Ramblings

[catsruleok]

First the bad news. For various reasons, I have become depressed. My doctor has prescribed
anti-depressants. I'm continuing to suffer from insomnia. When I do eventually get to sleep, I
often have disturbing dreams. I awake up feeling exhausted. I'm m hardly speaking to my husband
and find it difficult to motive myself to do work that I need to do.

Now, the good news. I'm still not drinking.

I live in hope that one day soon, I will start to feel more cheerful and gain some energy.

Last Sunday, I joined in an AA on-line discussion entitled "the benefits of sobriety". The way I
feel right now, I'm finding it hard to believe that I am benefiting
from not drinking.

I'm coming to you guys at this time to implore you to give me good reasons why I should remain
sober and also the strength to do so.

JB

[Robert McGregor]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bgaqfl$mvjiq$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:bgap8k$ukl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> <snip>
>
> > > I'm coming to you guys at this time to implore you to give me good
> > reasons why I should remain
> > > sober and also the strength to do so.
> > >
> > > JB
> > http://silkworth.net/bb/doctorsopinion.html
> >
> > "Men and women drink essentially because they like the affect produced
by
> > alcohol. The sensation is so elusive that, while they admit it is
injurious,
> > they cannot after a time differentiate the true from the false. To them,
> > their alcoholic life seems the only normal one. They are restless,
irritable
> > and discontented, unless they can again experience the sense of ease and
> > comfort which comes at once by taking a few drinks-drinks which they see
> > others taking with impunity. After they have succumbed to the desire
again,
> > as so many people do, and the phenomenon of craving develops, they pass
> > through the well-known stages of a spree, emerging remorseful, with a
firm
> > resolution not to drink again. This is repeated over and over, and
unless
> > this person can experience an entire psychic change there is very little
> > hope of his recovery.
> > On the other hand- and strange as this may seem to those who do not
> > understand-once a psychic change has occurred, the very same person who
> > seemed doomed, who had so many problems he despaired of ever solving
them,
> > suddenly finds himself easily able to control his desire for alcohol,
the
> > only effort necessary being that required to follow a few simple rules.
"
> >
> > If you are indeed a real alcoholic, it's as simple as that.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> Bob,
>
> You have incredible insight. Once again, your response strikes a chord in
me.. Now, in order to
> effect the physic change, would you agree that one of the things I need to
do, is follow the Twelve
> Steps ?
>
> JB
>

Maybe it's more experience of my own alcoholism, than insight, however I
wont reject flattery;-)

When all else had failed, taking the 12 steps, as fearlessly and thoroughly
as I could on the day, worked for me, JB!

The "housekeeping" integral in those steps cleared enough clutter from my
mind to allow me to find and recognise sane options, in all aspects of life;
that I was never before capable of recognising.

Bob

[catsruleok]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bgaqfl$mvjiq$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bgap8k$ukl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
<snip>

> > I'm coming to you guys at this time to implore you to give me good
> reasons why I should remain
> > sober and also the strength to do so.
> >
> > JB
> http://silkworth.net/bb/doctorsopinion.html
>
> "Men and women drink essentially because they like the affect produced by
> alcohol. The sensation is so elusive that, while they admit it is injurious,
> they cannot after a time differentiate the true from the false. To them,
> their alcoholic life seems the only normal one. They are restless, irritable
> and discontented, unless they can again experience the sense of ease and
> comfort which comes at once by taking a few drinks-drinks which they see
> others taking with impunity. After they have succumbed to the desire again,
> as so many people do, and the phenomenon of craving develops, they pass
> through the well-known stages of a spree, emerging remorseful, with a firm
> resolution not to drink again. This is repeated over and over, and unless
> this person can experience an entire psychic change there is very little
> hope of his recovery.
> On the other hand- and strange as this may seem to those who do not
> understand-once a psychic change has occurred, the very same person who
> seemed doomed, who had so many problems he despaired of ever solving them,
> suddenly finds himself easily able to control his desire for alcohol, the
> only effort necessary being that required to follow a few simple rules. "
>
> If you are indeed a real alcoholic, it's as simple as that.
>
> Bob
>
Bob,

You have incredible insight. Once again, your response strikes a chord in me.. Now, in order to
effect the physic change, would you agree that one of the things I need to do, is follow the Twelve
Steps ?

JB

[Bpyboy]

Hi JB.
I remember that I actually made a concious choice to take up SERIOUS drinking
during my freshman year of college. Rather than go see a doctor about
insonmia, I didn't sleep at all (not a freaking wink) for about 6 days. Then,
I started to take some over the counter sleep stuff, and I got a little buzz
from it, but no sleep. Another 2 days went on, and I had a friend of mine (old
enough to buy some hootch for me) get me a 12er of beer. So I whacked it down
and slept for almost the entire day. The girl I was dating at the time didn't
get too upset, we would go to a couple of places where they would serve minors
sometimes, and once in a while get some wine. No big deal really.

But after I "awoke" if you can call it that, the insomnia came back. After
about 5 days of very little sleep, there was more beer, and then some "sleep".
I found my medicine! Well, my friend, it's been a 8 year lost weekend for me.
the sleep didn't really make me rest, and after being dried out and being
HONEST with my doctor, they seem to think that there are classic symptoms of a
deeper psychiatric problem (a bi-polar/general anxiety disorder).

I still don't sleep worth a crap, but i'm not drinking either. and the booze
will only hurt any effort medical science makes to allow you to sleep.

And the booze will kill you deader than sardines my friend. Maybe, (and if you
are not cheating --- which I did for several months while on the anti
depressants and sleep meds--don't do it, the pills and booze will freak you out
really badly), you might have a disorder of some kind? maybe you were self
medicating (I know that I was), maybe you have "white coat syndrome" where the
thought of going to a doctor freaks you out (I still have that--and a terrible
fear of needles)?

stay off the booze. You're doing well with it, don't take that route again.
Maybe you have a real chemical problem with your psyche. If that is the case,
you need to NOT DRINK, I know, i'm the master of weird infomercials at like 3am
when I can't sleep.

Just suck it up, and get to a good doctor. My intenalist was pretty rough with
me, but maybe I just thought so because he was telling me what I already knew?


Maybe your insomnia is related to the booze, maybe you are just an insomniac,
and maybe the booze got you through that for a time? I have never been able to
sleep, and my mom still bitches about my youth, always raiding the fridge,
walking the dog at 2 am......

I really should have seen a doctor then, but my people back in wisconsin are
all german, russian, and polish. Very stoic. Maybe that would have helped me
to avoid this burden, but it's neither here nor there now. I have a problem.
I'm taking action on it.

Just my thoughts, but I know what you mean, the couple of nights a month that
you sleep well enough to have dreams, it's all about medival combat, invading
aliens.... For the love of Bob, I even had one just last night where I had a
little Menage action going on. A couple of really hot women, and I was asleep
thinking "hey, this is ok! RAD (totally into the dream, i suppose I didn't
know the difference that I was asleep), one of them turned her head, and it was
medusa, and I shit you not, I jerked out of bed so fast that my little beagle
flew on the ground. It scared the absolute crap out of me. And sitting there,
sober, freaked out at 3 am is really disorienting for me. (and what did little
Frumpy the dog think? getting her sleeping ass kicked out of bed at 3 am?)

still, i'm not drinking today. the bad dreams, the lack of sleep... are a
whole lot better than tearing up your stomach and liver and brain with booze.
Even if it's disturbing, and you have to think "where in the hell did THAT come
from?", sleep is sleep, and passing out is a whole different thing.

hang in there dude, and go see your dr. about it. Lack of sleep was always my
excuse for going back on the booze. after a couple days, I really didn't care
what was going to happen. That is MY weakness. The nights for me are deadly.

I know insomnia really sucks, I know it as well as anyone, but if you get back
onto the bottle, you're just going to have to put it back down again. It isn't
going to work. so don't do it.

keep us posted my friend
john

[rosie readandpost]

john,
what a WONDERFUL post..............................

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

http://www.costofwar.com
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030731/bs_nm/economy_dc_2





"Bpyboy" <bpyboy@aol.com> wrote in message news:20030731122735.21696.00000918@mb-m07.aol.com...
> Hi JB.
> I remember that I actually made a concious choice to take up SERIOUS drinking
> during my freshman year of college. Rather than go see a doctor about
> insonmia, I didn't sleep at all (not a freaking wink) for about 6 days. Then,
> I started to take some over the counter sleep stuff, and I got a little buzz
> from it, but no sleep. Another 2 days went on, and I had a friend of mine (old
> enough to buy some hootch for me) get me a 12er of beer. So I whacked it down
> and slept for almost the entire day. The girl I was dating at the time didn't
> get too upset, we would go to a couple of places where they would serve minors
> sometimes, and once in a while get some wine. No big deal really.
>
> But after I "awoke" if you can call it that, the insomnia came back. After
> about 5 days of very little sleep, there was more beer, and then some "sleep".
> I found my medicine! Well, my friend, it's been a 8 year lost weekend for me.
> the sleep didn't really make me rest, and after being dried out and being
> HONEST with my doctor, they seem to think that there are classic symptoms of a
> deeper psychiatric problem (a bi-polar/general anxiety disorder).
>
> I still don't sleep worth a crap, but i'm not drinking either. and the booze
> will only hurt any effort medical science makes to allow you to sleep.
>
> And the booze will kill you deader than sardines my friend. Maybe, (and if you
> are not cheating --- which I did for several months while on the anti
> depressants and sleep meds--don't do it, the pills and booze will freak you out
> really badly), you might have a disorder of some kind? maybe you were self
> medicating (I know that I was), maybe you have "white coat syndrome" where the
> thought of going to a doctor freaks you out (I still have that--and a terrible
> fear of needles)?
>
> stay off the booze. You're doing well with it, don't take that route again.
> Maybe you have a real chemical problem with your psyche. If that is the case,
> you need to NOT DRINK, I know, i'm the master of weird infomercials at like 3am
> when I can't sleep.
>
> Just suck it up, and get to a good doctor. My intenalist was pretty rough with
> me, but maybe I just thought so because he was telling me what I already knew?
>
>
> Maybe your insomnia is related to the booze, maybe you are just an insomniac,
> and maybe the booze got you through that for a time? I have never been able to
> sleep, and my mom still bitches about my youth, always raiding the fridge,
> walking the dog at 2 am......
>
> I really should have seen a doctor then, but my people back in wisconsin are
> all german, russian, and polish. Very stoic. Maybe that would have helped me
> to avoid this burden, but it's neither here nor there now. I have a problem.
> I'm taking action on it.
>
> Just my thoughts, but I know what you mean, the couple of nights a month that
> you sleep well enough to have dreams, it's all about medival combat, invading
> aliens.... For the love of Bob, I even had one just last night where I had a
> little Menage action going on. A couple of really hot women, and I was asleep
> thinking "hey, this is ok! RAD (totally into the dream, i suppose I didn't
> know the difference that I was asleep), one of them turned her head, and it was
> medusa, and I shit you not, I jerked out of bed so fast that my little beagle
> flew on the ground. It scared the absolute crap out of me. And sitting there,
> sober, freaked out at 3 am is really disorienting for me. (and what did little
> Frumpy the dog think? getting her sleeping ass kicked out of bed at 3 am?)
>
> still, i'm not drinking today. the bad dreams, the lack of sleep... are a
> whole lot better than tearing up your stomach and liver and brain with booze.
> Even if it's disturbing, and you have to think "where in the hell did THAT come
> from?", sleep is sleep, and passing out is a whole different thing.
>
> hang in there dude, and go see your dr. about it. Lack of sleep was always my
> excuse for going back on the booze. after a couple days, I really didn't care
> what was going to happen. That is MY weakness. The nights for me are deadly.
>
> I know insomnia really sucks, I know it as well as anyone, but if you get back
> onto the bottle, you're just going to have to put it back down again. It isn't
> going to work. so don't do it.
>
> keep us posted my friend
> john

[debs]

Hi
great that you are not drinking.

First things first.......check out with GP that the AD you are using does
not list insomnia as one of the side effects. Sometimes the very symptoms
you describe can be down to the meds.
If the AD can have a tendancy to make you sleepy then check if you can
juggle the dose to take more at night (believe me it can be that simple)
Please do this under GP supervision though.
If you have clinical depression then it can take a few weeks for the meds to
really kick in and all you can do in the mean time is be good to yourself.
When I am in a bipolar depression I try to achieve at least one thing a day
(even if it is very small) then I write it down, pin it on my notice board
and congratualate myself on a step taken.
Reasons to stay sober????? too numerous to list, but the main one is that
you deserve a better life because you matter in this world. You are great
and have so much to offer. Just think of what you contribute to this
group......never mind what you do any other time. Each new person visiting
can read your postings and strive to achieve what you have got so far.
Make your next posting a declaration of how long you have been sober and
that can be what you have achieved today (just in case you haven't got the
energy at the moment to think of anything else)
I am thinking of you and give you warm hugs and best wishes.

Debs

8 1/2 months of sobriety and not regreting a minute of it and wishing
continued success to all my mates on the group

--
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention in
human history, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:bgap8k$ukl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> First the bad news. For various reasons, I have become depressed. My
doctor has prescribed
> anti-depressants. I'm continuing to suffer from insomnia. When I do
eventually get to sleep, I
> often have disturbing dreams. I awake up feeling exhausted. I'm m hardly
speaking to my husband
> and find it difficult to motive myself to do work that I need to do.
>
> Now, the good news. I'm still not drinking.
>
> I live in hope that one day soon, I will start to feel more cheerful and
gain some energy.
>
> Last Sunday, I joined in an AA on-line discussion entitled "the benefits
of sobriety". The way I
> feel right now, I'm finding it hard to believe that I am benefiting
> from not drinking.
>
> I'm coming to you guys at this time to implore you to give me good
reasons why I should remain
> sober and also the strength to do so.
>
> JB
>
>

[Blue Moon]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:29 +0100, "catsruleok"
<catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>First the bad news. For various reasons, I have become depressed.

Alcohol does that. But it only really becomes apparent when you try
to stop drinking.

> My doctor has prescribed
>anti-depressants. I'm continuing to suffer from insomnia. When I do eventually get to sleep, I
>often have disturbing dreams.

That's pretty normal. It should gradually get better. Try avoiding
caffeine, and a cup of warm milk with honey. Also a good book is
handy. When I was unable to sleep at night, I would give up trying
and get up instead ... do the dishes I'd left from the night before,
and plug my ears into one of the many AA share tapes/CDs/files that
are available. Comedy videos/DVDs were good for lightening the mood.
Also a good moonlit walk can work wonders.

> I awake up feeling exhausted. I'm m hardly speaking to my husband
>and find it difficult to motive myself to do work that I need to do.

Again I'd say that's pretty normal. Certainly reflects my own
experience. It passes - just not as quickly as I'd like it to,
damnit!!

>Now, the good news. I'm still not drinking.

Cool! Now you know you can handle negative stuff without drinking on
it. Build on that, and give yourself a little treat.

>I live in hope that one day soon, I will start to feel more cheerful and gain some energy.

Curiously, and to Rosie's utter dismay, I found that my mind became
more befogged and depressed whilst I was on antidepressants. I
couldn't appreciate to what extent until after I weaned off them.
They can be dangerously addictive, despite what the medics claim
(loads of horror stories about all the popular "non-addictive" brands,
like prozac, paxil, etc.).

>Last Sunday, I joined in an AA on-line discussion entitled "the benefits of sobriety". The way I
>feel right now, I'm finding it hard to believe that I am benefiting
>from not drinking.

Indeed. In time, you will. "This too shall pass" hasn't failed me
yet.

>I'm coming to you guys at this time to implore you to give me good reasons why I should remain
>sober and also the strength to do so.

Why not take a look in the mirror? If you like what you see, why lose
it? If you don't, would booze really make it any better?

I once had a crisis in sobriety - a strong desire to drink ... the
return of insanity. I talked myself out of it....

Does it matter if I drink? If yes, then surely I shouldn't drink. If
no, then I surely have no NEED to drink. Either way, there's no need
to drink, so just today I won't drink.

Almost instantly, sanity returned. It was like waking from a mental
haze. "What the... ???"

--
Blue Moon

[Cartman]

Rosie.....What is the meaning of the 2 URL's at the bottom of your signature
block?

- Cartman

"rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zubWa.64247$6a3.1520721@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> john,
> what a WONDERFUL post..............................
>
> --
> read and post daily, it works!
> rosie
>
> http://www.costofwar.com
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030731/bs_nm/economy_dc_
2
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bpyboy" <bpyboy@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030731122735.21696.00000918@mb-m07.aol.com...
> > Hi JB.
> > I remember that I actually made a concious choice to take up SERIOUS
drinking
> > during my freshman year of college. Rather than go see a doctor about
> > insonmia, I didn't sleep at all (not a freaking wink) for about 6 days.
Then,
> > I started to take some over the counter sleep stuff, and I got a little
buzz
> > from it, but no sleep. Another 2 days went on, and I had a friend of
mine (old
> > enough to buy some hootch for me) get me a 12er of beer. So I whacked
it down
> > and slept for almost the entire day. The girl I was dating at the time
didn't
> > get too upset, we would go to a couple of places where they would serve
minors
> > sometimes, and once in a while get some wine. No big deal really.
> >
> > But after I "awoke" if you can call it that, the insomnia came back.
After
> > about 5 days of very little sleep, there was more beer, and then some
"sleep".
> > I found my medicine! Well, my friend, it's been a 8 year lost weekend
for me.
> > the sleep didn't really make me rest, and after being dried out and
being
> > HONEST with my doctor, they seem to think that there are classic
symptoms of a
> > deeper psychiatric problem (a bi-polar/general anxiety disorder).
> >
> > I still don't sleep worth a crap, but i'm not drinking either. and the
booze
> > will only hurt any effort medical science makes to allow you to sleep.
> >
> > And the booze will kill you deader than sardines my friend. Maybe, (and
if you
> > are not cheating --- which I did for several months while on the anti
> > depressants and sleep meds--don't do it, the pills and booze will freak
you out
> > really badly), you might have a disorder of some kind? maybe you were
self
> > medicating (I know that I was), maybe you have "white coat syndrome"
where the
> > thought of going to a doctor freaks you out (I still have that--and a
terrible
> > fear of needles)?
> >
> > stay off the booze. You're doing well with it, don't take that route
again.
> > Maybe you have a real chemical problem with your psyche. If that is the
case,
> > you need to NOT DRINK, I know, i'm the master of weird infomercials at
like 3am
> > when I can't sleep.
> >
> > Just suck it up, and get to a good doctor. My intenalist was pretty
rough with
> > me, but maybe I just thought so because he was telling me what I already
knew?
> >
> >
> > Maybe your insomnia is related to the booze, maybe you are just an
insomniac,
> > and maybe the booze got you through that for a time? I have never been
able to
> > sleep, and my mom still bitches about my youth, always raiding the
fridge,
> > walking the dog at 2 am......
> >
> > I really should have seen a doctor then, but my people back in wisconsin
are
> > all german, russian, and polish. Very stoic. Maybe that would have
helped me
> > to avoid this burden, but it's neither here nor there now. I have a
problem.
> > I'm taking action on it.
> >
> > Just my thoughts, but I know what you mean, the couple of nights a month
that
> > you sleep well enough to have dreams, it's all about medival combat,
invading
> > aliens.... For the love of Bob, I even had one just last night where
I had a
> > little Menage action going on. A couple of really hot women, and I was
asleep
> > thinking "hey, this is ok! RAD (totally into the dream, i suppose I
didn't
> > know the difference that I was asleep), one of them turned her head, and
it was
> > medusa, and I shit you not, I jerked out of bed so fast that my little
beagle
> > flew on the ground. It scared the absolute crap out of me. And sitting
there,
> > sober, freaked out at 3 am is really disorienting for me. (and what did
little
> > Frumpy the dog think? getting her sleeping ass kicked out of bed at 3
am?)
> >
> > still, i'm not drinking today. the bad dreams, the lack of sleep... are
a
> > whole lot better than tearing up your stomach and liver and brain with
booze.
> > Even if it's disturbing, and you have to think "where in the hell did
THAT come
> > from?", sleep is sleep, and passing out is a whole different thing.
> >
> > hang in there dude, and go see your dr. about it. Lack of sleep was
always my
> > excuse for going back on the booze. after a couple days, I really
didn't care
> > what was going to happen. That is MY weakness. The nights for me are
deadly.
> >
> > I know insomnia really sucks, I know it as well as anyone, but if you
get back
> > onto the bottle, you're just going to have to put it back down again.
It isn't
> > going to work. so don't do it.
> >
> > keep us posted my friend
> > john
>
>

[Gregg Fowler]

Its not in code. Just some factual information I would guess. Why do we
second guess facts and believe lies?


"Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZcWcnR5M-IYJcLSiRTvUqA@speakeasy.net...
> Rosie.....What is the meaning of the 2 URL's at the bottom of your
signature
> block?
>
> - Cartman
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:zubWa.64247$6a3.1520721@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > john,
> > what a WONDERFUL post..............................
> >
> > --
> > read and post daily, it works!
> > rosie
> >
> > http://www.costofwar.com
> >
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030731/bs_nm/economy_dc_
> 2

[Robert McGregor]

Greg, given you are the one doing the guessing, why can't you provide the
answer?

Bob

"Gregg Fowler" <gregg_fowler@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:38mdnV7106tIcrSiU-KYuQ@comcast.com...
> Its not in code. Just some factual information I would guess. Why do we
> second guess facts and believe lies?
>
>
> "Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZcWcnR5M-IYJcLSiRTvUqA@speakeasy.net...
> > Rosie.....What is the meaning of the 2 URL's at the bottom of your
> signature
> > block?
> >
> > - Cartman
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:zubWa.64247$6a3.1520721@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > john,
> > > what a WONDERFUL post..............................
> > >
> > > --
> > > read and post daily, it works!
> > > rosie
> > >
> > > http://www.costofwar.com
> > >
> >
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030731/bs_nm/economy_dc_
> > 2
>
>

[rosie readandpost]

> So, from today I'm making a small change in my
> lifestyle which I hope will lead to significant improvements in my mood, energy levels and ability
> to sleep. I'm going to cut out drinks that contain caffeine. I'm also going to embark on a 10 day
> detox programme. In time, maybe, I'll be able to stop taking the AD's I'll keep you posted on
> what happens


JB,
i hope that you will being doing all these changes WITH the help of your physician?
don't take any risks, go slow, and stay close!

rosie

[rosie readandpost]

> Curiously, and to Rosie's utter dismay, I found that my mind became
> more befogged and depressed whilst I was on antidepressants.


dismay?
absolutely not BM!

working with your prescribing physician is what i advise!
if you DON'T NEED or are prescribed the WRONG ANTIDEPRESSANT (having negative reactions) that is between you and your
physician.

perhaps your depression was situational in nature and all you had to do was dry out, and sober up!
(again, a decision between you and your doctor.)

must you turn EVERY thread into an editorial about you?

[rosie readandpost]

> Does it matter if I drink? If yes, then surely I shouldn't drink. If
> no, then I surely have no NEED to drink. Either way, there's no need
> to drink, so just today I won't drink.
>
>

living ONE DAY AT A TIME, got many of us through "cravings to drink".....................
learning that addiction and OBSESSION are two different things, was a "turning point" for me.
stay sober long enough, to learn the difference, and the MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN!

thanks for being here JB!

rosie

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HPuWa.65911$6a3.1639286@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > Curiously, and to Rosie's utter dismay, I found that my mind became
> > more befogged and depressed whilst I was on antidepressants.
>
>
> dismay?
> absolutely not BM!
>
> working with your prescribing physician is what i advise!
> if you DON'T NEED or are prescribed the WRONG ANTIDEPRESSANT (having
negative reactions) that is between you and your
> physician.
>
> perhaps your depression was situational in nature and all you had to do
was dry out, and sober up!
> (again, a decision between you and your doctor.)
>
> must you turn EVERY thread into an editorial about you?

Do what you say, not what you do, eh popandpost?


"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
news:MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my experience, strength
and hope and to remind those who come, that
> these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that can be
found in AA and other support groups!



Bob

[Michael Rapp]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:29 +0100, "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>First the bad news. For various reasons, I have become depressed. My doctor has prescribed
>anti-depressants. I'm continuing to suffer from insomnia. When I do eventually get to sleep, I
>often have disturbing dreams. I awake up feeling exhausted. I'm m hardly speaking to my husband
>and find it difficult to motive myself to do work that I need to do.
>
>Now, the good news. I'm still not drinking.
>
>I live in hope that one day soon, I will start to feel more cheerful and gain some energy.
>
>Last Sunday, I joined in an AA on-line discussion entitled "the benefits of sobriety". The way I
>feel right now, I'm finding it hard to believe that I am benefiting
>from not drinking.
>
>I'm coming to you guys at this time to implore you to give me good reasons why I should remain
>sober and also the strength to do so.
>
>JB
>-------------------------
Hi JB,
my sister and I both suffer from insomnia. She found a md who perscribed her
(curiously enough) iodine pills. She says in some regions the local food lacks
iodine and that causes some glandular unballance which in turn lead to insomnia.
My guess would be to give iodine a try since it is absolutely harmless.
If it don't work, fine, too.
I myself use valerian on a very few occasions, a good tea (peppermint or any
other herbal tea, no black tea) and a long walk before I go th bed. I turned
going to bed into a kind of ritual, lasting about 20 minutes, jus' me and the
cup of tea, no smoking, watching tv, radio, or anything else. Just me and my
thoughts, to tune my mind into the thought of night.
That works often enough for me.
Best,
Mike.

[rosie readandpost]

> Indeed. Unfortunately he wanted me to stay on them despite them
> clearly not working. Fortunately I didn't heed that advice.
>


didn't heed that advise?
did you then find a doctor that you CAN work with?
one who's judgment you trust?

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:32:22 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Curiously, and to Rosie's utter dismay, I found that my mind became
>> more befogged and depressed whilst I was on antidepressants.
>
>dismay?
>absolutely not BM!

Okay :)

>working with your prescribing physician is what i advise!
> if you DON'T NEED or are prescribed the WRONG ANTIDEPRESSANT (having negative reactions) that is between you and your
>physician.

Indeed. Unfortunately he wanted me to stay on them despite them
clearly not working. Fortunately I didn't heed that advice.

>perhaps your depression was situational in nature and all you had to do was dry out, and sober up!
>(again, a decision between you and your doctor.)

Quite probably.

>must you turn EVERY thread into an editorial about you?

Given that I'm supposed to be sharing my own experience, strength and
hope, how else can it be?

--
Blue Moon

[rosie readandpost]

> >didn't heed that advise?
> >did you then find a doctor that you CAN work with?
> >one who's judgment you trust?



>
> No I didn't waste my time and energy on such a futile quest.............



you went to medical school instead?
:)

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:39:24 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Indeed. Unfortunately he wanted me to stay on them despite them
>> clearly not working. Fortunately I didn't heed that advice.
>
>didn't heed that advise?
>did you then find a doctor that you CAN work with?
>one who's judgment you trust?

No I didn't waste my time and energy on such a futile quest, I simply
did what I needed to do. Given that I was working to recover from
addiction, I did not need to develop any further drug dependency.

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:p4DWa.53526$7O4.1207782@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > >didn't heed that advise?
> > >did you then find a doctor that you CAN work with?
> > >one who's judgment you trust?
>
>
>
> >
> > No I didn't waste my time and energy on such a futile quest.............
>
>
>
> you went to medical school instead?
> :)
>

http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar02/placebo.html

"Patients who responded to placebo showed increased activity in the brain's
prefrontal cortex, while those who responded to medication showed suppressed
activity in the area. "

You claim to be an Addiction Councillor, Rosie. Spose with your supressed
brain it's more than a tad difficult healing yourself first; before you mess
with the minds of others.

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> i will never be recovered..............................

[Cartman]

Rosie:

Are you using gregg's computer? You forgot to change your screen name......

Not to be rude, Gregg but.....I was asking Rosie.

- Cartman

"Gregg Fowler" <gregg_fowler@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:38mdnV7106tIcrSiU-KYuQ@comcast.com...
> Its not in code. Just some factual information I would guess. Why do we
> second guess facts and believe lies?
>
>
> "Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZcWcnR5M-IYJcLSiRTvUqA@speakeasy.net...
> > Rosie.....What is the meaning of the 2 URL's at the bottom of your
> signature
> > block?
> >
> > - Cartman
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:zubWa.64247$6a3.1520721@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > john,
> > > what a WONDERFUL post..............................
> > >
> > > --
> > > read and post daily, it works!
> > > rosie
> > >
> > > http://www.costofwar.com
> > >
> >
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030731/bs_nm/economy_dc_
> > 2
>
>

[Gregg Fowler]

Not to be rude, but it was a public reply. That's why you can email people
privately from the newsgroup if you only mean it for an individual. :-)

Gregg

"Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FsacnbpK-8q02raiU-KYvw@speakeasy.net...
> Rosie:
>
> Are you using gregg's computer? You forgot to change your screen
name......
>
> Not to be rude, Gregg but.....I was asking Rosie.
>
> - Cartman
>
> "Gregg Fowler" <gregg_fowler@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:38mdnV7106tIcrSiU-KYuQ@comcast.com...
> > Its not in code. Just some factual information I would guess. Why do we
> > second guess facts and believe lies?
> >
> >
> > "Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZcWcnR5M-IYJcLSiRTvUqA@speakeasy.net...
> > > Rosie.....What is the meaning of the 2 URL's at the bottom of your
> > signature
> > > block?
> > >
> > > - Cartman
> > >
> > > "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:zubWa.64247$6a3.1520721@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > john,
> > > > what a WONDERFUL post..............................
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > read and post daily, it works!
> > > > rosie
> > > >
> > > > http://www.costofwar.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030731/bs_nm/economy_dc_
> > > 2
> >
> >
>
>