Advice needed please

[Pepper]

Hello all that are kind enough to read this,

I have been dating my partner for 6 years. She is an alcoholic in the
sense that she suffers a severe change in personality when she drinks,
shows poor judgment and has difficulty stopping once she starts.
Remaining sober for weeks at a time is not an issue for her, from my
experience, her desire to party is just like everyone else's (Friday
happy hour, cocktail parties, etc).

I am not seeking advice suggesting AA or rehab, she is aware of those
options and when or if she is ready she will pursue them, but my
question is more of a practical or scientific one.

It seems she lacks the necessary chemical makeup that I and other
controlled drinkers have to regulate their intake and self-awareness
when
drinking. Is there any known drugs or strategies that have success
regulating or replacing or balancing this deficiency?

Again, I am not trying to start an argument in any way, I am asking
from a scientific point of view.

I sincerely appreciate anyone kind enough to share some insights
without telling me she needs to stop drinking or I am an enabler, etc.

[someone in need]

I had a similar situation.

BEWARE; if she encounters a "stressor" in her/your lives she may not
stop drinking and CROSS THE LINE and the personality changes will
become 24/7 until she seeks help.

there are drugs ie; naltrexone' that may lessen the craving but the
person has to want to take it.





On 10 Aug 2005 11:27:18 -0700, "Pepper" <SarasotaSoftware@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hello all that are kind enough to read this,
>
>I have been dating my partner for 6 years. She is an alcoholic in the
>sense that she suffers a severe change in personality when she drinks,
>shows poor judgment and has difficulty stopping once she starts.
>Remaining sober for weeks at a time is not an issue for her, from my
>experience, her desire to party is just like everyone else's (Friday
>happy hour, cocktail parties, etc).
>
>I am not seeking advice suggesting AA or rehab, she is aware of those
>options and when or if she is ready she will pursue them, but my
>question is more of a practical or scientific one.
>
>It seems she lacks the necessary chemical makeup that I and other
>controlled drinkers have to regulate their intake and self-awareness
>when
>drinking. Is there any known drugs or strategies that have success
>regulating or replacing or balancing this deficiency?
>
>Again, I am not trying to start an argument in any way, I am asking
>from a scientific point of view.
>
>I sincerely appreciate anyone kind enough to share some insights
>without telling me she needs to stop drinking or I am an enabler, etc.

[P]

Thanks for the reply.

Does anyone know why from a physiological standpoint why alcoholics
lack the ability to know when is enough? what I mean by that is that
when I drink, I have some awareness that I am getting buzzed, and can
somewhat moderate my intoxication level. Of course that sense weakens
with more alcohol, but it seems she never has that little voice that
says your are starting to slurr your words or you are getting a little
less coordinated.

Is there any research going on to explain that imbalance or lack of?

[stuart]

"P" <SarasotaSoftware@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123704458.747572.121720@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Does anyone know why from a physiological standpoint why alcoholics
> lack the ability to know when is enough? what I mean by that is that
> when I drink, I have some awareness that I am getting buzzed, and can
> somewhat moderate my intoxication level. Of course that sense weakens
> with more alcohol, but it seems she never has that little voice that
> says your are starting to slurr your words or you are getting a little
> less coordinated.
>
> Is there any research going on to explain that imbalance or lack of?

Yes. One theory is the creation of certain intermediate products during the
berakdown of alcohol in certain people which causes cravings for maore
alcohol. Just as theory at this point I think.

[Gail]

P wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Does anyone know why from a physiological standpoint why alcoholics
> lack the ability to know when is enough? what I mean by that is that
> when I drink, I have some awareness that I am getting buzzed, and can
> somewhat moderate my intoxication level. Of course that sense weakens
> with more alcohol, but it seems she never has that little voice that
> says your are starting to slurr your words or you are getting a little
> less coordinated.

Have you asked her if she has that little voice? Maybe she does and chooses
to ignore it, along with more consumption, continue happy hour and get
blasted anyway. She may be choosing to drink and get blasted for reasons you
may not be aware of. They may not be valid reasons but, she may believe they
are.

>
> Is there any research going on to explain that imbalance or lack of?

You sortof answered your own question already. Taken from your comments
above: (Of course that sense weakens with more alcohol)
Your are very fortunate that you can moderate.

[P]

That's a fair question. And again I don't mean in anyway to insult
anyone due to my ignorance, but we have discussed this at length, and
although she admits to insecurities that are suppressed when drinking,
she for the most part just feels that she gets carried away with the
fun and never thinks she has had too much. I beleive her when she says
that, and after observing her for 6 years I do believe that she is
logically seperateing her emotional issues from the times when she is
just out having fun and is drunk without knowing it.

She is seeking counceling for some past troubles, but there definately
is some component missing in her that just never says "slow down" that
I, and most people have.

I know when I am becoming impaired and from my discussions with other
people feel this is pretty common. I am not saying that my judgement
isn't impaired and I don't choose to do sillly things, but I know when
I am drunk for the most part, and she honestly has no clue. She can be
stumbling and slurring and think she is as sober as a judge. I beleive
there is a chemical issue here, and am really am curious if there is a
chemical or technical solution to that aspect of the disease.

[someone in need]

May I suggest to take her to a few AA meetings so she can appreciate
and understand(while still coherent) the hell that awaits her if she
crosses the line.

Or find some local skid row'ers and let her savor that for a while.
The ones that know thay are "fuxxed" but cannot stop drinking are good
motivators for pre-alcoholics.

Sort of like showing your teenage child the lung of a smoker after
autopsey




On 10 Aug 2005 14:20:30 -0700, "P" <SarasotaSoftware@gmail.com> wrote:

>That's a fair question. And again I don't mean in anyway to insult
>anyone due to my ignorance, but we have discussed this at length, and
>although she admits to insecurities that are suppressed when drinking,
>she for the most part just feels that she gets carried away with the
>fun and never thinks she has had too much. I beleive her when she says
>that, and after observing her for 6 years I do believe that she is
>logically seperateing her emotional issues from the times when she is
>just out having fun and is drunk without knowing it.
>
>She is seeking counceling for some past troubles, but there definately
>is some component missing in her that just never says "slow down" that
>I, and most people have.
>
>I know when I am becoming impaired and from my discussions with other
>people feel this is pretty common. I am not saying that my judgement
>isn't impaired and I don't choose to do sillly things, but I know when
>I am drunk for the most part, and she honestly has no clue. She can be
>stumbling and slurring and think she is as sober as a judge. I beleive
>there is a chemical issue here, and am really am curious if there is a
>chemical or technical solution to that aspect of the disease.

[Goofy]

Pepper wrote :
> Is there any known drugs or strategies that have success
> regulating or replacing or balancing this deficiency?

No.

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[P]

Does anyone know of any research being done on the physiological
differences between alcholics and non-alcoholics? It just seems that
beyond the emotional issues, there is a genetic component with a
physical reason why she reacts differently to alcohol than the "normal"
person. And if there is a physical reason, then there has to be a
physical treatment.

[someone in need]

On 11 Aug 2005 11:11:56 -0700, "P" <SarasotaSoftware@gmail.com> wrote:

>Does anyone know of any research being done on the physiological
>differences between alcholics and non-alcoholics? It just seems that
>beyond the emotional issues, there is a genetic component with a
>physical reason why she reacts differently to alcohol than the "normal"
>person. And if there is a physical reason, then there has to be a
>physical treatment.





http://www.alcoholism-cer.com

[someone in need]

The water is warm til you discover HOW DEEP




On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:01:27 +0200, "Goofy" <cointreau10@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Pepper wrote :
>> Is there any known drugs or strategies that have success
>> regulating or replacing or balancing this deficiency?
>
>No.

[rett]

P wrote:
> Does anyone know of any research being done on the physiological
> differences between alcholics and non-alcoholics?

It is genetic...
read "Under The Influence"...
the book is a great education in alcoholism.




It just seems that
> beyond the emotional issues, there is a genetic component with a
> physical reason why she reacts differently to alcohol than the "normal"
> person. And if there is a physical reason, then there has to be a
> physical treatment.

The "physical treatment" is to quit drinking..
the disease continues to progress with any amount of alcohol.