Trying again.....

[John Smith]

Hello again,

After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering and
i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...

This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!

I'll be back!!!

B

:)

[rosie read n' post]

yes, john.................it IS a hard lesson indeed, and i consider you
lucky, to again have a choice for sobriety.
not all of us get one you know!

((((((((john))))))))))))

--
rosie
http://www.codepinkalert.org/



"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:j0cae.1269$Y46.739@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Hello again,
>
> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering
and
> i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>
> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>
> I'll be back!!!
>
> B
>
> :)
>
>

[NutSoFast@hotmail.com]

On 22-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering and
>
> i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>
> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>
> I'll be back!!!

What are you gonna do different this time??

--
NutSo

[John Smith]

<NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:b1eae.64$Bb.39@okepread06...
>
> On 22-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering
>> and
>>
>> i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>>
>> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>>
>> I'll be back!!!
>
> What are you gonna do different this time??
>
> --
> NutSo

Play nice NutSo.... I think what went wrong last time was starting to drink
again lol

[NutSoFast@hotmail.com]

On 22-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote:

> Play nice NutSo.... I think what went wrong last time was starting to
> drink
> again lol

Sorry. I wasn't trying to be a jerk... just direct.

What I meant is (stop me if you've heard this one)
"If you keep doing same things over and over
you'll keep getting the same results."

That's all. And hey, not drinking... it's a
wonderful start!! :D

--
NutSo

[John Smith]

<NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:akeae.68$Bb.43@okepread06...
>
> On 22-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Play nice NutSo.... I think what went wrong last time was starting to
>> drink
>> again lol
>
> Sorry. I wasn't trying to be a jerk... just direct.
>
> What I meant is (stop me if you've heard this one)
> "If you keep doing same things over and over
> you'll keep getting the same results."
>
> That's all. And hey, not drinking... it's a
> wonderful start!! :D
>
> --
> NutSo

Fair enough....i don't know what i'm going to do to be honest.... what i do
know is it has to be done....

Easy huh

[Sheenah]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:TIeae.1320$Y46.767@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>
> <NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:akeae.68$Bb.43@okepread06...


> > That's all. And hey, not drinking... it's a
> > wonderful start!! :D
> >
> > --
> > NutSo
>
> Fair enough....i don't know what i'm going to do to be honest.... what
i do
> know is it has to be done....
>
> Easy huh
>
Why does it have to be done ? It's so much easier to keep on drinking
than it is to quit and stay quit.

In a book that covers the subject of recovery from alcoholism, it is
suggested that " Those do not recover are people who cannot or will not
completely give themselves to this simple programme, usually men and
women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with
themselves".

If you think there's truth in this suggestion, maybe you'll benefit from
first giving thought to whether you want to quit drinking or simply
drink less than you do now.

If you cannot stay in control of your drinking while you are drinking,
you might also give thought to why this might be.

Sheenah

I do not know whether or not

that "Those hwo do not recvoer ise whoN aI have come to believe that
the bets chance AfteWhen I quit drinking in 2003 I came to believe that
inge Maybe chainging the first step tpwards chanigonly alcohAlcholics
being honest wqithAr this pointH


ON lif it easier to cope with life oer to cope with life while drinking
;t life much more difficult to cfope with yt ;'

[Robert McGregor]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:j0cae.1269$Y46.739@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Hello again,
>
> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of
> beering and i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>
> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>
From: "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <rBKZd.22975$3A6.21267@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>
>>Why should i listen to AA preaching... "Get a sponsor", "Do the
>>steps", yada yada

Simply by actually taking the 12 steps from A.A.,
http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm I learned, for the first time
ever, how to avoid repeating numerous hard lessons. I did endure lots
of the A.Aers preaching though, when I wasn't actually preaching
myself.

Plus, I learned how to stay stopped from drinking too.


Bob

[rosie read n' post]

>....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
> than it is to quit and stay quit.
>

it is?
i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i was
experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was ABSOLUTE
HELL!
none of my recovery has EVER been that bad!

rosie

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Eniae.30175$215.16899@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
>> than it is to quit and stay quit.
>>
>
> it is?
> i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
> was
> experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was
> ABSOLUTE
> HELL!
> none of my recovery has EVER been that bad!

Not since you switched to the drugs of your choice, eh rosie;-)

Bob
>
"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
> my antidepressants don't work the 12 Steps for me, but they sure do
> eliminate the CEMENT BOOTS so i can walk the walk.

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Eniae.30175$215.16899@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
> > than it is to quit and stay quit.
> >
>
> it is?
> i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
was
> experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was ABSOLUTE
> HELL!

If that is true, why did you continue to pour alcohol down your throat ?
Because that took less effort and was easier to do than trying to each
day not drink ? If you can remember your early days in sobriety, how
easy did you find it to live without alcohol before you found what you
think enables you to live with yourself as you are and to also cope
with life without the need for alcohol ?

Sheenah
>
> rosie
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4269bb5e_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

> >
> > it is?
> > i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
> > was
> > experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was
> > ABSOLUTE
> > HELL!
> > none of my recovery has EVER been that bad!


>
> Not since you switched to the drugs of your choice, eh rosie;-)
>
> Bob



"If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
you, then you are probably being trolled."

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4cqmt$eim$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
> > > than it is to quit and stay quit.
> > >




> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com
> > it is?
> > i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
> was
> > experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was
ABSOLUTE
> > HELL!
>


"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com
> If that is true, why did you continue to pour alcohol down your throat
?



> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com
until i knew that stopping drinking was going to be the answer, and
surrendered, i drank and stayed in the HELL that i am speaking of.




> Because that took less effort and was easier to do than trying to each
> day not drink ?


until i knew that stopping drinking was going to be the answer, and
surrendered, i drank, and stayed in the HELL that i am speaking of.



>...................If you can remember your early days in sobriety,


LOL!
of course i can remember my early days of sobriety.............working
with newcomers INSURES that.




>how easy did you find it to live without alcohol before you found what
you
> think enables you to live with yourself as you are and to also cope
> with life without the need for alcohol ?
>

as i stated, i found living without alcohol MUCH easier than "the
pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" that i was living with in a
drunken stupor.
august 26, 1982 i surrendered, and with great faith and hope i stay that
way!
even during my worst days of depression, after sobriety, suicide was
never an answer, and drinking wasn't either.

i live each day, KNOWING that drinking is not the answer, and i do what
is needed for me to keep my ATTITUDE ADJUSTED on a daily basis. (STEPS
10-11-12)

[Gregg Fowler]

I don't know about anyone else, but I drank because is was compulsive
behavior. There was nothing "easier" about it at all. I think often times
this fallacy keeps people from trying to get sober. Staying sober is
infinitely easier than being a drunk. I didn't quit drinking because of my
virtuous attitude. I didn't quit because I though a sober struggle was
more worthwhile. I quit because the reality is that life is better and
easier sober. I drank because of a compulsion to do so along with the lies
that go with the compulsion.

Gregg

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:41:35 -0500, Sheenah <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Eniae.30175$215.16899@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
>> > than it is to quit and stay quit.
>> >
>>
>> it is?
>> i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
> was
>> experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was ABSOLUTE
>> HELL!
>
> If that is true, why did you continue to pour alcohol down your throat?
> Because that took less effort and was easier to do than trying to each
> day not drink ? If you can remember your early days in sobriety, how
> easy did you find it to live without alcohol before you found what you
> think enables you to live with yourself as you are and to also cope
> with life without the need for alcohol ?
>
> Sheenah
>>
>> rosie
>>
>>
>
>



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[rosie read n' post]

thanks for posting this gregg, i know that our feelings about the joy of
sobriety are NOT unique.

--
rosie
http://www.codepinkalert.org/



"Gregg Fowler" <totfitNOSPAM@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:op.spoq59rpr4m5ga@fowlerservices.500ash01.tn. comcast...
I don't know about anyone else, but I drank because is was compulsive
behavior. There was nothing "easier" about it at all. I think often
times
this fallacy keeps people from trying to get sober. Staying sober is
infinitely easier than being a drunk. I didn't quit drinking because of
my
virtuous attitude. I didn't quit because I though a sober struggle was
more worthwhile. I quit because the reality is that life is better and
easier sober. I drank because of a compulsion to do so along with the
lies
that go with the compulsion.

Gregg

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:41:35 -0500, Sheenah <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Eniae.30175$215.16899@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
>> > than it is to quit and stay quit.
>> >
>>
>> it is?
>> i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
> was
>> experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was ABSOLUTE
>> HELL!
>
> If that is true, why did you continue to pour alcohol down your throat
?
> Because that took less effort and was easier to do than trying to each
> day not drink ? If you can remember your early days in sobriety, how
> easy did you find it to live without alcohol before you found what you
> think enables you to live with yourself as you are and to also cope
> with life without the need for alcohol ?
>
> Sheenah
>>
>> rosie
>>
>>
>
>



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[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fErae.34200$PA4.22978@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> thanks for posting this gregg, i know that our feelings about the
> joy of
> sobriety are NOT unique.
>

Yeah, rosie loves sobriety so much she is hopelessly dependent on
misery pills, to cope with all her happiness, joy, and freedom.

Bob;-)

[jim]

shut up Bob.
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4269bb5e_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Eniae.30175$215.16899@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
>>> than it is to quit and stay quit.
>>>
>>
>> it is?
>> i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i was
>> experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was ABSOLUTE
>> HELL!
>> none of my recovery has EVER been that bad!
>
> Not since you switched to the drugs of your choice, eh rosie;-)
>
> Bob
>>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
>> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
>> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
>> my antidepressants don't work the 12 Steps for me, but they sure do
>> eliminate the CEMENT BOOTS so i can walk the walk.
>
>

[jim]

coudnt have said it better myself Greg.
"Gregg Fowler" <totfitNOSPAM@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:op.spoq59rpr4m5ga@fowlerservices.500ash01.tn. comcast...
I don't know about anyone else, but I drank because is was compulsive
behavior. There was nothing "easier" about it at all. I think often times
this fallacy keeps people from trying to get sober. Staying sober is
infinitely easier than being a drunk. I didn't quit drinking because of my
virtuous attitude. I didn't quit because I though a sober struggle was
more worthwhile. I quit because the reality is that life is better and
easier sober. I drank because of a compulsion to do so along with the lies
that go with the compulsion.

Gregg

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:41:35 -0500, Sheenah <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Eniae.30175$215.16899@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >....................... It's so much easier to keep on drinking
>> > than it is to quit and stay quit.
>> >
>>
>> it is?
>> i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
> was
>> experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was ABSOLUTE
>> HELL!
>
> If that is true, why did you continue to pour alcohol down your throat ?
> Because that took less effort and was easier to do than trying to each
> day not drink ? If you can remember your early days in sobriety, how
> easy did you find it to live without alcohol before you found what you
> think enables you to live with yourself as you are and to also cope
> with life without the need for alcohol ?
>
> Sheenah
>>
>> rosie
>>
>>
>
>



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[John Smith]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426a55d7$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fErae.34200$PA4.22978@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> thanks for posting this gregg, i know that our feelings about the joy of
>> sobriety are NOT unique.
>>
>
> Yeah, rosie loves sobriety so much she is hopelessly dependent on misery
> pills, to cope with all her happiness, joy, and freedom.
>
> Bob;-)
You really are a great source of positive thoughts arent you.....

I suffer from depression and take medication for it.... Would you prefer it
if i just slit my wrists?

[NutSoFast@hotmail.com]

On 23-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote:

> You really are a great source of positive thoughts arent you.....
>
> I suffer from depression and take medication for it.... Would you prefer
> it if i just slit my wrists?

If I were to side with anyone, I'd have to say that the
"anti-antidepressant" talk is uncalled for... I certainly wouldn't want any
bad outcomes on my conscience.

Years ago, when I was new, one of the elder statesmen in my home group told
this vet "Hanoi Hank" that because he was on ani-psychotic meds that he
couldn't call himself "truly sober"... Apparently he took this guru's
words to heart. The last time I saw H.H. he was out in the street preaching
hell and damnation to people driving by in their cars!

--
NutSo

[John Smith]

<NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hwtae.152$Bb.116@okepread06...
>
> On 23-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> You really are a great source of positive thoughts arent you.....
>>
>> I suffer from depression and take medication for it.... Would you prefer
>> it if i just slit my wrists?
>
> If I were to side with anyone, I'd have to say that the
> "anti-antidepressant" talk is uncalled for... I certainly wouldn't want
> any
> bad outcomes on my conscience.
>
> Years ago, when I was new, one of the elder statesmen in my home group
> told
> this vet "Hanoi Hank" that because he was on ani-psychotic meds that he
> couldn't call himself "truly sober"... Apparently he took this guru's
> words to heart. The last time I saw H.H. he was out in the street
> preaching
> hell and damnation to people driving by in their cars!
>
> --
> NutSo

Hey look its an intelligent response!!!

Thanks NutSo

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> august 26, 1982 i surrendered, and with great faith and hope i stay
that
> way!
> even during my worst days of depression, after sobriety, suicide was
> never an answer, and drinking wasn't either.
>
> i live each day, KNOWING that drinking is not the answer, and i do
what
> is needed for me to keep my ATTITUDE ADJUSTED on a daily basis. (STEPS
> 10-11-12)
>
OK. Now, to get tpo where you are today did not deem it necessary to
geo regularly to AA meetings, get and work with a Sponsor, work all 12
of the Steps (which including wrting an inventory and sharing that
inventory with another person). Also, in order for you to be where you
are today, perhaps your thinking and character has had to under certain
changes. To have done the AA stuff would have required more effort on
your part than would have drinking which requires merely getting hold of
booze, opening its bottles and/or cans and pouring their content down
your throat.

Now I have a question. If was easy for someone who wanted to stop
drinking to stay stopped why was it thought necessary to found
Alcoholics Anonymous and Moderation Management for example; why is there
a need for drug and alcohol councillors and why do so many alcoholics
who say they want to quit drinking find it impossible to quit and stay
quit even when they admit that their drinking is either seriously
damaging their health or they recognise that it could kill them.

Sheenah

[Robert McGregor]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:B9tae.2515$WW5.1298@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426a55d7$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fErae.34200$PA4.22978@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> thanks for posting this gregg, i know that our feelings about the
>>> joy of
>>> sobriety are NOT unique.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, rosie loves sobriety so much she is hopelessly dependent on
>> misery pills, to cope with all her happiness, joy, and freedom.
>>
>> Bob;-)
> You really are a great source of positive thoughts arent you.....
>
> I suffer from depression and take medication for it.... Would you
> prefer it if i just slit my wrists?

What if there's truth in that reincarnation business, and you have to
keep coming back 'till you get it right?

Anyway, haven't seen you presenting here as being "Happy, Joyous, and
Free."

Bob.

[John Smith]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426a6b11_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:B9tae.2515$WW5.1298@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:426a55d7$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fErae.34200$PA4.22978@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> thanks for posting this gregg, i know that our feelings about the joy
>>>> of
>>>> sobriety are NOT unique.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, rosie loves sobriety so much she is hopelessly dependent on misery
>>> pills, to cope with all her happiness, joy, and freedom.
>>>
>>> Bob;-)
>> You really are a great source of positive thoughts arent you.....
>>
>> I suffer from depression and take medication for it.... Would you prefer
>> it if i just slit my wrists?
>
> What if there's truth in that reincarnation business, and you have to keep
> coming back 'till you get it right?
>
> Anyway, haven't seen you presenting here as being "Happy, Joyous, and
> Free."
>
> Bob.
Fuckwit

[Sheenah]

"Gregg Fowler" <totfitNOSPAM@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:op.spoq59rpr4m5ga@fowlerservices.500ash01.tn. comcast...
I quit because the reality is that life is better and
easier sober.

When did you come to know that reality ?

For several months I have known a lady who claims to want to quite
drinking and stay quit. For several years she has been trying to quit
drinking but has never been able to not drink for longer than a year.
When life is not how she want it to be (ie perfect for her), that
encourages her to drink. When she drinks and dislikes the effects it
has on her, she again quits drinking. She then has withdrawal symptoms.
Sometimes, in order to try to overcome these she drinks. At other times,
she gets on with life until something happens that upsets her When she's
upset she may again reach for the bottle.

She has been to enough AA meetings to be able to know that if she is
prepared to do what those whose lives have been transformed by AA's
teachings then possibly her life may also become a whole lot better. If
someone could give her a guarantee that her life would be instantly
better if she didn;t drink, then perhaps she'd go for whatever would
bring that result.

Sheenah

[Gregg Fowler]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:42:35 -0500, Sheenah <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
> "Gregg Fowler" <totfitNOSPAM@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:op.spoq59rpr4m5ga@fowlerservices.500ash01.tn. comcast...
> I quit because the reality is that life is better and
> easier sober.
>
> When did you come to know that reality ?

When I quit drinking. Before that I was just hoping there was something
better. If I go back and drink again it would be because I bought the lie
that the addiction tell, "this will make it better". Life is easier not
drinking.
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[Mias]

Hey John
It is not how many times you fall it is if you get up the last time that is
important.
Suggest Illusions by Richard Bach to be taken moderately instead of drinking
and could suggest a moer of a lot of other things but...
will say, thinking of you, know it aint easy but, it CAN be done! If I could
do it so can you.
Try to find others with a similar problem to fellowship with.Personally AA
worked for me and was all that worked.
God Bless
Mias
"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hello again,
>
> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering and
> i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>
> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>
> I'll be back!!!
>
> B
>
> :)
>

[rosie read n' post]

JB,
one of the reasons for support groups, therapists, counselors, is often
to obtain help, to "learn how to live
sober"...............................

why is it that you believe its easier to live drunk than sober?

so you remember before your relapse what spiritual shape you were in?

--
rosie
http://www.codepinkalert.org/



"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:nFqae.30201$215.12525@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > august 26, 1982 i surrendered, and with great faith and hope i stay
> that
> > way!
> > even during my worst days of depression, after sobriety, suicide was
> > never an answer, and drinking wasn't either.
> >
> > i live each day, KNOWING that drinking is not the answer, and i do
> what
> > is needed for me to keep my ATTITUDE ADJUSTED on a daily basis.
(STEPS
> > 10-11-12)
> >
> OK. Now, to get tpo where you are today did not deem it necessary to
> geo regularly to AA meetings, get and work with a Sponsor, work all 12
> of the Steps (which including wrting an inventory and sharing that
> inventory with another person). Also, in order for you to be where you
> are today, perhaps your thinking and character has had to under
certain
> changes. To have done the AA stuff would have required more effort on
> your part than would have drinking which requires merely getting hold
of
> booze, opening its bottles and/or cans and pouring their content down
> your throat.
>
> Now I have a question. If was easy for someone who wanted to stop
> drinking to stay stopped why was it thought necessary to found
> Alcoholics Anonymous and Moderation Management for example; why is
there
> a need for drug and alcohol councillors and why do so many alcoholics
> who say they want to quit drinking find it impossible to quit and stay
> quit even when they admit that their drinking is either seriously
> damaging their health or they recognise that it could kill them.
>
> Sheenah
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> >
> OK. Now, to get tpo where you are today did not deem it necessary to
> geo regularly to AA meetings, get and work with a Sponsor, work all 12
> of the Steps (which including wrting an inventory and sharing that
> inventory with another person). Also, in order for you to be where you
> are today, perhaps your thinking and character has had to under
certain
> changes. To have done the AA stuff would have required more effort on
> your part than would have drinking which requires merely getting hold
of
> booze, opening its bottles and/or cans and pouring their content down
> your throat.
>
>

see? that is where i disagree with
you...............................IMO, working with a sponsor, working
the steps, etc. etc. etc. was NEVER as difficult for me, as drinking
was.

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> JB,
> one of the reasons for support groups, therapists, counselors, is
often
> to obtain help, to "learn how to live
> sober"...............................

True.

> why is it that you believe its easier to live drunk than sober?

I do not.
>
> so you remember before your relapse what spiritual shape you were in?

Yes.

Sheenah

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d4dook$tsh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > >
> > OK. Now, to get tpo where you are today did not deem it necessary
to
> > geo regularly to AA meetings, get and work with a Sponsor, work all
12
> > of the Steps (which including wrting an inventory and sharing that
> > inventory with another person). Also, in order for you to be where
you
> > are today, perhaps your thinking and character has had to under
> certain
> > changes. To have done the AA stuff would have required more effort
on
> > your part than would have drinking which requires merely getting
hold
> of
> > booze, opening its bottles and/or cans and pouring their content
down
> > your throat.
> >
> >
>
> see? that is where i disagree with
> you..............................IMO, working with a sponsor, working
> the steps, etc. etc. etc. was NEVER as difficult for me, as drinking
> was.
>
The act of pouring alcohol down your throat as opposed to living as an
alcoholic who was drinking was more difficult for you than working with
a Sponsor, going to AA meetings and working the Steps ?

For me, it was easy to drink alcohol. For me therefore it was not the
*act* of drinking that caused me to eventually think my life not worth
living but rather the *consequences* of consuming alcohol that led
eventually to me thinking this.

Sheenah

[Robert McGregor]

<NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> On 23-Apr-2005, "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You really are a great source of positive thoughts arent you.....
>>
>> I suffer from depression and take medication for it.... Would you
>> prefer
>> it if i just slit my wrists?
>
> If I were to side with anyone, I'd have to say that the
> "anti-antidepressant" talk is uncalled for...
>I certainly wouldn't want any
> bad outcomes on my conscience.

But you are going to wade into the discussion anyway:-) Amusing the
way protests about "anti depressant talk" almost, if not always,
invariably precede anti depressant talk.

>
> Years ago, when I was new, one of the elder statesmen in my home
> group told
> this vet "Hanoi Hank" that because he was on ani-psychotic meds
> that he
> couldn't call himself "truly sober"... Apparently he took this
> guru's
> words to heart. The last time I saw H.H. he was out in the street
> preaching
> hell and damnation to people driving by in their cars!
>

There ya go, if he had continued drugging himself, he may have been
dead by then.

http://tinyurl.com/7qa5g

Irony is that, pertaining to drugs, there is only one person here
promoting the "truly sober" theory - (as far as I can recall.) Guess
who that could be;-)

Bob








From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>

Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>YES, whatever works!

>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST

>drink/drug,

[NutSoFast@hotmail.com]

> <NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hwtae.152$Bb.116@okepread06...
> > If I were to side with anyone, I'd have to say that the
> > "anti-antidepressant" talk is uncalled for...
> >I certainly wouldn't want any
> > bad outcomes on my conscience.

On 23-Apr-2005, "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> But you are going to wade into the discussion anyway:-) Amusing the
> way protests about "anti depressant talk" almost, if not always,
> invariably precede anti depressant talk.


You may read into my post whatever you wish Bob (ANTI-antidepressant talk).

But I don't think I came down either for or against antidepressants. The
fact is I
neither endorse nor oppose them. I did think that bashing those who do use
them
was unconscionable though ....

If you have some particular expertise or qualification - by all means
proselytize. I will defer to my betters, apologize, and step aside.


> There ya go, if he had continued drugging himself, he may have been
> dead by then.

.... in his schizophrenic state I doubt he'd have cared either way.
The thing is the world may never know...

Bob, I attempted to point out one instance in which a "well-meaning" person
imposed
his will upon a vulnerable individual... I thought someone might find the
story
beneficial in some way. Had I any direct experience, either good or bad,
I'd have
shared THAT information as well. But as I had nothing further to say that
was
even remotely constructive, I was content to leave it alone...

It's all about knowing my limitations.

> Irony is that, pertaining to drugs, there is only one person here
> promoting the "truly sober" theory - (as far as I can recall.) Guess
> who that could be;-)

You do this sobriety thing so much better than all the rest of us Bob...
I guess that makes you THE WINNER.

How do you plan to celebrate your victory over the little people?

--
NutSo

[Robert McGregor]

<NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>> <NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hwtae.152$Bb.116@okepread06...
>> > If I were to side with anyone, I'd have to say that the
>> > "anti-antidepressant" talk is uncalled for...
>> >I certainly wouldn't want any
>> > bad outcomes on my conscience.
>
> On 23-Apr-2005, "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>> But you are going to wade into the discussion anyway:-) Amusing
>> the
>> way protests about "anti depressant talk" almost, if not always,
>> invariably precede anti depressant talk.
>
>
> You may read into my post whatever you wish Bob
> (ANTI-antidepressant talk).
>
> But I don't think I came down either for or against
> antidepressants. The
> fact is I
> neither endorse nor oppose them. I did think that bashing those
> who do use
> them
> was unconscionable though ....
>
> If you have some particular expertise or qualification - by all
> means
> proselytize. I will defer to my betters, apologize, and step
> aside.
>
>
>> There ya go, if he had continued drugging himself, he may have
>> been
>> dead by then.
>
> ... in his schizophrenic state I doubt he'd have cared either way.
> The thing is the world may never know...
>
> Bob, I attempted to point out one instance in which a
> "well-meaning" person
> imposed
> his will upon a vulnerable individual... I thought someone might
> find the
> story
> beneficial in some way. Had I any direct experience, either good
> or bad,
> I'd have
> shared THAT information as well. But as I had nothing further to
> say that
> was
> even remotely constructive, I was content to leave it alone...
>
> It's all about knowing my limitations.

Amusing the way protests about "anti depressant talk" almost always,
if not always, precede anti depressant talk.

>
>> Irony is that, pertaining to drugs, there is only one person here
>> promoting the "truly sober" theory - (as far as I can recall.)
>> Guess
>> who that could be;-)
>
> You do this sobriety thing so much better than all the rest of us
> Bob...
> I guess that makes you THE WINNER.

Perhaps then you best do something about your limitations.

>
> How do you plan to celebrate your victory over the little people?
>

Victory, in Usenet? KCB, you may overcome at least some of your
limitations.

Bob

[NutSoFast@hotmail.com]

On 23-Apr-2005, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Perhaps then you best do something about your
> limitations.

No, no, no, Bob. I give. I don't want to
compete.
YOU get to THE WINNER, always and forever.

--
NutSo

[rosie read n' post]

> > "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:d4dook$tsh$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> The act of pouring alcohol down your throat as opposed to living as an
> alcoholic who was drinking was more difficult for you than working
with
> a Sponsor, going to AA meetings and working the Steps ?
>
>

absolutely..................living in that insanity was just awful.

[rosie read n' post]

> >
> > so you remember before your relapse what spiritual shape you were
in?
>
> Yes.
>
> Sheenah
>
>

did you believe at that time, that is was just EASIER to be drunk?

[rosie read n' post]

>
> Irony is that, pertaining to drugs, there is only one person here
> promoting the "truly sober" theory - (as far as I can recall.) Guess
> who that could be;-)
>
> Bob
>


the real sad thing about this CONTINUOUS objection from you robert, is
that you pretend not to accept that some depressions can be a treatable
disease..............just like high blood pressure or heart disease.
you pretend this way so you can keep trolling folks.

fortunately, folks figure you out and write your crap off.
have a good evening sweetie.

[rosie read n' post]

>
> No, no, no, Bob. I give. I don't want to
> compete.
> YOU get to THE WINNER, always and forever.
>
> --
> NutSo


surrender is always a good thing when attempting to communicate with
robert, and a few others in here.
;)

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
>> Irony is that, pertaining to drugs, there is only one person here
>> promoting the "truly sober" theory - (as far as I can recall.)
>> Guess
>> who that could be;-)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>
> the real sad thing about this CONTINUOUS objection from you robert,
> is
> that you pretend not to accept that some depressions can be a
> treatable
> disease..............just like high blood pressure or heart
> disease.
> you pretend this way so you can keep trolling folks.

I'm not surprised that depresses you, rosie.

I'm the one that's pretending? Really pisses you off that my decades
of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved HP,
doesn't it.

>
> fortunately, folks figure you out and write your crap off.
> have a good evening sweetie.
>

If anything is sad, it's that, pertaining to your beloved drugs, no
matter how much you bullshit trying to squirm out of it, as far as I
can recall, you are the only person that has promoted the "truly
sober" theory here.

Bob


From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>

Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>YES, whatever works!

>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST

>drink/drug,

[rosie read n' post]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>............... Really pisses you off that my decades
> of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved HP,
> doesn't it.
>
>

ROTFLMAO!
no, robert....................................LOL!

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426b1404_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
>>............... Really pisses you off that my decades
>> of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved HP,
>> doesn't it.
>>
>>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> no, robert....................................LOL!
>

Jeez you're a lying sack of shit.

Bob

"rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in
message

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>

> chronic depression, DOES NOT lift.

> by definition: "it is always there".

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > > so you remember before your relapse what spiritual shape you were
> in?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Sheenah
> >
> >
>
> did you believe at that time, that is was just EASIER to be drunk?

I did not give any thought to whether or not it was easier to be drunk
or not drunk. I remember that I didn't much care for my life and that
by drinking I could temporaily shut down my brain and so be free of
many of my resentmentments, anger, frustrations , anxieties, fears and
sadness.

Sheenah

[rosie read n' post]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5fFae.30302$215.18402@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:426b1404_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> >>............... Really pisses you off that my decades
> >> of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved HP,
> >> doesn't it.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
> > no, robert....................................LOL!
> >
>
> Jeez you're a lying sack of shit.
>
> Bob
>


TRULY, robert.......................you don't piss me
off...............i feel sorry for you, and your truly sad, attention
seeking, behavior.

there are times that you make me laugh, but most times your behavior is
just predictable and quite sad.
it doesn't have to be like this, but you are your own choreographer.
rosie

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8aDae.44538$Nn.42806@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > > >
> > > > so you remember before your relapse what spiritual shape you
were
> > in?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > Sheenah
> > >
> > >
> >
> > did you believe at that time, that is was just EASIER to be drunk?
>
> I did not give any thought to whether or not it was easier to be drunk
> or not drunk. I remember that I didn't much care for my life and that
> by drinking I could temporaily shut down my brain and so be free of
> many of my resentmentments, anger, frustrations , anxieties, fears and
> sadness.
>
> Sheenah
>
>

so you believed that drinking would "temporarily shut down" your
emotions, and that was your answer, rather than seeking help?
why? did you see it as the "easier, softer, way"?

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426b2772$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5fFae.30302$215.18402@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:426b1404_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> >
>> >>............... Really pisses you off that my decades
>> >> of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved HP,
>> >> doesn't it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > ROTFLMAO!
>> > no, robert....................................LOL!
>> >
>>
>> Jeez you're a lying sack of shit.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>
> TRULY, robert.......................you don't piss me
> off...............i feel sorry for you, and your truly sad,
> attention
> seeking, behavior.
>
> there are times that you make me laugh, but most times your
> behavior is
> just predictable and quite sad.
> it doesn't have to be like this, but you are your own
> choreographer.



"rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in
message

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>

> chronic depression, DOES NOT lift.

> by definition: "it is always there".

[rosie read n' post]

robert,
see what i mean about your behavior?
quite sad!







"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:m5Mae.30309$215.5922@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:426b2772$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >>
> >> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5fFae.30302$215.18402@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> >> > message
> >> > news:426b1404_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >> >
> >> >>............... Really pisses you off that my decades
> >> >> of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved HP,
> >> >> doesn't it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > ROTFLMAO!
> >> > no, robert....................................LOL!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Jeez you're a lying sack of shit.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >
> >
> > TRULY, robert.......................you don't piss me
> > off...............i feel sorry for you, and your truly sad,
> > attention
> > seeking, behavior.
> >
> > there are times that you make me laugh, but most times your
> > behavior is
> > just predictable and quite sad.
> > it doesn't have to be like this, but you are your own
> > choreographer.
>
>
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
>
> news:d_rZa.76641$7O4.1782289@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> >
>
> > chronic depression, DOES NOT lift.
>
> > by definition: "it is always there".
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> robert,
> see what i mean about your behavior?
> quite sad!
>

How dare anyone call rosie on her constant bullshit!

Bob

>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426ba54c_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5Mae.30309$215.5922@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:426b2772$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> >>
>> >> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:5fFae.30302$215.18402@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> >> > message
>> >> > news:426b1404_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> >> >
>> >> >>............... Really pisses you off that my decades
>> >> >> of chronic depression lifted after I abandoned your beloved
>> >> >> HP,
>> >> >> doesn't it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > ROTFLMAO!
>> >> > no, robert....................................LOL!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Jeez you're a lying sack of shit.
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > TRULY, robert.......................you don't piss me
>> > off...............i feel sorry for you, and your truly sad,
>> > attention
>> > seeking, behavior.
>> >
>> > there are times that you make me laugh, but most times your
>> > behavior is
>> > just predictable and quite sad.
>> > it doesn't have to be like this, but you are your own
>> > choreographer.
>>
>>
>>
>> "rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> message
>>
>> news:d_rZa.76641$7O4.1782289@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > chronic depression, DOES NOT lift.
>>
>> > by definition: "it is always there".
>>
>>
>
>

[Dan McGown]

> see? that is where i disagree with
> you...............................IMO, working with a sponsor, working
> the steps, etc. etc. etc. was NEVER as difficult for me, as drinking
> was.

Rosie,
I guess that I just don't understand your definitions. Drinking was
"easy" for me. I did it every day for decades without even thinking about
it. Stopping drinking took work.
Dan

[Sheenah]

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>
>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d4fe7j$ib9$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8aDae.44538$Nn.42806@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > so you remember before your relapse what spiritual shape you
> were
> > > in?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Sheenah
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > did you believe at that time, that is was just EASIER to be drunk?
> >
> > I did not give any thought to whether or not it was easier to be
drunk
> > or not drunk. I remember that I didn't much care for my life and
that
> > by drinking I could temporaily shut down my brain and so be free of
> > many of my resentmentments, anger, frustrations , anxieties, fears
and
> > sadness.
> >
> > Sheenah
> >
> >
>
> so you believed that drinking would "temporarily shut down" your
> emotions, and that was your answer, rather than seeking help?

No.

[Sheenah]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4gdcr$vdr$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%6Mae.30310$215.5737@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...

Rosie wrote:
> > so you believed that drinking would "temporarily shut down" your
> > emotions, and that was your answer, rather than seeking help?
>
Sheenah replied

> No.
>
>

PS; Rosie,

Remembering your comments:

" i believe that the "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization" i
was experiencing in my last months, weeks, days, of drinking was
ABSOLUTE HELL!"

and

"until i knew that stopping drinking was going to be the answer, and
surrendered, i drank, and stayed in the HELL that i am speaking of"

I should like to know what caused you to think that stopping drinking
was the right thing for you to do. Also, as soon as you did stop
drinking, whether or not you found yourself well able to cope with
whatever life threw at you with the need for a new attitude towards and
outlook on life and/or also without the need when under stress to make
use of such things as cigarettes, food and maybe even prescription or
over-the-counter drugs take in hopes that these things would bring you
some comfort.

Sheenah

[rosie read n' post]

> Rosie,
> I guess that I just don't understand your definitions. Drinking
was
> "easy" for me. I did it every day for decades without even thinking
about
> it. Stopping drinking took work.
> Dan
>
>

in my early days of drinking, it was not only easy, it was fun and a
constant companion.
had it remained that way, i would still be drinking!
;)

i quit because the obsession to drink, and the drinking had become
mandatory in my life, even though i knew i shouldn't be, it was out of
my control...................

getting into and staying in recovery from alcohol was never as hard for
me.
i really did my best at surrendering and following directions.
i believe that if my sponsor had told me to "stand on my head" in the
middle of a busy intersection, i would have...................i was that
beaten!

does that make more sense to you dan?

[rosie read n' post]

> I should like to know what caused you to think that stopping drinking
> was the right thing for you to do.

right thing?
it was the ONLY option left open to me, other than suicide and i didn't
want to die.


JB,
i was a heavy smoker and coffee drinker when i quit
drinking..........................
the advise i was given was to concentrate on QUITTING DRINKING and
developing a NEW ATTITUDE.
which i obviously did.
each and everyday becoming stronger, and loving the AA fellowship more
and more.
i am proud of my accomplishments, and thank my HP daily for the
opportunity to do so!

i hope this answers your questions,
rosie

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3AUae.31115$215.26789@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > I should like to know what caused you to think that stopping
drinking
> > was the right thing for you to do.
>
> right thing?
> it was the ONLY option left open to me, other than suicide and i
didn't
> want to die.
>
>
> JB,
> i was a heavy smoker and coffee drinker when i quit
> drinking..........................
> the advise i was given was to concentrate on QUITTING DRINKING and
> developing a NEW ATTITUDE.
> which i obviously did.

OK. If you have developed a new attitude (I would not know since you
quit drinking in 1982 and we have been talking since only 2002), how do
you think your attitude today is different from that which you had more
than 20 years ago.

Sheenah

[rosie read n' post]

JB,
have you read THE PROMISES?
those would be a good example of the changed that i speak of.

--
rosie
http://www.codepinkalert.org/



"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4h5v9$9cv$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3AUae.31115$215.26789@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > > I should like to know what caused you to think that stopping
> drinking
> > > was the right thing for you to do.
> >
> > right thing?
> > it was the ONLY option left open to me, other than suicide and i
> didn't
> > want to die.
> >
> >
> > JB,
> > i was a heavy smoker and coffee drinker when i quit
> > drinking..........................
> > the advise i was given was to concentrate on QUITTING DRINKING and
> > developing a NEW ATTITUDE.
> > which i obviously did.
>
> OK. If you have developed a new attitude (I would not know since you
> quit drinking in 1982 and we have been talking since only 2002), how
do
> you think your attitude today is different from that which you had
more
> than 20 years ago.
>
> Sheenah
>
>

[John Smith]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:j0cae.1269$Y46.739@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Hello again,
>
> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering and
> i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>
> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>
> I'll be back!!!
>
> B
>
> :)
I'm so glad i could kick off such lively discussion.... Hmmmm support huh!!!
;)

B

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> JB,
> have you read THE PROMISES?
> those would be a good example of the changed that i speak of.
>

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...

> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
message
news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>i will never be recovered..............................

[John Smith]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426d5f27_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> JB,
>> have you read THE PROMISES?
>> those would be a good example of the changed that i speak of.
>>
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
>> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
>> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>>i will never be recovered..............................
>
>
You truly are a supportive and intelligent human arent you Bob....

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on (actually you fuck yhe horse it might
relieve some of your tension....)

[John Smith]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4c38n$tl8$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:TIeae.1320$Y46.767@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> <NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:akeae.68$Bb.43@okepread06...
>
>
>> > That's all. And hey, not drinking... it's a
>> > wonderful start!! :D
>> >
>> > --
>> > NutSo
>>
>> Fair enough....i don't know what i'm going to do to be honest.... what
> i do
>> know is it has to be done....
>>
>> Easy huh
>>
> Why does it have to be done ? It's so much easier to keep on drinking
> than it is to quit and stay quit.
>
> In a book that covers the subject of recovery from alcoholism, it is
> suggested that " Those do not recover are people who cannot or will not
> completely give themselves to this simple programme, usually men and
> women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with
> themselves".
>
> If you think there's truth in this suggestion, maybe you'll benefit from
> first giving thought to whether you want to quit drinking or simply
> drink less than you do now.
>
> If you cannot stay in control of your drinking while you are drinking,
> you might also give thought to why this might be.
>
> Sheenah
>
> I do not know whether or not
>
> that "Those hwo do not recvoer ise whoN aI have come to believe that
> the bets chance AfteWhen I quit drinking in 2003 I came to believe that
> inge Maybe chainging the first step tpwards chanigonly alcohAlcholics
> being honest wqithAr this pointH
>
>
> ON lif it easier to cope with life oer to cope with life while drinking
> ;t life much more difficult to cfope with yt ;'
>
Why did you feel it was necessary for you to stop drinking?.... Did you
never fail?... I know that when i drink i will fall over... fall down... and
hit the gutter.... if maybe one day i could learn to control it that'd be
astonishing.... right now.... i can't..... so it HAS TO STOP....

P.S. No offence meant

[Scott W]

In article <Wwdbe.13086$u5.8786@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>,
fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com says...
>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d4c38n$tl8$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:TIeae.1320$Y46.767@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> >>
> >> <NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:akeae.68$Bb.43@okepread06...
> >
> >
> >> > That's all. And hey, not drinking... it's a
> >> > wonderful start!! :D
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > NutSo
> >>
> >> Fair enough....i don't know what i'm going to do to be honest.... what
> > i do
> >> know is it has to be done....
> >>
> >> Easy huh
> >>
> > Why does it have to be done ? It's so much easier to keep on drinking
> > than it is to quit and stay quit.
> >
> > In a book that covers the subject of recovery from alcoholism, it is
> > suggested that " Those do not recover are people who cannot or will not
> > completely give themselves to this simple programme, usually men and
> > women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with
> > themselves".
> >
> > If you think there's truth in this suggestion, maybe you'll benefit from
> > first giving thought to whether you want to quit drinking or simply
> > drink less than you do now.
> >
> > If you cannot stay in control of your drinking while you are drinking,
> > you might also give thought to why this might be.
> >
> > Sheenah
> >
> > I do not know whether or not
> >
> > that "Those hwo do not recvoer ise whoN aI have come to believe that
> > the bets chance AfteWhen I quit drinking in 2003 I came to believe that
> > inge Maybe chainging the first step tpwards chanigonly alcohAlcholics
> > being honest wqithAr this pointH
> >
> >
> > ON lif it easier to cope with life oer to cope with life while drinking
> > ;t life much more difficult to cfope with yt ;'
> >
> Why did you feel it was necessary for you to stop drinking?.... Did you
> never fail?... I know that when i drink i will fall over... fall down... and
> hit the gutter.... if maybe one day i could learn to control it that'd be
> astonishing.... right now.... i can't..... so it HAS TO STOP....
>
> P.S. No offence meant
>
>
>
I'm on vacation. I cann't stop! Nooooooo! My liver!
My kidneys! My brain! My wanger!
--
Two riders were aproaching. And the wind begin to howl.

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

[rosie read n' post]

--
rosie
http://www.codepinkalert.org/



"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426d5f27_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> JB,
> >> have you read THE PROMISES?
> >> those would be a good example of the changed that i speak of.
> >>
> >
> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> >> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive, and
> >> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to this
> >> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>
> >>i will never be recovered..............................
> >
> >
> You truly are a supportive and intelligent human arent you Bob....
>
> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on (actually you fuck yhe horse it
might
> relieve some of your tension....)
>
>

john,
robert and a couple of his buddies have been "humping" my posts for
years.......................he has nothing else to do.
poor thing!

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jtfbe.47055$Nn.2505@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> --
> rosie
> http://www.codepinkalert.org/
>
>
>
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:Frdbe.13085$u5.10625@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:426d5f27_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> >
>> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >> JB,
>> >> have you read THE PROMISES?
>> >> those would be a good example of the changed that i speak of.
>> >>
>> >
>> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >
>> >> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive,
>> >> and
>> >> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to
>> >> this
>> >> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
>> >
>> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>
>> >>i will never be recovered..............................
>> >
>> >
>> You truly are a supportive and intelligent human arent you
>> Bob....
>>
>> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on (actually you fuck yhe horse
>> it
> might
>> relieve some of your tension....)
>>
>>
>
> john,
> robert and a couple of his buddies have been "humping" my posts for
> years.......................he has nothing else to do.
> poor thing!
>

Humping? I wouldn't hump you with John's dick.

Bob

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> JB,
> have you read THE PROMISES?

Yes

Read 'n post.

I'm curious to know what prevents you from saying how you yourself think
you have changed. Perhaps that is because you have not ? Perhaps you
remain insecure, full of fear, prideful and arrogant; have low
self-esteem, are unable to feel always comfortable in your own skin, are
unable and unwilling to always accept the consequences of your actions
and are still an actor.. If there is truth in what I say and you prefer
to not face them, it is only you who suffers the consequences ?

Sheenah

BTW,

I am also curious to know why you have again chosen to call me JB rather
than by my real name, Sheenah.

Sheenah"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3AUae.31115$215.26789@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > > I should like to know what caused you to think that stopping
> > drinking
> > > > was the right thing for you to do.
> > >
> > > right thing?
> > > it was the ONLY option left open to me, other than suicide and i
> > didn't
> > > want to die.
> > >
> > >
> > > JB,
> > > i was a heavy smoker and coffee drinker when i quit
> > > drinking..........................
> > > the advise i was given was to concentrate on QUITTING DRINKING and
> > > developing a NEW ATTITUDE.
> > > which i obviously did.
> >
> > OK. If you have developed a new attitude (I would not know since
you
> > quit drinking in 1982 and we have been talking since only 2002), how
> do
> > you think your attitude today is different from that which you had
> more
> > than 20 years ago.
> >
> > Sheenah
> >
> >
>
>

[Sheenah]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Wwdbe.13086$u5.8786@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d4c38n$tl8$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...

John wrote.

> Why did you feel it was necessary for you to stop drinking?....

Because I did not want to die and also because I no longer wanted the
life I had as an alcoholic who drank.

>Did you
> never fail?..

Yes. Many times

.. I know that when i drink i will fall over... fall down... and
> hit the gutter.... if maybe one day i could learn to control it that'd
be
> astonishing.... right now.... i can't..... so it HAS TO STOP....
>
OK. I think now a good time to tell you this.

In 1994, I made my first serious attempt to quit drinking. My doctor
suggested I go to AA. I went. After my first meeting, some AAer said
something to me that angered me. This caused me to decide to want to
have nothing more to do with those "sanctimonous people" and to also
decide that if I was going to beat my alcoholism, it was up to me - and
me alone to do so. From that day on, each time I wanted to drink, I
didn't take one. Sometimes, I found it easy to not drink. At other
times, it was a great struggle to not do so. For almost 8 years I did
not dirnk. Not did I learn anything about alcoholism.. Then one day I
decided that having achieved almost 8 years of sobriety, I had proved to
myself that I was well able to control my drinking and therefore if I
drank again, I'd have no difficulty staying in control of it. Yeh right
:^) When I again started drinking I very quickly discovered that I
could not stay in control of it.

After four months of daily secret drinking, I was saying to myself and
my doctor that I needed to stop drinking. Six monhs later I became
willing and able to stop saying I must stop drinking, to take the
decision to quit and to make repeated efforts to not pick up a drink. I
also became humble enough to seek help from this NG and became willing
to follow advice that I thought was good advice. Some advice that I was
given by folk who themselves were alcoholics who no longer drank was go
regularly to AA meetings, listen to what is being said, learn from it
and work the Steps. I decided to follow this advice, to begin reading
other AA literature, to get myself a mentor and to join on-line AA
groups.. As a result I have just over 23 months of not drinking under
my belt and a life that I know is infinitely better than my past life.
..
> P.S. No offence meant

None taken.

Best regards

Sheenah

[rosie read n' post]

can't read huh?

i said HUMPING my posts!
that is a kind way to describing a trolls actions.











"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:426d9111_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Jtfbe.47055$Nn.2505@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > --
> > rosie
> > http://www.codepinkalert.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:Frdbe.13085$u5.10625@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >>
> >> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:426d5f27_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >> >
> >> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >> JB,
> >> >> have you read THE PROMISES?
> >> >> those would be a good example of the changed that i speak of.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:aKt9e.26660$215.5206@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >
> >> >> i was five years sober when i was diagnosed as a depressive,
> >> >> and
> >> >> started antidepressants..................i am still on them to
> >> >> this
> >> >> day. (with short breaks in-between med/dosage change)
> >> >
> >> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
> >> > message
> >> > news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>i will never be recovered..............................
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You truly are a supportive and intelligent human arent you
> >> Bob....
> >>
> >> Fuck you and the horse you rode in on (actually you fuck yhe horse
> >> it
> > might
> >> relieve some of your tension....)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > john,
> > robert and a couple of his buddies have been "humping" my posts for
> > years.......................he has nothing else to do.
> > poor thing!
> >
>
> Humping? I wouldn't hump you with John's dick.
>
> Bob
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4ksje$agm$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I'm curious to know what prevents you from saying how you yourself
think
> you have changed. Perhaps that is because you have not ? Perhaps you
> remain insecure, full of fear, prideful and arrogant; have low
> self-esteem, are unable to feel always comfortable in your own skin,
are
> unable and unwilling to always accept the consequences of your actions
> and are still an actor.. If there is truth in what I say and you
prefer
> to not face them, it is only you who suffers the consequences ?
>
> Sheenah
>


JB
your post to me is an example of your continued nastiness!

"If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
you, then you are probably being trolled"








it reminds me that the definition of an alcoholic:

someone who does the same thing over and over, but expects (wishes) for
different results.
that would be me!

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20sbe.31949$215.20726@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d4ksje$agm$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I'm curious to know what prevents you from saying how you yourself
> think
> > you have changed. Perhaps that is because you have not ? Perhaps
you
> > remain insecure, full of fear, prideful and arrogant; have low
> > self-esteem, are unable to feel always comfortable in your own skin,
> are
> > unable and unwilling to always accept the consequences of your
actions
> > and are still an actor.. If there is truth in what I say and you
> prefer
> > to not face them, it is only you who suffers the consequences ?
> >
> > Sheenah
> >
>
>
> JB
> your post to me is an example of your continued nastiness!

Rosie,

You still have not said how you yourself have changed. What has your 22+
years in AA done to help make it possible for you to not see drinking as
the answer to anything that in your life needs fixing ?

Finally, why did you drink ? Were you always unable to control your
drinking or did that happen only after you'd been drinking for a few
years.

Sheenah

Why did you Isn;t

likPerhaswhy you cannot say how you think you uyourself have changed.
Pride found it tinO conisde

>



From: " rosie readandpost" <readandp...@yahoo.com> - Find messages by
this author
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:14:18 GMT

January 26, 2005

Daily Reflections

RIGOROUS HONESTY

Who wishes to be rigorously honest and tolerant?
Who wants to confess his faults to another and make
restitution for harm done? Who cares anything about
a Higher Power, let alone meditation and prayer?
Who wants to sacrifice time and energy in trying to
carry A.A.'s message to the next sufferer? No, the
average alcoholic, self-centered in the extreme,
doesn't care for this prospect - unless he has to
do these things in order to stay alive himself.
TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS, p. 24








> "If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
> you, then you are probably being trolled"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> it reminds me that the definition of an alcoholic:
>
> someone who does the same thing over and over, but expects (wishes)
for
> different results.
> that would be me!
>
>

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4lofk$v45$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:20sbe.31949$215.20726@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
>


> > "If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> > detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
> > you, then you are probably being trolled"

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tYvbe.31977$215.5927@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
>
>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d4lofk$v45$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:20sbe.31949$215.20726@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> >
>
>
> > > "If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> > > detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite
to
> > > you, then you are probably being trolled"
>
>
Your reply, which was to these questions:

"What has your 22+ years in AA done to help make it possible for you to
not see drinking as the answer to anything that in your life needs
fixing ?

Finally, why did you drink ? Were you always unable to control your
drinking or did that happen only after you'd been drinking for a few
years."

is, IMO, not sharing ESH (which you have more than once encouraged folk
to share) and is therefore unlikely to be of value to anyone who is here
looking for info that could help them to today not drink.

Sheenah




anyone who has come to this NG seeking advice on recvoery from
alcoholism ?. >

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4m425$g4t$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> is, IMO, not sharing ESH (which you have more than once encouraged
folk
> to share) and is therefore unlikely to be of value to anyone who is
here
> looking for info that could help them to today not drink.
>
> Sheenah
>
>


"If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
you, then you are probably being trolled"

[Mike]

Sheenah.

Why are you doing this. Oh, now it's clear. YOU get anything you want
whether or not it's legitimate or hurtful. This sort of Inquisition only
hurts this group.

Please start impugning me so that a may totally ignore you.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d4ksje$agm$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
:
: "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:bjcbe.31860$215.19498@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > JB,
: > have you read THE PROMISES?
:
: Yes
:
: Read 'n post.
:
: I'm curious to know what prevents you from saying how you yourself think
: you have changed. Perhaps that is because you have not ? Perhaps you
: remain insecure, full of fear, prideful and arrogant; have low
: self-esteem, are unable to feel always comfortable in your own skin, are
: unable and unwilling to always accept the consequences of your actions
: and are still an actor.. If there is truth in what I say and you prefer
: to not face them, it is only you who suffers the consequences ?
:
: Sheenah
:
: BTW,
:
: I am also curious to know why you have again chosen to call me JB rather
: than by my real name, Sheenah.
:
: Sheenah"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > > news:3AUae.31115$215.26789@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > > >
: > > > > I should like to know what caused you to think that stopping
: > > drinking
: > > > > was the right thing for you to do.
: > > >
: > > > right thing?
: > > > it was the ONLY option left open to me, other than suicide and i
: > > didn't
: > > > want to die.
: > > >
: > > >
: > > > JB,
: > > > i was a heavy smoker and coffee drinker when i quit
: > > > drinking..........................
: > > > the advise i was given was to concentrate on QUITTING DRINKING and
: > > > developing a NEW ATTITUDE.
: > > > which i obviously did.
: > >
: > > OK. If you have developed a new attitude (I would not know since
: you
: > > quit drinking in 1982 and we have been talking since only 2002), how
: > do
: > > you think your attitude today is different from that which you had
: > more
: > > than 20 years ago.
: > >
: > > Sheenah
: > >
: > >
: >
: >
:
:

[Sheenah]

"Mike" <elzoid@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lPuee.20$Ib4.13@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> Sheenah.
>
> Why are you doing this. Oh, now it's clear. YOU get anything you want
> whether or not it's legitimate or hurtful. This sort of Inquisition
only
> hurts this group.
>
> Please start impugning me so that a may totally ignore you.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Mike

Dear Mike,

Assuining that you believe in the importance of treating everyone
equally, I will ask you to share your thoughts on the following
comments, all of which were made by an AAer whose experience of AA and
the way of life that AA's teachings encourage is far greater than mine,
in this NG within the last 18 months: The comments are not based on
fact. For them to be based on fact, the person who made them would have
needed to be able to see at first hand the situation of each person they
have commented on. They were in not the position to do so:
..
"Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
off his dry drunk."

"drunk again, huh bob?"

"sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."

"yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
him/her, but until then.......................ick!

"you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
you, but you truly are running out of
excuses........................")

"moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
taking sleeping pills".

"jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
crap that is spewed by him/her".

"i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
player............i don't know what you call it over
there.....................just pathetic"

"JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"

"harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."

"JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
the he/she tries to stir up............................"

"JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
------

As yet, I have been unable to find in a AA literature anything which has
caused me think that comments such as the above are encouraged by the
lessons/advice which that literature contains.

I have no trouble believing that such comments merely act as proof that
no-one in AA is able to at all times practice AA's principles in all
their affairs.

Sheenah

[Gregg Fowler]

On Thu, 05 May 2005 15:48:45 -0500, Sheenah <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
> "Mike" <elzoid@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lPuee.20$Ib4.13@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>> Sheenah.
>>
>> Why are you doing this. Oh, now it's clear. YOU get anything you want
>> whether or not it's legitimate or hurtful. This sort of Inquisition
> only
>> hurts this group.
>>
>> Please start impugning me so that a may totally ignore you.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Mike
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> Assuining that you believe in the importance of treating everyone
> equally, I will ask you to share your thoughts on the following
> comments, all of which were made by an AAer whose experience of AA and
> the way of life that AA's teachings encourage is far greater than mine,
> in this NG within the last 18 months: The comments are not based on
> fact. For them to be based on fact, the person who made them would have
> needed to be able to see at first hand the situation of each person they
> have commented on. They were in not the position to do so:
> .
> "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
> koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
> it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
> off his dry drunk."
>
> "drunk again, huh bob?"
>
> "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
> concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
>
> "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
> her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
> CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
> him/her, but until then.......................ick!
>
> "you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
> your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
> you, but you truly are running out of
> excuses........................")
>
> "moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
> taking sleeping pills".
>
> "jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
> started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
> the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
> ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
> crap that is spewed by him/her".
>
> "i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
> play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
> player............i don't know what you call it over
> there.....................just pathetic"
>
> "JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
> disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"
>
> "harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."
>
> "JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
> the he/she tries to stir up............................"
>
> "JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
> are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
> ------
>
> As yet, I have been unable to find in a AA literature anything which has
> caused me think that comments such as the above are encouraged by the
> lessons/advice which that literature contains.
>
> I have no trouble believing that such comments merely act as proof that
> no-one in AA is able to at all times practice AA's principles in all
> their affairs.
>
> Sheenah
>
>

This isn't an AA group. This is a newsgroup for alcoholism recovery.



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[Sheenah]

"Gregg Fowler" <totfitNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.sqbms0xa7vxwgx@totfitmachine.500ash01.tn.c omcast...

This isn't an AA group. This is a newsgroup for alcoholism recovery.

True. Therefore it is an appropriate forum to raise issues based on
AA's teachings as well as teachings from other recovery sources.

If you object to the posting of AA info, we may look forward to seeing
from you many objections to the frequent posting of extracts from AA
literature ?

Sheenah

[rosie read n' post]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d5e0qu$e51$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Mike" <elzoid@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lPuee.20$Ib4.13@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > Sheenah.
> >
> > Why are you doing this. Oh, now it's clear. YOU get anything you
want
> > whether or not it's legitimate or hurtful. This sort of Inquisition
> only
> > hurts this group.
> >
> > Please start impugning me so that a may totally ignore you.
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> > Mike
>
> Dear Mike,
>
> Assuining that you believe in the importance of treating everyone
> equally, I will ask you to share your thoughts on the following
> comments, all of which were made by an AAer whose experience of AA and
> the way of life that AA's teachings encourage is far greater than
mine,
> in this NG within the last 18 months: The comments are not based on
> fact. For them to be based on fact, the person who made them would
have
> needed to be able to see at first hand the situation of each person
they
> have commented on. They were in not the position to do so:
> .
> "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
> koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
> it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
> off his dry drunk."
>
> "drunk again, huh bob?"
>
> "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
> concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
>
> "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
> her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
> CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
> him/her, but until then.......................ick!
>
> "you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
> your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
> you, but you truly are running out of
> excuses........................")
>
> "moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
> taking sleeping pills".
>
> "jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
> started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
> the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
> ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
> crap that is spewed by him/her".
>
> "i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
> play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
> player............i don't know what you call it over
> there.....................just pathetic"
>
> "JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
> disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"
>
> "harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."
>
> "JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
> the he/she tries to stir up............................"
>
> "JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
> are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
> ------
>
> As yet, I have been unable to find in a AA literature anything which
has
> caused me think that comments such as the above are encouraged by the
> lessons/advice which that literature contains.
>
> I have no trouble believing that such comments merely act as proof
that
> no-one in AA is able to at all times practice AA's principles in all
> their affairs.
>
> Sheenah
>
>

ROTFLMAO!
JB, now your looking to drag others down with you?
so predictable and so sad....................

[Sheenah]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3qxee.61132$Nn.5618@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> "Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:d5e0qu$e51$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...

Sheenah quoted (without naming the source)

> > "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the
other
> > koalas.......................... at least not before he finally
"gets
> > it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and
gets
> > off his dry drunk."
> >
> > "drunk again, huh bob?"
> >
> > "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you
are
> > concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
> >
> > "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
> > her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
> > CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
> > him/her, but until then.......................ick!
> >
> > "you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because
of
> > your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking
on
> > you, but you truly are running out of
> > excuses........................")
> >
> > "moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
> > taking sleeping pills".
> >
> > "jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
> > started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
> > the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
> > ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
> > crap that is spewed by him/her".
> >
> > "i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
> > play".................here in the states you would be referred to as
a
> > player............i don't know what you call it over
> > there.....................just pathetic"
> >
> > "JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
> > disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt"
about!"
> >
> > "harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."
> >
> > "JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary
crap
> > the he/she tries to stir up............................"
> >
> > "JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
> > are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
> > ------
> >
> > As yet, I have been unable to find in a AA literature anything which
> has
> > caused me think that comments such as the above are encouraged by
the
> > lessons/advice which that literature contains.
> >
> > I have no trouble believing that such comments merely act as proof
> that
> > no-one in AA is able to at all times practice AA's principles in all
> > their affairs.
> >
> > Sheenah
> >
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> JB, now your looking to drag others down with you?
> so predictable and so sad....................
>
Rosie,

What is your opinion of the person who chose to make the comments I have
quoted ?. Do you think that they were made by someone who was at the
time they made them practicing AA's principles in all their affairs ?

IMO, the person who made them ought to be breathing a sigh of relief
that I have chosen not to name them. The reason I have not done so is
not out of respect for them but rather on account of a desire to focus
on behaviour which might be seen displayed by anyone. For me, seeing
such behaviour in a fellow AA reminds me that fthat person is as unable
as I am to be always be making use of AA's suggestions. At one time, I
harshly judged that person, Nowadays, it is right for me to not always
harshly judge folk who cannot always practice what they preach.

Sheenah

[Gregg Fowler]

I don't object to posting AA info, I might learn something. What I tire of
is the lecturing and bickering that continues to go on, when one person
bashes the other with a quote from the Big Book. I well know what is in
the book and the intent of how it is meant to be applied. I don't use AA
primarily in my abstinence, but I have done quite a bit of work in the
past, but that is past. What seems to go on and on and on and on in this
group is childish bickering between three or four people. I am not calling
anyone childish, but we can all act as such at times can't we? I do
appreciate talk about how AA principles or any other principles aid one in
staying sober or living a good life, but this AA one upmanship is really
just silly. Step out of the dynamic and look at it for what it really is..
All this is stated with good intentions.

Gregg

On Thu, 05 May 2005 17:42:42 -0500, Sheenah <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
> "Gregg Fowler" <totfitNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:op.sqbms0xa7vxwgx@totfitmachine.500ash01.tn.c omcast...
>
> This isn't an AA group. This is a newsgroup for alcoholism recovery.
>
> True. Therefore it is an appropriate forum to raise issues based on
> AA's teachings as well as teachings from other recovery sources.
>
> If you object to the posting of AA info, we may look forward to seeing
> from you many objections to the frequent posting of extracts from AA
> literature ?
>
> Sheenah
>
>



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[rosie read n' post]

> Rosie,
>
> What is your opinion of the person who chose to make the comments I
have
> quoted ?. Do you think that they were made by someone who was at the
> time they made them practicing AA's principles in all their affairs ?
>
>

arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be
indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing
infinite amounts of free time.
................................ Neil Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

[Mike]

"Sheenah" <JBcatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:d5e0qu$e51$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
:
: "Mike" <elzoid@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:lPuee.20$Ib4.13@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
: > Sheenah.
: >
: > Why are you doing this. Oh, now it's clear. YOU get anything you want
: > whether or not it's legitimate or hurtful. This sort of Inquisition
: only
: > hurts this group.
: >
: > Please start impugning me so that a may totally ignore you.
: >
: > --
: > Best Regards,
: > Mike
:
: Dear Mike,
:
: Assuining that you believe in the importance of treating everyone
: equally, I will ask you to share your thoughts on the following
: comments, all of which were made by an AAer whose experience of AA and
: the way of life that AA's teachings encourage is far greater than mine,
: in this NG within the last 18 months: The comments are not based on
: fact. For them to be based on fact, the person who made them would have
: needed to be able to see at first hand the situation of each person they
: have commented on. They were in not the position to do so:
: .
: "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
: koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
: it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
: off his dry drunk."
:
: "drunk again, huh bob?"
:
: "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
: concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
:
: "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
: her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
: CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
: him/her, but until then.......................ick!
:
: "you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
: your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
: you, but you truly are running out of
: excuses........................")
:
: "moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
: taking sleeping pills".
:
: "jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
: started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
: the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
: ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
: crap that is spewed by him/her".
:
: "i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
: play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
: player............i don't know what you call it over
: there.....................just pathetic"
:
: "JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
: disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"
:
: "harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."
:
: "JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
: the he/she tries to stir up............................"
:
: "JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
: are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
: ------
:
: As yet, I have been unable to find in a AA literature anything which has
: caused me think that comments such as the above are encouraged by the
: lessons/advice which that literature contains.
:
: I have no trouble believing that such comments merely act as proof that
: no-one in AA is able to at all times practice AA's principles in all
: their affairs.
:
: Sheenah
:

The only thing I really believe in is treating people...never mind. I said
what I had to say and I'm done with it.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

[Darren]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:j0cae.1269$Y46.739@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Hello again,
>
> After my last attempt went screwy.... well lets say a month of beering and
> i'm done.... tomorrow begins chapter 2...
>
> This is a fucking hard lesson to learn!!!
>
> I'll be back!!!
>
> B
>
> :)
>
>
keep at it John. What keeps me sober is the thought of going through all
this shit again. :)

Darren

[El Greco]

Gregg Fowler wrote:

> I don't object to posting AA info, I might learn something. What I tire
> of is the lecturing and bickering that continues to go on, when one
> person bashes the other with a quote from the Big Book. I well know
> what is in the book and the intent of how it is meant to be applied. I
> don't use AA primarily in my abstinence, but I have done quite a bit of
> work in the past, but that is past. What seems to go on and on and on
> and on in this group is childish bickering between three or four
> people. I am not calling anyone childish, but we can all act as such at
> times can't we? I do appreciate talk about how AA principles or any
> other principles aid one in staying sober or living a good life, but
> this AA one upmanship is really just silly. Step out of the dynamic and
> look at it for what it really is.. All this is stated with good
> intentions.
>
> Gregg

Gregg for real fun you should go hang out in alt.support.stop-smoking!
The flame wars there get all out know down drag out. This is nothing.
It is after all, usenet.