

[stuart]

Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
> > Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Rob Watson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
> >>>
> >>>plain and simple same as poison
> >>>
> >>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> >>>trying to make in the last replie.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Rob,
> >>
> >>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> >>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
> >>
> >>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
> >>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> >>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> >>cocaine.
> >>
> >>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
> >>
> >>Ken Ragge
> >>http://www.morerevealed.com
> >
> >
> >
> > In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
> > version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
help
> > those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
heroin
> > are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
marijuana.
> > Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
get
> > high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
side-effects
> > both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
> > The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
statement"
> > was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
knew
> > that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
> > regular basis.
> >
> >
> and every1 i know on morphine who have it
> prescribe shoot that up too.

Actually, there were a number of studies done in Birmingham England on the
oral use of morphine on cancer patients who later went into remission. Their
dosages were self-determined by subjective pain and most of them stopped
after their disease went into remission. You are right, there are those who
do get addicted as well.

[stuart]

Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
> > Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> > news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >>Rob Watson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
> >>>
> >>>plain and simple same as poison
> >>>
> >>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> >>>trying to make in the last replie.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Rob,
> >>
> >>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> >>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
> >>
> >>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
> >>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> >>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> >>cocaine.
> >>
> >>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
> >>
> >>Ken Ragge
> >>http://www.morerevealed.com
> >
> >
> >
> > In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
> > version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
help
> > those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
heroin
> > are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
marijuana.
> > Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
get
> > high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
side-effects
> > both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
> > The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
statement"
> > was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
knew
> > that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
> > regular basis.
> >
> >
> sorry stuart, Your a good help i like your posts
> very much but i don't agree. And yeah any smoke
> is bad. But the point is you can't look at
> smoking a joint the same as shooting heroin.
> There is no comparison, and i thought that's what
> this thread was about. Yeah, and i do agree they
> are both wrong, but you can't compare the two.
Maybe so. Ken wasn't comparing pot to smack, he was confusing medicinal vs,
non-medicinal uses of a drug.

[stuart]

Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
>
> >Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> >news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> >>Rob Watson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
> >>>
> >>>plain and simple same as poison
> >>>
> >>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
> >>>trying to make in the last replie.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Rob,
> >>
> >>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> >>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
> >>
> >>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
> >>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> >>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> >>cocaine.
> >>
> >>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
> >>
> >>Ken Ragge
> >>http://www.morerevealed.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
> >version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
help
> >those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
heroin
> >are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
marijuana.
> >Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
get
> >high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
side-effects
> >both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
> >The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
> >was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
knew
> >that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
> >regular basis.
> >
> >
> Stuart,
>
> I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
> (Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
> effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
> has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
> probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
> black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
>
> As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
> McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
> them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
> Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
> that is already done in O.A.
>
> Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
> illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
> thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
> inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
> HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
> Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
> were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
> was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
> little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
> heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
> like drunken fools.

Why would you quote a comical old movie about marijuana as a source?
Marijuana causes lung damage including lung cancer, COPD, long term usage
also causes neural damage to the brain, the kidneys and bladde, just to name
a few things.
It is not the harmless drug we thought back in the days of the Ledain
Commission.
I could point you to piles of studies. I don't personally know any
physicians who smoke pot these days either, do you?
Maybe its OK with you that the Captain on your next airline flight is a
recreational pothead? After hours of course. They don't call it "dope" for
no reason, Ken.

As for comparing pot with big macs, I think your analogy, although
understandable, is however not entirely applicable because the physiological
motive to eat hamburgers differs greatly from the non-medicinal reasons to
smoke pot. BTW, medicinal pot wil likely be dispensed as an atomized liquid
spray in the future due to the fact that human lungs are not a chimney flue.
In fact, it would not surprise me to see THC in pill form before long.



>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com

[Ken]

stuart wrote:

>Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:VQSdf.7453$Cw4.142@fe03.lga...
>
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>
>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>cocaine.
>>>>
>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>>>
>>>
>help
>
>
>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>>>
>>>
>heroin
>
>
>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>>
>>>
>marijuana.
>
>
>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>>>
>>>
>get
>
>
>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>>
>>>
>side-effects
>
>
>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>>>
>>>
>statement"
>
>
>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>>>
>>>
>knew
>
>
>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>>>regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>and every1 i know on morphine who have it
>>prescribe shoot that up too.
>>
>>
>
>Actually, there were a number of studies done in Birmingham England on the
>oral use of morphine on cancer patients who later went into remission. Their
>dosages were self-determined by subjective pain and most of them stopped
>after their disease went into remission. You are right, there are those who
>do get addicted as well.
>
>
>
>
Stuart,

Actually, someone is much more likely to become addicted when they are
given insufficient medication for their pain. The study of morphine in
cancer patients is far from the first that has been done showing people
not getting addicted in surgical situations when they are allowed to
dose themselves.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Bryan]

stuart wrote:
> Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:VQSdf.7453$Cw4.142@fe03.lga...
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>
>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>cocaine.
>>>>
>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>
> help
>
>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>
> heroin
>
>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>
> marijuana.
>
>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>
> get
>
>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>
> side-effects
>
>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>
> statement"
>
>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>
> knew
>
>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>>>regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>and every1 i know on morphine who have it
>>prescribe shoot that up too.
>
>
> Actually, there were a number of studies done in Birmingham England on the
> oral use of morphine on cancer patients who later went into remission. Their
> dosages were self-determined by subjective pain and most of them stopped
> after their disease went into remission. You are right, there are those who
> do get addicted as well.
>
>
and there are studies saying marijuana clears
glaucoma. C'mon stuart just because it's legal
with a script don't necessarily make it ok. But i
do c your point overall. You are educated folk, i
agree with pretty much everything you say. I
don't smoke pot, so i'm not even trying to justify
the substance. I've been judged an alcoholic ( i
am not in denial i know i am) buy potheads who all
they do is smoke pot day in day out. I don't
judge them, and they are in complete denial. I'm
not an advocate for the stuff. Care less about
it. Besides 'smoke' being harmful part, i don't
see it harmful, unless the person is too lazy to
look for work cause they get stoned all day. I
know people who are stuck in 6 dollar an hour jobs
because they don't apply any companies that drug
test. It's like lay off the weeds and pass the
drug test. Ridiculous. I don't understand that
either. And some people do overdoit with the
weeds. Me, it more less just stopped being
pleasurable, and along with fear of getting hurt
at work and getting drug tested i just avoid it
anyway. Whatever, to each there own.

Bryan

[Bryan]

stuart wrote:
> Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:bSSdf.7454$Cw4.565@fe03.lga...
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>
>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>cocaine.
>>>>
>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>
> help
>
>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>
> heroin
>
>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>
> marijuana.
>
>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>
> get
>
>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>
> side-effects
>
>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>
> statement"
>
>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>
> knew
>
>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>>>regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>sorry stuart, Your a good help i like your posts
>>very much but i don't agree. And yeah any smoke
>>is bad. But the point is you can't look at
>>smoking a joint the same as shooting heroin.
>>There is no comparison, and i thought that's what
>>this thread was about. Yeah, and i do agree they
>>are both wrong, but you can't compare the two.
>
> Maybe so. Ken wasn't comparing pot to smack, he was confusing medicinal vs,
> non-medicinal uses of a drug.
>
>
see my most recent post before this. Pretty much
explained my view. I look at pot both ways. I
think were closer on this issue then we both think
i may have gotten off subject a little.

Bryan

[Ken]

stuart wrote:

>Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:bSSdf.7454$Cw4.565@fe03.lga...
>
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>
>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>cocaine.
>>>>
>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>>>
>>>
>help
>
>
>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>>>
>>>
>heroin
>
>
>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>>
>>>
>marijuana.
>
>
>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>>>
>>>
>get
>
>
>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>>
>>>
>side-effects
>
>
>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>>>
>>>
>statement"
>
>
>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>>>
>>>
>knew
>
>
>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>>>regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>sorry stuart, Your a good help i like your posts
>>very much but i don't agree. And yeah any smoke
>>is bad. But the point is you can't look at
>>smoking a joint the same as shooting heroin.
>>There is no comparison, and i thought that's what
>>this thread was about. Yeah, and i do agree they
>>are both wrong, but you can't compare the two.
>>
>>
>Maybe so. Ken wasn't comparing pot to smack, he was confusing medicinal vs,
>non-medicinal uses of a drug.
>
>
>
Stuart,

I was far from being confused between medicinal and non-medicinal use of
a drug. Perhaps you are confused by moral injunctions and the quest for
absolute purity. We aren't talking about a board game where if you have
"the medical card" your are pure and sweet and get to pass yourself off
as such and collect $200 or if you don't have the medical card you are
vile and evil and you go directly to jail.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Bryan]

Ken wrote:
> stuart wrote:
>
>> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>> Rob Watson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>
>>>> plain and simple same as poison
>>>>
>>>> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>> trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>
>>> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>> cocaine.
>>>
>>> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>
>>> Ken Ragge
>>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>> help
>> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>> heroin
>> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>> marijuana.
>> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>> get
>> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>> side-effects
>> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>> The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
>> was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But
>> you knew
>> that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>> regular basis.
>>
>>
> Stuart,
>
> I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
> (Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
> effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
> has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
> probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
> black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
>
> As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
> McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
> them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
> Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
> that is already done in O.A.
>
> Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
> illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
> thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
> inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
> HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
> Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
> were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
> was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
> little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
> heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
> like drunken fools.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
i hold my view anything inhaled in lungs is bad
nothing more nothing less. we choose to smoke we
buy cigarettes. I breathe harmful elements at
work but yet my industry isn't outlawed. Keeping
the job because best job i get around hewre. I'm
so off track with this thread i'm going to shutup.

[Bryan]

stuart wrote:
> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:3o2dnRYsZ_seneXeRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>
>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>cocaine.
>>>>
>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>
> help
>
>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>
> heroin
>
>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>
> marijuana.
>
>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>
> get
>
>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>
> side-effects
>
>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>
> knew
>
>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>>>regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
>>(Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
>>effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
>>has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
>>probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
>>black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
>>
>>As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
>>McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
>>them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
>>Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
>>that is already done in O.A.
>>
>>Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
>>illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
>>thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
>>inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
>>HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
>>Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
>>were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
>>was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
>>little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
>>heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
>>like drunken fools.
>
>
> Why would you quote a comical old movie about marijuana as a source?
> Marijuana causes lung damage including lung cancer, COPD, long term usage
> also causes neural damage to the brain, the kidneys and bladde, just to name
> a few things.
> It is not the harmless drug we thought back in the days of the Ledain
> Commission.
> I could point you to piles of studies. I don't personally know any
> physicians who smoke pot these days either, do you?
> Maybe its OK with you that the Captain on your next airline flight is a
> recreational pothead? After hours of course. They don't call it "dope" for
> no reason, Ken.
>
> As for comparing pot with big macs, I think your analogy, although
> understandable, is however not entirely applicable because the physiological
> motive to eat hamburgers differs greatly from the non-medicinal reasons to
> smoke pot. BTW, medicinal pot wil likely be dispensed as an atomized liquid
> spray in the future due to the fact that human lungs are not a chimney flue.
> In fact, it would not surprise me to see THC in pill form before long.
>
>
>
>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>
>
i believe it already is stuart. I could be wrong
though, it is definitely possible? I could be
wrong again?

[stuart]

Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
news:BiUdf.2653$mY4.41@fe06.lga...
> stuart wrote:
> > Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:VQSdf.7453$Cw4.142@fe03.lga...
> >
> >>stuart wrote:
> >>
> >>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Rob Watson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
> >>>>>
> >>>>>plain and simple same as poison
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
was
> >>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Rob,
> >>>>
> >>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> >>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
> >>>>
> >>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use
it
> >>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> >>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> >>>>cocaine.
> >>>>
> >>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken Ragge
> >>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
legal
> >>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
> >
> > help
> >
> >>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
> >
> > heroin
> >
> >>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
> >
> > marijuana.
> >
> >>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
> >
> > get
> >
> >>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
> >
> > side-effects
> >
> >>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
documented....
> >>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
> >
> > statement"
> >
> >>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
> >
> > knew
> >
> >>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on
a
> >>>regular basis.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>and every1 i know on morphine who have it
> >>prescribe shoot that up too.
> >
> >
> > Actually, there were a number of studies done in Birmingham England on
the
> > oral use of morphine on cancer patients who later went into remission.
Their
> > dosages were self-determined by subjective pain and most of them stopped
> > after their disease went into remission. You are right, there are those
who
> > do get addicted as well.
> >
> >
> and there are studies saying marijuana clears
> glaucoma. C'mon stuart just because it's legal
> with a script don't necessarily make it ok.

No it does not. Drugs, even prescribed have been harmful


But i
> do c your point overall. You are educated folk, i
> agree with pretty much everything you say. I
> don't smoke pot, so i'm not even trying to justify
> the substance. I've been judged an alcoholic ( i
> am not in denial i know i am) buy potheads who all
> they do is smoke pot day in day out. I don't
> judge them, and they are in complete denial. I'm
> not an advocate for the stuff. Care less about
> it. Besides 'smoke' being harmful part, i don't
> see it harmful, unless the person is too lazy to
> look for work cause they get stoned all day. I
> know people who are stuck in 6 dollar an hour jobs
> because they don't apply any companies that drug
> test. It's like lay off the weeds and pass the
> drug test. Ridiculous. I don't understand that
> either. And some people do overdoit with the
> weeds. Me, it more less just stopped being
> pleasurable, and along with fear of getting hurt
> at work and getting drug tested i just avoid it
> anyway. Whatever, to each there own.
>
> Bryan

[Bryan]

Ken wrote:
> stuart wrote:
>
>> Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:VQSdf.7453$Cw4.142@fe03.lga...
>>
>>
>>> stuart wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who
>>>>> use it
>>>>> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>> cocaine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Ragge
>>>>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
>>>> legal
>>>> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>>>>
>>
>> help
>>
>>
>>>> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>>>>
>>
>> heroin
>>
>>
>>>> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>>>
>>
>> marijuana.
>>
>>
>>>> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>>>>
>>
>> get
>>
>>
>>>> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>>>
>>
>> side-effects
>>
>>
>>>> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
>>>> documented....
>>>> The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>>>>
>>
>> statement"
>>
>>
>>>> was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>>>>
>>
>> knew
>>
>>
>>>> that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do
>>>> on a
>>>> regular basis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> and every1 i know on morphine who have it
>>> prescribe shoot that up too.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, there were a number of studies done in Birmingham England on
>> the
>> oral use of morphine on cancer patients who later went into remission.
>> Their
>> dosages were self-determined by subjective pain and most of them stopped
>> after their disease went into remission. You are right, there are
>> those who
>> do get addicted as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Stuart,
>
> Actually, someone is much more likely to become addicted when they are
> given insufficient medication for their pain. The study of morphine in
> cancer patients is far from the first that has been done showing people
> not getting addicted in surgical situations when they are allowed to
> dose themselves.
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
eehh, my study with my friends say your wrong on
that. over half my friends i used to hang out
with have bad addictions. BAD.. there junkies,
and most of them were way overprescribed
everything by pill docs in the first place. But
overall, i can't say, and i have no faith in any
studies whatsoever unless i know more about it.
Most studies are so skewed one way or another they
are unreliable.

[Bryan]

stuart wrote:
> Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:BiUdf.2653$mY4.41@fe06.lga...
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>>Bryan <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>news:VQSdf.7453$Cw4.142@fe03.lga...
>>>
>>>
>>>>stuart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
>
> was
>
>>>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use
>
> it
>
>>>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>>>cocaine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
>
> legal
>
>>>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>>>
>>>help
>>>
>>>
>>>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>>>
>>>heroin
>>>
>>>
>>>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>>
>>>marijuana.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>>>
>>>get
>>>
>>>
>>>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>>
>>>side-effects
>>>
>>>
>>>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
>
> documented....
>
>>>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>>>
>>>statement"
>>>
>>>
>>>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>>>
>>>knew
>>>
>>>
>>>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on
>
> a
>
>>>>>regular basis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>and every1 i know on morphine who have it
>>>>prescribe shoot that up too.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, there were a number of studies done in Birmingham England on
>
> the
>
>>>oral use of morphine on cancer patients who later went into remission.
>
> Their
>
>>>dosages were self-determined by subjective pain and most of them stopped
>>>after their disease went into remission. You are right, there are those
>
> who
>
>>>do get addicted as well.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>and there are studies saying marijuana clears
>>glaucoma. C'mon stuart just because it's legal
>>with a script don't necessarily make it ok.
>
>
> No it does not. Drugs, even prescribed have been harmful
>
>
> But i
>
>>do c your point overall. You are educated folk, i
>>agree with pretty much everything you say. I
>>don't smoke pot, so i'm not even trying to justify
>>the substance. I've been judged an alcoholic ( i
>>am not in denial i know i am) buy potheads who all
>>they do is smoke pot day in day out. I don't
>>judge them, and they are in complete denial. I'm
>>not an advocate for the stuff. Care less about
>>it. Besides 'smoke' being harmful part, i don't
>>see it harmful, unless the person is too lazy to
>>look for work cause they get stoned all day. I
>>know people who are stuck in 6 dollar an hour jobs
>>because they don't apply any companies that drug
>>test. It's like lay off the weeds and pass the
>>drug test. Ridiculous. I don't understand that
>>either. And some people do overdoit with the
>>weeds. Me, it more less just stopped being
>>pleasurable, and along with fear of getting hurt
>>at work and getting drug tested i just avoid it
>>anyway. Whatever, to each there own.
>>
>>Bryan
>
>
>
sorry i've been skimming some the posts i'm
getting way off track this thread.

[Ken]

stuart wrote:

>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>news:3o2dnRYsZ_seneXeRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>
>
>>stuart wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>>plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he was
>>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Rob,
>>>>
>>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use it
>>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>cocaine.
>>>>
>>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a legal
>>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>>>
>>>
>help
>
>
>>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>>>
>>>
>heroin
>
>
>>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>>
>>>
>marijuana.
>
>
>>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>>>
>>>
>get
>
>
>>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>>
>>>
>side-effects
>
>
>>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well documented....
>>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous statement"
>>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>>>
>>>
>knew
>
>
>>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on a
>>>regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
>>(Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
>>effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
>>has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
>>probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
>>black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
>>
>>As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
>>McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
>>them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
>>Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
>>that is already done in O.A.
>>
>>Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
>>illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
>>thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
>>inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
>>HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
>>Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
>>were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
>>was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
>>little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
>>heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
>>like drunken fools.
>>
>>
>
>Why would you quote a comical old movie about marijuana as a source?
>
>
Stuart,

I think referring to the old movie was appropriate in the context of
supposed "law and order" types spouting harm that doesn't exist.

>Marijuana causes lung damage including lung cancer, COPD, long term usage
>also causes neural damage to the brain, the kidneys and bladde, just to name
>a few things.
>
>
The smoke causing harm to the lungs is not at all surprising but my
understanding is that it causes far less damage when compared to smoking
tobacco. As far as neural, kidney and bladder damage, I simply do not
believe it. At least not to any extend that numerous other legal
behaviors can cause. Where are the studies of people smoking marijuana
long term that isn't laced with things like PCP?

As far as lung damage goes, it is my understanding that many people who
use it for medical reasons use "vaporizors" to avoid the smoke. Of
course, that would land most people in jail in most states in the
interest of public morality and safety.

>It is not the harmless drug we thought back in the days of the Ledain
>Commission.
>
>
Yes it is. And you can point to all the studies you want. If you want
to prove something one way or the other, you need to point to
methodologically sound studies, not studies that are put together in a
way guaranteed to prove what the funders want "proven."

>I could point you to piles of studies. I don't personally know any
>physicians who smoke pot these days either, do you?
>
>
I'm not sure I know anyone personally who smokes pot. I would imagine I
do, but their brain function function hasn't given way yet due to the
effects of marijuana leaving them readily recognizable. Perhaps most of
the people I know, who are only in the 40-60 year range that do smoke
just haven't been smoking this dangerous, brain-damaging substance long
enough yet. :-)

>Maybe its OK with you that the Captain on your next airline flight is a
>recreational pothead?
>
Where did this stupid statement come from? Why are such stupid
statements always thrown in as if they mean something? You wouldn't
want the captain on your next flight to, say, have just had a stroke,
would you? You wouldn't want the captain on your next flight to have
lost his contacts and his depth perception along with it, would you?
You wouldn't want the captain on your next flight to be a member of Al
Qaeda on a suicide mission, would you? Of course no one wants any of
those things and none of them have to do with whether marijuana causes
an inordinate amount of harm or not. They are all just stupid
statements like the one you made immediately above.

Of course, now that I have reread your statement, of course I wouldn't
care if he was a recreational user. I wouldn't care if he had three
drinks with dinner two nights before either.

> After hours of course. They don't call it "dope" for
>no reason, Ken.
>
>
>
Well, they used to call it varying things back in the old days when it
was a home remedy for various ills. It only got a bad reputation
beginning with its use by the "lesser races" and a worse reputation by
propaganda campaigns like the one in which "Reefer Madness" was a part.
Without disliked minorities having used it and public propaganda
campaigns, marijuana might be not be any better known than anything else
used in folklore medicine 100 years ago.

>As for comparing pot with big macs, I think your analogy, although
>understandable, is however not entirely applicable because the physiological
>motive to eat hamburgers differs greatly from the non-medicinal reasons to
>smoke pot.
>
So those who eat a whole lot of Big Macs to the point of weighing
hundreds of pounds and needing two airline seats or even just clogging
arteries and dying of heart attacks are much better than the motives of
a teenager experimenting or an adult who smokes on occassion to relax or
as recreation?

>BTW, medicinal pot wil likely be dispensed as an atomized liquid
>spray in the future due to the fact that human lungs are not a chimney flue.
>
>
It will likely be dispensed in a way in which pharmaceutical companies
can make a handsome profit off of something that costs next to nothing
to manufacture.

>In fact, it would not surprise me to see THC in pill form before long.
>
>
>
It has been in pill form, which according to the drug warriors is okay
and the pharmaceutical companies too are perfectly happy. The only
problem with the pills for sick people is, if it is taken for people
unable to keep food down, they throw them up, if taken for other
problems, they can't get a consistent dose. They either overdose or
underdose.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[stuart]

Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:8aidnQm8jN_lheXeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
> stuart wrote:
>
> >Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> >news:3o2dnRYsZ_seneXeRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> >>stuart wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Rob Watson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
> >>>>>
> >>>>>plain and simple same as poison
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
was
> >>>>>trying to make in the last replie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Rob,
> >>>>
> >>>>Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
> >>>>12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
> >>>>
> >>>>Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who use
it
> >>>>as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
> >>>>fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
> >>>>cocaine.
> >>>>
> >>>>Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken Ragge
> >>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
legal
> >>>version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
> >>>
> >>>
> >help
> >
> >
> >>>those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
> >>>
> >>>
> >heroin
> >
> >
> >>>are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
> >>>
> >>>
> >marijuana.
> >
> >
> >>>Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
> >>>
> >>>
> >get
> >
> >
> >>>high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
> >>>
> >>>
> >side-effects
> >
> >
> >>>both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
documented....
> >>>The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
statement"
> >>>was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
> >>>
> >>>
> >knew
> >
> >
> >>>that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do on
a
> >>>regular basis.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Stuart,
> >>
> >>I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
> >>(Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
> >>effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
> >>has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
> >>probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
> >>black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
> >>
> >>As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
> >>McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
> >>them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
> >>Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
> >>that is already done in O.A.
> >>
> >>Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
> >>illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
> >>thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
> >>inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
> >>HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
> >>Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
> >>were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
> >>was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
> >>little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
> >>heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
> >>like drunken fools.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Why would you quote a comical old movie about marijuana as a source?
> >
> >
> Stuart,
>
> I think referring to the old movie was appropriate in the context of
> supposed "law and order" types spouting harm that doesn't exist.
>
> >Marijuana causes lung damage including lung cancer, COPD, long term usage
> >also causes neural damage to the brain, the kidneys and bladde, just to
name
> >a few things.
> >
> >
> The smoke causing harm to the lungs is not at all surprising but my
> understanding is that it causes far less damage when compared to smoking
> tobacco. As far as neural, kidney and bladder damage, I simply do not
> believe it. At least not to any extend that numerous other legal
> behaviors can cause. Where are the studies of people smoking marijuana
> long term that isn't laced with things like PCP?
>
> As far as lung damage goes, it is my understanding that many people who
> use it for medical reasons use "vaporizors" to avoid the smoke. Of
> course, that would land most people in jail in most states in the
> interest of public morality and safety.
>
> >It is not the harmless drug we thought back in the days of the Ledain
> >Commission.
> >
> >
> Yes it is. And you can point to all the studies you want. If you want
> to prove something one way or the other, you need to point to
> methodologically sound studies, not studies that are put together in a
> way guaranteed to prove what the funders want "proven."
>
> >I could point you to piles of studies. I don't personally know any
> >physicians who smoke pot these days either, do you?
> >
> >
> I'm not sure I know anyone personally who smokes pot. I would imagine I
> do, but their brain function function hasn't given way yet due to the
> effects of marijuana leaving them readily recognizable. Perhaps most of
> the people I know, who are only in the 40-60 year range that do smoke
> just haven't been smoking this dangerous, brain-damaging substance long
> enough yet. :-)
>
> >Maybe its OK with you that the Captain on your next airline flight is a
> >recreational pothead?
> >
> Where did this stupid statement come from? Why are such stupid
> statements always thrown in as if they mean something? You wouldn't
> want the captain on your next flight to, say, have just had a stroke,
> would you? You wouldn't want the captain on your next flight to have
> lost his contacts and his depth perception along with it, would you?
> You wouldn't want the captain on your next flight to be a member of Al
> Qaeda on a suicide mission, would you? Of course no one wants any of
> those things and none of them have to do with whether marijuana causes
> an inordinate amount of harm or not. They are all just stupid
> statements like the one you made immediately above.
>
> Of course, now that I have reread your statement, of course I wouldn't
> care if he was a recreational user. I wouldn't care if he had three
> drinks with dinner two nights before either.

Yes you would if you were a pilot yourself, as I am. My experience in the
flight arena, with all due humility, absolutely pales in comparison to other
pilots whose comments I have taken heed of. One chap, in particular with
over a half century of flying experience, actual flight time almost
totalling two solid years in the air if you added it all up. With ANY
student he taught, he could easily spot the recreational pot smoker. He
confirmed this in my mind in several instances. He stated that students and
even experienced pilots who smoked pot made far more mistakes in the cockpit
than anyone else.

Another senior ATP Captain made a similar observation. IN FACT they actually
test airline pilots and DO NOT allow them to fly if they test positive for
pot usage AT ALL.

You have NO argument here Ken. Sorry, but it doesn't fly with anyone..








>
> > After hours of course. They don't call it "dope" for
> >no reason, Ken.
> >
> >
> >
> Well, they used to call it varying things back in the old days when it
> was a home remedy for various ills. It only got a bad reputation
> beginning with its use by the "lesser races" and a worse reputation by
> propaganda campaigns like the one in which "Reefer Madness" was a part.
> Without disliked minorities having used it and public propaganda
> campaigns, marijuana might be not be any better known than anything else
> used in folklore medicine 100 years ago.
>
> >As for comparing pot with big macs, I think your analogy, although
> >understandable, is however not entirely applicable because the
physiological
> >motive to eat hamburgers differs greatly from the non-medicinal reasons
to
> >smoke pot.
> >
> So those who eat a whole lot of Big Macs to the point of weighing
> hundreds of pounds and needing two airline seats or even just clogging
> arteries and dying of heart attacks are much better than the motives of
> a teenager experimenting or an adult who smokes on occassion to relax or
> as recreation?
>
> >BTW, medicinal pot wil likely be dispensed as an atomized liquid
> >spray in the future due to the fact that human lungs are not a chimney
flue.
> >
> >
> It will likely be dispensed in a way in which pharmaceutical companies
> can make a handsome profit off of something that costs next to nothing
> to manufacture.
>
> >In fact, it would not surprise me to see THC in pill form before long.
> >
> >
> >
> It has been in pill form, which according to the drug warriors is okay
> and the pharmaceutical companies too are perfectly happy. The only
> problem with the pills for sick people is, if it is taken for people
> unable to keep food down, they throw them up, if taken for other
> problems, they can't get a consistent dose. They either overdose or
> underdose.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
>

[Ken]

Bryan wrote:

> Ken wrote:
>
>> stuart wrote:
>>
>>> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>
>>>>> plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>
>>>>> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
>>>>> was
>>>>> trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>
>>>> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who
>>>> use it
>>>> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>> cocaine.
>>>>
>>>> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>
>>>> Ken Ragge
>>>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
>>> legal
>>> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is
>>> to help
>>> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who
>>> shoot heroin
>>> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>> marijuana.
>>> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than
>>> to get
>>> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>> side-effects
>>> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
>>> documented....
>>> The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>>> statement"
>>> was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But
>>> you knew
>>> that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do
>>> on a
>>> regular basis.
>>>
>>>
>> Stuart,
>>
>> I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are
>> many (Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on
>> harmful effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no
>> study that has show consequential results from moderate use. Of
>> course, you can probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana
>> bought on the black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
>>
>> As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
>> McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for
>> eating them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we
>> haven't had a Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7
>> minutes? Perhaps that is already done in O.A.
>>
>> Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin
>> became illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today.
>> For one thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire
>> nor need to inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like
>> hepatitis and HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also
>> their families. Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try
>> to get people who were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch
>> over to heroin. This was for two reasons. One was that other than
>> constipation, there was little health effect. The other was that at
>> least if they were using heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave
>> appropriately as opposed to like drunken fools.
>>
>> Ken Ragge
>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
> i hold my view anything inhaled in lungs is bad nothing more nothing
> less. we choose to smoke we buy cigarettes. I breathe harmful
> elements at work but yet my industry isn't outlawed. Keeping the job
> because best job i get around hewre. I'm so off track with this
> thread i'm going to shutup.

Bryan,

Of course breathing all sorts of weird chemicals is not good for the
lungs.

In any case, I'm glad I'm not the only one who sometimes feels he is
getting off track in these threads. :-)

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

[Bryan]

Ken wrote:
> stuart wrote:
>
>> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> news:3o2dnRYsZ_seneXeRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>> stuart wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:_-Cdnb-Wc6FVbOreRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rob Watson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plain and simple same as poison
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, its illegal to grow the shit. that bein' besides him point he
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> trying to make in the last replie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone ought to tell that to all the nicotine and caffeine addicts at
>>>>> 12-Step meetings. They aren't _really_ clean and sober.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marijuana is the same as poison? Try telling that to people who
>>>>> use it
>>>>> as a medication to prevent nausea from chemotherapy, control glaucoma,
>>>>> fight muscular dystrophy and etc. and etc. that it is the same as rock
>>>>> cocaine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you people who make such outrageous statements for real?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Ragge
>>>>> http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, Ken, common sense must be applied. There is also a
>>>> legal
>>>> version of heroin. It's called morphine and its intended purpose is to
>>>>
>>
>> help
>>
>>
>>>> those in severe pain live as comfortably as possible. Those who shoot
>>>>
>>
>> heroin
>>
>>
>>>> are doing so because they want to get high. Same analogy as with
>>>>
>>
>> marijuana.
>>
>>
>>>> Marijuana is NOT a healthy thing to ingest for no other reason than to
>>>>
>>
>> get
>>
>>
>>>> high. There are a myriad of serious physical and psychological
>>>>
>>
>> side-effects
>>
>>
>>>> both seen acutely and with long-term usage which are well
>>>> documented....
>>>> The individual who made what you referred to as an "outrageous
>>>> statement"
>>>> was presumably speaking of the NON-medicinal uses of marijuana. But you
>>>>
>>
>> knew
>>
>>
>>>> that and you intentionally took it out of context, something you do
>>>> on a
>>>> regular basis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart,
>>>
>>> I'm not so sure about long-term harmful effects. While there are many
>>> (Brain McCaffrey comes to mind) in the government who insist on harmful
>>> effects just short of those in "Reefer Madness," I know of no study that
>>> has show consequential results from moderate use. Of course, you can
>>> probably dig something up on harm caused by marijuana bought on the
>>> black market laced with a dangerous chemical.
>>>
>>> As far as immoderate use goes, immoderate use of "Big Macs" from
>>> McDonald's kill. Are we going to outlaw them and jail people for eating
>>> them? Are we going to profess purity of spirit because we haven't had a
>>> Big Mac in 7 years, 4 months 22 days 3 hours and 7 minutes? Perhaps
>>> that is already done in O.A.
>>>
>>> Actually, the legal version of heroin used, heroin before heroin became
>>> illegal, had far fewer consequences than heroin does today. For one
>>> thing, being legal it was cheap and there was neither desire nor need to
>>> inject it, which causes untold suffering in diseases like hepatitis and
>>> HIV transmitted not only among heroin users, but also their families.
>>> Moreover, when heroin was legal, doctors would try to get people who
>>> were destroying themselves with alcohol to switch over to heroin. This
>>> was for two reasons. One was that other than constipation, there was
>>> little health effect. The other was that at least if they were using
>>> heroin instead of alcohol, they would behave appropriately as opposed to
>>> like drunken fools.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why would you quote a comical old movie about marijuana as a source?
>>
>>
> Stuart,
>
> I think referring to the old movie was appropriate in the context of
> supposed "law and order" types spouting harm that doesn't exist.
>
>> Marijuana causes lung damage including lung cancer, COPD, long term usage
>> also causes neural damage to the brain, the kidneys and bladde, just
>> to name
>> a few things.
>>
>>
> The smoke causing harm to the lungs is not at all surprising but my
> understanding is that it causes far less damage when compared to smoking
> tobacco. As far as neural, kidney and bladder damage, I simply do not
> believe it. At least not to any extend that numerous other legal
> behaviors can cause. Where are the studies of people smoking marijuana
> long term that isn't laced with things like PCP?
> As far as lung damage goes, it is my understanding that many people who
> use it for medical reasons use "vaporizors" to avoid the smoke. Of
> course, that would land most people in jail in most states in the
> interest of public morality and safety.
>
>> It is not the harmless drug we thought back in the days of the Ledain
>> Commission.
>>
>>
> Yes it is. And you can point to all the studies you want. If you want
> to prove something one way or the other, you need to point to
> methodologically sound studies, not studies that are put together in a
> way guaranteed to prove what the funders want "proven."
>
>> I could point you to piles of studies. I don't personally know any
>> physicians who smoke pot these days either, do you?
>>
>>
> I'm not sure I know anyone personally who smokes pot. I would imagine I
> do, but their brain function function hasn't given way yet due to the
> effects of marijuana leaving them readily recognizable. Perhaps most of
> the people I know, who are only in the 40-60 year range that do smoke
> just haven't been smoking this dangerous, brain-damaging substance long
> enough yet. :-)
>
>> Maybe its OK with you that the Captain on your next airline flight is a
>> recreational pothead?
>>
> Where did this stupid statement come from? Why are such stupid
> statements always thrown in as if they mean something? You wouldn't
> want the captain on your next flight to, say, have just had a stroke,
> would you? You wouldn't want the captain on your next flight to have
> lost his contacts and his depth perception along with it, would you?
> You wouldn't want the captain on your next flight to be a member of Al
> Qaeda on a suicide mission, would you? Of course no one wants any of
> those things and none of them have to do with whether marijuana causes
> an inordinate amount of harm or not. They are all just stupid
> statements like the one you made immediately above.
>
> Of course, now that I have reread your statement, of course I wouldn't
> care if he was a recreational user. I wouldn't care if he had three
> drinks with dinner two nights before either.
>
>> After hours of course. They don't call it "dope" for
>> no reason, Ken.
>>
>>
>>
> Well, they used to call it varying things back in the old days when it
> was a home remedy for various ills. It only got a bad reputation
> beginning with its use by the "lesser races" and a worse reputation by
> propaganda campaigns like the one in which "Reefer Madness" was a part.
> Without disliked minorities having used it and public propaganda
> campaigns, marijuana might be not be any better known than anything else
> used in folklore medicine 100 years ago.
>
>> As for comparing pot with big macs, I think your analogy, although
>> understandable, is however not entirely applicable because the
>> physiological
>> motive to eat hamburgers differs greatly from the non-medicinal
>> reasons to
>> smoke pot.
>
> So those who eat a whole lot of Big Macs to the point of weighing
> hundreds of pounds and needing two airline seats or even just clogging
> arteries and dying of heart attacks are much better than the motives of
> a teenager experimenting or an adult who smokes on occassion to relax or
> as recreation?
>
>> BTW, medicinal pot wil likely be dispensed as an atomized liquid
>> spray in the future due to the fact that human lungs are not a chimney
>> flue.
>>
>>
> It will likely be dispensed in a way in which pharmaceutical companies
> can make a hands