8-9-05

[rosie read n' post]

Reflections for Beginners
from
'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
- by Shelly Marshall
the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books


When our minds clear (as the drugs of alcohol, cocaine, pot, crystal,
and heroin work out of our system), our betrayals become clear. It is
painful knowing we betrayed the trust of our parents, our lovers, our
children, our employers and our friends. Most of all we betrayed
ourselves. Our steps are the steps out of the betrayal.

Higher Power, as I understand You, help me face my betrayals with
courage, knowing that each step will contribute to healing the betrayals


--

[jim]

What I like about AA is the only requirement for membership is a "desire to
quit drinking". Doesn't say anything about pot which is a harmless drug when
used responsibly. I met an old drinking buddy the other day,he looked great.
He told me he quit drinking 2 years ago and I told him I quit also. We both
said how much our lives had improved ,then he said he only smokes a bit of
pot now to relax.He does not attend AA.Whatever works eh?
Jim
"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Reflections for Beginners
> from
> 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
> - by Shelly Marshall
> the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>
>
> When our minds clear (as the drugs of alcohol, cocaine, pot, crystal,
> and heroin work out of our system), our betrayals become clear. It is
> painful knowing we betrayed the trust of our parents, our lovers, our
> children, our employers and our friends. Most of all we betrayed
> ourselves. Our steps are the steps out of the betrayal.
>
> Higher Power, as I understand You, help me face my betrayals with
> courage, knowing that each step will contribute to healing the betrayals
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

jim,
i can almost guarantee you, that pot smoking would lead me right back to
drinking.
so i don't!

--




"jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:On4Ke.160361$s54.108424@pd7tw2no...
> What I like about AA is the only requirement for membership is a
"desire to
> quit drinking". Doesn't say anything about pot which is a harmless
drug when
> used responsibly. I met an old drinking buddy the other day,he looked
great.
> He told me he quit drinking 2 years ago and I told him I quit also. We
both
> said how much our lives had improved ,then he said he only smokes a
bit of
> pot now to relax.He does not attend AA.Whatever works eh?
> Jim
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:AB2Ke.1643$mb4.247@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Reflections for Beginners
> > from
> > 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
> > - by Shelly Marshall
> > the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
> >
> >
> > When our minds clear (as the drugs of alcohol, cocaine, pot,
crystal,
> > and heroin work out of our system), our betrayals become clear. It
is
> > painful knowing we betrayed the trust of our parents, our lovers,
our
> > children, our employers and our friends. Most of all we betrayed
> > ourselves. Our steps are the steps out of the betrayal.
> >
> > Higher Power, as I understand You, help me face my betrayals with
> > courage, knowing that each step will contribute to healing the
betrayals
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[rockhound]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:57:34 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:

>What I like about AA is the only requirement for membership is a "desire to
>quit drinking". Doesn't say anything about pot which is a harmless drug when
>used responsibly. I met an old drinking buddy the other day,he looked great.
>He told me he quit drinking 2 years ago and I told him I quit also. We both
>said how much our lives had improved ,then he said he only smokes a bit of
>pot now to relax.He does not attend AA.Whatever works eh?

It's been said that around AA, on any given day you can find three
people who will wholeheartedly agree with what you've already decided
to do, and three others who will wholeheartedly disagree with what
you've already decided to do.

Anyway, heh - least you're not all strung out on Hazelden
meditations...


>"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:AB2Ke.1643$mb4.247@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Reflections for Beginners
>> from
>> 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
>> - by Shelly Marshall
>> the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>>
>>
>> When our minds clear (as the drugs of alcohol, cocaine, pot, crystal,
>> and heroin work out of our system), our betrayals become clear. It is
>> painful knowing we betrayed the trust of our parents, our lovers, our
>> children, our employers and our friends. Most of all we betrayed
>> ourselves. Our steps are the steps out of the betrayal.
>>
>> Higher Power, as I understand You, help me face my betrayals with
>> courage, knowing that each step will contribute to healing the betrayals

[jim]

I joined AA to quit drinking because it was ruining my life,then someone in
the program said you can't even smoke a joint once in awhile so I quit that
and was soon back drinking. I quit again and kept the pot and now I am 11
months sober and you couldn't pay me to pick up a drink. Like I said I
joined AA to quit drinking and when I am ready I will let go of the weed
mostly because I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I know that the smoke is
not good for my lungs.
Jim
"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:1123638408.4b4b8f3d091becf00d9a0c4c67a27190@t eranews...
> On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:57:34 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>What I like about AA is the only requirement for membership is a "desire
>>to
>>quit drinking". Doesn't say anything about pot which is a harmless drug
>>when
>>used responsibly. I met an old drinking buddy the other day,he looked
>>great.
>>He told me he quit drinking 2 years ago and I told him I quit also. We
>>both
>>said how much our lives had improved ,then he said he only smokes a bit of
>>pot now to relax.He does not attend AA.Whatever works eh?
>
> It's been said that around AA, on any given day you can find three
> people who will wholeheartedly agree with what you've already decided
> to do, and three others who will wholeheartedly disagree with what
> you've already decided to do.
>
> Anyway, heh - least you're not all strung out on Hazelden
> meditations...
>
>
>>"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:AB2Ke.1643$mb4.247@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> Reflections for Beginners
>>> from
>>> 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
>>> - by Shelly Marshall
>>> the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>>>
>>>
>>> When our minds clear (as the drugs of alcohol, cocaine, pot, crystal,
>>> and heroin work out of our system), our betrayals become clear. It is
>>> painful knowing we betrayed the trust of our parents, our lovers, our
>>> children, our employers and our friends. Most of all we betrayed
>>> ourselves. Our steps are the steps out of the betrayal.
>>>
>>> Higher Power, as I understand You, help me face my betrayals with
>>> courage, knowing that each step will contribute to healing the betrayals
>

[Gail]

jim wrote:
> I joined AA to quit drinking because it was ruining my life,then
> someone in the program said you can't even smoke a joint once in
> awhile so I quit that and was soon back drinking. I quit again and
> kept the pot and now I am 11 months sober and you couldn't pay me to
> pick up a drink. Like I said I joined AA to quit drinking and when I
> am ready I will let go of the weed mostly because I don't smoke
> cigarettes anymore and I know that the smoke is not good for my lungs.
> Jim

A person who smokes pot inhales deeper and holds the smoke in longer than a
person who smokes cigs. And you are trying to convince us that it is safer
than alcohol or cigs? Who you trying to convince, Jim? Do you make a lot of
excuses to meet your own wants?
Sorry, you just haven't convinced me at all that you are the least bit sober
or have anything near sober thinking and behavior. You haven't had a drink
in 11 months. That is a great start but, there is more to recovery than just
not drinking or using drugs. It appears that you are not ready for recovery
and all that it requires, yet. Just my opinion.


> "rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
> news:1123638408.4b4b8f3d091becf00d9a0c4c67a27190@t eranews...
>> On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:57:34 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> What I like about AA is the only requirement for membership is a
>>> "desire to
>>> quit drinking". Doesn't say anything about pot which is a harmless
>>> drug when
>>> used responsibly. I met an old drinking buddy the other day,he
>>> looked great.
>>> He told me he quit drinking 2 years ago and I told him I quit also.
>>> We both
>>> said how much our lives had improved ,then he said he only smokes a
>>> bit of pot now to relax.He does not attend AA.Whatever works eh?
>>
>> It's been said that around AA, on any given day you can find three
>> people who will wholeheartedly agree with what you've already decided
>> to do, and three others who will wholeheartedly disagree with what
>> you've already decided to do.
>>
>> Anyway, heh - least you're not all strung out on Hazelden
>> meditations...
>>
>>
>>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:AB2Ke.1643$mb4.247@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> Reflections for Beginners
>>>> from
>>>> 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
>>>> - by Shelly Marshall
>>>> the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When our minds clear (as the drugs of alcohol, cocaine, pot,
>>>> crystal, and heroin work out of our system), our betrayals become
>>>> clear. It is painful knowing we betrayed the trust of our parents,
>>>> our lovers, our children, our employers and our friends. Most of
>>>> all we betrayed ourselves. Our steps are the steps out of the
>>>> betrayal. Higher Power, as I understand You, help me face my betrayals
>>>> with
>>>> courage, knowing that each step will contribute to healing the
>>>> betrayals

[rockhound]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:16:43 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:

>I joined AA to quit drinking because it was ruining my life,then someone in
>the program said you can't even smoke a joint once in awhile so I quit that
>and was soon back drinking. I quit again and kept the pot and now I am 11
>months sober and you couldn't pay me to pick up a drink. Like I said I
>joined AA to quit drinking and when I am ready I will let go of the weed
>mostly because I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I know that the smoke is
>not good for my lungs.
>Jim


No sweat, jim, anything goes 'round AA, don't let 'em tell ya any
different - these decisions are yours and yours alone. AA does not
require that you do or believe or conform to anything at all.

Some folks might just be trying to save you some time, you never know,
since pretty much all of us alcoholics have tried using countless
substitutes for alcohol at various times in our lives in misguided
(and failed) attempts to manage our drinking.

verbatim:
Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only,
limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking in
the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house,
never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties,
switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines, agreeing
to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not taking a trip,
swearing off forever (with and without a solemn oath), taking more
physical exercise, reading inspirational books, going to health farms
and sanitariums, accepting voluntary commitment to asylums we could
increase the list ad infinitum.

[jim]

Thanks Rock.And Rosie thank you for not being critical of what I am
doing.You are an example of someone with character.And Gail,yes pot is safer
than cigarettes because you smoke much less [tons of research has been done
on this} and I said that I plan to quit eventually and if you think alcohol
is safer you have a screw loose.I am not trying to convince anyone to follow
my path, just sharing what I am doing and if you don't like it that's too
bad miss perfect program lady.
Jim
"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:1123720938.6968c26c10dd7ce389dbf7e088ba1960@t eranews...
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:16:43 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>I joined AA to quit drinking because it was ruining my life,then someone
>>in
>>the program said you can't even smoke a joint once in awhile so I quit
>>that
>>and was soon back drinking. I quit again and kept the pot and now I am 11
>>months sober and you couldn't pay me to pick up a drink. Like I said I
>>joined AA to quit drinking and when I am ready I will let go of the weed
>>mostly because I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I know that the smoke
>>is
>>not good for my lungs.
>>Jim
>
>
> No sweat, jim, anything goes 'round AA, don't let 'em tell ya any
> different - these decisions are yours and yours alone. AA does not
> require that you do or believe or conform to anything at all.
>
> Some folks might just be trying to save you some time, you never know,
> since pretty much all of us alcoholics have tried using countless
> substitutes for alcohol at various times in our lives in misguided
> (and failed) attempts to manage our drinking.
>
> verbatim:
> Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only,
> limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking in
> the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house,
> never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties,
> switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines, agreeing
> to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not taking a trip,
> swearing off forever (with and without a solemn oath), taking more
> physical exercise, reading inspirational books, going to health farms
> and sanitariums, accepting voluntary commitment to asylums we could
> increase the list ad infinitum.
>

[Gail]

jim wrote:
> Thanks Rock.And Rosie thank you for not being critical of what I am
> doing.You are an example of someone with character.And Gail,yes pot
> is safer than cigarettes because you smoke much less [tons of
> research has been done on this} and I said that I plan to quit
> eventually and if you think alcohol is safer you have a screw loose.I
> am not trying to convince anyone to follow my path, just sharing what
> I am doing and if you don't like it that's too bad miss perfect
> program lady. Jim

Well thanks, Jim. I have never thought of myself as a perfect program lady.
I am sure there are people in here that will agree that I am not...LOL!
I never told you to stop smoking pot. I just said that what you say about it
is bull shit. I could have just said, "Keep coming back". You are the one
saying pot is safer than alcohol cause you are the one smoking it in the
place of drinking...DUH!

Gail (cough, puffing on a cig)

..
> "rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
> news:1123720938.6968c26c10dd7ce389dbf7e088ba1960@t eranews...
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:16:43 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I joined AA to quit drinking because it was ruining my life,then
>>> someone in
>>> the program said you can't even smoke a joint once in awhile so I
>>> quit that
>>> and was soon back drinking. I quit again and kept the pot and now I
>>> am 11 months sober and you couldn't pay me to pick up a drink. Like
>>> I said I joined AA to quit drinking and when I am ready I will let
>>> go of the weed mostly because I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and
>>> I know that the smoke is
>>> not good for my lungs.
>>> Jim
>>
>>
>> No sweat, jim, anything goes 'round AA, don't let 'em tell ya any
>> different - these decisions are yours and yours alone. AA does not
>> require that you do or believe or conform to anything at all.
>>
>> Some folks might just be trying to save you some time, you never
>> know, since pretty much all of us alcoholics have tried using
>> countless substitutes for alcohol at various times in our lives in
>> misguided (and failed) attempts to manage our drinking.
>>
>> verbatim:
>> Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only,
>> limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking
>> in the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house,
>> never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties,
>> switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines,
>> agreeing to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not
>> taking a trip, swearing off forever (with and without a solemn
>> oath), taking more physical exercise, reading inspirational books,
>> going to health farms and sanitariums, accepting voluntary
>> commitment to asylums we could increase the list ad infinitum.

[Gail]

I tend to go with the {tons of people who have tried substituting one
drug for another and failed.} I also speak from experience and am just
sharing. Sorry if that offends you. Smoke a joint to relax and get over
it, friend.
All the best,
Gail

[Gail]

To Jim...sorry it didn't have the original post with this.

Gail wrote:
> I tend to go with the {tons of people who have tried substituting one
> drug for another and failed.} I also speak from experience and am just
> sharing. Sorry if that offends you. Smoke a joint to relax and get
> over it, friend.
> All the best,
> Gail

[jim]

Ok Gail,no problem.I know pot is a touchy subject with some folks in the
program.Just for your info I am not substituting pot for booze, I always
liked weed and combined the two all the time,couldnt have one without the
other.Now I just use the pot which seems to be all I need.Is that a
problem?I am happier and healthier than I have been since I was a kid ,I go
to three or four meetings a week [straight] and am currently sighned up to
take a novelco to finally get into the steps.Who knows I may let go of the
pot in a couple of months or maybe never, right now I am happy to be free of
the alcohol .AA works for people who smoke pot too and I bet there a hell of
a lot in the program who are like me but keep it a secret because of fear of
what their AA friends will think.End of discussion,have a great day Gail.
Jim
"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AsNKe.4341$vb3.1717@fe07.lga...
> To Jim...sorry it didn't have the original post with this.
>
> Gail wrote:
>> I tend to go with the {tons of people who have tried substituting one
>> drug for another and failed.} I also speak from experience and am just
>> sharing. Sorry if that offends you. Smoke a joint to relax and get
>> over it, friend.
>> All the best,
>> Gail
>
>

[Gail]

jim wrote:
> Ok Gail,no problem.I know pot is a touchy subject with some folks in
> the program.Just for your info I am not substituting pot for booze, I
> always liked weed and combined the two all the time,couldnt have one
> without the other.Now I just use the pot which seems to be all I
> need.Is that a problem?I am happier and healthier than I have been
> since I was a kid ,I go to three or four meetings a week [straight]
> and am currently sighned up to take a novelco to finally get into the
> steps.Who knows I may let go of the pot in a couple of months or
> maybe never, right now I am happy to be free of the alcohol .AA works
> for people who smoke pot too and I bet there a hell of a lot in the
> program who are like me but keep it a secret because of fear of what
> their AA friends will think.End of discussion,have a great day Gail.

You are probably right on, Jim. Great on the 11 months not drinking!
What is a novelco and why do you have to sign up for it? I have never heard
that before.
Take care,
Gail

> Jim "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:AsNKe.4341$vb3.1717@fe07.lga...
>> To Jim...sorry it didn't have the original post with this.
>>
>> Gail wrote:
>>> I tend to go with the {tons of people who have tried substituting
>>> one drug for another and failed.} I also speak from experience and
>>> am just sharing. Sorry if that offends you. Smoke a joint to relax
>>> and get over it, friend.
>>> All the best,
>>> Gail

[jim]

A Novelco is a way of formerly doing the steps.I tryed one a year ago but
went out drinking after we finished step 4. You meet once a week and work
through the steps in 12 weeks. There is a moderator and you follow the big
book and 12by 12.They arrange a place to do your step 5 if you need one
too.It's a good way for people who have trouble getting motivated or are
dragging their feet like me on doing the steps.
Jim
"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> jim wrote:
>> Ok Gail,no problem.I know pot is a touchy subject with some folks in
>> the program.Just for your info I am not substituting pot for booze, I
>> always liked weed and combined the two all the time,couldnt have one
>> without the other.Now I just use the pot which seems to be all I
>> need.Is that a problem?I am happier and healthier than I have been
>> since I was a kid ,I go to three or four meetings a week [straight]
>> and am currently sighned up to take a novelco to finally get into the
>> steps.Who knows I may let go of the pot in a couple of months or
>> maybe never, right now I am happy to be free of the alcohol .AA works
>> for people who smoke pot too and I bet there a hell of a lot in the
>> program who are like me but keep it a secret because of fear of what
>> their AA friends will think.End of discussion,have a great day Gail.
>
> You are probably right on, Jim. Great on the 11 months not drinking!
> What is a novelco and why do you have to sign up for it? I have never
> heard that before.
> Take care,
> Gail
>
>> Jim "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:AsNKe.4341$vb3.1717@fe07.lga...
>>> To Jim...sorry it didn't have the original post with this.
>>>
>>> Gail wrote:
>>>> I tend to go with the {tons of people who have tried substituting
>>>> one drug for another and failed.} I also speak from experience and
>>>> am just sharing. Sorry if that offends you. Smoke a joint to relax
>>>> and get over it, friend.
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Gail
>
>