it's hard

[Bryan]

damn it's hard when i was raised in an alcoholic
home watching my parents get all fucked up, even
watching them do drugs, and that's how i grew up,
and turned into the epitomy of what i hated.
Fucking sad, i will get through this sober my ass
up. And get my head out of my ass very soon.
WOn't be long now you'll see.

[Bryan]

Bryan wrote:
> damn it's hard when i was raised in an alcoholic home watching my
> parents get all fucked up, even watching them do drugs, and that's how i
> grew up, and turned into the epitomy of what i hated. Fucking sad, i
> will get through this sober my ass up. And get my head out of my ass
> very soon. WOn't be long now you'll see.
i've been drinking but i lurk here for a reason.
past denial past all the bullshit now just time to
put it in action. familiar with aa too. I need
to sober up i've noticed i've been drinking ALOT
more lately it is time. please advise.

[Robert McGregor]

"Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
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> please advise.

http://tinyurl.com/8py4u

[Bryan]

Robert McGregor wrote:
> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
>
>>please advise.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
>
>
thanks i've read the big book twice. I like
chapter 5 too.

[Robert McGregor]

"Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Robert McGregor wrote:
>> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
>>
>>>please advise.
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
> thanks i've read the big book twice. I like chapter 5 too.

My advice is:- The _*instant*_ you find enough hope that recovery is
*actually* possible for you, stop drinking, one day at a time, while,
one sentence at a time, keep *complying* with those simple (if in my
case far from easy) instructions. If you discover you cannot comply,
get off yer arse and find out why!

That's all there need be to it. For me, anyway, popular complications
were not mandatory, at all. I did not even have to find a God,
http://tinyurl.com/eyypr just modified my life a tad in case a God
found me.

Bob

[Sardonicus Rex]

"Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Robert McGregor wrote:
> > "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
> >
> >>please advise.
> >
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
> >
> >
> thanks i've read the big book twice. I like
> chapter 5 too.

Bryan --

We're all different, so there's no one-size-fits-all solution to
anything. But I'd see if you could find an AA group and sit in on a few
meetings. I've been back in the program for about three weeks after feeling
just the way you said in your original post. Haven't been perfect since
going back in, but I do know that going to a meeting at least keeps me sober
for an hour and gives me a lot to think about ...

Reading the book is one thing, but talking about it with people you know
have been there -- and more than likely in a lot worse situations than
yours -- does more good (for ME, anyway, maybe not for you) than just
reading the book alone.

Keep plugging away, man.

Sardonicus Rex

[Miami]

It does not matter whether you like it or not. Just do what it says...
Or drink youreself to death, the same with me.

[Bryan]

Robert McGregor wrote:
> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:%zEbf.629$GT3.139@fe02.lga...
>
>>Robert McGregor wrote:
>>
>>>"Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
>>>
>>>
>>>>please advise.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
>>
>>thanks i've read the big book twice. I like chapter 5 too.
>
>
> My advice is:- The _*instant*_ you find enough hope that recovery is
> *actually* possible for you, stop drinking, one day at a time, while,
> one sentence at a time, keep *complying* with those simple (if in my
> case far from easy) instructions. If you discover you cannot comply,
> get off yer arse and find out why!
>
> That's all there need be to it. For me, anyway, popular complications
> were not mandatory, at all. I did not even have to find a God,
> http://tinyurl.com/eyypr just modified my life a tad in case a God
> found me.
>
> Bob
>
>
that's cool i didn't know they had a version online!

[Robert McGregor]

"Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
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> "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:%zEbf.629$GT3.139@fe02.lga...
>> Robert McGregor wrote:
>> > "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>> > news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
>> >
>> >>please advise.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
>> >
>> >
>> thanks i've read the big book twice. I like
>> chapter 5 too.
>
> Bryan --
>
> We're all different, so there's no one-size-fits-all solution to
> anything. But I'd see if you could find an AA group and sit in on a
> few
> meetings. I've been back in the program for about three weeks after
> feeling
> just the way you said in your original post. Haven't been perfect
> since
> going back in, but I do know that going to a meeting at least keeps
> me sober
> for an hour and gives me a lot to think about ...
>
> Reading the book is one thing, but talking about it with people
> you know
> have been there -- and more than likely in a lot worse situations
> than
> yours -- does more good (for ME, anyway, maybe not for you) than
> just
> reading the book alone.
>
> Keep plugging away, man.
>
> Sardonicus Rex
>

Have you ever heard of "90 day wonders" then wondered if your
brilliant 60 minute expertise is actually stopping you from
recovering?

Bob

[Sardonicus Rex]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
> news:D7adneI737WR6vLenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@gbronline.co m...
> > "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:%zEbf.629$GT3.139@fe02.lga...
> >> Robert McGregor wrote:
> >> > "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
> >> >
> >> >>please advise.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
> >> >
> >> >
> >> thanks i've read the big book twice. I like
> >> chapter 5 too.
> >
> > Bryan --
> >
> > We're all different, so there's no one-size-fits-all solution to
> > anything. But I'd see if you could find an AA group and sit in on a
> > few
> > meetings. I've been back in the program for about three weeks after
> > feeling
> > just the way you said in your original post. Haven't been perfect
> > since
> > going back in, but I do know that going to a meeting at least keeps
> > me sober
> > for an hour and gives me a lot to think about ...
> >
> > Reading the book is one thing, but talking about it with people
> > you know
> > have been there -- and more than likely in a lot worse situations
> > than
> > yours -- does more good (for ME, anyway, maybe not for you) than
> > just
> > reading the book alone.
> >
> > Keep plugging away, man.
> >
> > Sardonicus Rex
> >
>
> Have you ever heard of "90 day wonders" then wondered if your
> brilliant 60 minute expertise is actually stopping you from
> recovering?
>
> Bob

I don't believe all my problems will end with AA, but if it works for me --
and I haven't exactly been in long enough to render an honest opinion --
what the hell? I never said it was the right thing for everybody. We're all
different. I've met some cool folks in AA, they don't beat me up, and some
of them have come through a lot worse crap than I have.

What's your big beef with AA, Bob? Just curious.

[Robert McGregor]

"Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
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> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message
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>>
>> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:D7adneI737WR6vLenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@gbronline.co m...
>> > "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>> > news:%zEbf.629$GT3.139@fe02.lga...
>> >> Robert McGregor wrote:
>> >> > "Bryan" <bekberg@charter.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:EVDbf.60290$RG4.60258@fe05.lga...
>> >> >
>> >> >>please advise.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/8py4u
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> thanks i've read the big book twice. I like
>> >> chapter 5 too.
>> >
>> > Bryan --
>> >
>> > We're all different, so there's no one-size-fits-all solution
>> > to
>> > anything. But I'd see if you could find an AA group and sit in
>> > on a
>> > few
>> > meetings. I've been back in the program for about three weeks
>> > after
>> > feeling
>> > just the way you said in your original post. Haven't been
>> > perfect
>> > since
>> > going back in, but I do know that going to a meeting at least
>> > keeps
>> > me sober
>> > for an hour and gives me a lot to think about ...
>> >
>> > Reading the book is one thing, but talking about it with
>> > people
>> > you know
>> > have been there -- and more than likely in a lot worse
>> > situations
>> > than
>> > yours -- does more good (for ME, anyway, maybe not for you) than
>> > just
>> > reading the book alone.
>> >
>> > Keep plugging away, man.
>> >
>> > Sardonicus Rex
>> >
>>
>> Have you ever heard of "90 day wonders" then wondered if your
>> brilliant 60 minute expertise is actually stopping you from
>> recovering?
>>
>> Bob
>
> I don't believe all my problems will end with AA, but if it works
> for me --
> and I haven't exactly been in long enough to render an honest
> opinion --
> what the hell? I never said it was the right thing for everybody.
> We're all
> different. I've met some cool folks in AA, they don't beat me up,
> and some
> of them have come through a lot worse crap than I have.
>
> What's your big beef with AA, Bob? Just curious.

Why on earth ask that? In this instance, there was no beef with AA.

My point was simply that if you are a real alcoholic as defined in
AA's book, recovery is not a spectator sport, nor dependent either on
talking or reading. Recovery is dependent on action, and if you don't
take appropriate action, you'll appropriately stay the same.

Are you smart enough to recognise you "haven't exactly been in long
enough" to comprehend what, who, and when to heed, and what, who, and
when to ignore?

If so, fully endorsed by AA, the book, despite it's many faults, has
the appropriate actions needed to recover already laid out, and in a
proven appropriate sequence too!

If you pause for just a moment, you may recognise that AA's own
reality as expressed in AA's own book makes hordes of AA "sponsors"
redundant; and explains *their big beef,* with me.

Bob

[rosie read n' post]

> I don't believe all my problems will end with AA, but if it works for
me --
> and I haven't exactly been in long enough to render an honest
opinion --
> what the hell? I never said it was the right thing for everybody.
We're all
> different. I've met some cool folks in AA, they don't beat me up, and
some
> of them have come through a lot worse crap than I have.
>
> What's your big beef with AA, Bob? Just curious.
>
>

he was asked to "tone down his bullshit" and he didn't like it!

[rosie read n' post]

"Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
>
> .........................I don't believe all my problems will end with
AA, but if it works for me --
> and I haven't exactly been in long enough to render an honest
opinion --
> what the hell?


that was my attitude when i "walked through the doors of AA" too!
what the hell?

:)

it works, it really does......................
rosie
8-26-82

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> What's your big beef with AA, Bob? Just curious.
>>
>>
>
> he was asked to "tone down his bullshit" and he didn't like it!
>

rosie wrote:
>
> i like to remind people who gossip, and those who listen to gossip
> are EQUALLY wrong.
>
> when someone starts gossiping about another in my presence, i STOP
> THEM, and tell them that my listening to them is as bad as their
> gossiping, and i am not comfortable doing so.
> they NEVER persist in their gossiping with me.

Rosie, while half measures http://tinyurl.com/7bno8 are availing her
nothing, merely toning her gossip down will get her nowhere either.
rosie's HP® is obviously pooping, so best she go get herself a new
scriptwriter!

Anyway, just a couple of hours ago, the pertinent embargo was lifted,
and I was invited to rejoin the AA that (although not over "toning
down" any bullshit of mine,) actually kicked me out.

Must admit I was briefly tempted to accept, merely to gain access to
their archives and publish the pertinent details as rosie's xmas
toilet paper.

Factually, last century, I was kicked out of AA after pointing out
the hypocrisy of an AA "trusted servant" indulging in unmitigated
gossip to demonstrate "quality sobriety" for the unblessed masses.
That fuckwit was trying to prove what a wonderful chappie he was, by
*detailing* for us all the real or imagined defects of his wife.
There was no evidence, at all, of his wife having any opportunity, at
all, to defend her reputation.

Bob