Back at it

[Prop Rod]

Hey,

I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.

Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
good.


-Prop Rod

[Fred Exley]

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.
>
>
> -Prop Rod

Well, shucks. Sorry to hear of your relapse. I'm up to almost three months
dry, and so far have no desire to drink again. What made you pick up that
first drink after eight months?

-Fred

[John Droge]

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.
>
>
> -Prop Rod
>

Well Rod
You keep doing this to yourself because--now brace yourself--you are
probably an alcoholic like I am. Only you can tell this for sure about
yourself--but you is waddlin' and quackin' and you is probably a duck.
Last time you where here around Aug(?) it was suggested to you to check out
AA.
Did you?
Would you?
Could you?
What you have been doing before by definition has not worked. Time to
regroup and try something different if you want a different outcome. You
keep going out scouting and coming back with arrows in your back.
Peace
John

[Joe Jared]

Prop Rod wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic, actively
proving step 1.

The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be possible
for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news, you're
honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your ass
again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to try and
do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out to
others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of instructions
for it:

1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone grabs it.
They'll know what to do next. :)

>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.

A good cookbook solves the latter and might even turn into a good hobby.

[Robert McGregor]

"Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
news:416F5BD8.F138825A@oretek.com...
> Prop Rod wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself
>> back at
>> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>>
>> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep
>> doing
>> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic, actively
> proving step 1.
>
> The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be
> possible
> for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news,
> you're
> honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your ass
> again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to
> try and
> do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out to
> others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of
> instructions
> for it:
>
> 1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
> 2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone grabs
> it.
> They'll know what to do next. :)
>

"They'll know what to do next. :)"

Jeez, you're slightly less than humble about your collective selves,
aren't you.

Judging by AA's own statistics, if "They" is a typical AAer, "They"
will only be attending that meeting in between drinks anyway.

If that hand of AA reaches out to shake Rod's hand, it may be wise to
count his fingers, before "they" leave the building.

Bob.

(AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
"A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some 5%
of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is a
truly terrible statistic". (page 2)

[JB]

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

OK. Your mind tells you that it's OK for you to drink and, maybe,
that when you do that you'll be able to control how much you drink.
You have a body that reacts abnormally to alcohol.

Now, if you want to stop getting drunk, the first thing you need to do
is to not drink. Practice not drinking for no more than 24 hours at a
time and when that 24 hours is up, immediately start another. If you
can't manage to not drink for 24 hours, it's OK to not drink for a
much shorter period of time and when that period is up to immediately
start another of the same length. Since I quit drinking in June
2003, at times, I've had to work at not drinking on a fifteen minute
cycle.

If after stopping drinking, you work a recovery programme that's
designed to help those who work it to stop believing that it's OK for
them to drink and, maybe to eventually, come to no longer think about
having a drink maybe in time you'll find yourself no longer having
any desire to drink alcohol.

Before wishing you well, I'll just say that many folk have found the
solution to their problem drinking in the Fellowship of AA and AA's
recovery programme (ie its 12 Steps). Maybe you could also.

I wish you well.

JB

"It works if you work it so work it because you're worth it" - an AA
saying

[JB]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cko187$rlb$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

<snip>
> Before wishing you well, I'll just say that many folk have found the
> solution to their problem drinking in the Fellowship of AA and AA's
> recovery programme (ie its 12 Steps). Maybe you could also.
>
> I wish you well.
>
> JB
>
> "It works if you work it so work it because you're worth it" - an AA
> saying
>
PS: I should have also said that maybe your doctor could prescibe
something that might make it easier for you to cope with your body's
physical reaction to the withdrawal of alcohol, I think it possible
that you may know know more about meds that could help with this
aspect of recovery than I do.

JB

[rosie readandpost]

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...

:
: I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
: the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
:................. Why is it that I keep doing
: this to myself?


yours is a perfect example of INSANITY.............the insanity of
alcoholism, where we keep doing the same things and expecting
different results.

i remember before i quit for the final time, wondering how and why
my "best laid plans, for controlled drinking, always took me back to
the UNcontrolled drinking".
it was only after finding something (AA) that i was able to quit
successfully, and stay quit. (1982)

you were sober for eight months..............what did you STOP
doing?
what changed?

welcome back, and thanks for your honesty!

[Joe Jared]

Robert McGregor wrote:
>
> "Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
> news:416F5BD8.F138825A@oretek.com...
> > Prop Rod wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself
> >> back at
> >> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
> >>
> >> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep
> >> doing
> >> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
> >
> > By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic, actively
> > proving step 1.
> >
> > The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be
> > possible
> > for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news,
> > you're
> > honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your ass
> > again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to
> > try and
> > do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out to
> > others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of
> > instructions
> > for it:
> >
> > 1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
> > 2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone grabs
> > it.
> > They'll know what to do next. :)
> >
>
> "They'll know what to do next. :)"
>
> Jeez, you're slightly less than humble about your collective selves,
> aren't you.

No matter what a person says, someone will be adversarial about it.

> Judging by AA's own statistics, if "They" is a typical AAer, "They"
> will only be attending that meeting in between drinks anyway.

It's fairly easy to identify the winners in the program, for the most
part. I have an appreciation for newcommers simply because they serve
as a reminder from where I came.

>
> If that hand of AA reaches out to shake Rod's hand, it may be wise to
> count his fingers, before "they" leave the building.

I'm sure you can quote higher statistics for recovery homes/rehabs? My
first sponsor's sponsor, in the mid 80's had something to say about
statistics...

1 in 30 alcoholics dies sober.... He responded, "Those are terrible
odds!"... Don't worry about the odds, just be that 1.

[Robert McGregor]

"Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
news:4170BA4A.C10ACB0C@oretek.com...
> Robert McGregor wrote:
>>
>> "Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
>> news:416F5BD8.F138825A@oretek.com...
>> > Prop Rod wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey,
>> >>
>> >> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself
>> >> back at
>> >> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>> >>
>> >> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep
>> >> doing
>> >> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>> >
>> > By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic,
>> > actively
>> > proving step 1.
>> >
>> > The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be
>> > possible
>> > for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news,
>> > you're
>> > honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your
>> > ass
>> > again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to
>> > try and
>> > do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out
>> > to
>> > others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of
>> > instructions
>> > for it:
>> >
>> > 1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
>> > 2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone
>> > grabs
>> > it.
>> > They'll know what to do next. :)
>> >
>>
>> "They'll know what to do next. :)"
>>
>> Jeez, you're slightly less than humble about your collective
>> selves,
>> aren't you.
>
> No matter what a person says, someone will be adversarial about it.

If you always write crap like that, I guess you would always find
someone may be adversarial

Bob

[JB]

"Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
news:4170BA4A.C10ACB0C@oretek.com...

> It's fairly easy to identify the winners in the program, for the
most
> part. I have an appreciation for newcommers simply because they
serve
> as a reminder from where I came.

Recently, at an AA meeting, someone said something that has caused me
to think deeply about the phrase "Stick with the winners".

The word "winners" conjures up in my mind images of people who are
better than/more successful than others. Therefore, I see it's a word
that pampers/boosts the ego.

Having concluded this, I think it would not be right for me to use the
phrase "stick with the winners" when attempting to encourage someone
to keeping going to AA meetings and to work the 12 Steps. Instead, I
think I ought to explain that alcoholism is an illness which AA can
teach those who suffer from it how to successfully manage.

Best regards.

JB

[Dan McGown]

Joe,
All carping aside, I agree with the substance of your posts.
Dan

[Bobby L]

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.
>
>
> -Prop Rod
>

We drink mainly because we like the affects of alcohol. There are many ways
out there to try and get a handle on this thing. While you sound like you
want to get a handle on this, you do not sound like you're ready to do
whatever it takes. That being said AA might not be the thing for you yet.
Rehab, MM -- hell, you might even track down that Alocure fella and see what
he can do for you.

You might something simple -- like not drinking. It wasn't the last one
that fucked me up; it was the first one.

Bobby L

[JB]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:_4adne5CF5ZDhezcRVn-rw@adelphia.com...
> Joe,
> All carping aside, I agree with the substance of your posts.
> Dan
>
Hi Dan,

You've made me think that this NG would not be a "discussion group" if
no-one had the courage to express here different points of view.

JB

[Dan McGown]

> Hi Dan,
>
> You've made me think that this NG would not be a "discussion group" if
> no-one had the courage to express here different points of view.
>
> JB

I just think that a person ought to be able to suggest going to meetings
without someone, who has no positive suggestion to offer himself, saying
that people who go to meetings are hypocrites and fail 95% of the time.
Dan

[JB]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:pKadnfUZo4jp8ezcRVn-iA@adelphia.com...
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > You've made me think that this NG would not be a "discussion
group" if
> > no-one had the courage to express here different points of view.
> >
> > JB
>
> I just think that a person ought to be able to suggest going to
meetings
> without someone, who has no positive suggestion to offer himself,
saying
> that people who go to meetings are hypocrites and fail 95% of the
time.
> Dan

Dear Dan,

I did not see in Bob's post what you appear to have done:

I saw that there is concern that only 5% of newcomes are still
attending meetings after 12 months and wondered why so many were
chosing not to stay.

Maybe you would like to know that I left one of the F2F groups that I
joined in August last year after a few months simply because rarely
did I hear at its meetings anything that I thought beneficial to my
efforts to recover from alcoholism. This group was a Step/Tradition
Group and sometimes only the Chair spoke about the Step/Tradition
that had been chosen as the subject for discussion. Often I got the
impresson that this group was being run for the benefit of a few
people who were friends with each other and that the meeting was
merely a convenient oppotunity for them to chat about what they'd been
doing during the week. Often, I'd become bored with their chat and
either doze off in my chair or leave the meeting.

The other group I joined in August last year has many members who
attend its meetings regularly who pass on recovery-related messages
almost every time they share at that group's meetings. Several of
these members speak at almost every meeting they attend. Because I
have learnt from them a great deal that has helped me get to where I
now am in recovery I choose to continue going to this group's meetings
in the hope that I will continue hearing things that will benefit my
recovery. I go also because I enjoy the company. If anyone other
than me gains benefit from hearing anything that I chose to share at
meetings, that's my bonus.

ATB

JB

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"Judging by AA's own statistics, if "They" is a typical AAer, "They"
will only be attending that meeting in between drinks anyway.

If that hand of AA reaches out to shake Rod's hand, it may be wise to
count his fingers, before "they" leave the building.

Bob.

(AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
"A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some 5%
of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is a
truly terrible statistic". (page 2)
The point I thought He po

>
>

[Fred Exley]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:ckru6c$ijb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...


> Dear Dan,
>
> I did not see in Bob's post what you appear to have done:
>
> I saw that there is concern that only 5% of newcomes are still
> attending meetings after 12 months and wondered why so many were
> chosing not to stay.
>
> Maybe you would like to know that I left one of the F2F groups that I
> joined in August last year after a few months simply because rarely
> did I hear at its meetings anything that I thought beneficial to my
> efforts to recover from alcoholism. This group was a Step/Tradition
> Group and sometimes only the Chair spoke about the Step/Tradition
> that had been chosen as the subject for discussion. Often I got the
> impresson that this group was being run for the benefit of a few
> people who were friends with each other and that the meeting was
> merely a convenient oppotunity for them to chat about what they'd been
> doing during the week. Often, I'd become bored with their chat and
> either doze off in my chair or leave the meeting.
>
> The other group I joined in August last year has many members who
> attend its meetings regularly who pass on recovery-related messages
> almost every time they share at that group's meetings. Several of
> these members speak at almost every meeting they attend. Because I
> have learnt from them a great deal that has helped me get to where I
> now am in recovery I choose to continue going to this group's meetings
> in the hope that I will continue hearing things that will benefit my
> recovery. I go also because I enjoy the company. If anyone other
> than me gains benefit from hearing anything that I chose to share at
> meetings, that's my bonus.
>
> ATB
>
> JB

That's been my experience too -there is a very wide range of atmospheres in
A.A. meetings. If a newcomer doesn't like the look and feel of their first
meeting group, try another.

-Fred

[JB]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:pKadnfUZo4jp8ezcRVn-iA@adelphia.com...
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > You've made me think that this NG would not be a "discussion
group" if
> > no-one had the courage to express here different points of view.
> >
> > JB
>
> I just think that a person ought to be able to suggest going to
meetings
> without someone, who has no positive suggestion to offer himself,
saying
> that people who go to meetings are hypocrites and fail 95% of the
time.
> Dan

It's possible that some of you will see two copies of my original
reply to Dan. When I realised that the original message had
gobbledegook at the end I cancelled that message. What follows is
that original message (sans the gobbledegook)

Dear Dan,

I did not see in Bob's post what you appear to have done:

I saw that there is concern that only 5% of newcomers are still
attending meetings after 12 months and wondered why so many were
choosing not to stay.

Maybe you would like to know that I left one of the F2F groups that I
joined in August last year after a few months simply because rarely
did I hear at its meetings anything that I thought beneficial to my
efforts to recover from alcoholism. This group was a Step/Tradition
Group and sometimes only the Chair spoke about the Step/Tradition
that had been chosen as the subject for discussion. Often I got the
impression that this group was being run for the benefit of a few
people who were friends with each other and that the meeting was
merely a convenient opportunity for them to chat about what they'd
been
doing during the week. Often, I'd become bored with their chat and
either doze off in my chair or leave the meeting.

The other group I joined in August last year has many members who
attend its meetings regularly who pass on recovery-related messages
almost every time they share at that group's meetings. Several of
these members speak at almost every meeting they attend. Because I
have learnt from them a great deal that has helped me get to where I
now am in recovery I choose to continue going to this group's meetings
in the hope that I will continue hearing things that will benefit my
recovery. I go also because I enjoy the company. If anyone other
than me gains benefit from hearing anything that I chose to share at
meetings, that's my bonus.

ATB

JB

[Robert McGregor]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:pKadnfUZo4jp8ezcRVn-iA@adelphia.com...
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> You've made me think that this NG would not be a "discussion
>> group" if
>> no-one had the courage to express here different points of view.
>>
>> JB
>
> I just think that a person ought to be able to suggest going to
> meetings without someone, who has no positive suggestion to offer
> himself, saying that people who go to meetings are hypocrites and
> fail 95% of the time.
> Dan

Dan, if you ever manage to extract your proverbial head from your
metaphoric arse, you might even discover it's not all black and
white, that there is colour when you mix it where the real sun
shines.

KCB

Bob

[Dan McGown]

> Dan, if you ever manage to extract your proverbial head from your
> metaphoric arse, you might even discover it's not all black and white,
> that there is colour when you mix it where the real sun shines.
>
> KCB
>
> Bob

What I usually see, Bob, is that you are a genuine bundle of sunshine and
light. It is physically possible to say something sometime that isn't a
nasty shot at someone.

[J]

I've only been going to AA meetings for around 6 months, but I've already
seen several newcomers who've only attended a few meeting and not returned.
This surprises me a little. I guess it's because it's not something I
considered doing myself. Perhaps it's because I've always been committed to
what I'm doing. When I was drinking, I'd be drinking practically all day
every day. Now that I'm sober, I'm committed to staying sober.

--
J



JB wrote:
> "Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:pKadnfUZo4jp8ezcRVn-iA@adelphia.com...
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> You've made me think that this NG would not be a "discussion
> group" if
>>> no-one had the courage to express here different points of view.
>>>
>>> JB
>>
>> I just think that a person ought to be able to suggest going to
>> meetings without someone, who has no positive suggestion to offer
>> himself, saying that people who go to meetings are hypocrites and
>> fail 95% of the time. Dan
>
> It's possible that some of you will see two copies of my original
> reply to Dan. When I realised that the original message had
> gobbledegook at the end I cancelled that message. What follows is
> that original message (sans the gobbledegook)
>
> Dear Dan,
>
> I did not see in Bob's post what you appear to have done:
>
> I saw that there is concern that only 5% of newcomers are still
> attending meetings after 12 months and wondered why so many were
> choosing not to stay.
>
> Maybe you would like to know that I left one of the F2F groups that I
> joined in August last year after a few months simply because rarely
> did I hear at its meetings anything that I thought beneficial to my
> efforts to recover from alcoholism. This group was a Step/Tradition
> Group and sometimes only the Chair spoke about the Step/Tradition
> that had been chosen as the subject for discussion. Often I got the
> impression that this group was being run for the benefit of a few
> people who were friends with each other and that the meeting was
> merely a convenient opportunity for them to chat about what they'd
> been
> doing during the week. Often, I'd become bored with their chat and
> either doze off in my chair or leave the meeting.
>
> The other group I joined in August last year has many members who
> attend its meetings regularly who pass on recovery-related messages
> almost every time they share at that group's meetings. Several of
> these members speak at almost every meeting they attend. Because I
> have learnt from them a great deal that has helped me get to where I
> now am in recovery I choose to continue going to this group's meetings
> in the hope that I will continue hearing things that will benefit my
> recovery. I go also because I enjoy the company. If anyone other
> than me gains benefit from hearing anything that I chose to share at
> meetings, that's my bonus.
>
> ATB
>
> JB

[John Droge]

"J" <welshalky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4171dc49$1@news.greennet.net...
> I've only been going to AA meetings for around 6 months, but I've already
> seen several newcomers who've only attended a few meeting and not
returned.
> This surprises me a little. I guess it's because it's not something I
> considered doing myself. Perhaps it's because I've always been committed
to
> what I'm doing. When I was drinking, I'd be drinking practically all day
> every day. Now that I'm sober, I'm committed to staying sober.
>
> --
> J
>
Hey J
Going to AA for 6 months I'm surprised that you have only seen "....a
few..." people disappear. Bob's 5% is on the low side of what I've seen
quoted for AA success, but I've never seen more then 25% claimed and by my
18 mon observation I'd call it 10-15%.
Peace
John

[J]

The meetings I go to are quite small. I go to 2 a week. The first, on a
Wedenesday, has 4 regulars and often dwindles to just me. I've only seen 1
newcomer at this meeting. He was paralytic, presumably sent there by his
wife and had no intention of returning. At my other meeting, on a Friday,
there are about 8 regulars. I've seen 4 newcomers, 2 of those in the last
couple of weeks and are still coming. The other 2 only lasted a few weeks.
So, I guess, at this point, the success rate in our area is 0%. I suppose
that I don't count 'cos I've only been attending for 6 months. But, it's
highly likely that I'll still be attending in 6 months time.The vast
majority of people I've met in AA have been in fellowship a lot longer than
me. At my Wednesday meeting, the other 3 member have nearly 40 years
sobriety between them. I'm learning a lot from their experiences.

--
J



John Droge wrote:
> "J" <welshalky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4171dc49$1@news.greennet.net...
>> I've only been going to AA meetings for around 6 months, but I've
>> already seen several newcomers who've only attended a few meeting
>> and not returned. This surprises me a little. I guess it's because
>> it's not something I considered doing myself. Perhaps it's because
>> I've always been committed to what I'm doing. When I was drinking,
>> I'd be drinking practically all day every day. Now that I'm sober,
>> I'm committed to staying sober.
>>
>> --
>> J
>>
> Hey J
> Going to AA for 6 months I'm surprised that you have only seen "....a
> few..." people disappear. Bob's 5% is on the low side of what I've
> seen quoted for AA success, but I've never seen more then 25% claimed
> and by my 18 mon observation I'd call it 10-15%.
> Peace
> John

[rosie readandpost]

At my Wednesday meeting, the other 3 member have nearly 40 years
: sobriety between them. I'm learning a lot from their experiences.
:
: --
: J
:


those "old-timers" were key for my sobriety.................i
learned a lot over coffee and ice cream AFTER the meeting too!
do you guys go out for coffee?
rosie

[cOlOnEl pOlYpS]

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at

Who forced you?

> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.

Me too. Once George Bush and the secret service kidnapped me before I
had a chance to finish my 12 pack.

>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

You are sick. You are not insane, yet. You have to get hold of sobriety
before you lose your mind. You do not have to worry about that now.
Drink it up.

>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.

Better than McDonalds Huh?

>
>
> -Prop Rod
>

The problem is with the drug war.

[meganetnews]

ive never been to dettox but the same same problem
"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.
>
>
> -Prop Rod
>