Re: 7-28-05

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> THOSE WHO STILL SUFFER
>
>The group exists so that the alcoholic can
> find
> a new way of life, a life abundant in happiness, joy, and freedom.

" rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I want love and caring in my group, so I can grow.

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ROTFLMAO!
> isn't it alcoholics that keep doing the same thing, but expect
> different results?
> ;)


“When, in the Big Book, written in 1938, he (Bill Wilson) had
described sobriety as ‘a fourth dimension of existence of which we
had not even dreamed,’ he had meant it in all sincerity. Now,
scarcely five years later, he was plunged into an abyss of such
bleakness and negativity as to make him suicidal. Bills depressions
lasted for roughly 11 years in all, until 1955, when he was finally
freed of them. …… An awful lot of people believed he was drinking. ”
Pass It On p 293.

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)

[Sharx35]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yB4Ge.3138$dR5.1024@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> THOSE WHO STILL SUFFER
>>
>>The group exists so that the alcoholic can
>> find
>> a new way of life, a life abundant in happiness, joy, and freedom.
>
> " rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xjlYc.21461$sO2.16728@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> I want love and caring in my group, so I can grow.
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pft7e.15154$PA4.15027@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> ROTFLMAO!
>> isn't it alcoholics that keep doing the same thing, but expect
>> different results?
>> ;)
>
>
> "When, in the Big Book, written in 1938, he (Bill Wilson) had
> described sobriety as 'a fourth dimension of existence of which we
> had not even dreamed,' he had meant it in all sincerity. Now,
> scarcely five years later, he was plunged into an abyss of such
> bleakness and negativity as to make him suicidal. Bills depressions
> lasted for roughly 11 years in all, until 1955, when he was finally
> freed of them. .. An awful lot of people believed he was drinking. "
> Pass It On p 293.

Bill's experiences in sobriety relating to depression made me feel a lot
better when I went through that crap several years into the program.


>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
>> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
>> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:42e8decb_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "When, in the Big Book, written in 1938, he (Bill Wilson) had
>> described sobriety as 'a fourth dimension of existence of which we
>> had not even dreamed,' he had meant it in all sincerity. Now,
>> scarcely five years later, he was plunged into an abyss of such
>> bleakness and negativity as to make him suicidal. Bills
>> depressions
>> lasted for roughly 11 years in all, until 1955, when he was
>> finally
>> freed of them. .. An awful lot of people believed he was drinking.
>> "
>> Pass It On p 293.
>
> Bill's experiences in sobriety relating to depression made me feel
> a lot better when I went through that crap several years into the
> program.
>

I felt a lot better after researching Bill's depressions and
co-incidentally finding the same solution to depression that Bill had
found. The clues, but not (as far as I recall) the solution, are in
"Pass It On."

“I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
free” – Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958



Bob

[F.H.]

Robert McGregor wrote:

> I felt a lot better after researching Bill's depressions and
> co-incidentally finding the same solution to depression that Bill had
> found. The clues, but not (as far as I recall) the solution, are in
> "Pass It On."
>
> “I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
> off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
> upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
> free” – Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958

Blasphemy!!! And from the very top. Sheesh!

[Sharx35]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:42e8decb_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>
>>> "When, in the Big Book, written in 1938, he (Bill Wilson) had
>>> described sobriety as 'a fourth dimension of existence of which we
>>> had not even dreamed,' he had meant it in all sincerity. Now,
>>> scarcely five years later, he was plunged into an abyss of such
>>> bleakness and negativity as to make him suicidal. Bills depressions
>>> lasted for roughly 11 years in all, until 1955, when he was finally
>>> freed of them. .. An awful lot of people believed he was drinking. "
>>> Pass It On p 293.
>>
>> Bill's experiences in sobriety relating to depression made me feel a lot
>> better when I went through that crap several years into the program.
>>
>
> I felt a lot better after researching Bill's depressions and
> co-incidentally finding the same solution to depression that Bill had
> found. The clues, but not (as far as I recall) the solution, are in "Pass
> It On."
>
> "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut off
> these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed, upon any
> set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be free" - Bill Wilson
> AA Grapevine, January 1958
>
>
>
> Bob

Agreed. Excessive dependence upon any person, place or thing can be lethal.
Define excessive? Any dependence which might have lethal results. If you
eliminate people, places and things...you have HP.


>
>

[Sharx35]

"F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Robert McGregor wrote:
>
>> I felt a lot better after researching Bill's depressions and
>> co-incidentally finding the same solution to depression that Bill had
>> found. The clues, but not (as far as I recall) the solution, are in "Pass
>> It On."
>>
>> “I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut off
>> these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed, upon
>> any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be free” – Bill
>> Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958
>
> Blasphemy!!! And from the very top. Sheesh!

BB states that THERE is a proper place and use of the will. It's not the
will, PER SE, that is problematic, it is MISUSE of the will. Or pride.
Pride resulting from, say, a job well done, is okay. FALSE pride is not.

[Ron G]

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> If you eliminate people, places and things...you have HP.
>
>
No. You're have just died.

RonG

[Gregg Fowler]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:00:28 -0500, Sharx35 <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
> Agreed. Excessive dependence upon any person, place or thing can be
> lethal.
> Define excessive? Any dependence which might have lethal results. If you
> eliminate people, places and things...you have HP.
>

Hewlitt Packard?

[F.H.]

Gregg Fowler wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:00:28 -0500, Sharx35 <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Agreed. Excessive dependence upon any person, place or thing can be
>> lethal.
>> Define excessive? Any dependence which might have lethal results. If you
>> eliminate people, places and things...you have HP.
>>
>
> Hewlitt Packard?

Highway Patrol.

[Robert McGregor]

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:42e96643_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:zgdGe.157936$9A2.153557@edtnps89...
>>>
>>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>> message news:42e8decb_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>>
>>>> "When, in the Big Book, written in 1938, he (Bill Wilson) had
>>>> described sobriety as 'a fourth dimension of existence of which
>>>> we
>>>> had not even dreamed,' he had meant it in all sincerity. Now,
>>>> scarcely five years later, he was plunged into an abyss of such
>>>> bleakness and negativity as to make him suicidal. Bills
>>>> depressions
>>>> lasted for roughly 11 years in all, until 1955, when he was
>>>> finally
>>>> freed of them. .. An awful lot of people believed he was
>>>> drinking. "
>>>> Pass It On p 293.
>>>
>>> Bill's experiences in sobriety relating to depression made me
>>> feel a lot better when I went through that crap several years
>>> into the program.
>>>
>>
>> I felt a lot better after researching Bill's depressions and
>> co-incidentally finding the same solution to depression that Bill
>> had found. The clues, but not (as far as I recall) the solution,
>> are in "Pass It On."
>>
>> "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
>> off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA,
>> indeed, upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could
>> I be free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>
> Agreed. Excessive dependence upon any person, place or thing can be
> lethal. Define excessive?

Excessive is adequately defined in the dictionary.

More pertinently, excessive confabulation is exemplified by your
substitution of Bill's "faulty" with your "excessive," apparently in
order to promote excessively faulty dogma.

Bob

>Any dependence which might have lethal results. If you eliminate
>people, places and things...you have HP.
>

[Sharx35]

"Gregg Fowler" <greggfowler@removethiscomcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:00:28 -0500, Sharx35 <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
> Agreed. Excessive dependence upon any person, place or thing can be
> lethal.
> Define excessive? Any dependence which might have lethal results. If you
> eliminate people, places and things...you have HP.
>

Hewlitt Packard?

Economically, Hewlett Packard IS, indeed, a higher power, compared to most
inDUHviduals.

[Philip Demarco]

In article <mbgGe.15860$dM3.3531@trnddc04>, connectu2@verizon.net wrote:


> > Hewlitt Packard?
>
> Highway Patrol.

Harry Potter?

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Philip Demarco
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