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[Gail]

Hi Darren. Hope you aren't pissed at me. I was exactly like you were in
those first weeks and/or maybe even years. So far, you haven't said anything
in here that me or someone else hasn't felt at one time.
I did notice that you got defensive. That is ok. I still do it. I have
gotten better at not doing it so much. I learned that it was ok to get
angry. I was also made aware of how I reacted to that anger. Most of the
time, when I was drinking, I would show those MF's. I'll get drunk and then
call them in the middle of the night and cuss them out or I'll show them and
I will stay home from work today, get drunk and make it hard on the person
that pissed me off the day before. On and on and on.
What I am trying to say is that you said you hadn't grown a shell yet. I
learned that people are not always going to say or do what I want or expect
them to do. Things are not always going to go my way. I do get angry about
it. It is how I react to that anger that used to get me in trouble. I used
to drink over a lot less than what was said to you in that thread. You
probably did , too. That is a good start that you didn't drink over any of
it. It isn't much different in here than it is in real life. Maybe your
growing that shell a little bit? Now, when someone in here pisses me off I
try to stop, take five or ten and them reply and hopefully I don't sound to
damn angry. I am more aware of my actions, now. I am also aware that I am
not always right, either.
I will say this, Robert used to piss me off a lot. God, I thought "how can
he be such a jerk to me." Today, I am so grateful that he did call me on my
crap. Robert made me more aware of my behavior and called me on my whining
and I have whined a lot in here through the past five years. I believe that
down the road you will be able to look back at that thread and laugh at
yourself. God knows I have laughed at some, no, a lot of my past post and
what I said.
Take care and don't drink.
Gail

[Darren]

Gail wrote:
<snip>

No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see loads of
people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of monkeys
chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and going to
bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry all the
time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more patient
sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is still
growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I know Bob
means well but he should remember that what he has been through, people like
me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I was an
alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)

> Take care and don't drink.
> Gail
Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail. It means
a lot.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Gail]

Darren wrote:
> Gail wrote:
> <snip>
>
> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
loads of
> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
monkeys
> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
going to
> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
all the
> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
patient
> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
still
> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
know Bob
> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
people like
> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
was an
> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>
> > Take care and don't drink.
> > Gail
> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
It means
> a lot.
> --
> -
> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
parts to it so be sure to read them all.
Take care.

http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm

[Scott W.]

In article <1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com says...
>
> Darren wrote:
> > Gail wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> loads of
> > people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> > knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> monkeys
> > chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> going to
> > bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> all the
> > time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> patient
> > sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> still
> > growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> know Bob
> > means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> people like
> > me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> was an
> > alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >
> > > Take care and don't drink.
> > > Gail
> > Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> It means
> > a lot.
> > --
> > -
> > Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>
> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> Take care.
>
> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>
>
Is it really necessary to emphasize all of the
'potential' negative sides to sobering up? It's
a proven fact that if someone obsesses over any
given symptoms, they'll start developing those
symptoms. What are you trying to do with this?
"Better keep a bottle of Jack handy just in case
I get PAW!" I just don't see how that is helpful.
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[rosie read n' post]

: Is it really necessary to emphasize all of the
: 'potential' negative sides to sobering up?




well, that IS how terry gorski makes his money!
:)

actually he does have some good things to say, but he generally goes
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to overboard.
i used some of his stuff when i was structuring and AFTER CARE
program, and it worked quite well.








It's
: a proven fact that if someone obsesses over any
: given symptoms, they'll start developing those
: symptoms. What are you trying to do with this?
: "Better keep a bottle of Jack handy just in case
: I get PAW!" I just don't see how that is helpful.
: --
: Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that
would be
: nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
:
:
:
: http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[rosie read n' post]

:.................. the last week was hell because of the thousands
of monkeys
: chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
going to
: bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy.


darren,
have you heard about
HALTS?

Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired, Sick.
get plenty of rest, eat well, get out of the house and meet folks
for coffee before and after AA meetings etc.

[Gail]

"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:398epkF5sop67U17@individual.net...
> In article <1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
> serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> Darren wrote:
>> > Gail wrote:
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
>> loads of
>> > people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
>> > knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
>> monkeys
>> > chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
>> going to
>> > bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
>> all the
>> > time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
>> patient
>> > sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
>> still
>> > growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>> know Bob
>> > means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>> people like
>> > me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
>> was an
>> > alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>> >
>> > > Take care and don't drink.
>> > > Gail
>> > Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
>> It means
>> > a lot.
>> > --
>> > -
>> > Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>>
>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
>> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
>> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>> Take care.
>>
>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>
>>
> Is it really necessary to emphasize all of the
> 'potential' negative sides to sobering up? It's
> a proven fact that if someone obsesses over any
> given symptoms, they'll start developing those
> symptoms. What are you trying to do with this?
> "Better keep a bottle of Jack handy just in case
> I get PAW!" I just don't see how that is helpful.
> --
> Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
> nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
>
>
>
> http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

Hi Scott. For a long time I would go to AA and hear people say that if I
didn't drink things would get better. I thought that things would get better
immediately. No one told me that it would probably get worse before it got
better and I had no idea what the heck was going on. I couldn't keep my
balance, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't concentrate, I couldn't eat, I was
angry, etc. etc. I found out about PAWS in treatment, not AA. AA people
would just say that it would get better, just don't drink, go to meetings
and get a sponsor. Even so, I still didn't know why I was feeling the way I
felt and for many years went back to drinking after experiencing some of the
symptoms of PAWS. There is no way to sugar coat getting sober. It ain't a
bed of roses those first days, months and even years and I, for one, will
not give someone the impression that it is. Knowing what is going on with
you can be helpful. If someone reads about PAWS, starts developing *ALL* the
symptoms, then they may have another problem such as hypochondriac(sp).
Best,
Gail

[rosie read n' post]

: Hi Scott. For a long time I would go to AA and hear people say
that if I
: didn't drink things would get better. I thought that things would
get better
: immediately. No one told me that it would probably get worse
before it got
: better and I had no idea what the heck was going on. I couldn't
keep my
: balance, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't concentrate, I couldn't eat,
I was
: angry, etc. etc. I found out about PAWS in treatment, not AA. AA
people
: would just say that it would get better, just don't drink, go to
meetings
: and get a sponsor. Even so, I still didn't know why I was feeling
the way I
: felt and for many years went back to drinking after experiencing
some of the
: symptoms of PAWS. There is no way to sugar coat getting sober. It
ain't a
: bed of roses those first days, months and even years and I, for
one, will
: not give someone the impression that it is. Knowing what is going
on with
: you can be helpful. If someone reads about PAWS, starts developing
*ALL* the
: symptoms, then they may have another problem such as
hypochondriac(sp).
: Best,
: Gail
:
:

:)

[Darren]

I answered that questionnaire and I am in late stage addiction. No surprise
there.

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Darren wrote:
> > Gail wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> loads of
> > people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> > knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> monkeys
> > chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> going to
> > bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> all the
> > time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> patient
> > sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> still
> > growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> know Bob
> > means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> people like
> > me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> was an
> > alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >
> > > Take care and don't drink.
> > > Gail
> > Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> It means
> > a lot.
> > --
> > -
> > Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>
> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> Take care.
>
> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>

[Darren]

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:SRDXd.22359$3V3.9882@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> :.................. the last week was hell because of the thousands
> of monkeys
> : chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> going to
> : bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy.
>
>
> darren,
> have you heard about
> HALTS?
>
> Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired, Sick.
> get plenty of rest, eat well, get out of the house and meet folks
> for coffee before and after AA meetings etc.

Well I eat ok and I don't drink coffee but all the others, I need to
improve on.

Thanks for that, Rosie. :)

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[rosie read n' post]

if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and although
some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that is
EXACTLY what i did.
after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.

--
rosie

http://www.commonsensemom.com/








"Darren" <Darren@fake-e-mail.net> wrote in message
news:d0n75v$89d$0@pita.alt.net...
: "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:SRDXd.22359$3V3.9882@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > :.................. the last week was hell because of the
thousands
: > of monkeys
: > : chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that
and
: > going to
: > : bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy.
: >
: >
: > darren,
: > have you heard about
: > HALTS?
: >
: > Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired, Sick.
: > get plenty of rest, eat well, get out of the house and meet
folks
: > for coffee before and after AA meetings etc.
:
: Well I eat ok and I don't drink coffee but all the others, I need
to
: improve on.
:
: Thanks for that, Rosie. :)
:
: --
: -
: Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
me.
:
:

[Darren]

rosie read n' post wrote:
> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and although
> some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that is
> EXACTLY what i did.
> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[rosie read n' post]

that is just fine........................btw, chanting the serenity
prayer STILL works for me!
keep up your great work!

--
rosie

http://www.commonsensemom.com/








"Darren" <Darren@fake-e-mail.net> wrote in message
news:d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net...
: rosie read n' post wrote:
: > if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
although
: > some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that
is
: > EXACTLY what i did.
: > after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
: > i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
: I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
: --
: -
: Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
me.
:
:

[Darren]

rosie read n' post wrote:
> that is just fine........................btw, chanting the serenity
> prayer STILL works for me!
> keep up your great work!
22 days today, Rosie. It's been a struggle but I won't say any more on that
because fate will come back to bite me. :) on the 16th I will celebrate my
first month of sobriety assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then.
EEEEKK one day at a time. Bad thoughts go away, bad thoughts go away..

Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me, recovering/recovered
alcoholics are the best people in the world. You're all terrific.

-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <AREXd.14588$gH.8914@fe07.lga>, zserenity6850_2000@yahoo.com
says...
>
> "Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
> news:398epkF5sop67U17@individual.net...
> > In article <1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
> > serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> Darren wrote:
> >> > Gail wrote:
> >> > <snip>
> >> >
> >> > No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> >> loads of
> >> > people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> >> > knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> >> monkeys
> >> > chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> >> going to
> >> > bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> >> all the
> >> > time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> >> patient
> >> > sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> >> still
> >> > growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >> know Bob
> >> > means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >> people like
> >> > me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> >> was an
> >> > alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >> >
> >> > > Take care and don't drink.
> >> > > Gail
> >> > Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> >> It means
> >> > a lot.
> >> > --
> >> > -
> >> > Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
> >>
> >> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> >> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> >> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >> Take care.
> >>
> >> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>
> >>
> > Is it really necessary to emphasize all of the
> > 'potential' negative sides to sobering up? It's
> > a proven fact that if someone obsesses over any
> > given symptoms, they'll start developing those
> > symptoms. What are you trying to do with this?
> > "Better keep a bottle of Jack handy just in case
> > I get PAW!" I just don't see how that is helpful.
> > --
> > Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
> > nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
>
> Hi Scott. For a long time I would go to AA and hear people say that if I
> didn't drink things would get better. I thought that things would get better
> immediately. No one told me that it would probably get worse before it got
> better and I had no idea what the heck was going on. I couldn't keep my
> balance, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't concentrate, I couldn't eat, I was
> angry, etc. etc.

Ja, but when I AM drinking, guess what? I can't keep
my balance, I can't sleep right, I can't concentrate,
I stay angry and I can't sleep! And you sound as if
you're saying, 'ok, you stopped drinking successfully
for a long period of time but guess what? you're going
to suffer PAWS which is a "Syndrome". And 75% - 95%
"PAWS Rate"? Wow! I bet someone really did a comprehensive
study to come up with those numbers! LOL

> I found out about PAWS in treatment, not AA. AA people
> would just say that it would get better, just don't drink, go to meetings
> and get a sponsor.

Those are at least things that they can do with certainty. So,
now the "recovery industry" throws some silly thing out there
to sell books prolly bilk insurance companies some more if
they can. Now you can stay up all night worrying if you've
got PAWS. And the thing that amazes me is that the only
cure for "PAWS" is .....wait.... more booze!


--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <%EFXd.1$hu3.0@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, readandpost@yahoo.com
says...
> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and although
> some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that is
> EXACTLY what i did.
> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
>
>
That's prolly cuz alcohol is nearly pure sugar. Every time
I wanna dive into the icecream carton, I tell myself "acquired
diabetes!"
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> rosie read n' post wrote:
> > if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and although
> > some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that is
> > EXACTLY what i did.
> > after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> > i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
>
Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0ncsu$ljr$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> rosie read n' post wrote:
> > that is just fine........................btw, chanting the serenity
> > prayer STILL works for me!
> > keep up your great work!
> 22 days today, Rosie. It's been a struggle but I won't say any more on that
> because fate will come back to bite me. :) on the 16th I will celebrate my
> first month of sobriety assuming nothing goes wrong between now and then.
> EEEEKK one day at a time. Bad thoughts go away, bad thoughts go away..

I think that I've been really good over the last year or so. Still
falling off the wagon every few months and kicking myself in the
ass. If you f*ck up, try not to kick yourself in the ass too hard.

> Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me, recovering/recovered
> alcoholics are the best people in the world. You're all terrific.
>
You must hang around a better class of drunks than I do!

--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0ncsu$ljr$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> rosie read n' post wrote:
>>> that is just fine........................btw, chanting the serenity
>>> prayer STILL works for me!
>>> keep up your great work!
>> 22 days today, Rosie. It's been a struggle but I won't say any more
>> on that because fate will come back to bite me. :) on the 16th I
>> will celebrate my first month of sobriety assuming nothing goes
>> wrong between now and then. EEEEKK one day at a time. Bad thoughts
>> go away, bad thoughts go away..
>
> I think that I've been really good over the last year or so. Still
> falling off the wagon every few months and kicking myself in the
> ass. If you f*ck up, try not to kick yourself in the ass too hard.
Yeah I know some others who fell from grace and took a drink and they tear
themselves apart about it. Ok it was a bad thing to do but nobody got hurt
and tomorrow is another day. :)
>
>> Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me,
>> recovering/recovered alcoholics are the best people in the world.
>> You're all terrific.
>>
> You must hang around a better class of drunks than I do!
You seem pretty sound. :)

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> rosie read n' post wrote:
>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and although
>>> some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that is
>>> EXACTLY what i did.
>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
>>
> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a spotted dick
last night.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[rosie read n' post]

i agree with you darren, and so does my "normie"
husband...................

--
rosie

http://www.commonsensemom.com/








"Darren" <Darren@fake-e-mail.net> wrote in message
news:d0ncsu$ljr$0@pita.alt.net...

: Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me,
recovering/recovered
: alcoholics are the best people in the world. You're all terrific.
:
: -

[rosie read n' post]

: > Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me,
recovering/recovered
: > alcoholics are the best people in the world. You're all
terrific.
: >
: You must hang around a better class of drunks than I do!
:
: --


must be!
;)

[rosie read n' post]

you are correct.......................i weaned off my ice cream
gradually!
;)

--
rosie

http://www.commonsensemom.com/








"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:398v2cF5sq6lnU5@individual.net...
: In article <%EFXd.1$hu3.0@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
readandpost@yahoo.com
: says...
: > if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
although
: > some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that
is
: > EXACTLY what i did.
: > after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
: > i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
: >
: >
: That's prolly cuz alcohol is nearly pure sugar. Every time
: I wanna dive into the icecream carton, I tell myself "acquired
: diabetes!"
: --
: Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that
would be
: nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
:
:
:
: http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Gail]

>> Hi Scott. For a long time I would go to AA and hear people say that if I
>> didn't drink things would get better. I thought that things would get
>> better
>> immediately. No one told me that it would probably get worse before it
>> got
>> better and I had no idea what the heck was going on. I couldn't keep my
>> balance, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't concentrate, I couldn't eat, I was
>> angry, etc. etc.
>
> Ja, but when I AM drinking, guess what? I can't keep
> my balance, I can't sleep right, I can't concentrate,
> I stay angry and I can't sleep!

Exactly. So I couldn't figure out why I was still feeling all those things
and I wasn't drinking.


And you sound as if
> you're saying, 'ok, you stopped drinking successfully
> for a long period of time but guess what? you're going
> to suffer PAWS which is a "Syndrome".

I never said for a long time and I don't believe the web site did either.
Also, no one is going to suffer ALL the symptoms and some may not suffer any
or for very long at all. At least, not the confusion, sleeplessness appetite
and a few more.

And 75% - 95% "PAWS Rate"? Wow! I bet someone really did a comprehensive
> study to come up with those numbers! LOL

So, you don't believe in treatment and statistics?


>> I found out about PAWS in treatment, not AA. AA people
>> would just say that it would get better, just don't drink, go to meetings
>> and get a sponsor.
>
> Those are at least things that they can do with certainty. So,
> now the "recovery industry" throws some silly thing out there
> to sell books prolly bilk insurance companies some more if
> they can. Now you can stay up all night worrying if you've
> got PAWS. And the thing that amazes me is that the only
> cure for "PAWS" is .....wait.... more booze!
>

Well, I might have paid for the advice while in treatment but, I gave it to
Darren freely and at no charge. I am not trying to make any money here. Just
wanted to help Darren be aware of SOME of the things that could go on with
him. Heck, he can even bring it up in his meetings and get their feedback.
Maybe if I had known some of this I might have asked about it in AA early on
and gotten the same feedback from the people in AA about what can happen and
how I would feel and what I might have been going through as I did in
treatment. Then maybe not.

[Darren]

rosie read n' post wrote:
> i agree with you darren, and so does my "normie"
> husband...................
>
>
>> Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me,
>> recovering/recovered alcoholics are the best people in the world.
>> You're all terrific.
>>
>> -
Nice one. :)
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[John Smith]

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Darren wrote:
>> Gail wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> loads of
>> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
>> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> monkeys
>> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> going to
>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> all the
>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> patient
>> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> still
>> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> know Bob
>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> people like
>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> was an
>> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>
>> > Take care and don't drink.
>> > Gail
>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> It means
>> a lot.
>> --
>> -
>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>
> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> Take care.
>
> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>
Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not coming
in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn PAW..."
"Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll get you
over it..."

Hmmm ;)

[Gail]

"John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> Darren wrote:
>>> Gail wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
>> loads of
>>> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
>>> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
>> monkeys
>>> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
>> going to
>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
>> all the
>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
>> patient
>>> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
>> still
>>> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>> know Bob
>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>> people like
>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
>> was an
>>> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>
>>> > Take care and don't drink.
>>> > Gail
>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
>> It means
>>> a lot.
>>> --
>>> -
>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>>
>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
>> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
>> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>> Take care.
>>
>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>
> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
> have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not
> coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn
> PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll
> get you over it..."
>
> Hmmm ;)
>

I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I did not
see anywhere in the article where it said to take up drinking again.
At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works for you
and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers and I
will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
Best wishes to you three,
Gail

[John Smith]

"Gail" <zserenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga...
>
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> Darren wrote:
>>>> Gail wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
>>> loads of
>>>> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
>>>> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
>>> monkeys
>>>> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
>>> going to
>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
>>> all the
>>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
>>> patient
>>>> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
>>> still
>>>> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>>> know Bob
>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>>> people like
>>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
>>> was an
>>>> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>>
>>>> > Take care and don't drink.
>>>> > Gail
>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
>>> It means
>>>> a lot.
>>>> --
>>>> -
>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>>>
>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
>>> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
>>> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>>> Take care.
>>>
>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>>
>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
>> have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not
>> coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn
>> PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll
>> get you over it..."
>>
>> Hmmm ;)
>>
>
> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I did
> not see anywhere in the article where it said to take up drinking again.
> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
> Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works for you
> and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers and I
> will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
> Best wishes to you three,
> Gail
It was a personal inferal.... i.e. heres the 1st website i've read that
describes some of the shit that *may* be coming... and of course
historically (and possibly or even probably...) i've always dealt with such
stuff using a very simple method... ummm i think it's one we all know lol

[John Smith]

"Gail" <zserenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga...
>
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> Darren wrote:
>>>> Gail wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
>>> loads of
>>>> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
>>>> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
>>> monkeys
>>>> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
>>> going to
>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
>>> all the
>>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
>>> patient
>>>> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
>>> still
>>>> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>>> know Bob
>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>>> people like
>>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
>>> was an
>>>> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>>
>>>> > Take care and don't drink.
>>>> > Gail
>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
>>> It means
>>>> a lot.
>>>> --
>>>> -
>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>>>
>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
>>> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
>>> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>>> Take care.
>>>
>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>>
>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
>> have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not
>> coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn
>> PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll
>> get you over it..."
>>
>> Hmmm ;)
>>
>
> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I did
> not see anywhere in the article where it said to take up drinking again.
> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
> Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works for you
> and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers and I
> will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
> Best wishes to you three,
> Gail
Oh and no offence meant... i did actually read it with interest....

Be Prepared... as they taught me in the scouts....

Damn.. I must remember that i was never a scout... It was all a dream...

B

[Darren]

John Smith wrote:
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> Darren wrote:
>>> Gail wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
>>> loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them,
>>> they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the
>>> thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made me
>>> very tired (that and
>> going to
>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
>> all the
>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
>>> patient sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That
>>> shell is still growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to
>>> be patient. I
>> know Bob
>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>> people like
>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew
>>> I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>
>>>> Take care and don't drink.
>>>> Gail
>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
>> It means
>>> a lot.
>>> --
>>> -
>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>>
>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly
>> go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are
>> three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>> Take care.
>>
>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>
> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now....
> i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm
> not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this
> damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i
> hear that'll get you over it..."
>
> Hmmm ;)

They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete insanity. ;)

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> John Smith wrote:
> > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>
> >> Darren wrote:
> >>> Gail wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> >>> loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them,
> >>> they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the
> >>> thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made me
> >>> very tired (that and
> >> going to
> >>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> >> all the
> >>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> >>> patient sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That
> >>> shell is still growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to
> >>> be patient. I
> >> know Bob
> >>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >> people like
> >>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew
> >>> I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>>
> >>>> Take care and don't drink.
> >>>> Gail
> >>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> >> It means
> >>> a lot.
> >>> --
> >>> -
> >>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
> >>
> >> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly
> >> go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are
> >> three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >> Take care.
> >>
> >> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>
> > Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now....
> > i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm
> > not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this
> > damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i
> > hear that'll get you over it..."
> >
> > Hmmm ;)
>
> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete insanity. ;)
>
>
And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga>, zserenity6850_2000
@yahoo.com says...
>
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>
> >> Darren wrote:
> >>> Gail wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> >> loads of
> >>> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> >>> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> >> monkeys
> >>> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> >> going to
> >>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> >> all the
> >>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> >> patient
> >>> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> >> still
> >>> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >> know Bob
> >>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >> people like
> >>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> >> was an
> >>> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>>
> >>> > Take care and don't drink.
> >>> > Gail
> >>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> >> It means
> >>> a lot.
> >>> --
> >>> -
> >>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
> >>
> >> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> >> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> >> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >> Take care.
> >>
> >> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>
> > Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
> > have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not
> > coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn
> > PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll
> > get you over it..."
> >
> > Hmmm ;)
> >
>
> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I did not
> see anywhere in the article where it said to take up drinking again.
> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)

I see nothing wrong with taking SSRI's or tranquilizers
if I need them. Wellbutrin is supposedly very helpful
for some people if the drinking was caused by depression
in the first place; especially if the 12 Step programs
are really a form of self psychoanalysis with a Spiritual
Twist.

> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers and I
> will not suggest anything else to you. ;)

Oh, I don't mind.


--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com says...
>
> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Darren wrote:
> >> Gail wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> > loads of
> >> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> >> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> > monkeys
> >> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> > going to
> >> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> > all the
> >> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> > patient
> >> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> > still
> >> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> > know Bob
> >> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> > people like
> >> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> > was an
> >> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>
> >> > Take care and don't drink.
> >> > Gail
> >> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> > It means
> >> a lot.
> >> --
> >> -
> >> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
> >
> > Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> > on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> > parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> > Take care.
> >
> > http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >
> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
> have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not coming
> in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn PAW..."
> "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll get you
> over it..."
>
> Hmmm ;)
>
ROTFLMAO! Yeah, make sure to look out for those PAW symptoms --might
stock up on a garage full of beer to help you out with that insomnia
and lack of coordination.

--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <cYIXd.6891$R37.3735@fe03.lga>, zserenity6850_2000@yahoo.com
says...
>
>
>
> >> Hi Scott. For a long time I would go to AA and hear people say that if I
> >> didn't drink things would get better. I thought that things would get
> >> better
> >> immediately. No one told me that it would probably get worse before it
> >> got
> >> better and I had no idea what the heck was going on. I couldn't keep my
> >> balance, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't concentrate, I couldn't eat, I was
> >> angry, etc. etc.
> >
> > Ja, but when I AM drinking, guess what? I can't keep
> > my balance, I can't sleep right, I can't concentrate,
> > I stay angry and I can't sleep!
>
> Exactly. So I couldn't figure out why I was still feeling all those things
> and I wasn't drinking.
>
Fair enough. I'm just not one to notice a pebble on the
sidewalk and spend 30 minutes analyzing why and how it is there.

>
> And you sound as if
> > you're saying, 'ok, you stopped drinking successfully
> > for a long period of time but guess what? you're going
> > to suffer PAWS which is a "Syndrome".
>
> I never said for a long time and I don't believe the web site did either.

Listen, Honey. I'm sure that you mean well, but, Please
don't get me too tedious. This is from the website you
posted the link to.

"Use of alcohol or other drugs can temporarily reverse the symptoms of
the damage. If alcoholics drink, or drug addicts use, they will think
clearly for a little while, be able to have normal feelings and emotions
for a little while, feel healthy for a little while."

Can you see how tempting then it would be for a sober alcoholic
to want to have a nip if he was "having feelings of insanity".


> Also, no one is going to suffer ALL the symptoms and some may not suffer any
> or for very long at all. At least, not the confusion, sleeplessness appetite
> and a few more.
>
> And 75% - 95% "PAWS Rate"? Wow! I bet someone really did a comprehensive
> > study to come up with those numbers! LOL
>
> So, you don't believe in treatment and statistics?
>

Wow! Is that a loaded question? Yes, I believe in statistics, but,
I also believe that there should be a little narrower of a margin
there. "Treatment"? If you mean, detoxing in a safe way, counseling,
support groups and a proper diet, sure I believe in "treatment" if
"treatment" is necessary. I'm not against it anyway. Who Would be?

>
> >> I found out about PAWS in treatment, not AA. AA people
> >> would just say that it would get better, just don't drink, go to meetings
> >> and get a sponsor.
> >
> > Those are at least things that they can do with certainty. So,
> > now the "recovery industry" throws some silly thing out there
> > to sell books prolly bilk insurance companies some more if
> > they can. Now you can stay up all night worrying if you've
> > got PAWS. And the thing that amazes me is that the only
> > cure for "PAWS" is .....wait.... more booze!
> >
>
> Well, I might have paid for the advice while in treatment but, I gave it to
> Darren freely and at no charge. I am not trying to make any money here. Just
> wanted to help Darren be aware of SOME of the things that could go on with
> him. Heck, he can even bring it up in his meetings and get their feedback.
> Maybe if I had known some of this I might have asked about it in AA early on
> and gotten the same feedback from the people in AA about what can happen and
> how I would feel and what I might have been going through as I did in
> treatment. Then maybe not.
>
You offered me the same information last year as I was becoming
more and more surprised at my ability to maintain sobriety. You
still don't seem to understand my reaction.

--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <1jIXd.17$hu3.1@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, readandpost@yahoo.com
says...
> you are correct.......................i weaned off my ice cream
> gradually!
> ;)
>
>
My personal favorite is the Bryers Reces Penutbutter
Cup stuff. That should be illegal. What's yours?
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> rosie read n' post wrote:
> >>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and although
> >>> some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice cream, that is
> >>> EXACTLY what i did.
> >>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> >>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> >> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
> >>
> > Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> > Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a spotted dick
> last night.
>
What did you use to clear that up?
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0nj1t$alg$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0ncsu$ljr$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> rosie read n' post wrote:
> >>> that is just fine........................btw, chanting the serenity
> >>> prayer STILL works for me!
> >>> keep up your great work!
> >> 22 days today, Rosie. It's been a struggle but I won't say any more
> >> on that because fate will come back to bite me. :) on the 16th I
> >> will celebrate my first month of sobriety assuming nothing goes
> >> wrong between now and then. EEEEKK one day at a time. Bad thoughts
> >> go away, bad thoughts go away..
> >
> > I think that I've been really good over the last year or so. Still
> > falling off the wagon every few months and kicking myself in the
> > ass. If you f*ck up, try not to kick yourself in the ass too hard.
> Yeah I know some others who fell from grace and took a drink and they tear
> themselves apart about it. Ok it was a bad thing to do but nobody got hurt
> and tomorrow is another day. :)


I have a very good friend who goes to AA. She slipped
and got drunk and was crying her eyes out, convinced
that she had "lost" 10 years of sobriety!

> >
> >> Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me,
> >> recovering/recovered alcoholics are the best people in the world.
> >> You're all terrific.
> >>
> > You must hang around a better class of drunks than I do!
> You seem pretty sound. :)
>
It takes a lot of effort!

>

--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> John Smith wrote:
>>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Darren wrote:
>>>>> Gail wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
>>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
>>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
>>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made
>>>>> me very tired (that and
>>>> going to
>>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
>>>>> angry all the time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but
>>>>> I am a lot more patient sober than I was when drunk but still
>>>>> very sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is coming. I
>>>>> suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>>>> know Bob
>>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>>>>> people like me are still going through and we can't skip past it.
>>>>> I never knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
>>>>>> Gail
>>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
>>>>> Gail. It means a lot.
>>>>> --
>>>>> -
>>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
>>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
>>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
>>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>>>> Take care.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>>>
>>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now....
>>> i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah
>>> i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's
>>> this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up
>>> drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
>>>
>>> Hmmm ;)
>>
>> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete
>> insanity. ;)
>>
>>
> And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.

No sign of the thousand monkeys and the loud shouting either. Hmmm.

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0nj1t$alg$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>>> In article <d0ncsu$ljr$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>> says...
>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
>>>>> that is just fine........................btw, chanting the
>>>>> serenity prayer STILL works for me!
>>>>> keep up your great work!
>>>> 22 days today, Rosie. It's been a struggle but I won't say any more
>>>> on that because fate will come back to bite me. :) on the 16th I
>>>> will celebrate my first month of sobriety assuming nothing goes
>>>> wrong between now and then. EEEEKK one day at a time. Bad thoughts
>>>> go away, bad thoughts go away..
>>>
>>> I think that I've been really good over the last year or so. Still
>>> falling off the wagon every few months and kicking myself in the
>>> ass. If you f*ck up, try not to kick yourself in the ass too hard.
>> Yeah I know some others who fell from grace and took a drink and
>> they tear themselves apart about it. Ok it was a bad thing to do but
>> nobody got hurt and tomorrow is another day. :)
>
>
> I have a very good friend who goes to AA. She slipped
> and got drunk and was crying her eyes out, convinced
> that she had "lost" 10 years of sobriety!

Hardly. We all make mistakes. I know some at our meetings that think the
same way. It's not the end of the world.
>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your support Rosie. Methinks other than me,
>>>> recovering/recovered alcoholics are the best people in the world.
>>>> You're all terrific.
>>>>
>>> You must hang around a better class of drunks than I do!
>> You seem pretty sound. :)
>>
> It takes a lot of effort!

I know how you feel.

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>> says...
>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
>>>>
>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
>> spotted dick last night.
>>
> What did you use to clear that up?

Custard and a spoon

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[rosie read n' post]

: > At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
:
: I see nothing wrong with taking SSRI's or tranquilizers
: if I need them.


i don't think gail meant SSRI's .........................

[rosie read n' post]

my old favorite was a HUGE TURTLE SUNDAE...................

--
rosie










"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:399k92F5vnoi2U7@individual.net...
: In article <1jIXd.17$hu3.1@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
readandpost@yahoo.com
: says...
: > you are correct.......................i weaned off my ice cream
: > gradually!
: > ;)
: >
: >
: My personal favorite is the Bryers Reces Penutbutter
: Cup stuff. That should be illegal. What's yours?
: --
: Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that
would be
: nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
:
:
:
: http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <z0YXd.7038$2j5.3293@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
readandpost@yahoo.com says...
>
>
> : > At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
> :
> : I see nothing wrong with taking SSRI's or tranquilizers
> : if I need them.
>
>
> i don't think gail meant SSRI's .........................
>
>
>
What then?
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <I4YXd.7039$2j5.2928@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
readandpost@yahoo.com says...
> my old favorite was a HUGE TURTLE SUNDAE...................
>
>
I'd better test my blood sugar after thinkin bout that.
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0p3ko$7fk$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> John Smith wrote:
> >>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>>>
> >>>> Darren wrote:
> >>>>> Gail wrote:
> >>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
> >>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
> >>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
> >>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made
> >>>>> me very tired (that and
> >>>> going to
> >>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
> >>>>> angry all the time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but
> >>>>> I am a lot more patient sober than I was when drunk but still
> >>>>> very sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is coming. I
> >>>>> suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >>>> know Bob
> >>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >>>>> people like me are still going through and we can't skip past it.
> >>>>> I never knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
> >>>>>> Gail
> >>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
> >>>>> Gail. It means a lot.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
> >>>>> me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
> >>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
> >>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >>>> Take care.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>>>
> >>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now....
> >>> i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah
> >>> i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's
> >>> this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up
> >>> drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm ;)
> >>
> >> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete
> >> insanity. ;)
> >>
> >>
> > And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.
>
> No sign of the thousand monkeys and the loud shouting either. Hmmm.
>
>
OH, I heard those too but it was coming from the neighbors.
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0p3ko$7fk$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>>> In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>> says...
>>>> John Smith wrote:
>>>>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darren wrote:
>>>>>>> Gail wrote:
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
>>>>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
>>>>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
>>>>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It
>>>>>>> made me very tired (that and
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
>>>>>>> angry all the time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing
>>>>>>> but I am a lot more patient sober than I was when drunk but
>>>>>>> still very sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is
>>>>>>> coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>>>>>> know Bob
>>>>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>>>>>>> people like me are still going through and we can't skip past
>>>>>>> it. I never knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
>>>>>>>> Gail
>>>>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
>>>>>>> Gail. It means a lot.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
>>>>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
>>>>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
>>>>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
>>>>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
>>>>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered
>>>>> taking up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm ;)
>>>>
>>>> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete
>>>> insanity. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.
>>
>> No sign of the thousand monkeys and the loud shouting either. Hmmm.
>>
>>
> OH, I heard those too but it was coming from the neighbors.

mine was the thousand monkeys in my head and the two imps on my shoulder.
The red one was telling me to drink and the blue one was telling the red one
to f*** off. :) It never bothered speaking to me. :)

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> Scott W. wrote:
> >>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>> says...
> >>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
> >>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
> >>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
> >>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
> >>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> >>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> >>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
> >>>>
> >>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
> >> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> >>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
> >> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
> >> spotted dick last night.
> >>
> > What did you use to clear that up?
>
> Custard and a spoon
>
>
Such a primitive healthcare system!
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>>> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>> says...
>>>> Scott W. wrote:
>>>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
>>>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
>>>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
>>>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
>>>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
>>>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
>>>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
>>>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
>>>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
>>>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
>>>> spotted dick last night.
>>>>
>>> What did you use to clear that up?
>>
>> Custard and a spoon
>>
>>
> Such a primitive healthcare system!
You should see how they deal with piles.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d0qkek$68l$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> Scott W. wrote:
> >>> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>> says...
> >>>> Scott W. wrote:
> >>>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
> >>>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
> >>>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
> >>>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
> >>>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> >>>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> >>>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
> >>>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> >>>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
> >>>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
> >>>> spotted dick last night.
> >>>>
> >>> What did you use to clear that up?
> >>
> >> Custard and a spoon
> >>
> >>
> > Such a primitive healthcare system!
> You should see how they deal with piles.
>
Vodka enema? They do that here too.
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0q4dd$lvf$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0p3ko$7fk$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> Scott W. wrote:
> >>> In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>> says...
> >>>> John Smith wrote:
> >>>>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Darren wrote:
> >>>>>>> Gail wrote:
> >>>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
> >>>>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
> >>>>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
> >>>>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It
> >>>>>>> made me very tired (that and
> >>>>>> going to
> >>>>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
> >>>>>>> angry all the time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing
> >>>>>>> but I am a lot more patient sober than I was when drunk but
> >>>>>>> still very sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is
> >>>>>>> coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >>>>>> know Bob
> >>>>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >>>>>>> people like me are still going through and we can't skip past
> >>>>>>> it. I never knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
> >>>>>>>> Gail
> >>>>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
> >>>>>>> Gail. It means a lot.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
> >>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
> >>>>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
> >>>>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >>>>>> Take care.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
> >>>>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
> >>>>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
> >>>>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered
> >>>>> taking up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hmmm ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete
> >>>> insanity. ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.
> >>
> >> No sign of the thousand monkeys and the loud shouting either. Hmmm.
> >>
> >>
> > OH, I heard those too but it was coming from the neighbors.
>
> mine was the thousand monkeys in my head and the two imps on my shoulder.
> The red one was telling me to drink and the blue one was telling the red one
> to f*** off. :) It never bothered speaking to me. :)
>
>
If they start gettin in on, don't look. Just keep your
eyes on the road.
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0q4dd$lvf$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>>> In article <d0p3ko$7fk$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>> says...
>>>> Scott W. wrote:
>>>>> In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> John Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darren wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gail wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby.
>>>>>>>>> I see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I
>>>>>>>>> tell them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell
>>>>>>>>> because of the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in
>>>>>>>>> my head. It made me very tired (that and
>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
>>>>>>>>> angry all the time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing
>>>>>>>>> but I am a lot more patient sober than I was when drunk but
>>>>>>>>> still very sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is
>>>>>>>>> coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>>>>>>>> know Bob
>>>>>>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been
>>>>>>>>> through, people like me are still going through and we can't
>>>>>>>>> skip past it. I never knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped
>>>>>>>>> drinking. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
>>>>>>>>>> Gail
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
>>>>>>>>> Gail. It means a lot.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do
>>>>>>>>> for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
>>>>>>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
>>>>>>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>>>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
>>>>>>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
>>>>>>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
>>>>>>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered
>>>>>>> taking up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete
>>>>>> insanity. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.
>>>>
>>>> No sign of the thousand monkeys and the loud shouting either. Hmmm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OH, I heard those too but it was coming from the neighbors.
>>
>> mine was the thousand monkeys in my head and the two imps on my
>> shoulder. The red one was telling me to drink and the blue one was
>> telling the red one to f*** off. :) It never bothered speaking to
>> me. :)
>>
>>
> If they start gettin in on, don't look. Just keep your
> eyes on the road.
The blue one keep walking off in a huff. I wonder if those toxins have
finally reached my brain.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d0qkek$68l$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>>> In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>> says...
>>>> Scott W. wrote:
>>>>> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> Scott W. wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
>>>>>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
>>>>>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
>>>>>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
>>>>>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
>>>>>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
>>>>>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
>>>>>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
>>>>>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
>>>>>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
>>>>>> spotted dick last night.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What did you use to clear that up?
>>>>
>>>> Custard and a spoon
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Such a primitive healthcare system!
>> You should see how they deal with piles.
>>
> Vodka enema? They do that here too.
No it involves barbed wire, gravy and a very hungry dog.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d0qqhf$qnl$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0q4dd$lvf$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> Scott W. wrote:
> >>> In article <d0p3ko$7fk$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>> says...
> >>>> Scott W. wrote:
> >>>>> In article <d0nvhe$eml$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>> John Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Darren wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Gail wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby.
> >>>>>>>>> I see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I
> >>>>>>>>> tell them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell
> >>>>>>>>> because of the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in
> >>>>>>>>> my head. It made me very tired (that and
> >>>>>>>> going to
> >>>>>>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
> >>>>>>>>> angry all the time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing
> >>>>>>>>> but I am a lot more patient sober than I was when drunk but
> >>>>>>>>> still very sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is
> >>>>>>>>> coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >>>>>>>> know Bob
> >>>>>>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been
> >>>>>>>>> through, people like me are still going through and we can't
> >>>>>>>>> skip past it. I never knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped
> >>>>>>>>> drinking. :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
> >>>>>>>>>> Gail
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
> >>>>>>>>> Gail. It means a lot.
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do
> >>>>>>>>> for me.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
> >>>>>>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
> >>>>>>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >>>>>>>> Take care.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
> >>>>>>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
> >>>>>>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
> >>>>>>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered
> >>>>>>> taking up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hmmm ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They mentioned mental numbness but forgot to mention complete
> >>>>>> insanity. ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> And they forgot to mention bein a grouchy mucker pucker.
> >>>>
> >>>> No sign of the thousand monkeys and the loud shouting either. Hmmm.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> OH, I heard those too but it was coming from the neighbors.
> >>
> >> mine was the thousand monkeys in my head and the two imps on my
> >> shoulder. The red one was telling me to drink and the blue one was
> >> telling the red one to f*** off. :) It never bothered speaking to
> >> me. :)
> >>
> >>
> > If they start gettin in on, don't look. Just keep your
> > eyes on the road.
> The blue one keep walking off in a huff. I wonder if those toxins have
> finally reached my brain.
>
They're here! Enjoy the your trip!
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <d0qqjn$qs2$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d0qkek$68l$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> >> Scott W. wrote:
> >>> In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>> says...
> >>>> Scott W. wrote:
> >>>>> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>> Scott W. wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> >>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
> >>>>>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
> >>>>>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
> >>>>>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> >>>>>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> >>>>>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
> >>>>>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> >>>>>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
> >>>>>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
> >>>>>> spotted dick last night.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> What did you use to clear that up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Custard and a spoon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Such a primitive healthcare system!
> >> You should see how they deal with piles.
> >>
> > Vodka enema? They do that here too.
> No it involves barbed wire, gravy and a very hungry dog.
>
Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAOIC!!!!!
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Darren]

"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:39d627F6009r2U3@individual.net...
> In article <d0qqjn$qs2$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> > Scott W. wrote:
> > > In article <d0qkek$68l$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> > >> Scott W. wrote:
> > >>> In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> > >>> says...
> > >>>> Scott W. wrote:
> > >>>>> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> > >>>>> says...
> > >>>>>> Scott W. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> > >>>>>>> says...
> > >>>>>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
> > >>>>>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
> > >>>>>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
> > >>>>>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> > >>>>>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> > >>>>>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
> > >>>>>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> > >>>>>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
> > >>>>>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
> > >>>>>> spotted dick last night.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> What did you use to clear that up?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Custard and a spoon
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> Such a primitive healthcare system!
> > >> You should see how they deal with piles.
> > >>
> > > Vodka enema? They do that here too.
> > No it involves barbed wire, gravy and a very hungry dog.
> >
> Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAOIC!!!!!
> --
> Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
> nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
>
I had piles one and went for treatment. When they brought the barbed wire
out, the piles ran away on their own and when the hungry dog came on the
scene I didn't stop to ask questions.


--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d0rqmu$4t7$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
>
> "Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
> news:39d627F6009r2U3@individual.net...
> > In article <d0qqjn$qs2$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> > > Scott W. wrote:
> > > > In article <d0qkek$68l$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net says...
> > > >> Scott W. wrote:
> > > >>> In article <d0p3pm$8at$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> > > >>> says...
> > > >>>> Scott W. wrote:
> > > >>>>> In article <d0nj58$b80$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> > > >>>>> says...
> > > >>>>>> Scott W. wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> In article <d0n9ke$d9f$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake-e-mail.net
> > > >>>>>>> says...
> > > >>>>>>>> rosie read n' post wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> if your like i was in early sobriety, i CRAVED sweets, and
> > > >>>>>>>>> although some say its not ok to satisfy that craving with ice
> > > >>>>>>>>> cream, that is EXACTLY what i did.
> > > >>>>>>>>> after my AA meetings, we would go out for ice cream.
> > > >>>>>>>>> i don't do that anymore, but at the time, it really helped.
> > > >>>>>>>> I eat more puddings than I used too. :)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Jello Puddin or that nasty English bloody greazy stuff?
> > > >>>>>> Greasy pudding? Would that be Yorkshire pudding your thinking of?
> > > >>>>>>> Eeeeeeewwwwwww!
> > > >>>>>> I dread to imagine what you might think when I tell you I had a
> > > >>>>>> spotted dick last night.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> What did you use to clear that up?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Custard and a spoon
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Such a primitive healthcare system!
> > > >> You should see how they deal with piles.
> > > >>
> > > > Vodka enema? They do that here too.
> > > No it involves barbed wire, gravy and a very hungry dog.
> > >
> > Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! ROTFLMAOIC!!!!!
> > --
> > Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
> > nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.
> >
> I had piles one and went for treatment. When they brought the barbed wire
> out, the piles ran away on their own and when the hungry dog came on the
> scene I didn't stop to ask questions.
>
>
>
ROTFLMAO!
--
Syd Barrett: (asked if he would enjoy playing again) Yes, that would be
nice. I used to enjoy it, it was a gas. But so's doing nothing.



http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/

[Scott W.]

In article <tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga>, zserenity6850_2000
@yahoo.com says...
>
> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>
> >> Darren wrote:
> >>> Gail wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I see
> >> loads of
> >>> people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell them, they smile
> >>> knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of the thousands of
> >> monkeys
> >>> chattering endlessly in my head. It made me very tired (that and
> >> going to
> >>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was angry
> >> all the
> >>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot more
> >> patient
> >>> sober than I was when drunk but still very sensitive. That shell is
> >> still
> >>> growing but it is coming. I suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >> know Bob
> >>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >> people like
> >>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never knew I
> >> was an
> >>> alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>>
> >>> > Take care and don't drink.
> >>> > Gail
> >>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post Gail.
> >> It means
> >>> a lot.
> >>> --
> >>> -
> >>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
> >>
> >> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could possibly go
> >> on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help you. There are three
> >> parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >> Take care.
> >>
> >> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>
> > Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months now.... i'll
> > have a new illness to take time off work with!!!... "Hi yeah i'm not
> > coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?" "Yeah it's this damn
> > PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking up drinking i hear that'll
> > get you over it..."
> >
> > Hmmm ;)
> >
>
> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I did not
> see anywhere in the article where it said to take up drinking again.
> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
> Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works for you
> and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers and I
> will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
> Best wishes to you three,
> Gail
>
Ok, now it all makes sense! You're the PAWS woman. Just
let it go and stop acting like a stood-up prom date.

--
"COUNCILOR" -- HST's Final Written Word

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga>, zserenity6850_2000
> @yahoo.com says...
>>
>> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> Darren wrote:
>>>>> Gail wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
>>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
>>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
>>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made
>>>>> me very tired (that and
>>>> going to
>>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
>>>>> angry
>>>> all the
>>>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot
>>>>> more patient sober than I was when drunk but still very
>>>>> sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is coming. I
>>>>> suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>>>> know Bob
>>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>>>> people like
>>>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never
>>>>> knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
>>>>>> Gail
>>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
>>>>> Gail.
>>>> It means
>>>>> a lot.
>>>>> --
>>>>> -
>>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
>>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
>>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
>>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>>>> Take care.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>>>>
>>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
>>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
>>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
>>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking
>>> up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
>>>
>>> Hmmm ;)
>>>
>>
>> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I
>> did not see anywhere in the article where it said to take up
>> drinking again.
>> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
>> Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works
>> for you and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
>> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers
>> and I will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
>> Best wishes to you three,
>> Gail
*UNplonks Gail*
Gail If I Upset you in any way then I didn't mean to and I'm sorry. Take
care

Thanks for posting that, Scott. I hate killfiling people, its another
resentment I don't need.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d1pdge$gb$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake.e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga>, zserenity6850_2000
> > @yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> >>>
> >>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>>>
> >>>> Darren wrote:
> >>>>> Gail wrote:
> >>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
> >>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
> >>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
> >>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made
> >>>>> me very tired (that and
> >>>> going to
> >>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
> >>>>> angry
> >>>> all the
> >>>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot
> >>>>> more patient sober than I was when drunk but still very
> >>>>> sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is coming. I
> >>>>> suppose I have to try to be patient. I
> >>>> know Bob
> >>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
> >>>> people like
> >>>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never
> >>>>> knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
> >>>>>> Gail
> >>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
> >>>>> Gail.
> >>>> It means
> >>>>> a lot.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
> >>>>> me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
> >>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
> >>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
> >>>> Take care.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
> >>>>
> >>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
> >>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
> >>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
> >>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking
> >>> up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm ;)
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I
> >> did not see anywhere in the article where it said to take up
> >> drinking again.
> >> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
> >> Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works
> >> for you and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
> >> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers
> >> and I will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
> >> Best wishes to you three,
> >> Gail
> *UNplonks Gail*
> Gail If I Upset you in any way then I didn't mean to and I'm sorry. Take
> care
>
> Thanks for posting that, Scott. I hate killfiling people, its another
> resentment I don't need.
>
Yeah, see, it was all about the PAWS thing, I think. She'd obviously
took offense to something, I'd just forgotten what it was!
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[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <d1pdge$gb$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake.e-mail.net says...

>> Thanks for posting that, Scott. I hate killfiling people, its another
>> resentment I don't need.
>>
> Yeah, see, it was all about the PAWS thing, I think. She'd obviously
> took offense to something, I'd just forgotten what it was!
Well I know how she feels. It doesn't take much to rock my boat these days.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Gail]

"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:3aaspgF667dvlU2@individual.net...
> In article <d1pdge$gb$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake.e-mail.net says...
>> Scott W. wrote:
>> > In article <tLKXd.43051$P71.17204@fe06.lga>, zserenity6850_2000
>> > @yahoo.com says...
>> >>
>> >> "John Smith" <fruit.loops@SPAMFREE-MEntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:3nKXd.3025$3A6.2328@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> >>>
>> >>> "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:1110377144.489998.193420@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Darren wrote:
>> >>>>> Gail wrote:
>> >>>>> <snip>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> No problem Gail. When it come to sobriety, I am still a baby. I
>> >>>>> see loads of people who have a gone a lot longer and when I tell
>> >>>>> them, they smile knowingly. :) the last week was hell because of
>> >>>>> the thousands of monkeys chattering endlessly in my head. It made
>> >>>>> me very tired (that and
>> >>>> going to
>> >>>>> bed at 3 am :)) and a little testy. when I was drinking I was
>> >>>>> angry
>> >>>> all the
>> >>>>> time. With me it's like a jeckyl and Hyde thing but I am a lot
>> >>>>> more patient sober than I was when drunk but still very
>> >>>>> sensitive. That shell is still growing but it is coming. I
>> >>>>> suppose I have to try to be patient. I
>> >>>> know Bob
>> >>>>> means well but he should remember that what he has been through,
>> >>>> people like
>> >>>>> me are still going through and we can't skip past it. I never
>> >>>>> knew I was an alcoholic until I stopped drinking. :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Take care and don't drink.
>> >>>>>> Gail
>> >>>>> Thanks for taking the time for this kind and considerate post
>> >>>>> Gail.
>> >>>> It means
>> >>>>> a lot.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> -
>> >>>>> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for
>> >>>>> me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is a web site that will help explain what is and could
>> >>>> possibly go on with you in the coming weeks/months. Might help
>> >>>> you. There are three parts to it so be sure to read them all.
>> >>>> Take care.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.tlctx.com/ar_pages/paw_part1.htm
>> >>>>
>> >>> Jeez i'm really looking forward to the next few weeks/months
>> >>> now.... i'll have a new illness to take time off work with!!!...
>> >>> "Hi yeah i'm not coming in today..." "Not feeling too good huh?"
>> >>> "Yeah it's this damn PAW..." "Crappy.... have you considered taking
>> >>> up drinking i hear that'll get you over it..."
>> >>>
>> >>> Hmmm ;)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I don't know but, you and Scott didn't read that same thing I did. I
>> >> did not see anywhere in the article where it said to take up
>> >> drinking again.
>> >> At least I don't promote web sites to buy drugs for coping. ;)
>> >> Please keep us posted on how your all ways of staying sober works
>> >> for you and please tell us how you are continueing to do so.
>> >> I do believe that you, Scott and Darren do have most of the answers
>> >> and I will not suggest anything else to you. ;)
>> >> Best wishes to you three,
>> >> Gail
>> *UNplonks Gail*
>> Gail If I Upset you in any way then I didn't mean to and I'm sorry. Take
>> care
>>
>> Thanks for posting that, Scott. I hate killfiling people, its another
>> resentment I don't need.
>>
> Yeah, see, it was all about the PAWS thing, I think. She'd obviously
> took offense to something, I'd just forgotten what it was!
> --
> "COUNCILOR" -- HST's Final Written Word
>
> http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

And if I upset you and Darren, then I am sorry, too. No, it isn't about the
paws...LOL
I got tired of scrolling through your alls post to read one liners that
didn't make any sense to me so, I quit. But hey, I am a hillbilly (cunt). ;)
I may have missed out on a lot by not reading them all. Then to, maybe
not...;)
You take care.
Gail

[Scott W.]

In article <d1pf90$4ef$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake.e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <d1pdge$gb$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake.e-mail.net says...
>
> >> Thanks for posting that, Scott. I hate killfiling people, its another
> >> resentment I don't need.
> >>
> > Yeah, see, it was all about the PAWS thing, I think. She'd obviously
> > took offense to something, I'd just forgotten what it was!
> Well I know how she feels. It doesn't take much to rock my boat these days.
>
I don't usually get too wrapped up into these Usenet argument
things. People get their feelings hurt and it's also a colossal
waste of time.

Sorry, Ms Gail! No more fighting! Ok?
--
"COUNCILOR" -- HST's Final Written Word

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

[Darren]

Gail wrote:
> And if I upset you and Darren, then I am sorry, too. No, it isn't
> about the paws...LOL
> I got tired of scrolling through your alls post to read one liners
> that didn't make any sense to me so, I quit. But hey, I am a
> hillbilly (cunt). ;) I may have missed out on a lot by not reading
> them all. Then to, maybe not...;)
> You take care.
> Gail
Gail. Would you do me a small favour? If I do something to upset you again
then please tell me. Don't just shun me. This way I can try to make things
right.

Take care. :)
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Gail]

"Darren" <Darren@fake.e-mail.net> wrote in message
news:d1phj6$a2l$0@pita.alt.net...

> Gail. Would you do me a small favour? If I do something to upset you again
> then please tell me. Don't just shun me. This way I can try to make things
> right.
>
> Take care. :)
> --
> -
> Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.
>
>

I didn't think that I had shunned you. I admit I haven't read all of your
and Scott's post. I didn't know that you had seizure's and all that. If I
had read them all I might have had more sympathy and all that. I am truly
glad for you that you have a month and almost a week of sobriety. Really!

[Gail]

"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:3aaub3F63rms6U1@individual.net...
>
> Sorry, Ms Gail! No more fighting! Ok?
> --
> "COUNCILOR" -- HST's Final Written Word
>
> http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

I will tell you the same thing I told Darren. I am guilty of not reading
everything that you post. Maybe I should have. I don't know.
Scott, I am guilty of caring whether or not you stay sober. You remind me a
lot of my son. I get pissed at him, too. ;)
I do get pissed and I did react in a negative way to you and Darren. Can't
promise I will read everything but, I will try to let it go if it makes no
sense to me. OK? As long as it makes sense to you two.

Gail

[Darren]

Gail wrote:
>
> I didn't think that I had shunned you. I admit I haven't read all of
> your and Scott's post. I didn't know that you had seizure's and all
> that. If I had read them all I might have had more sympathy and all
> that. I am truly glad for you that you have a month and almost a week
> of sobriety. Really!
Don't worry about it Gail.I don't tend to read all posts either so if your
guilty of it then so am I and I celebrate 5 weeks of sobriety today and as
you know its very hard work. Thanks for your reply and take care. :)
--
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Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <tJY%d.6255$Ri5.1355@fe06.lga>,
deadskunk@inthemiddleoftheroad.net says...
>
> "Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
> news:3aaub3F63rms6U1@individual.net...
> >
> > Sorry, Ms Gail! No more fighting! Ok?
> > --
> > "COUNCILOR" -- HST's Final Written Word
> >
> > http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99
>
> I will tell you the same thing I told Darren. I am guilty of not reading
> everything that you post. Maybe I should have. I don't know.

What does that matter?

> Scott, I am guilty of caring whether or not you stay sober.

And when I figure out your modis of operandi, maybe
it will work! But, you can't put out a fire with
gasoline, babe.

> You remind me a
> lot of my son. I get pissed at him, too. ;)

Guess I'm a 'mamma's boy' afterall, huh.

> I do get pissed and I did react in a negative way to you and Darren.

Jealous because we can carry on an intelligent conversation?

> Can't
> promise I will read everything but, I will try to let it go if it makes no
> sense to me. OK? As long as it makes sense to you two.
>

Whatever makes you happy.

> Gail
>
>
>

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[Darren]

Scott W. wrote:
> In article <tJY%d.6255$Ri5.1355@fe06.lga>,
> deadskunk@inthemiddleoftheroad.net says...
You're not helping, Scott.
--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

[Scott W.]

In article <d1ve34$46s$0@pita.alt.net>, Darren@fake.e-mail.net says...
> Scott W. wrote:
> > In article <tJY%d.6255$Ri5.1355@fe06.lga>,
> > deadskunk@inthemiddleoftheroad.net says...
> You're not helping, Scott.
>
The deal was made in Denmark on a dark and dreary day.
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