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01-03-2005, 05:58 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> > "RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > Well, on that basis, those that do, clearly, have no respect for
> this
> > rule :^)
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > JB
> >
> Oops. clearly, I msread the above sentence :^) So, even my mind and
my
> eyes let me see what I want to see rather than what is actually
there.
> I'm happy to make that confession :^)
>
> Thank you RK.
>
> Best regards
>
> JB
>
LOL. Yet another mistake. I really ought to not be trying to write
at the same time as trying to watch a dramatisation about Hitler and
his women on TV :^)

JB

Gail

01-03-2005, 06:26 PM

"RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> JB,
> No one can take your inventoty but you. Anyone who tries it is really
> taking their own inventory..They just don't have enough sobriety to know
> it yet.
>
> "You never take anyone elses inventory" is a fact.....not a rule.
>

So RK, does that mean you took our inventory and come to the conclusion that
we did not have enough sobriety to take anothers inventory? Does that mean I
can take someones inventory when I get enough sobriety and could you please
tell me when that year(s) might be? Curious mind wants to know.
Damn, sponsors do it all the time!
Oh yeah, in case no one has told you, this group is not AA. Stick around and
you will most likely see a lot of taking others inventory...LOL!
Best,
Gail

Gail

01-03-2005, 06:30 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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> "RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> JB,
>> No one can take your inventoty but you. Anyone who tries it is really
>> taking their own inventory..They just don't have enough sobriety to know
>> it yet.
>>
>> "You never take anyone elses inventory" is a fact.....not a rule.
>>
>
> So RK, does that mean you took our inventory and come to the conclusion
> that we did not have enough sobriety to take anothers inventory? Does that
> mean I can take someones inventory when I get enough sobriety and could
> you please tell me when that year(s) might be? Curious mind wants to know.
> Damn, sponsors do it all the time!
> Oh yeah, in case no one has told you, this group is not AA. Stick around
> and you will most likely see a lot of taking others inventory...LOL!
> Best,
> Gail
>

Also RK, what you might be mistaking as taking someones inventory might well
be someone trying to help someone with something they think might help that
person to take a look at. Heck, people in here have taken my inventory on
more than one occasion and believe it or not, has helped me grow.
Best to you Thumper,
Gail

rosie readandpost

01-03-2005, 06:58 PM

its funny......................those who jump up and down about
"getting their inventories taken by others" generally need to sit
down with their sponsors, and look for some
truth....................

i don't feel that folks are busy trying to take my inventory.
i just figure that folks have better things to do!

rosie
p.s.
where JB is concerned, i just consider the
source...........................

"RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: JB,
: No one can take your inventoty but you. Anyone who tries it is
really taking
: their own inventory..They just don't have enough sobriety to know
it yet.
:
: "You never take anyone elses inventory" is a fact.....not a rule.
:
:

RK Dian

01-03-2005, 08:40 PM

Rosie,
You give a lot of advice. Do you ever take your own advice?

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> its funny......................those who jump up and down about
> "getting their inventories taken by others" generally need to sit
> down with their sponsors, and look for some
> truth....................
>
> i don't feel that folks are busy trying to take my inventory.
> i just figure that folks have better things to do!
>
> rosie
> p.s.
> where JB is concerned, i just consider the
> source...........................
>
>
>
>
>
> "RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LMjCd.371$vP1.107@newsread3.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> : JB,
> : No one can take your inventoty but you. Anyone who tries it is
> really taking
> : their own inventory..They just don't have enough sobriety to know
> it yet.
> :
> : "You never take anyone elses inventory" is a fact.....not a rule.
> :
> :
>
>

01-03-2005, 08:52 PM

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> i don't feel that folks are busy trying to take my inventory.
> i just figure that folks have better things to do!
>
> rosie
> p.s.
> where JB is concerned, i just consider the
> source...........................
>

From: rosie read and post (readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com)

Daily Reflections

DAILY MONITORING

Continued to take personal inventory. . . . . TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE
TRADITIONS, p. 88

The spiritual axiom referred to in the Tenth Step-- "every time we are
disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with
us"--also tells me that there are no exceptions to it. No matter how
unreasonable others may seem, I am responsible for not reacting
negatively. Regardless of what is happening around me I will always
have the prerogative, and the responsibility, of choosing what happens
within me. I am the creator of my own reality. When I take my daily
inventory, I know that I must stop judging others. If I judge others,
I am probably judging myself. Whoever is upsetting me most is my best
teacher. I have much to learn from him or her, and in my heart, I
should thank that person.

Robert McGregor

01-03-2005, 10:57 PM

rosie readandpost

01-04-2005, 09:35 AM

RK,
on a regular basis, on a regular basis!
(i never ask anyone to do anything i haven't done..............good
rule of thumb, don't you think?)

--
rosie

Resistance in Iraq Outnumbers U.S. Forces
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010405W.shtml

"RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: Rosie,
: You give a lot of advice. Do you ever take your own advice?

RK Dian

01-05-2005, 11:20 AM

>So RK, does that mean you took our inventory and come to the conclusion that we did not have enough sobriety to take anothers inventory?
(No, I took my own inventory)
>Does that mean I can take someones inventory when I get enough sobriety
(No)
>and could you please tell me when that year(s) might be?
(Time away from a drink is only time away from a drink.)
>Curious mind wants to know.
>Damn, sponsors do it all the time!
(Sponsors should only be carriers of AA's 12 steps)
>Oh yeah, in case no one has told you, this group is not AA.
(I am very much aware of that, but there are AA members
here discussing the AA program.)
>Stick around and you will most likely see a lot of taking others inventory...LOL!
( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)

>Best,
>Gail

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:26:15 -0600, "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com>
wrote:

>
>"RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> JB,
>> No one can take your inventoty but you. Anyone who tries it is really
>> taking their own inventory..They just don't have enough sobriety to know
>> it yet.
>>
>> "You never take anyone elses inventory" is a fact.....not a rule.
>>
>
>So RK, does that mean you took our inventory and come to the conclusion that
>we did not have enough sobriety to take anothers inventory? Does that mean I
>can take someones inventory when I get enough sobriety and could you please
>tell me when that year(s) might be? Curious mind wants to know.
>Damn, sponsors do it all the time!
>Oh yeah, in case no one has told you, this group is not AA. Stick around and
>you will most likely see a lot of taking others inventory...LOL!
>Best,
>Gail
>

01-05-2005, 01:01 PM

"RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Gail wrote:
> >Stick around and you will most likely see a lot of taking others
inventory...LOL!

RK replied

> ( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
> themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)

I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such an
inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word nor for
what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or someone
else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word and why
you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?

JB

Gail

01-05-2005, 01:21 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Gail wrote:
>> >Stick around and you will most likely see a lot of taking others
> inventory...LOL!
>
> RK replied
>
>> ( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
>> themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)
>
> I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such an
> inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word nor for
> what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or someone
> else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word and why
> you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
>
> JB
>
>
>

For me, there is to much accusing in here of people taking others inventory.
There are some people who give constructive criticism and are accused of
taking inventory. There are also some that give distructive criticism and
those are the ones I worry about. They are also accused of taking someones
inventory. I believe the word inventory is thrown around to much.
I stand by what I said in a previous post. Sometimes I, or we, may see
something in someone and point it out to them and someone may see something
in me and point it out. That isn't inventory. Wouldn't you agree that it is
usually because we want to help that person? Well, most of the time anyway.
I do have my doubts at times.
My inventory comes when I take what someone has pointed out to me and look
at myself and acknowledge that what was told to me, about me, might be right
and then take the steps to correct it. Usually, the other person is
right....;) Does that mean that I have taken their inventory and come to the
conclusion that they took mine? Nope!
The word inventory is thrown around to much!
Best,
Gail

Gail

01-05-2005, 01:34 PM

> ( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
> themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)

Or at least, being accused of it. ;)

Have a good day,
Gail

01-05-2005, 03:51 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> > I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such an
> > inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word nor
for
> > what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or
someone
> > else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word and
why
> > you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
> >
> > JB

> For me, there is to much accusing in here of people taking others
inventory.
> There are some people who give constructive criticism and are
accused of
> taking inventory. There are also some that give distructive
criticism and
> those are the ones I worry about.

Now, here, you've touched upon the subject of how "criticism" is
interpreted.

What you, for example, might interpret as "distructive cricitism" (ie
that which is designed to be not helpful) may not be viewed as such by
someone else. Similarly, when you, for example, give what you think
is "constructive criticism", the person who it's aimed at, may not see
it that way. Sometimes, both the giver of cricitism and the receiver
of it, interpret it in the same way. If both agree that what's been
said was "constructive criticism", then, maybe the person who received
it will make use of it and gain benefit from doing so.

>Sometimes I, or we, may see
> something in someone and point it out to them and someone may see
something
> in me and point it out. That isn't inventory. Wouldn't you agree
that it is
> usually because we want to help that person? Well, most of the time
anyway.
> I do have my doubts at times.

Certainly, there are folk here and elsewhere whose criticisms of me I
welcome. Usually, that's because, over time, they've said enough to me
to make it possible for me to have come to believe that they are
always genuinely concerned about my welfare. Then, there's other folk
who appear to me to only sometimes have genuine concerns for it.
Finally, there are others who, to me, appear to dislike me. When they
criticise me, their criticisms give me the impression that rarely are
they more than an expression of contempt for and/or resentment towards
me.

> My inventory comes when I take what someone has pointed out to me
and look
> at myself and acknowledge that what was told to me, about me, might
be right
> and then take the steps to correct it.

I do the same thing

JB

Gail

01-05-2005, 04:04 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
>> > I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such an
>> > inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word nor
> for
>> > what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or
> someone
>> > else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word and
> why
>> > you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
>> >
>> > JB
>
>> For me, there is to much accusing in here of people taking others
> inventory.
>> There are some people who give constructive criticism and are
> accused of
>> taking inventory. There are also some that give distructive
> criticism and
>> those are the ones I worry about.
>
> Now, here, you've touched upon the subject of how "criticism" is
> interpreted.
>
> What you, for example, might interpret as "distructive cricitism" (ie
> that which is designed to be not helpful) may not be viewed as such by
> someone else. Similarly, when you, for example, give what you think
> is "constructive criticism", the person who it's aimed at, may not see
> it that way. Sometimes, both the giver of cricitism and the receiver
> of it, interpret it in the same way. If both agree that what's been
> said was "constructive criticism", then, maybe the person who received
> it will make use of it and gain benefit from doing so.
>
>>Sometimes I, or we, may see
>> something in someone and point it out to them and someone may see
> something
>> in me and point it out. That isn't inventory. Wouldn't you agree
> that it is
>> usually because we want to help that person? Well, most of the time
> anyway.
>> I do have my doubts at times.
>
> Certainly, there are folk here and elsewhere whose criticisms of me I
> welcome. Usually, that's because, over time, they've said enough to me
> to make it possible for me to have come to believe that they are
> always genuinely concerned about my welfare. Then, there's other folk
> who appear to me to only sometimes have genuine concerns for it.
> Finally, there are others who, to me, appear to dislike me. When they
> criticise me, their criticisms give me the impression that rarely are
> they more than an expression of contempt for and/or resentment towards
> me.
>
>> My inventory comes when I take what someone has pointed out to me
> and look
>> at myself and acknowledge that what was told to me, about me, might
> be right
>> and then take the steps to correct it.
>
> I do the same thing
>
> JB
>
>
>

When I refer to destructive criticism I am referring to calling people
names. I don't think that is appropriate or very grown up for any of us. ;)
I believe I have done that in the past, myself. I have done what I can to
correct those actions.
Your right about the rest of what you replied.
In fact, I believe I owe RK an apology for calling him Thumper. I am sorry
RK.
I guess it I thought it was ok because I wasn't calling him a slut, lieing
whore, faggot or some of the other crap people have called people in here.
Best to all,
Gail

Gail

01-05-2005, 04:57 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
>> > I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such an
>> > inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word nor
> for
>> > what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or
> someone
>> > else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word and
> why
>> > you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
>> >
>> > JB

I am curious as to why you would only ask RK and myself that question. Did
Robert not reply to RK and ask if he had taken inventory, is Robert exempt
to your question or are you afraid of pissing Robert off and having him
possiby call you names?
Best,
Gail

01-05-2005, 06:52 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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> When I refer to destructive criticism I am referring to calling
people
> names. I don't think that is appropriate or very grown up for any of
us. ;)

I agree about name calling not being appropriate or very grown up.

I also consider the following remarks (the majority of which are not
founded on truths) to be fine examples of further behaviours which are
inappropriate for adults who like to think of themselves as being
"grown up" and, perhaps, wish to be viewed as such:

"Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
off his dry drunk."

"drunk again, huh bob?"

"sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."

"yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
him/her, but until then.......................ick!

"you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
you, but you truly are running out of
excuses........................")

"moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
taking sleeping pills".

"jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
crap that is spewed by him/her".

"i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
player............i don't know what you call it over
there.....................just pathetic"

"JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"

"harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."

"JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
the he/she tries to stir up............................"

"JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"

--------

JB

rosie readandpost

01-05-2005, 06:57 PM

agreed gail!
the complaint of "others taking my inventory" is voiced a lot, but
usually by folks who have something to hide!
i always consider the source!
:)

--
rosie

wisconsin snow storm coming!
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=dcp00011wr.jpg

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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:
: "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: news:crh9mb$c4a$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
: >
: > "RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
: > news:he4ot0p9atfpd1uag0jilv1lj1rk6uk4i0@4ax.com...
: >
: > Gail wrote:
: >> >Stick around and you will most likely see a lot of taking
others
: > inventory...LOL!
: >
: > RK replied
: >
: >> ( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
: >> themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)
: >
: > I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such
an
: > inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word
nor for
: > what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or
someone
: > else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word
and why
: > you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
: >
: > JB
: >
: >
: >
:
: For me, there is to much accusing in here of people taking others
inventory.
: There are some people who give constructive criticism and are
accused of
: taking inventory. There are also some that give distructive
criticism and
: those are the ones I worry about. They are also accused of taking
someones
: inventory. I believe the word inventory is thrown around to much.
: I stand by what I said in a previous post. Sometimes I, or we, may
see
: something in someone and point it out to them and someone may see
something
: in me and point it out. That isn't inventory. Wouldn't you agree
that it is
: usually because we want to help that person? Well, most of the
time anyway.
: I do have my doubts at times.
: My inventory comes when I take what someone has pointed out to me
and look
: at myself and acknowledge that what was told to me, about me,
might be right
: and then take the steps to correct it. Usually, the other person
is
: right....;) Does that mean that I have taken their inventory and
come to the
: conclusion that they took mine? Nope!
: The word inventory is thrown around to much!
: Best,
: Gail
:
:

01-05-2005, 07:07 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >> > I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such
an
> >> > inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word
nor
> > for
> >> > what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or
> > someone
> >> > else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word
and
> > why
> >> > you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
> >> >
> >> > JB
>
> I am curious as to why you would only ask RK and myself that
question.

It seemed an appropriate question to ask after this was posted:

RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >So RK, does that mean you took our inventory and come to the
conclusion that we did not have enough sobriety to take anothers
inventory?
> (No, I took my own inventory)
> >Does that mean I can take someones inventory when I get enough
sobriety
> (No)
> >and could you please tell me when that year(s) might be?
> (Time away from a drink is only time away from a drink.)
> >Curious mind wants to know.
> >Damn, sponsors do it all the time!
> (Sponsors should only be carriers of AA's 12 steps)
> >Oh yeah, in case no one has told you, this group is not AA.
> (I am very much aware of that, but there are AA members
> here discussing the AA program.)
> >Stick around and you will most likely see a lot of taking others
inventory...LOL!
> ( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
> themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)
>
> >Best,
> >Gail
------------

>Did
> Robert not reply to RK and ask if he had taken inventory,

He did.

> is Robert exempt
> to your question

Had I thought it appropriate to put the same question to him, I would
have done so.

> or are you afraid of pissing Robert off

No.

> and having him
> possiby call you names?

As I have not yet acquired the ability to accurately predict my
future, I have no idea what anyone will be saying to me.

JB

Gail

01-05-2005, 09:12 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> >> > I know how the BB defines "inventory" and for what purpose such
> an
>> >> > inventory is taken. I don't know how you two define the word
> nor
>> > for
>> >> > what purpose either of you might decide to take your own or
>> > someone
>> >> > else's. Would you care to share your understanding of the word
> and
>> > why
>> >> > you might take your own inventory and/or someone else's ?
>> >> >
>> >> > JB
>>
>> I am curious as to why you would only ask RK and myself that
> question.
>
> It seemed an appropriate question to ask after this was posted:
>
> RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:he4ot0p9atfpd1uag0jilv1lj1rk6uk4i0@4ax.com...
>> >So RK, does that mean you took our inventory and come to the
> conclusion that we did not have enough sobriety to take anothers
> inventory?
>> (No, I took my own inventory)
>> >Does that mean I can take someones inventory when I get enough
> sobriety
>> (No)
>> >and could you please tell me when that year(s) might be?
>> (Time away from a drink is only time away from a drink.)
>> >Curious mind wants to know.
>> >Damn, sponsors do it all the time!
>> (Sponsors should only be carriers of AA's 12 steps)
>> >Oh yeah, in case no one has told you, this group is not AA.
>> (I am very much aware of that, but there are AA members
>> here discussing the AA program.)
>> >Stick around and you will most likely see a lot of taking others
> inventory...LOL!
>> ( No Gail, what I will probably see is some people deceiving
>> themselves into believing they are taking other's inventory)
>>
>> >Best,
>> >Gail
> ------------
>
>>Did
>> Robert not reply to RK and ask if he had taken inventory,
>
> He did.
>
>> is Robert exempt
>> to your question
>
> Had I thought it appropriate to put the same question to him, I would
> have done so.
>
>> or are you afraid of pissing Robert off
>
> No.
>
>> and having him
>> possiby call you names?
>
> As I have not yet acquired the ability to accurately predict my
> future, I have no idea what anyone will be saying to me.
>
> JB
>
>
>

Are you and Blue aren't related? ;)

Gail

01-05-2005, 09:14 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:QNYCd.43002$rZ3.12260@fe05.lga...
>> When I refer to destructive criticism I am referring to calling
> people
>> names. I don't think that is appropriate or very grown up for any of
> us. ;)
>
> I agree about name calling not being appropriate or very grown up.
>
> I also consider the following remarks (the majority of which are not
> founded on truths) to be fine examples of further behaviours which are
> inappropriate for adults who like to think of themselves as being
> "grown up" and, perhaps, wish to be viewed as such:
>
> "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
> koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
> it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
> off his dry drunk."
>
> "drunk again, huh bob?"
>
> "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
> concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
>
> "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
> her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
> CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
> him/her, but until then.......................ick!
>
> "you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
> your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
> you, but you truly are running out of
> excuses........................")
>
> "moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
> taking sleeping pills".
>
> "jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
> started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
> the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
> ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
> crap that is spewed by him/her".
>
> "i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
> play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
> player............i don't know what you call it over
> there.....................just pathetic"
>
> "JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
> disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"
>
> "harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."
>
> "JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
> the he/she tries to stir up............................"
>
> "JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
> are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
>
> --------
>
> JB
>
>
>

I agree.

Nat

01-05-2005, 09:14 PM

BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it dawned on me
that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.

>> No one can take your inventoty but you. Anyone who tries it is really
>> taking their own inventory..They just don't have enough sobriety to know
>> it yet.
>>
>> "You never take anyone elses inventory" is a fact.....not a rule.

rosie readandpost

01-06-2005, 08:05 AM

"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
: BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
dawned on me
: that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.
:
:

yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know what?
sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
(not pointing fingers)

01-06-2005, 08:54 AM

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
> dawned on me
> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.
> :
> :
>
> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know what?
> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
> (not pointing fingers)

Rosie,

Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while typing)
but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in mind.

Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of judgement
on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as a
complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person who
makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description and
therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom they have
criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.

JB

Gail

01-06-2005, 03:33 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>>
>> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
>> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
>> dawned on me
>> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.
>> :
>> :
>>
>> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know what?
>> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
>> (not pointing fingers)
>
> Rosie,
>
> Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
> pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while typing)
> but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in mind.
>
> Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of judgement
> on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as a
> complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person who
> makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description and
> therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom they have
> criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
>
> JB
>
>
>
>

for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were trying to
arrange life to suit ourselves.

JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on Rosie. Could
that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something more
productive?

rosie readandpost

01-06-2005, 04:28 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
:
: "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
: >
: > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: >>
: >>
: >> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
: >> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
: >> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
: >> dawned on me
: >> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst
fault.
: >> :
: >> :
: >>
: >> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know
what?
: >> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
: >> (not pointing fingers)
: >
: > Rosie,
: >
: > Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
: > pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while
typing)
: > but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in
mind.
: >
: > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
judgement
: > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as
a
: > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person
who
: > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description
and
: > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom
they have
: > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
: >
: > JB
: >
: >
: >
: >
:
:
: for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were
trying to
: arrange life to suit ourselves.
:
:
: JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on
Rosie. Could
: that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something more
: productive?
:
:

oh, THAT suggestion will fall on deaf ears!
good try though gail!
;)

oh, JB?
quit reading between the lines, or recognize your own paranoia!

01-06-2005, 05:10 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> >> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
> >> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
> >> dawned on me
> >> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.
> >> :
> >> :
> >>
> >> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know
what?
> >> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
> >> (not pointing fingers)
> >
> > Rosie,
> >
> > Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
> > pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while
typing)
> > but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in mind.
> >
> > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
judgement
> > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as a
> > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person
who
> > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description
and
> > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom they
have
> > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
> >
> > JB
>
> for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were
trying to
> arrange life to suit ourselves.
>
>
> JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on Rosie.
Could
> that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something more
> productive?
>
Gail,

In the BB, there is this passage:

"..... any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that
basis we almost always in collision with something or somebody, even
though are motives are good............ Each person is like an actor
who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the
lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in his
own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people
would do as he wished.................... Life would be wonderful"
(pages 60/61)

Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted your post as an attempt to
direct my life.

JB

DaveB

01-06-2005, 05:19 PM

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:10:33 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
>news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
>>
>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
>> news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >
>> > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
>> >> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
>> >> dawned on me
>> >> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.
>> >> :
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know
>what?
>> >> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
>> >> (not pointing fingers)
>> >
>> > Rosie,
>> >
>> > Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
>> > pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while
>typing)
>> > but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in mind.
>> >
>> > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
>judgement
>> > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as a
>> > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person
>who
>> > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description
>and
>> > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom they
>have
>> > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
>> >
>> > JB
>>
>> for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were
>trying to
>> arrange life to suit ourselves.
>>
>>
>> JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on Rosie.
>Could
>> that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something more
>> productive?
>>
>Gail,
>
>In the BB, there is this passage:
>
>"..... any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that
>basis we almost always in collision with something or somebody, even
>though are motives are good............ Each person is like an actor
>who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the
>lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in his
>own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people
>would do as he wished.................... Life would be wonderful"
>(pages 60/61)
>
>Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted your post as an attempt to
>direct my life.
>
>JB

> <sheesh>

Regards
>

Daveb

Gail

01-06-2005, 05:23 PM

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
> :
> : "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> : news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> : >
> : > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> : > news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : >>
> : >>
> : >> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> : >> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
> : >> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
> : >> dawned on me
> : >> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst
> fault.
> : >> :
> : >> :
> : >>
> : >> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know
> what?
> : >> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
> : >> (not pointing fingers)
> : >
> : > Rosie,
> : >
> : > Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
> : > pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while
> typing)
> : > but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in
> mind.
> : >
> : > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
> judgement
> : > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as
> a
> : > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person
> who
> : > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description
> and
> : > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom
> they have
> : > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
> : >
> : > JB
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> : for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were
> trying to
> : arrange life to suit ourselves.
> :
> :
> : JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on
> Rosie. Could
> : that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something more
> : productive?
> :
> :
>
> oh, THAT suggestion will fall on deaf ears!
> good try though gail!
> ;)
>
>
> oh, JB?
> quit reading between the lines, or recognize your own paranoia!
>
>

I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she confronts you on
certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB is:

Page 96

Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once. Search out
another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone desperate
enough to accept with eagerness what you offer.

I think that Rosie will be just fine. ;)

Gail

01-06-2005, 05:49 PM

<DaveB> wrote in message news:41ddb93a.8442953@news.dslextreme.com...
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:10:33 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:
>
>>"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
>>news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
>>>
>>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
>>> news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>> >
>>> > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>>> >> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
>>> >> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before it
>>> >> dawned on me
>>> >> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst fault.
>>> >> :
>>> >> :
>>> >>
>>> >> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you know
>>what?
>>> >> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
>>> >> (not pointing fingers)
>>> >
>>> > Rosie,
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were not
>>> > pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while
>>typing)
>>> > but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in mind.
>>> >
>>> > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
>>judgement
>>> > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as a
>>> > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person
>>who
>>> > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description
>>and
>>> > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom they
>>have
>>> > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
>>> >
>>> > JB
>>>
>>> for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were
>>trying to
>>> arrange life to suit ourselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on Rosie.
>>Could
>>> that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something more
>>> productive?
>>>
>>Gail,
>>
>>In the BB, there is this passage:
>>
>>"..... any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that
>>basis we almost always in collision with something or somebody, even
>>though are motives are good............ Each person is like an actor
>>who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the
>>lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in his
>>own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people
>>would do as he wished.................... Life would be wonderful"
>>(pages 60/61)
>>
>>Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted your post as an attempt to
>>direct my life.
>>
>>JB
>
>
>> <sheesh>
>
> Regards
>>
>
> Daveb

What a coincidence JB! I read that paragraph today, too. ;) Ain't it the
truth!

Robert McGregor

01-06-2005, 06:22 PM

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k4iDd.190895$T02.6716@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
> :

> : JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on
> Rosie. Could
> : that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something
> more
> : productive?
> :
> :
>
> oh, THAT suggestion will fall on deaf ears!
> good try though gail!
> ;)
>
>
> oh, JB?
> quit reading between the lines, or recognize your own paranoia!
>

Hahahahahahaha

Can't you just *feel* the love!

Bob

From: "rosie@readandpost" REMOVEreadandpost@yahoo.com

>

>We also begin to see others more clearly. We see good in people

>we don't like. And we see faults in people we thought were perfect.

>But we don't judge people anymore. Nobody is perfect. Just as our

>friends accept us as we are, we learn to accept others.

Robert McGregor

01-06-2005, 06:34 PM

"In those days we really took each other's inventories firmly and
often" ........ "Alcoholics Anonymous" "The Vicious Cycle"

Does anyone else here just lurve the irony?

Bob.

01-06-2005, 06:40 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:CmjDd.10065$206.4375@fe03.lga...
> >>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >>Gail,
> >>
> >>In the BB, there is this passage:
> >>
> >>"..... any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that
> >>basis we almost always in collision with something or somebody,
even
> >>though are motives are good............ Each person is like an
actor
> >>who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the
> >>lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in
his
> >>own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people
> >>would do as he wished.................... Life would be wonderful"
> >>(pages 60/61)
> >>
> >>Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted your post as an attempt to
> >>direct my life.
> >>
> >>JB
> What a coincidence JB! I read that paragraph today, too. ;) Ain't it
the
> truth!
>
LOL. Well, FWIW, I am more aware than I used to be of when I am
attempting to run someone's life and also, when I am aware of doing
this, knowing whether or not I feel at ease doing so.

Now, to other matters.

I noticed your earlier comment, addressed to Rosie:

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
>
"I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she confronts
you on certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB is:

Page 96

Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once.
Search out
another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
desperate
enough to accept with eagerness what you offer."
--------------

On that subject, have you said all that you want to ? <g>

JB

Gail

01-06-2005, 06:46 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:crkhtn$ohg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:CmjDd.10065$206.4375@fe03.lga...
>> >>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >>Gail,
>> >>
>> >>In the BB, there is this passage:
>> >>
>> >>"..... any life run on self-will can hardly be a success. On that
>> >>basis we almost always in collision with something or somebody,
> even
>> >>though are motives are good............ Each person is like an
> actor
>> >>who wants to run the whole show; is forever trying to arrange the
>> >>lights, the ballet, the scenery and the rest of the players in
> his
>> >>own way. If his arrangements would only stay put, if only people
>> >>would do as he wished.................... Life would be wonderful"
>> >>(pages 60/61)
>> >>
>> >>Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted your post as an attempt to
>> >>direct my life.
>> >>
>> >>JB
>> What a coincidence JB! I read that paragraph today, too. ;) Ain't it
> the
>> truth!
>>
> LOL. Well, FWIW, I am more aware than I used to be of when I am
> attempting to run someone's life and also, when I am aware of doing
> this, knowing whether or not I feel at ease doing so.
>
> Now, to other matters.
>
> I noticed your earlier comment, addressed to Rosie:
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
>>
> "I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she confronts
> you on certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB is:
>
> Page 96
>
> Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once.
> Search out
> another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
> desperate
> enough to accept with eagerness what you offer."
> --------------
>
> On that subject, have you said all that you want to ? <g>
>
> JB
>
>
>

<smile> Yes. Should I have said more? Ok, I will.

Love and tolerance of others is our code.

Have a good night. I may read some more.
Gail

Nat

01-06-2005, 07:01 PM

At the same time, Rosie, how can we live in an active society without making
judgments of others?

Say you own a retail business and run an ad for a new employee. Don't you
have to make judgments of the applicants? Not just on their ability to do
the job, but how they appear, talk, and just plain, do you like them, and
want someone that around the store all day?

nat

> Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of judgement
> on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as a
> complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person who
> makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description and
> therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom they have
> criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.

01-06-2005, 07:09 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:wckDd.10291$QD6.7091@fe03.lga...
JB wrote:

> > I noticed your earlier comment, addressed to Rosie:
> >
> > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
> >>
> > "I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she
confronts
> > you on certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB is:
> >
> > Page 96
> >
> > Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once.
> > Search out
> > another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
> > desperate
> > enough to accept with eagerness what you offer."
> > --------------
> >
> > On that subject, have you said all that you want to ? <g>
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> >
>
> <smile> Yes. Should I have said more?

You had for me a recommendation :^)

FWIW, if I have something to say to you, I hope to always have the
courage to say it to your face; not in gossip with someone else.

JB

rosie readandpost

01-06-2005, 07:42 PM

LOL!
i do believe your right.....................if i do tomorrow, what i
did today, i will have another day sober!

--
rosie

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"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
:
: " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:k4iDd.190895$T02.6716@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: >
: >
: > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
: > news:BnhDd.9554$_x4.1381@fe03.lga...
: > :
: > : "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: > : news:crjfi4$c5e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > : >
: > : > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
: > : > news:yIaDd.190851$T02.56379@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > : >>
: > : >>
: > : >> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
: > : >> news:85SdnfTB6e6DAkHcRVn-ow@centurytel.net...
: > : >> : BOY, that's sure the truth! I was some years sober before
it
: > : >> dawned on me
: > : >> : that what fault I saw in others was usually my own worst
: > fault.
: > : >> :
: > : >> :
: > : >>
: > : >> yup, i learned that also nat......................but you
know
: > what?
: > : >> sometimes "a bad apple" is just that "a bad apple!"
: > : >> (not pointing fingers)
: > : >
: > : > Rosie,
: > : >
: > : > Perhaps you were at the time you wrote the above your were
not
: > : > pointing fingers ( that would be a bit difficult to do while
: > typing)
: > : > but when you made it, I believe that you had certain folk in
: > mind.
: > : >
: > : > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
: > judgement
: > : > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended
as
: > a
: > : > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the
person
: > who
: > : > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the
description
: > and
: > : > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom
: > they have
: > : > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
: > : >
: > : > JB
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: > : for we are not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we
were
: > trying to
: > : arrange life to suit ourselves.
: > :
: > :
: > : JB, I constantly see you wasting a lot of time and energy on
: > Rosie. Could
: > : that time not be better spent elsewhere maybe doing something
more
: > : productive?
: > :
: > :
: >
: > oh, THAT suggestion will fall on deaf ears!
: > good try though gail!
: > ;)
: >
: >
: > oh, JB?
: > quit reading between the lines, or recognize your own paranoia!
: >
: >
:
: I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she
confronts you on
: certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB is:
:
: Page 96
:
: Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once.
Search out
: another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
desperate
: enough to accept with eagerness what you offer.
:
: I think that Rosie will be just fine. ;)
:
:

rosie readandpost

01-06-2005, 07:46 PM

as a former employer, i made those judgments everyday!
that is part of running a successful business!

--
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"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:TOqdnZYq6-7pTEDcRVn-3g@centurytel.net...
: At the same time, Rosie, how can we live in an active society
without making
: judgments of others?
:
: Say you own a retail business and run an ad for a new employee.
Don't you
: have to make judgments of the applicants? Not just on their
ability to do
: the job, but how they appear, talk, and just plain, do you like
them, and
: want someone that around the store all day?
:
: nat
:
:
: > Such comments as "a bad apple is just that" is a passing of
judgement
: > on another person and, IMO, such a judgement is not intended as
a
: > complement. Also, IMO, when such comments are made, the person
who
: > makes them, usually does not think that they fit the description
and
: > therefore are "better/ more wholesome " folk than those whom
they have
: > criticised. However, sometimes, it could be projection.
:
:

Gail

01-06-2005, 07:53 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:crkjjc$ogv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:wckDd.10291$QD6.7091@fe03.lga...
> JB wrote:
>
>> > I noticed your earlier comment, addressed to Rosie:
>> >
>> > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
>> > news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
>> >>
>> > "I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she
> confronts
>> > you on certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB is:
>> >
>> > Page 96
>> >
>> > Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at once.
>> > Search out
>> > another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
>> > desperate
>> > enough to accept with eagerness what you offer."
>> > --------------
>> >
>> > On that subject, have you said all that you want to ? <g>
>> >
>> > JB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> <smile> Yes. Should I have said more?
>
> You had for me a recommendation :^)
>
> FWIW, if I have something to say to you, I hope to always have the
> courage to say it to your face; not in gossip with someone else.
>
> JB
>
>

I have said it to your face or at least the best I could considering it's a
damn computer. You keep accusing people of gossip. If I have and I have
something to say to you, I do it in here. Personally, I stopped the private
e-mails with you and a most others in here. Can you say the same? When I do
happen to private e-mail or receive one from someone in here, rest assured,
you ARE NOT the subject JB, nor is anyone else in here.
This might help ya, it helps me quite often.

"God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference."

FWIT I plan on replying to any and all your post with something from the big
book so that you will have to spend more time on figuring out how you can
manipulate those words. I should have done this a long time ago with you and
Blue. (SMILE) And it helps me, too.

Yours,
Gail

rosie readandpost

01-06-2005, 08:10 PM

gail,
where IS blue?

--
rosie

ITS HERE!
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"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
:
: "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: news:crkjjc$ogv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
: > news:wckDd.10291$QD6.7091@fe03.lga...
: > JB wrote:
: >
: >> > I noticed your earlier comment, addressed to Rosie:
: >> >
: >> > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
: >> > news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
: >> >>
: >> > "I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she
: > confronts
: >> > you on certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB
is:
: >> >
: >> > Page 96
: >> >
: >> > Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at
once.
: >> > Search out
: >> > another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
: >> > desperate
: >> > enough to accept with eagerness what you offer."
: >> > --------------
: >> >
: >> > On that subject, have you said all that you want to ? <g>
: >> >
: >> > JB
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >
: >>
: >> <smile> Yes. Should I have said more?
: >
: > You had for me a recommendation :^)
: >
: > FWIW, if I have something to say to you, I hope to always have
the
: > courage to say it to your face; not in gossip with someone else.
: >
: > JB
: >
: >
:
: I have said it to your face or at least the best I could
considering it's a
: damn computer. You keep accusing people of gossip. If I have and I
have
: something to say to you, I do it in here. Personally, I stopped
the private
: e-mails with you and a most others in here. Can you say the same?
When I do
: happen to private e-mail or receive one from someone in here, rest
assured,
: you ARE NOT the subject JB, nor is anyone else in here.
: This might help ya, it helps me quite often.
:
: "God, grant me the serenity
: to accept the things I cannot change;
: Courage to change the things I can;
: And wisdom to know the difference."
:
: FWIT I plan on replying to any and all your post with something
from the big
: book so that you will have to spend more time on figuring out how
you can
: manipulate those words. I should have done this a long time ago
with you and
: Blue. (SMILE) And it helps me, too.
:
: Yours,
: Gail
:
:

01-06-2005, 08:36 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:crkjjc$ogv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:wckDd.10291$QD6.7091@fe03.lga...
> > JB wrote:

> > You had for me a recommendation :^)
> >
> > FWIW, if I have something to say to you, I hope to always have
the
> > courage to say it to your face; not in gossip with someone else.
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
>
> I have said it to your face or at least the best I could considering
it's a
> damn computer. You keep accusing people of gossip. If I have and I
have ave to r
> something to say to you, I do it in here.

Listen up and I'll try to explain as clearly as I can the thoughts
that are now in my head.

If I wanted to say to you via this NG, " Gail, I think you an idiot".
I would speak directly to you by posting this comment in either a
reply to something you've posted here or start a thread, maybe
entitled "Ping Gail". In my books, that's as much as I could do on the
internet to speak f2f to you.

However, if I said to Blue Moon, as you've mentioned him, via this NG,
"I think Gail a bloody fool", I'd be not talking directly to you but
rather just gossiping about you. (NB: gossip (ÈgsIp) n. 1. casual
and idle chat: to have a gossip with a friend.
2. a conversation involving malicious chatter or rumours about other
people (Source: Collins English Dictionary). Probably if you saw that
post to Blue, you'd be annoyed, and, IMO, you'd have every right to
be. ! Similarly, I have every bit as much right as you, Rosie and
anyone else here does to get annoyed when folk start gossping about
me. Rarely, do I.

Furthermore, you have every right to tell me that my talking about you
to Blue has annoyed you. In return, if I came to believe that by
gossiping about you to Blue I had done you a wrong, then, if I wanted
to be a good little AAer, I'd have to make ammends to you. For me,
in this instance, my ammend to you could involve apologising to you
for having been gossiping about you followed by not gossiping about
you again.

If, after reading this post (which is me talking directly to you), you
still do not understand what I'm talking about, then, IMO, maybe for
you enlightenment will come from a power that's greater than myself.

JB

Robert McGregor

01-06-2005, 08:44 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
>
> FWIT I plan on replying to any and all your post with something
> from the big book so that you will have to spend more time on
> figuring out how you can manipulate those words. I should have done
> this a long time ago with you and Blue. (SMILE) And it helps me,
> too.

This catfight is promising even more irony!

(SMILE) hahahahaha

Bob

01-06-2005, 09:19 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3467skF45skf1U1@individual.net...
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
> >
> > FWIT I plan on replying to any and all your post with something
> > from the big book so that you will have to spend more time on
> > figuring out how you can manipulate those words. I should have
done
> > this a long time ago with you and Blue. (SMILE) And it helps me,
> > too.
>
> This catfight is promising even more irony!
>
> (SMILE) hahahahaha
>
>
> Bob

What did you expect of a not-a-saint ? :^)

Regards

JB

Gail

01-06-2005, 09:22 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3467skF45skf1U1@individual.net...
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
>>
>> FWIT I plan on replying to any and all your post with something from the
>> big book so that you will have to spend more time on figuring out how you
>> can manipulate those words. I should have done this a long time ago with
>> you and Blue. (SMILE) And it helps me, too.
>
> This catfight is promising even more irony!
>
> (SMILE) hahahahaha
>
>
> Bob
>

Robert, I have been reading on that web site you post today that RK thanked
you for. Nice site. Thanks for posting it.
Gail

Gail

01-06-2005, 09:27 PM

Heck if I know! Ask JB. She stays in contact with moonraker and shaw. Prolly
does with Blue, too. That isn't gossip either. JB has post that she does
before. ;)

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yklDd.172221$ye4.110011@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> gail,
> where IS blue?
>
>
> --
> rosie
>
> ITS HERE!
> http://img135.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img135&image=dcp00037ef.jpg
>
>
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
> :
> : "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> : news:crkjjc$ogv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> : > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> : > news:wckDd.10291$QD6.7091@fe03.lga...
> : > JB wrote:
> : >
> : >> > I noticed your earlier comment, addressed to Rosie:
> : >> >
> : >> > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> : >> > news:G_iDd.9969$uJ5.7752@fe03.lga...
> : >> >>
> : >> > "I assume that JB feels she is doing 12 step work when she
> : > confronts
> : >> > you on certain things. I guess that all I can recommend to JB
> is:
> : >> >
> : >> > Page 96
> : >> >
> : >> > Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond at
> once.
> : >> > Search out
> : >> > another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to find someone
> : >> > desperate
> : >> > enough to accept with eagerness what you offer."
> : >> > --------------
> : >> >
> : >> > On that subject, have you said all that you want to ? <g>
> : >> >
> : >> > JB
> : >> >
> : >> >
> : >> >
> : >>
> : >> <smile> Yes. Should I have said more?
> : >
> : > You had for me a recommendation :^)
> : >
> : > FWIW, if I have something to say to you, I hope to always have
> the
> : > courage to say it to your face; not in gossip with someone else.
> : >
> : > JB
> : >
> : >
> :
> : I have said it to your face or at least the best I could
> considering it's a
> : damn computer. You keep accusing people of gossip. If I have and I
> have
> : something to say to you, I do it in here. Personally, I stopped
> the private
> : e-mails with you and a most others in here. Can you say the same?
> When I do
> : happen to private e-mail or receive one from someone in here, rest
> assured,
> : you ARE NOT the subject JB, nor is anyone else in here.
> : This might help ya, it helps me quite often.
> :
> : "God, grant me the serenity
> : to accept the things I cannot change;
> : Courage to change the things I can;
> : And wisdom to know the difference."
> :
> : FWIT I plan on replying to any and all your post with something
> from the big
> : book so that you will have to spend more time on figuring out how
> you can
> : manipulate those words. I should have done this a long time ago
> with you and
> : Blue. (SMILE) And it helps me, too.
> :
> : Yours,
> : Gail
> :
> :
>
>

Gail

01-06-2005, 09:34 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:crkon3$c83$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:GalDd.10393$mu7.3938@fe03.lga...
>>
>> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
>> news:crkjjc$ogv$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> > "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
>> > news:wckDd.10291$QD6.7091@fe03.lga...
>> > JB wrote:
>
>> > You had for me a recommendation :^)
>> >
>> > FWIW, if I have something to say to you, I hope to always have
> the
>> > courage to say it to your face; not in gossip with someone else.
>> >
>> > JB
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I have said it to your face or at least the best I could considering
> it's a
>> damn computer. You keep accusing people of gossip. If I have and I
> have ave to r
>> something to say to you, I do it in here.
>
> Listen up and I'll try to explain as clearly as I can the thoughts
> that are now in my head.
>
> If I wanted to say to you via this NG, " Gail, I think you an idiot".
> I would speak directly to you by posting this comment in either a
> reply to something you've posted here or start a thread, maybe
> entitled "Ping Gail". In my books, that's as much as I could do on the
> internet to speak f2f to you.
>
> However, if I said to Blue Moon, as you've mentioned him, via this NG,
> "I think Gail a bloody fool", I'd be not talking directly to you but
> rather just gossiping about you. (NB: gossip (ÈgsIp) n. 1. casual
> and idle chat: to have a gossip with a friend.
> 2. a conversation involving malicious chatter or rumours about other
> people (Source: Collins English Dictionary). Probably if you saw that
> post to Blue, you'd be annoyed, and, IMO, you'd have every right to
> be. ! Similarly, I have every bit as much right as you, Rosie and
> anyone else here does to get annoyed when folk start gossping about
> me. Rarely, do I.
>
> Furthermore, you have every right to tell me that my talking about you
> to Blue has annoyed you. In return, if I came to believe that by
> gossiping about you to Blue I had done you a wrong, then, if I wanted
> to be a good little AAer, I'd have to make ammends to you. For me,
> in this instance, my ammend to you could involve apologising to you
> for having been gossiping about you followed by not gossiping about
> you again.
>
> If, after reading this post (which is me talking directly to you), you
> still do not understand what I'm talking about, then, IMO, maybe for
> you enlightenment will come from a power that's greater than myself.
>
> JB
>
>

Dear God,
Please help me to accept people, places and things.
Help me to know the meaning of true acceptance,
Most of all, help me to accept the things I cannot change.

Nite, Nite,
Gail

rosie readandpost

01-06-2005, 11:38 PM

"Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:VFmDd.10410$bR.4310@fe03.lga...
:
: "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: news:crkon3$c83$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
: >.............................. In return, if I came to believe
that by
: > gossiping about you to Blue I had done you a wrong, then, if I
wanted
: > to be a good little AAer, I'd have to make ammends to you. For
me,
: > in this instance, my ammend to you could involve apologising to
you
: > for having been gossiping about you followed by not gossiping
about
: > you again.
: >
: > If, after reading this post (which is me talking directly to
you), you
: > still do not understand what I'm talking about, then, IMO, maybe
for
: > you enlightenment will come from a power that's greater than
myself.
: >
: > JB
: >
: >

is anyone else getting dizzy reading this?
ROTFLMAO!

: "Gail" <loverules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:VFmDd.10410$bR.4310@fe03.lga...
: Dear God,
: Please help me to accept people, places and things.
: Help me to know the meaning of true acceptance,
: Most of all, help me to accept the things I cannot change.
:
: Nite, Nite,
: Gail
:
:

nite, nite, sleep tight sweetie!
rosie