Bobby L.
08-09-2003, 05:12 PM
<snip - see above>
Fantastic you say? (by the way, I am not sure fantastical is a real word in
any language - but with your advanced education you knew that, right?) OK,
back to the question at hand.
If it works for one person, is that not enough? Or let's say I can show you
10 people it worked for -- or perhaps if I tried at all I could find 100
that I personally know who have used the program of Alcoholics Anonymous to
stay sober and been successful - How many would be enough?
Sure, sometimes it does not work, then again, sometimes it does. I cannot
tell you if it will work for you. I can tell you it worked for me. Is that
fair?
I encourage any who are not sure if they are alcoholics to try the myriad of
other programs primarily designed for problem drinkers first. This is mostly
what I did. I felt like I had tried everything. AA was the first program I
tried that showed any significant progress in arresting my drinking and my
alcoholic behavior.
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As to the "once an alcoholic then always an alcoholic" - that is not AA
talking. That Theorem has been around long before AA came along. Even with
all the advances in medical and psycological science, this is still an
accepted theorem. This has more to do with brain function and
chemical/nerve path memory than anything else. It is generally accepted,
statistically speaking (you'll like this), at whatever increasing
comsumption level the alcoholic has reached upon stopping/quitting/arresting
his comsumption, if at any time that same alcoholic begins regular use
again, this alcoholic will in a very short period of time return to the same
comsumption level where he/she left off; however, with a higher rate of
increasing comsumption. Essentially there is a logistical curve of
consumption. If we start back, we simply pick up where we left off -- only
the slope of the curve is increased. This was an accepted theorem 50 years
ago and it is still widely accepted today. I should note that I said
generally and widely. You do not have to accept this, but the a majority of
psychologists/psyciatrists do. What level of education would you accept
before you allow an informed opinion? What level of study and education do
you possess in this area?
Bobby L
Fantastic you say? (by the way, I am not sure fantastical is a real word in
any language - but with your advanced education you knew that, right?) OK,
back to the question at hand.
If it works for one person, is that not enough? Or let's say I can show you
10 people it worked for -- or perhaps if I tried at all I could find 100
that I personally know who have used the program of Alcoholics Anonymous to
stay sober and been successful - How many would be enough?
Sure, sometimes it does not work, then again, sometimes it does. I cannot
tell you if it will work for you. I can tell you it worked for me. Is that
fair?
I encourage any who are not sure if they are alcoholics to try the myriad of
other programs primarily designed for problem drinkers first. This is mostly
what I did. I felt like I had tried everything. AA was the first program I
tried that showed any significant progress in arresting my drinking and my
alcoholic behavior.
-------
As to the "once an alcoholic then always an alcoholic" - that is not AA
talking. That Theorem has been around long before AA came along. Even with
all the advances in medical and psycological science, this is still an
accepted theorem. This has more to do with brain function and
chemical/nerve path memory than anything else. It is generally accepted,
statistically speaking (you'll like this), at whatever increasing
comsumption level the alcoholic has reached upon stopping/quitting/arresting
his comsumption, if at any time that same alcoholic begins regular use
again, this alcoholic will in a very short period of time return to the same
comsumption level where he/she left off; however, with a higher rate of
increasing comsumption. Essentially there is a logistical curve of
consumption. If we start back, we simply pick up where we left off -- only
the slope of the curve is increased. This was an accepted theorem 50 years
ago and it is still widely accepted today. I should note that I said
generally and widely. You do not have to accept this, but the a majority of
psychologists/psyciatrists do. What level of education would you accept
before you allow an informed opinion? What level of study and education do
you possess in this area?
Bobby L