Question for the AA Experts

[Scott W]

Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
and work the steps without having to attend
FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
that makes it very difficult to get anything
out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
benzos. Any ideas?
--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Robert McGregor]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> benzos. Any ideas?



Which of the 12 steps even mentions AA meetings?
http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm



Bob.
"If you think you want to change, you'll have to change your
thinking."

[Clinton Gandy]

Scott, same problem here. It's been five months. Going to meetings
literally hurt. I am so anxiety ridden and freaked out that i don't
focus or can't focus.

I know they have online AAS meetings but I haven't searched them out.

As big as the agoraphobie problem is, the God problem is bigger.

you can email me if you want, I am sober.

[Colonel polyPs]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> benzos. Any ideas?
> --
> "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

The experts are con artists.

Main Entry: ag·o·ra·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "ag(-&)-r&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: abnormal fear of being helpless in a situation from which escape may
be difficult or embarrassing that is characterized initially often by
panic or anticipatory anxiety and finally by avoidance of open or public
places


No matter how much of an asshole I may think you are. It is my belief
that anyone can change if they want to. The asshole that 12 stepped me
said he loved me but didn't like me.
I do not worry about what he said now because he was a deluded
psychopath that was a baptist preacher that liked to get falling down
drunk before his sermons and when he got sober he would hang around
newly sober ladies to eat them out.

I disagree with the death penalty except for those that want to take my
freedom away.
Alcoholism is a social disease and in the US being in public is deadly.
I have had hundreds of assaults directed at me. Some of these assaults
have resulted in injury to my body yet I cannot defend myself until we
have a civil war.

AA is propably the worst place to get sober for those who are not good
ole boys.

I am not sure you are abnormally afraid. You have every right to be
afraid and that is reality.
When you become honest with your self and see that you will know why the
word anomynous is used.
Alcoholism will kill you slowly and it is much more difficult to
continue drinking than to quit.
In the beginning you will suffer waves of self pity and resentments
which will pass with deep meditations to your own survival.
The ego must be smashed.
And like the doormouse said in Alice and Wonderland, "feed your head".

[JB]

"Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...

> you can email me if you want, I am sober.

Good for you. When did you stop drinking ?

JB

[rosie readandpost]

please DO give on-line AA a chance..............you are NOT the only
agoraphobic who uses this approach!

http://www.aa-intergroup.org/directories/email.html



"Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
: Scott, same problem here. It's been five months. Going to meetings
: literally hurt. I am so anxiety ridden and freaked out that i
don't
: focus or can't focus.
:
: I know they have online AAS meetings but I haven't searched them
out.
:
: As big as the agoraphobie problem is, the God problem is bigger.
:
: you can email me if you want, I am sober.
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:

[JB]

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eAEud.15187$NO5.2717@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> please DO give on-line AA a chance..............you are NOT the only
> agoraphobic who uses this approach!
>
> http://www.aa-intergroup.org/directories/email.html

Rosie has directed you to one type of on-line meeting which can be
accessed through AA Intergroup. At Intergroup's Home page you'll
discover links to AA groups which run e-mail meetings only: others
which run e-mail meetings plus chat rooms and discussion forums and
yet others which run discussion forums only. AA Intergroup's Home
page is:

www.aa-intergroup.org

JB

> "Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...

> : I know they have online AAS meetings but I haven't searched them
> out.

[Scott W]

In article <31vmc4F3e2rh8U1@individual.net>,
robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au says...
> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > and work the steps without having to attend
> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > benzos. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Which of the 12 steps even mentions AA meetings?
> http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm
>
>
>
> Bob.
> "If you think you want to change, you'll have to change your
> thinking."
>
>
>
I don't know. That's why I was asking the AA Experts!
--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Scott W]

In article <27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>, crg903
@webtv.net says...
> Scott, same problem here. It's been five months. Going to meetings
> literally hurt. I am so anxiety ridden and freaked out that i don't
> focus or can't focus.
>
> I know they have online AAS meetings but I haven't searched them out.
>
> As big as the agoraphobie problem is, the God problem is bigger.
>
> you can email me if you want, I am sober.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Alright I will,then.
--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Scott W]

In article <cpepok012id@enews4.newsguy.com>, USisEvil@vooodoo.diz
says...
>
> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > and work the steps without having to attend
> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > benzos. Any ideas?
> > --
> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
>
> The experts are con artists.
>
> Main Entry: ag·o·ra·pho·bia
> Pronunciation: "ag(-&)-r&-'fO-bE-&
> Function: noun
> : abnormal fear of being helpless in a situation from which escape may
> be difficult or embarrassing that is characterized initially often by
> panic or anticipatory anxiety and finally by avoidance of open or public
> places
>
>
> No matter how much of an asshole I may think you are. It is my belief
> that anyone can change if they want to. The asshole that 12 stepped me
> said he loved me but didn't like me.
> I do not worry about what he said now because he was a deluded
> psychopath that was a baptist preacher that liked to get falling down
> drunk before his sermons and when he got sober he would hang around
> newly sober ladies to eat them out.
>
> I disagree with the death penalty except for those that want to take my
> freedom away.
> Alcoholism is a social disease and in the US being in public is deadly.
> I have had hundreds of assaults directed at me. Some of these assaults
> have resulted in injury to my body yet I cannot defend myself until we
> have a civil war.
>
> AA is propably the worst place to get sober for those who are not good
> ole boys.
>
> I am not sure you are abnormally afraid. You have every right to be
> afraid and that is reality.
> When you become honest with your self and see that you will know why the
> word anomynous is used.
> Alcoholism will kill you slowly and it is much more difficult to
> continue drinking than to quit.
> In the beginning you will suffer waves of self pity and resentments
> which will pass with deep meditations to your own survival.
> The ego must be smashed.
> And like the doormouse said in Alice and Wonderland, "feed your head".
>
After I was poisoned with experimental doses of LSD and other
unknown drugs by the US Army, my ego became fractured and
destroyed anyway. And I think that many of us who've gone
thru that type of brainwashing have also developed these
abnormal panic disorders. I feel no self-pity or resentments.


--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Scott W]

In article <cperj3$q20$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, JBCatRB@coldman.com
says...
>
> "Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
>
> > you can email me if you want, I am sober.
>
> Good for you. When did you stop drinking ?
>
I'm on my third day of Chlordiazepoxide stabilization
and abstinence. I slept great last night and
I'm incredibly hungry and anxious over financial
and legal obligations.

--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Scott W]

In article <cpf7rk$onm$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, JBCatRB@coldman.com
says...
>
> " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eAEud.15187$NO5.2717@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > please DO give on-line AA a chance..............you are NOT the only
> > agoraphobic who uses this approach!
> >
> > http://www.aa-intergroup.org/directories/email.html
>
> Rosie has directed you to one type of on-line meeting which can be
> accessed through AA Intergroup. At Intergroup's Home page you'll
> discover links to AA groups which run e-mail meetings only: others
> which run e-mail meetings plus chat rooms and discussion forums and
> yet others which run discussion forums only. AA Intergroup's Home
> page is:
>
> www.aa-intergroup.org

Also, I was wondering if there was the complete
Blue Book contained on a website somewhere.


>
> JB
>
> > "Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
>
> > : I know they have online AAS meetings but I haven't searched them
> > out.
>
>
>

--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Tom]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings?

Of course. Get your hands on a copy of the Big Book and read it. Follow the instructions as they
unfold. If you get stuck or confused, call someone who has worked the steps.

You'll miss a lot of things not going to meetings and you may not fully recover. There are many true
friend to be found in AA meetings, many social retards as well.
____
Tom

[Nat]

You bet there is! On-line AA meetings. I'm no more "expert" than anyone else
in AA, but I know about this as I belong to one that is solid AA.

Email me directly and I'll tell you more about it.

nat h. An alcoholic in
Oxford, AR

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings.

[Colonel polyPs]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:320r2gF3flo1tU6@individual.net...
> In article <cpepok012id@enews4.newsguy.com>, USisEvil@vooodoo.diz
> says...
> >
> > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > > and work the steps without having to attend
> > > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > > benzos. Any ideas?
> > > --
> > > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
> >
> > The experts are con artists.
> >
> > Main Entry: ag·o·ra·pho·bia
> > Pronunciation: "ag(-&)-r&-'fO-bE-&
> > Function: noun
> > : abnormal fear of being helpless in a situation from which escape
may
> > be difficult or embarrassing that is characterized initially often
by
> > panic or anticipatory anxiety and finally by avoidance of open or
public
> > places
> >
> >
> > No matter how much of an asshole I may think you are. It is my
belief
> > that anyone can change if they want to. The asshole that 12 stepped
me
> > said he loved me but didn't like me.
> > I do not worry about what he said now because he was a deluded
> > psychopath that was a baptist preacher that liked to get falling
down
> > drunk before his sermons and when he got sober he would hang around
> > newly sober ladies to eat them out.
> >
> > I disagree with the death penalty except for those that want to take
my
> > freedom away.
> > Alcoholism is a social disease and in the US being in public is
deadly.
> > I have had hundreds of assaults directed at me. Some of these
assaults
> > have resulted in injury to my body yet I cannot defend myself until
we
> > have a civil war.
> >
> > AA is propably the worst place to get sober for those who are not
good
> > ole boys.
> >
> > I am not sure you are abnormally afraid. You have every right to be
> > afraid and that is reality.
> > When you become honest with your self and see that you will know why
the
> > word anomynous is used.
> > Alcoholism will kill you slowly and it is much more difficult to
> > continue drinking than to quit.
> > In the beginning you will suffer waves of self pity and resentments
> > which will pass with deep meditations to your own survival.
> > The ego must be smashed.
> > And like the doormouse said in Alice and Wonderland, "feed your
head".
> >
> After I was poisoned with experimental doses of LSD and other
> unknown drugs by the US Army, my ego became fractured and
> destroyed anyway. And I think that many of us who've gone

Ego is better destroyed. My brother was poisoned also by the US military
and he did not make it.

> thru that type of brainwashing have also developed these
> abnormal panic disorders. I feel no self-pity or resentments.

A. B. Normal (Young Frankenstein) panic disorders only get more
cluttered with alcohol. Those are issues that must be dealt with after
the main culprit is out of the way. It is ok to procrastinate minor
problems, like having microchips stuck in your back.
But the main number 1 problem being king alcohol must be arrested to
prevent alter egos from developing.
You will most likely feel waves of self pity and resentment the first
year anyway after you leave the pink cloud and are left with trying to
pass through puberty. Alcohol cluttered the thought process and anybody
that does not feel angry or fearful is probably drugged or skipping
merrily down the road on a sunny afternoon.

Take away the alcohol, you are left with yourself. That is a dangerous
place to be wandering about aimlessly trying to stay sober. There are
alot of assholes in AA but it is a good place to hang in the beginning
since there are really no other places where peaceful people can legally
gather in the police states.
If it isn't a church or AA it is a drinking establishment. You do not
have much choice.
Churches totally suck and in my opinion are violent.

I am not an AA expert. I only have AA experience.

[Colonel polyPs]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:320rg1F3flo1tU10@individual.net...
> In article <cpf7rk$onm$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, JBCatRB@coldman.com
> says...
> >
> > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> > news:eAEud.15187$NO5.2717@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > please DO give on-line AA a chance..............you are NOT the
only
> > > agoraphobic who uses this approach!
> > >
> > > http://www.aa-intergroup.org/directories/email.html
> >
> > Rosie has directed you to one type of on-line meeting which can be
> > accessed through AA Intergroup. At Intergroup's Home page you'll
> > discover links to AA groups which run e-mail meetings only: others
> > which run e-mail meetings plus chat rooms and discussion forums and
> > yet others which run discussion forums only. AA Intergroup's Home
> > page is:
> >
> > www.aa-intergroup.org
>
> Also, I was wondering if there was the complete
> Blue Book contained on a website somewhere.

You mean the twelve and twelve?

or the BB
http://www.nokama.com/bigbook/index.cfm?fuseaction=main

[Stewart&Jackie]

not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group support"
which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main thing you
will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a seemingly
hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor" capable
and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you the 12
steps.
good luck
"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> benzos. Any ideas?
> --
> "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

[Colonel PolyPs]

Load of shit.
If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.

Yous gots to look like a christian jew cop.

Change of attitude only comes after they rob you and extort you into
nothing.
So do not listen to the garbage. Go to an anomynous meeting and listen
to these frozen smile people that scratch their balls and shake your
hand with ball grease.
A bunch of phony fuckers. You only got to remember that the change of
scenery goes with the same goddamned drunks killing people while drunk
come into AA and still cause alcoholic messes.
Now they may be dealing crack in a country western bar while on leave
from the killing in the middle east. Tomorrow they may be sitting in an
AA meeting with the dizzy smile and flashy diamond ring telling you they
had nothing and now they got everything.

DO NOT LET ANY OF THE HOME WRECKERS IN YOUR HOME.


"Stewart&Jackie" <sessmo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:Hpvvd.566923$D%.458206@attbi_s51...
> not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group
support"
> which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main
thing you
> will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a
seemingly
> hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor"
capable
> and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you the
12
> steps.
> good luck
> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > and work the steps without having to attend
> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > benzos. Any ideas?
> > --
> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
>
>

[SeppDietrich@comcast.net]

Hey Dane,you still got that chip stuck in your back?I can do something
about that for you son.
"Sepp"

[Stewart&Jackie]

1st of all your assumptions of who i am or what i may look like are
incorrect (no big surprise).
2nd of all your reply is a classic case of "Constant Complaining - Never
Accomplishing (anything)".
3rd of all given the sound of your attitude, it is little wonder that your
spouse would find anyone more attractive than you. you don't need any help
"wrecking your (home?)", you sound as though your attitude has already done
a splendid job of it. you sound as though you have been "picked on" and
"made fun of" because of your inadequacies. for that part, i pity you.
your (obvious) unwillingness to change generates no pity from me. we become
who we make ourselves. if we choose to make ourselves "constant complainers"
and "professional offended parties" then that is what we will become.
sounds like you do have one accomplishment after all.
congradulations!!!!!!!!!
"Colonel PolyPs" <voodoo@diz.eze> wrote in message
news:cppsga01kue@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Load of shit.
> If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.
>
> Yous gots to look like a christian jew cop.
>
> Change of attitude only comes after they rob you and extort you into
> nothing.
> So do not listen to the garbage. Go to an anomynous meeting and listen
> to these frozen smile people that scratch their balls and shake your
> hand with ball grease.
> A bunch of phony fuckers. You only got to remember that the change of
> scenery goes with the same goddamned drunks killing people while drunk
> come into AA and still cause alcoholic messes.
> Now they may be dealing crack in a country western bar while on leave
> from the killing in the middle east. Tomorrow they may be sitting in an
> AA meeting with the dizzy smile and flashy diamond ring telling you they
> had nothing and now they got everything.
>
> DO NOT LET ANY OF THE HOME WRECKERS IN YOUR HOME.
>
>
> "Stewart&Jackie" <sessmo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:Hpvvd.566923$D%.458206@attbi_s51...
>> not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group
> support"
>> which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main
> thing you
>> will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a
> seemingly
>> hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor"
> capable
>> and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you the
> 12
>> steps.
>> good luck
>> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
>> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
>> > and work the steps without having to attend
>> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
>> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
>> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
>> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
>> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
>> > benzos. Any ideas?
>> > --
>> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
>>
>>
>
>

[Tara]

Stewart&Jackie wrote:
>
> 1st of all your assumptions of who i am or what i may look like are
> incorrect (no big surprise).
> 2nd of all your reply is a classic case of "Constant Complaining - Never
> Accomplishing (anything)".
> 3rd of all given the sound of your attitude, it is little wonder that your
> spouse would find anyone more attractive than you. you don't need any help
> "wrecking your (home?)", you sound as though your attitude has already done
> a splendid job of it. you sound as though you have been "picked on" and
> "made fun of" because of your inadequacies. for that part, i pity you.
> your (obvious) unwillingness to change generates no pity from me. we become
> who we make ourselves. if we choose to make ourselves "constant complainers"
> and "professional offended parties" then that is what we will become.
> sounds like you do have one accomplishment after all.
> congradulations!!!!!!!!!

Wow. Stewart & Jackie, have you met Tim & Lisa?

I can't believe their ng has a pair of these as well.

I wonder if you get a free pair when you buy a set of Ginsu knives.

Tara

[F.H.]

Tara wrote:
> Stewart&Jackie wrote:
>
>>1st of all your assumptions of who i am or what i may look like are

snip / / /

> Wow. Stewart & Jackie, have you met Tim & Lisa?
> I can't believe their ng has a pair of these as well.
> I wonder if you get a free pair when you buy a set of Ginsu knives.
>
> Tara

ROTFL

[Trenchcat]

I still hope for civil war to legally kill you so another citizen who is
more deserving can get sober.

Exterminate the christian jew cop government

"Stewart&Jackie" <sessmo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:733wd.576063$D%.480522@attbi_s51...
> 1st of all your assumptions of who i am or what i may look like are

> "Colonel PolyPs" <voodoo@diz.eze> wrote in message
> news:cppsga01kue@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > Load of shit.
> > If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.
> >
> > Yous gots to look like a christian jew cop.
> >
> > Change of attitude only comes after they rob you and extort you into
> > nothing.
> > So do not listen to the garbage. Go to an anomynous meeting and
listen
> > to these frozen smile people that scratch their balls and shake your
> > hand with ball grease.
> > A bunch of phony fuckers. You only got to remember that the change
of
> > scenery goes with the same goddamned drunks killing people while
drunk
> > come into AA and still cause alcoholic messes.
> > Now they may be dealing crack in a country western bar while on
leave
> > from the killing in the middle east. Tomorrow they may be sitting in
an
> > AA meeting with the dizzy smile and flashy diamond ring telling you
they
> > had nothing and now they got everything.
> >
> > DO NOT LET ANY OF THE HOME WRECKERS IN YOUR HOME.
> >
> >
> > "Stewart&Jackie" <sessmo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> > news:Hpvvd.566923$D%.458206@attbi_s51...
> >> not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group
> > support"
> >> which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main
> > thing you
> >> will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a
> > seemingly
> >> hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor"
> > capable
> >> and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you
the
> > 12
> >> steps.
> >> good luck
> >> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> >> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> >> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> >> > and work the steps without having to attend
> >> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> >> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> >> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> >> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> >> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> >> > benzos. Any ideas?
> >> > --
> >> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Nat]

Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.

> If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.

[Dan McGown]

"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:l8udneFZVNI6UlzcRVn-rQ@centurytel.net...
> Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.

Yeah, I've been hanging back, waiting to see if they change the group
name to "alt.homophobic.juvenile.bigot"
They seem to arrive in clusters.
The real problem is that sometimes it chases away the people who came
here to discuss on-topic matters. It's like the economic principle of bad
money driving out the good.
I guess that merely dealing with alcohol addiction isn't enough to
occupy the attention of the sophomore mind since at that intellectual age
(it's not a matter of mere calendar years) people seem to believe that they
understand everything.
-- or perhaps, if they aren't dealing with their alcohol addiction, it
just makes them feel better to kick someone that they perceive as being
down.

[Gail]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:46:33 -0500, "Dan McGown"
<dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote:

>"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>news:l8udneFZVNI6UlzcRVn-rQ@centurytel.net...
>> Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.
>
> Yeah, I've been hanging back, waiting to see if they change the group
>name to "alt.homophobic.juvenile.bigot"
> They seem to arrive in clusters.
> The real problem is that sometimes it chases away the people who came
>here to discuss on-topic matters. It's like the economic principle of bad
>money driving out the good.
> I guess that merely dealing with alcohol addiction isn't enough to
>occupy the attention of the sophomore mind since at that intellectual age
>(it's not a matter of mere calendar years) people seem to believe that they
>understand everything.
> -- or perhaps, if they aren't dealing with their alcohol addiction, it
>just makes them feel better to kick someone that they perceive as being
>down.
>


Hi Dan. We do get some really sick jerks in here sometimes. If I open
a post and it has queer, faggot, slut, kill the jews etc. etc. I try
not to open and read their trash again. Best thing to do is not even
reply to their crap. That is what they want. I'll be damned if I let
some sick kid or sick adult ruin my day with their, not just juvenile,
but just plain ignorance and uneducated actions. I guess we can pray
that God restores them to sanity one day. ;) It will definately be
their own fault and misfortune if He doesn't!
What I think is so funny is that they change their e-mail address so
that they aren't blocked and actually think people read their trash
again. We can block em and if they appear, just block the crap out of
em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed the
trolls.
Take care,
Gail

[Dan McGown]

> Hi Dan. We do get some really sick jerks in here sometimes. If I open
> a post and it has queer, faggot, slut, kill the jews etc. etc. I try
> not to open and read their trash again. Best thing to do is not even
> reply to their crap. That is what they want. I'll be damned if I let
> some sick kid or sick adult ruin my day with their, not just juvenile,
> but just plain ignorance and uneducated actions. I guess we can pray
> that God restores them to sanity one day. ;) It will definately be
> their own fault and misfortune if He doesn't!
> What I think is so funny is that they change their e-mail address so
> that they aren't blocked and actually think people read their trash
> again. We can block em and if they appear, just block the crap out of
> em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
> back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed the
> trolls.
> Take care,
> Gail

Gail,
Exactly. Today in NE Ohio was clear and moderately cold but very
bright sunshiny glorious day. Way too good a day to waste on stuff like
that. Enjoy 'em while they're here, remember them when they've gone and
look forward to their return when it looks gloomy, eh Gail?
Dan

[rosie readandpost]

some of the schools are out for christmas break, its only going to
get worse before it gets better!

[rosie readandpost]

"Gail" <love-rules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:dtn3s0lo9rv6rci4iogh8oomj3i9bq3qe3@4ax.com...
:........................... We can block em and if they appear,
just block the crap out of
: em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
: back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed
the
: trolls.
: Take care,
: Gail

that is what i do.......................you should see the size of
my killfile!
once a month i empty it, except for a few, and it keeps the crap to
a minimum!

how are you gail?
getting ready for the holidays?
i have noticed that our F2F meetings around here and increasing in
population.............holidays can be very stressful!

rosie

[Gail]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:52:43 GMT, " rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>"Gail" <love-rules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
>news:dtn3s0lo9rv6rci4iogh8oomj3i9bq3qe3@4ax.com...
>:........................... We can block em and if they appear,
>just block the crap out of
>: em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
>: back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed
>the
>: trolls.
>: Take care,
>: Gail
>
>that is what i do.......................you should see the size of
>my killfile!
>once a month i empty it, except for a few, and it keeps the crap to
>a minimum!
>
>how are you gail?
>getting ready for the holidays?
>i have noticed that our F2F meetings around here and increasing in
>population.............holidays can be very stressful!
>
>rosie
>

I am better than I was this time last year. That's for sure. ;)
Yes, I am ready for Christmas and the prediction is that it could be
a white one. I hope so!
Christmas was always a terrible time for me. I used to start getting
depressed around September and dreading the holiday long before it
arrived. I look forward to getting together with my family now.
Take care,
Gail

[Trenchcat]

"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:l8udneFZVNI6UlzcRVn-rQ@centurytel.net...
> Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.
>
> > If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.

So then you agree with me.

That's what face to face meetings are.
If you do not look like a white redneck go somewhere else.
That is why I hope for a civil war to legally kill republicans.

[Trenchcat]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:Oc-dnYFEj46QRVzcRVn-hA@adelphia.com...
> "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> news:l8udneFZVNI6UlzcRVn-rQ@centurytel.net...
> > Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.
>
> Yeah, I've been hanging back, waiting to see if they change the
group
> name to "alt.homophobic.juvenile.bigot"
> They seem to arrive in clusters.
> The real problem is that sometimes it chases away the people who
came
> here to discuss on-topic matters. It's like the economic principle of
bad

Thats right. The topic is not "my garlfriend" or "I have cancer" or
"Jesus, mary and Joseph"

THe topic is alcohol so go do another bong.


> money driving out the good.
> I guess that merely dealing with alcohol addiction isn't enough
to
> occupy the attention of the sophomore mind since at that intellectual
age
> (it's not a matter of mere calendar years) people seem to believe that
they
> understand everything.
> -- or perhaps, if they aren't dealing with their alcohol
addiction, it
> just makes them feel better to kick someone that they perceive as
being
> down.
>
>

[Trenchcat]

"Gail" <love-rules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
news:dtn3s0lo9rv6rci4iogh8oomj3i9bq3qe3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:46:33 -0500, "Dan McGown"
> <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> >"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> >news:l8udneFZVNI6UlzcRVn-rQ@centurytel.net...
> >> Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.
> >
> > Yeah, I've been hanging back, waiting to see if they change the
group
> >name to "alt.homophobic.juvenile.bigot"
> > They seem to arrive in clusters.
> > The real problem is that sometimes it chases away the people who
came
> >here to discuss on-topic matters. It's like the economic principle
of bad
> >money driving out the good.
> > I guess that merely dealing with alcohol addiction isn't enough
to
> >occupy the attention of the sophomore mind since at that intellectual
age
> >(it's not a matter of mere calendar years) people seem to believe
that they
> >understand everything.
> > -- or perhaps, if they aren't dealing with their alcohol
addiction, it
> >just makes them feel better to kick someone that they perceive as
being
> >down.
> >
>
>
> Hi Dan. We do get some really sick jerks in here sometimes. If I open
> a post and it has queer, faggot, slut, kill the jews etc. etc. I try
> not to open and read their trash again. Best thing to do is not even
> reply to their crap. That is what they want. I'll be damned if I let
> some sick kid or sick adult ruin my day with their, not just juvenile,
> but just plain ignorance and uneducated actions. I guess we can pray
> that God restores them to sanity one day. ;) It will definately be
> their own fault and misfortune if He doesn't!
> What I think is so funny is that they change their e-mail address so
> that they aren't blocked and actually think people read their trash
> again. We can block em and if they appear, just block the crap out of
> em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
> back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed the
> trolls.


Who you calling a troll, jew nigger bitch?

> Take care,
> Gail

[Trenchcat]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:yN-dnZz6Vsl-mV_cRVn-og@adelphia.com...
> > Hi Dan. We do get some really sick jerks in here sometimes. If I
open
> > a post and it has queer, faggot, slut, kill the jews etc. etc. I try
> > not to open and read their trash again. Best thing to do is not even
> > reply to their crap. That is what they want. I'll be damned if I let
> > some sick kid or sick adult ruin my day with their, not just
juvenile,
> > but just plain ignorance and uneducated actions. I guess we can pray
> > that God restores them to sanity one day. ;) It will definately be
> > their own fault and misfortune if He doesn't!
> > What I think is so funny is that they change their e-mail address so
> > that they aren't blocked and actually think people read their trash
> > again. We can block em and if they appear, just block the crap out
of
> > em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
> > back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed
the
> > trolls.
> > Take care,
> > Gail
>
> Gail,
> Exactly. Today in NE Ohio was clear and moderately cold but very

What we need is a civil war to legally kill democrats that vote
republican.

[Nat]

Hang in there Gal! Yes, Christmas is stressful for a lot of AA's. What helps
me the most is meetings, I go to a lot of them this time of year.
AA hugs to ya,
nat
Oxford, AR

> I am better than I was this time last year. That's for sure. ;)
> Yes, I am ready for Christmas and the prediction is that it could be
> a white one. I hope so!
> Christmas was always a terrible time for me. I used to start getting
> depressed around September and dreading the holiday long before it
> arrived. I look forward to getting together with my family now.
> Take care,
> Gail
>

[SeppDietrich@comcast.net]

Do you still have a microchip in your ass?I have a nice sharp
Applegate-Fairburn combat folder,I'll take it out for you Dane.
"Sepp"

[Gail]

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:38:44 -0600, "Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>Hang in there Gal! Yes, Christmas is stressful for a lot of AA's. What helps
>me the most is meetings, I go to a lot of them this time of year.
>AA hugs to ya,
>nat
>Oxford, AR
>
>> I am better than I was this time last year. That's for sure. ;)
>> Yes, I am ready for Christmas and the prediction is that it could be
>> a white one. I hope so!
>> Christmas was always a terrible time for me. I used to start getting
>> depressed around September and dreading the holiday long before it
>> arrived. I look forward to getting together with my family now.
>> Take care,
>> Gail
>>
>


Hi Nat. Thanks for the best wishes. I haven't dreaded Christmas for
the last five years now. All those years I drank I would volunteer to
work just so that I didn't have to be around family. If I didn't get
to work I would tell my family I had to and stay home and get drunk. I
am so grateful those days are over.
Last year I did something really stupid. I won't get into it now. Took
a good while to get over it but, I am doing real good now. People, and
myself, thought that I had a breakdown. I now believe it was a
breakthrough.;)
So, you are from Arizona? I do believe that is the most beautiful
state there is.
Merry Christmas!
Gail

[Bobby L]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:320qngF3flo1tU4@individual.net...
> In article <31vmc4F3e2rh8U1@individual.net>,
> robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au says...
> > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > > and work the steps without having to attend
> > > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > > benzos. Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Which of the 12 steps even mentions AA meetings?
> > http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob.
> > "If you think you want to change, you'll have to change your
> > thinking."
> >
> >
> >
> I don't know. That's why I was asking the AA Experts!
> --
> "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan



Scott,

I didn't get sober at meetings. I don't think I've ever worked a step at
a meeting (at least not consciously). I got sober by not drinking. I
learned it was easier to keep not drinking as I worked through the steps --
with another alcoholic who had already worked through them himself.
The advantage of meetings is that it is one place where you usually find a
bunch of sober alcoholics. Let's face it -- we probably both know where to
find a bunch of drunk alcoholics.
Meetings are where I found sober alcoholics who had learned how to live
more or less happily without alcohol. Of course I also found a bunch of
alcoholics who had yet to learn how to live happily that way. No great
gurus here.... just a bunch of initially nameless alcoholics trying to help
each other, and some of us are still sicker than others.
There are Central Offices in more countries than I can name -- call the
nearest and explain your situation. If you wish, perhaps they can arrange
to have a couple of alcoholics come to you or meet you at a location more in
line with your situation. I went to meetings because that was what I
needed, but there is no magic formula that says you have to attend meetings.
Don't feel like the lone ranger on this one... I have come to learn that
many of us have many more problems other than just alcoholism.
You might want to find a couple of alcoholics who are working the program
and talk about the program. The more I think about your question, the more I
would suggest that all you need is a Big Book, a little guidance, and a
little willingness -- well, and a desire to stop drinking.
I still go to meetings regularly, because I like being around sober
alcoholics who understand what I'm feeling. That said, the bulk of
"practicing these principals" in the rest of my life is done outside
meetings -- with other folks who have recovered from this "seemingly
hopeless state of mind and body."
You might want to take some time and read through "The Doctor's Opinion" a
few times and decide whether or not you are an alcoholic.

Just a thought or two.

Bobby L

[Scott W]

In article <BJNwd.16$e33.0@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
BobbyL2000spam@bellsouth.net says...
>
> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:320qngF3flo1tU4@individual.net...
> > In article <31vmc4F3e2rh8U1@individual.net>,
> > robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au says...
> > > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > > news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > > > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > > > and work the steps without having to attend
> > > > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > > > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > > > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > > > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > > > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > > > benzos. Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Which of the 12 steps even mentions AA meetings?
> > > http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob.
> > > "If you think you want to change, you'll have to change your
> > > thinking."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I don't know. That's why I was asking the AA Experts!
> > --
> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
>
>
>
> Scott,
>
> I didn't get sober at meetings. I don't think I've ever worked a step at
> a meeting (at least not consciously). I got sober by not drinking. I
> learned it was easier to keep not drinking as I worked through the steps --
> with another alcoholic who had already worked through them himself.
> The advantage of meetings is that it is one place where you usually find a
> bunch of sober alcoholics. Let's face it -- we probably both know where to
> find a bunch of drunk alcoholics.
> Meetings are where I found sober alcoholics who had learned how to live
> more or less happily without alcohol. Of course I also found a bunch of
> alcoholics who had yet to learn how to live happily that way. No great
> gurus here.... just a bunch of initially nameless alcoholics trying to help
> each other, and some of us are still sicker than others.
> There are Central Offices in more countries than I can name -- call the
> nearest and explain your situation. If you wish, perhaps they can arrange
> to have a couple of alcoholics come to you or meet you at a location more in
> line with your situation. I went to meetings because that was what I
> needed, but there is no magic formula that says you have to attend meetings.
> Don't feel like the lone ranger on this one... I have come to learn that
> many of us have many more problems other than just alcoholism.
> You might want to find a couple of alcoholics who are working the program
> and talk about the program. The more I think about your question, the more I
> would suggest that all you need is a Big Book, a little guidance, and a
> little willingness -- well, and a desire to stop drinking.
> I still go to meetings regularly, because I like being around sober
> alcoholics who understand what I'm feeling. That said, the bulk of
> "practicing these principals" in the rest of my life is done outside
> meetings -- with other folks who have recovered from this "seemingly
> hopeless state of mind and body."
> You might want to take some time and read through "The Doctor's Opinion" a
> few times and decide whether or not you are an alcoholic.
>
> Just a thought or two.
>
> Bobby L
>
I've been working with an addiction specialist in Wales
and he's really helped me out tremendously. Alcoholism
is a very simple problem -- it's the aftermath, that's
when the complexity and self-deception begins. I chose
to drink everytime I slammed down the bottle because
my father and others ensiled in my mind that whenever
there's a slight, easy to fix problem, the only solution
is to hit the bottle. And I've always known better than
that but it's always been an excuse to have some "fun"
; a "giggle in the bottle" and it always ends in regret
and failure -- at least 80% of the time, anyway.

--
"Laissez les bons temps rouler!" -"La Grenouille

[Bobby L]

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:32hst5F3n7r33U3@individual.net...
> In article <BJNwd.16$e33.0@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> BobbyL2000spam@bellsouth.net says...
> >
> > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > news:320qngF3flo1tU4@individual.net...
> > > In article <31vmc4F3e2rh8U1@individual.net>,
> > > robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au says...
> > > > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > > > news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > > > > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > > > > and work the steps without having to attend
> > > > > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > > > > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > > > > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > > > > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > > > > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > > > > benzos. Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which of the 12 steps even mentions AA meetings?
> > > > http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob.
> > > > "If you think you want to change, you'll have to change your
> > > > thinking."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I don't know. That's why I was asking the AA Experts!
> > > --
> > > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > I didn't get sober at meetings. I don't think I've ever worked a step
at
> > a meeting (at least not consciously). I got sober by not drinking. I
> > learned it was easier to keep not drinking as I worked through the
steps --
> > with another alcoholic who had already worked through them himself.
> > The advantage of meetings is that it is one place where you usually
find a
> > bunch of sober alcoholics. Let's face it -- we probably both know where
to
> > find a bunch of drunk alcoholics.
> > Meetings are where I found sober alcoholics who had learned how to
live
> > more or less happily without alcohol. Of course I also found a bunch of
> > alcoholics who had yet to learn how to live happily that way. No great
> > gurus here.... just a bunch of initially nameless alcoholics trying to
help
> > each other, and some of us are still sicker than others.
> > There are Central Offices in more countries than I can name -- call
the
> > nearest and explain your situation. If you wish, perhaps they can
arrange
> > to have a couple of alcoholics come to you or meet you at a location
more in
> > line with your situation. I went to meetings because that was what I
> > needed, but there is no magic formula that says you have to attend
meetings.
> > Don't feel like the lone ranger on this one... I have come to learn
that
> > many of us have many more problems other than just alcoholism.
> > You might want to find a couple of alcoholics who are working the
program
> > and talk about the program. The more I think about your question, the
more I
> > would suggest that all you need is a Big Book, a little guidance, and a
> > little willingness -- well, and a desire to stop drinking.
> > I still go to meetings regularly, because I like being around sober
> > alcoholics who understand what I'm feeling. That said, the bulk of
> > "practicing these principals" in the rest of my life is done outside
> > meetings -- with other folks who have recovered from this "seemingly
> > hopeless state of mind and body."
> > You might want to take some time and read through "The Doctor's
Opinion" a
> > few times and decide whether or not you are an alcoholic.
> >
> > Just a thought or two.
> >
> > Bobby L
> >
> I've been working with an addiction specialist in Wales
> and he's really helped me out tremendously. Alcoholism
> is a very simple problem -- it's the aftermath, that's
> when the complexity and self-deception begins. I chose
> to drink everytime I slammed down the bottle because
> my father and others ensiled in my mind that whenever
> there's a slight, easy to fix problem, the only solution
> is to hit the bottle. And I've always known better than
> that but it's always been an excuse to have some "fun"
> ; a "giggle in the bottle" and it always ends in regret
> and failure -- at least 80% of the time, anyway.
>
> --
> "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" -"La Grenouille

If you don't already have these:

North East Wales
Telephone 01244 659759
8.00am to 9pm
Remote call forwarding service

North West Wales
Telephone 01743 242392
24 Hour Remote call forwarding service

South West Wales
Telephone 01792 301907
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Bobby L

[Gail]

"Trenchcat" <freedom@world.new> wrote in message
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> "Gail" <love-rules@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> news:dtn3s0lo9rv6rci4iogh8oomj3i9bq3qe3@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:46:33 -0500, "Dan McGown"
>> <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Nat" <n515hoop@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>> >news:l8udneFZVNI6UlzcRVn-rQ@centurytel.net...
>> >> Good grief! ANOTHER juvenile trying to talk grownup.
>> >
>> > Yeah, I've been hanging back, waiting to see if they change the
> group
>> >name to "alt.homophobic.juvenile.bigot"
>> > They seem to arrive in clusters.
>> > The real problem is that sometimes it chases away the people who
> came
>> >here to discuss on-topic matters. It's like the economic principle
> of bad
>> >money driving out the good.
>> > I guess that merely dealing with alcohol addiction isn't enough
> to
>> >occupy the attention of the sophomore mind since at that intellectual
> age
>> >(it's not a matter of mere calendar years) people seem to believe
> that they
>> >understand everything.
>> > -- or perhaps, if they aren't dealing with their alcohol
> addiction, it
>> >just makes them feel better to kick someone that they perceive as
> being
>> >down.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan. We do get some really sick jerks in here sometimes. If I open
>> a post and it has queer, faggot, slut, kill the jews etc. etc. I try
>> not to open and read their trash again. Best thing to do is not even
>> reply to their crap. That is what they want. I'll be damned if I let
>> some sick kid or sick adult ruin my day with their, not just juvenile,
>> but just plain ignorance and uneducated actions. I guess we can pray
>> that God restores them to sanity one day. ;) It will definately be
>> their own fault and misfortune if He doesn't!
>> What I think is so funny is that they change their e-mail address so
>> that they aren't blocked and actually think people read their trash
>> again. We can block em and if they appear, just block the crap out of
>> em again. I do. I might respond to one of their post but, never go
>> back and read their reply..LOL Most of the time I try not to feed the
>> trolls.
>
>
> Who you calling a troll, jew nigger bitch?
>
>> Take care,
>> Gail
>
>

LOL! I am not jewish nor am I black. You were wrong on both counts Colon.
I am of Methodist faith and Democrat. I don't know what you have against
that? I am sure you will find something. I don't go to AA, I don't attend
church and I didn't vote for Bush but, I have no wish to kill the people
that do or did, reguardless of their ethnicity, religion or politcal
choice. I could ring your neck, though...;) That's a southern expression.
Dag on, I fed a troll!
See ya,
Gail

[Scott W]

In article <0fVwd.11777$Z27.11053@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
BobbyL2000spam@bellsouth.net says...
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> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:32hst5F3n7r33U3@individual.net...
> > In article <BJNwd.16$e33.0@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> > BobbyL2000spam@bellsouth.net says...
> > >
> > > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > > news:320qngF3flo1tU4@individual.net...
> > > > In article <31vmc4F3e2rh8U1@individual.net>,
> > > > robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au says...
> > > > > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > > > > news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > > > > > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > > > > > and work the steps without having to attend
> > > > > > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > > > > > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > > > > > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > > > > > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > > > > > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > > > > > benzos. Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Which of the 12 steps even mentions AA meetings?
> > > > > http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob.
> > > > > "If you think you want to change, you'll have to change your
> > > > > thinking."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I don't know. That's why I was asking the AA Experts!
> > > > --
> > > > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > I didn't get sober at meetings. I don't think I've ever worked a step
> at
> > > a meeting (at least not consciously). I got sober by not drinking. I
> > > learned it was easier to keep not drinking as I worked through the
> steps --
> > > with another alcoholic who had already worked through them himself.
> > > The advantage of meetings is that it is one place where you usually
> find a
> > > bunch of sober alcoholics. Let's face it -- we probably both know where
> to
> > > find a bunch of drunk alcoholics.
> > > Meetings are where I found sober alcoholics who had learned how to
> live
> > > more or less happily without alcohol. Of course I also found a bunch of
> > > alcoholics who had yet to learn how to live happily that way. No great
> > > gurus here.... just a bunch of initially nameless alcoholics trying to
> help
> > > each other, and some of us are still sicker than others.
> > > There are Central Offices in more countries than I can name -- call
> the
> > > nearest and explain your situation. If you wish, perhaps they can
> arrange
> > > to have a couple of alcoholics come to you or meet you at a location
> more in
> > > line with your situation. I went to meetings because that was what I
> > > needed, but there is no magic formula that says you have to attend
> meetings.
> > > Don't feel like the lone ranger on this one... I have come to learn
> that
> > > many of us have many more problems other than just alcoholism.
> > > You might want to find a couple of alcoholics who are working the
> program
> > > and talk about the program. The more I think about your question, the
> more I
> > > would suggest that all you need is a Big Book, a little guidance, and a
> > > little willingness -- well, and a desire to stop drinking.
> > > I still go to meetings regularly, because I like being around sober
> > > alcoholics who understand what I'm feeling. That said, the bulk of
> > > "practicing these principals" in the rest of my life is done outside
> > > meetings -- with other folks who have recovered from this "seemingly
> > > hopeless state of mind and body."
> > > You might want to take some time and read through "The Doctor's
> Opinion" a
> > > few times and decide whether or not you are an alcoholic.
> > >
> > > Just a thought or two.
> > >
> > > Bobby L
> > >
> > I've been working with an addiction specialist in Wales
> > and he's really helped me out tremendously. Alcoholism
> > is a very simple problem -- it's the aftermath, that's
> > when the complexity and self-deception begins. I chose
> > to drink everytime I slammed down the bottle because
> > my father and others ensiled in my mind that whenever
> > there's a slight, easy to fix problem, the only solution
> > is to hit the bottle. And I've always known better than
> > that but it's always been an excuse to have some "fun"
> > ; a "giggle in the bottle" and it always ends in regret
> > and failure -- at least 80% of the time, anyway.
> >
> > --
> > "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" -"La Grenouille
>
> If you don't already have these:
>
> North East Wales
> Telephone 01244 659759
> 8.00am to 9pm
> Remote call forwarding service
>
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>
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> Bobby L
>
>
>
will check it out
--
"Laissez les bons temps rouler!" -"La Grenouille

[Nat]

Sure: go to http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/
and browse around. there a long list of online AA groups.

Also: AA has the "Loner's" Program which is to help get the AA message to
those who cannot, for whatever reason, attend F2F meetings.

I wrote this and more to you earlier, suggesting that you email me for more
info. You didn't.

Nat H.
Oxford, Arkansas


> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> benzos. Any ideas?