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[rosie read n' post]

From "Statement on alcoholism:"

"The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
sociological components and recognizes medicine's
responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
individualized and comprehensive manner."
-- American Medical Association, 1971

c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
(A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
************************************************** ***********


--

[Gregg]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>
> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
> individualized and comprehensive manner."
> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>
> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
> ************************************************** ***********
>

I think that one of the most overlooked facts is that it is not just whether
a person is alcoholic or not, but looking closer as to type or
distinguishing characteristics of the individual. The most obvious
differences in types are the type that becomes an alcoholic over years of
drinking and the person that is alcoholic upon drinking their first drink.
Sometimes people that have a harder time "getting it" are looked upon as not
trying as hard or doing it wrong or in the case of AA "not completely giving
themselves" or being "constitutionally incapable". Fact is that some have a
harder time than others, because their condition is different to begin with.
I think the biggest service that we can do for ourselves and others is to
remain vigilant. If we seem to have a harder time than others, do not give
up. Keep looking for other answers if we keep doing things one way and we
are still having problems. Remind others that are having a hard time that
the important thing is just not to give up. Another thing to remind others
is that abstinence is the only answer for the vast majority. The moderation
idea is at a minimum more trouble that its worth and at a maximum deadly.
The biggest thing we can do for ourselves and others that are having a hard
time is that there is no one way or right way to stay sober. The important
thing is to find a way and never quit trying.

[Robert McGregor]

"Gregg" <totfitNOSPAM@myway.com> wrote in message
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>Sometimes people that have a
> harder time "getting it" are looked upon as not trying as hard or
> doing it wrong or in the case of AA "not completely giving
> themselves" or being "constitutionally incapable".

>Keep looking for
> other answers if we keep doing things one way and we are still
> having problems.

So if they are looked at as "doing it wrong" they may indeed be doing
it wrong.


>Another thing to
> remind others is that abstinence is the only answer for the vast
> majority.

Vast majority of whom? What evidence can you provide for your claim?

I do believe that with power of auto suggestion, AA (and treatment
centres) creates more "alcoholics" than are healed, but I don't have
resources to prove that hypothesis. I do know that by applying the AA
criteria, "Meeting Makers Make It" to AA's own statistics, AA has a
tragic track record of failure to attract.

I also know that since I stopped boasting about sobriety, I keep
coming into contact with people that would have fitted most if not
all concepts of being alcoholic, yet have grown up, and said, "enough
is enough," quit completely, or truly moderated. While I was still
bragging about being sober, those types, and/or their friends, could
not be bothered pissing on my parade.

>The moderation idea is at a minimum more trouble that
> its worth and at a maximum deadly.

Really? So all are the same, after all?

>The biggest thing we can do for
> ourselves and others that are having a hard time is that there is
> no one way or right way to stay sober. The important thing is to
> find a way and never quit trying.

Trying to stop drinking is not stopping. Stopping is stopping.
Trying, it's just trying.

Bob

[wozza]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>
> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
> individualized and comprehensive manner."
> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>
> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22

This is an interesting article talking about the different ways in which
alcohol can affect people.
http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html

It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a one-size-fits-all
solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.

[Robert McGregor]

"wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:viaze.10741$hV5.6775@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>>
>> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
>> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
>> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
>> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
>> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
>> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
>> individualized and comprehensive manner."
>> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>>
>> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
>> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
>> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
>
> This is an interesting article talking about the different ways in
> which alcohol can affect people.
> http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html
>
> It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a
> one-size-fits-all solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.


Not only were you ignoring your score, you ignored reading Wilson's
text too?

Bob
http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_20.htm "Moderate drinkers have little
trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it.
They can take it or leave it alone. Then we have a certain type of
hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair
.... " " .... If a sufficiently strong reason - ill health, falling in
love, change of environment, or the warning of a doctor - becomes
operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find
it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention."

[wozza]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42ce653a$0$20855$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u
>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:viaze.10741$hV5.6775@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>>>
>>> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
>>> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
>>> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
>>> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
>>> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
>>> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
>>> individualized and comprehensive manner."
>>> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>>>
>>> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
>>> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
>>> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
>>
>> This is an interesting article talking about the different ways in
>> which alcohol can affect people.
>> http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html
>>
>> It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a
>> one-size-fits-all solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.
>
>
> Not only were you ignoring your score, you ignored reading Wilson's text
> too?
>
> Bob
> http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_20.htm "Moderate drinkers have little trouble
> in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it. They can
> take it or leave it alone. Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He
> may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair ... " " .... If a
> sufficiently strong reason - ill health, falling in love, change of
> environment, or the warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can
> also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome
> and may even need medical attention."

I've go no idea what you mean about "ignoring your score", but anyway,
Wilson is talking about moderate drinkers, which doesn't interest me very
much, I'm interested in alcoholics. (and what would Wilson know about
moderate drinkers anyway?). Silkworth's opinion is that "there are types
entirely normal in every respect except in the effect alcohol has upon them"
(p.xxviii of the Doctor's opinion")

I get passionate because I've spent well over 15 years in AA trying to do
Wilson's steps, with no result that was remotely close to the 12 so-called
promises. Since I realised I was one of Silkworth's normal people, and that
the effect of alcohol could be explained by the types Larson identifies (in
my previously posted link), then I started to live my life.

I felt sorry for a lady in the meeting the other week. She said she thought
she was pretty normal when she came into AA. At about two years sober, she
realised how mad she was. I didn't have the heart to point out that two
years of AA meetings every night and Wilson's steps probably made her that
way.

[Robert McGregor]

"wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:42ce8c7b_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:42ce653a$0$20855$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u
>>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:viaze.10741$hV5.6775@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>>>>
>>>> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
>>>> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
>>>> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
>>>> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
>>>> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
>>>> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
>>>> individualized and comprehensive manner."
>>>> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>>>>
>>>> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
>>>> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
>>>> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
>>>
>>> This is an interesting article talking about the different ways
>>> in which alcohol can affect people.
>>> http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html
>>>
>>> It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a
>>> one-size-fits-all solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.
>>
>>
>> Not only were you ignoring your score, you ignored reading
>> Wilson's text too?
>>
>> Bob
>> http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_20.htm "Moderate drinkers have
>> little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good
>> reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone. Then we have a
>> certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough
>> to gradually impair ... " " .... If a sufficiently strong reason
>> - ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the
>> warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can also stop
>> or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome
>> and may even need medical attention."
>
> I've go no idea what you mean about "ignoring your score",

I'm not astounded that you go no idea. In this respect, the pertinent
score is a musical score. You were *already* blowing your trumpet
*before* asking me which score, next door in arfers. Must admit, I
did suspect your unchained melody vaguely resembled that old time AA
favourite, "Rule Sixty Two"

>but
> anyway, Wilson is talking about moderate drinkers,

Really? Why would moderate drinkers be deliberately designated hard
drinkers, who possibly need medical attention merely to stop drinking
or even become moderate drinkers?

>which doesn't
> interest me very much, I'm interested in alcoholics. (and what
> would Wilson know about moderate drinkers anyway?).

(Obviously Wilson knew, even back then, a tad more than you have
demonstrated here)

>Silkworth's
> opinion is that "there are types entirely normal in every respect
> except in the effect alcohol has upon them" (p.xxviii of the
> Doctor's opinion")

Maybe if you had read just a little bit more than Silkworth's
opinion, you would have not abandoned 15 years of your life. However
your inability to even comprehend this page,

>> - ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the
>> warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can also stop
>> or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome
>> and may even need medical attention."

before blowing your trumpet once again, is hardly an indicator of
entirely normal comprehension.

>
> I get passionate because I've spent well over 15 years in AA
> trying to do Wilson's steps, with no result that was remotely
> close to the 12 so-called promises. Since I realised I was one of
> Silkworth's normal people, and that the effect of alcohol could be
> explained by the types Larson identifies (in my previously posted
> link), then I started to live my life.

Far out. *Trying* to do Wilson's steps, that you did not need to do,
without even living your life, for well over 15 years, .....
indicates you are a normal person?

You didn't learn, in 15 years, that trying is *not* doing?

You expected the 12 promises without ever, in 15 years, reading
qualifiers pertaining to the promises?

Hahahaaaa, Wozza. You're normal alright,

wink wink.

Bob

[wozza]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42d1109f$0$9731$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:42ce8c7b_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42ce653a$0$20855$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u
>>>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:viaze.10741$hV5.6775@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>>>>>
>>>>> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
>>>>> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
>>>>> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
>>>>> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
>>>>> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
>>>>> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
>>>>> individualized and comprehensive manner."
>>>>> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>>>>>
>>>>> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
>>>>> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
>>>>> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
>>>>
>>>> This is an interesting article talking about the different ways
>>>> in which alcohol can affect people.
>>>> http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html
>>>>
>>>> It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a
>>>> one-size-fits-all solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not only were you ignoring your score, you ignored reading
>>> Wilson's text too?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_20.htm "Moderate drinkers have
>>> little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good
>>> reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone. Then we have a
>>> certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough
>>> to gradually impair ... " " .... If a sufficiently strong reason
>>> - ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the
>>> warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can also stop
>>> or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome
>>> and may even need medical attention."
>>
>> I've go no idea what you mean about "ignoring your score",
>
> I'm not astounded that you go no idea. In this respect, the pertinent
> score is a musical score. You were *already* blowing your trumpet
> *before* asking me which score, next door in arfers. Must admit, I
> did suspect your unchained melody vaguely resembled that old time AA
> favourite, "Rule Sixty Two"

I've still got no idea what you are talking about. Care to clarify?


>>but
>> anyway, Wilson is talking about moderate drinkers,
>
> Really? Why would moderate drinkers be deliberately designated hard
> drinkers, who possibly need medical attention merely to stop drinking
> or even become moderate drinkers?

Point taken. Let me rephrase that. You quote Wilson talking about moderate
drinkers and certain type of hard drinkers, which doesn't interest me very
much.

>>which doesn't
>> interest me very much, I'm interested in alcoholics. (and what
>> would Wilson know about moderate drinkers anyway?).
>
> (Obviously Wilson knew, even back then, a tad more than you have
> demonstrated here)

Why? Why should he be an expert? Is he a doctor? A psychologist? A
sociologist? What qualifies him to expound on other people's drinking
habits.

>>Silkworth's
>> opinion is that "there are types entirely normal in every respect
>> except in the effect alcohol has upon them" (p.xxviii of the
>> Doctor's opinion")
>
> Maybe if you had read just a little bit more than Silkworth's
> opinion, you would have not abandoned 15 years of your life. However
> your inability to even comprehend this page,

I understand it fine. There is an attempt to classify alcoholics. We get a
potted summary because of the compexity of the task, and we are told in
spite of a classification scheme, what counts is the thing they have in
common, "the cannot start drinking without developing the phenomenon of
craving". If you think I've missed something important, please let me know.

>>> - ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the
>>> warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can also stop
>>> or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome
>>> and may even need medical attention."
>
> before blowing your trumpet once again, is hardly an indicator of
> entirely normal comprehension.
>
>>
>> I get passionate because I've spent well over 15 years in AA
>> trying to do Wilson's steps, with no result that was remotely
>> close to the 12 so-called promises. Since I realised I was one of
>> Silkworth's normal people, and that the effect of alcohol could be
>> explained by the types Larson identifies (in my previously posted
>> link), then I started to live my life.
>
> Far out. *Trying* to do Wilson's steps, that you did not need to do,
> without even living your life, for well over 15 years, ..... indicates you
> are a normal person?
>
> You didn't learn, in 15 years, that trying is *not* doing?

I tried it, I did it. You're playing a word game here. I'll rephrase. I
spent well over 15 years doing Wilson's steps, with no result that was
remotely close to the 12 so-called promises. The 15 years is a testament to
my passionate desire to stop drinking.


> You expected the 12 promises without ever, in 15 years, reading
> qualifiers pertaining to the promises?

No, I read it many, many times. "If we are painstaking about this phase of
our development." I was painstaking. So were many others I have spoken with.
"Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly... They will always materialise if we
work for them". Or you could do what Wilson did, spend 10 years in deep
depression waiting for them to materialise. Sorry, life's too short.

> Hahahaaaa, Wozza. You're normal alright,
>
> wink wink.
>
> Bob

Thank's Bob, but I don't need your diagnosis of what is normal. A
psychiatrist I once consulted assured me I wasn't mentally ill. That's good
enough for me. Is there something wrong with your eye?

[Robert McGregor]

"wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:42d13079_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:42d1109f$0$9731$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au
>>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>> message news:42ce8c7b_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:42ce653a$0$20855$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u
>>>>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:viaze.10741$hV5.6775@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
>>>>>> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
>>>>>> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
>>>>>> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
>>>>>> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
>>>>>> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
>>>>>> individualized and comprehensive manner."
>>>>>> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
>>>>>> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
>>>>>> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an interesting article talking about the different ways
>>>>> in which alcohol can affect people.
>>>>> http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a
>>>>> one-size-fits-all solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not only were you ignoring your score, you ignored reading
>>>> Wilson's text too?
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_20.htm "Moderate drinkers have
>>>> little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good
>>>> reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone. Then we have
>>>> a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly
>>>> enough to gradually impair ... " " .... If a sufficiently
>>>> strong reason - ill health, falling in love, change of
>>>> environment, or the warning of a doctor - becomes operative,
>>>> this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it
>>>> difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention."
>>>
>>> I've go no idea what you mean about "ignoring your score",
>>
>> I'm not astounded that you go no idea. In this respect, the
>> pertinent score is a musical score. You were *already* blowing
>> your trumpet *before* asking me which score, next door in arfers.
>> Must admit, I did suspect your unchained melody vaguely resembled
>> that old time
>> AA favourite, "Rule Sixty Two"
>
> I've still got no idea what you are talking about. Care to clarify?
>
>

Nah, even to me now, it's obviously way too far over your head.

Bob

[stuart]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42d3bb4c$0$16276$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:42d13079_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42d1109f$0$9731$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au
>>>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickersyahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>>> message news:42ce8c7b_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>>> "wozza" <wozza96@_NO_SPAM_yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:42ce653a$0$20855$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u
>>>>>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:viaze.10741$hV5.6775@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>>> From "Statement on alcoholism:"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The American Medical Association identifies alcoholism
>>>>>>> as a complex disease with biological, psychological and
>>>>>>> sociological components and recognizes medicine's
>>>>>>> responsibility in behalf of affected persons. The Association
>>>>>>> recognizes that there are multiple forms of alcoholism, and
>>>>>>> that each patient should be evaluated and treated in an
>>>>>>> individualized and comprehensive manner."
>>>>>>> -- American Medical Association, 1971
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c. Three Talks to Medical Societies by Bill W.,
>>>>>>> co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous
>>>>>>> (A.A. Pamphlet P-6), page 22
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an interesting article talking about the different ways
>>>>>> in which alcohol can affect people.
>>>>>> http://204.147.80.67/%7Ebrecovery/The_Difference_In_Drinkers.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It all means that it doesn't make sense to apply a
>>>>>> one-size-fits-all solution such as Bill Wilson's steps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only were you ignoring your score, you ignored reading
>>>>> Wilson's text too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_20.htm "Moderate drinkers have
>>>>> little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good
>>>>> reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone. Then we have
>>>>> a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly
>>>>> enough to gradually impair ... " " .... If a sufficiently
>>>>> strong reason - ill health, falling in love, change of
>>>>> environment, or the warning of a doctor - becomes operative,
>>>>> this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it
>>>>> difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention."
>>>>
>>>> I've go no idea what you mean about "ignoring your score",
>>>
>>> I'm not astounded that you go no idea. In this respect, the
>>> pertinent score is a musical score. You were *already* blowing
>>> your trumpet *before* asking me which score, next door in arfers.
>>> Must admit, I did suspect your unchained melody vaguely resembled that
>>> old time
>>> AA favourite, "Rule Sixty Two"
>>
>> I've still got no idea what you are talking about. Care to clarify?
>>
>>
>
> Nah, even to me now, it's obviously way too far over your head.
>
> Bob

Seems to me you tell a lot of other people that what you say is "way too far
over their head", Bob.
Care to clarify?

[Robert McGregor]

"stuart" <ggo@feds.org> wrote in message
news:F%QAe.106825$HI.23511@edtnps84

>
> Seems to me you tell a lot of other people that what you say is
> "way too far over their head", Bob.
> Care to clarify?

How things seem to one or more of the Stuartsockpuppets is your
problem/s, certainly not mine.

If that's way too far over your heads, pull them out of your arse :)

Bob

stuart wrote:
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>
> Ten of us share the same email and usenet identity,

[stuart]

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> "stuart" <ggo@feds.org> wrote in message
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>> Seems to me you tell a lot of other people that what you say is
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>> Care to clarify?
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> How things seem to one or more of the Stuartsockpuppets is your
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> If that's way too far over your heads, pull them out of your arse :)
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> Bob


Yer a hoot Bob...


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