We need a moderator

[Vaney]

Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to make me
mad.

I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very lack of
ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are mostly
on topic, at least.

Regards,
Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[J]

Good idea, perhaps we could weed out the transvestitism and election topics
too. Not sure which is worse, lol.

--
J



Vaney wrote:
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to
> make me mad.
>
> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their
> very lack of ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!!
> But they are mostly on topic, at least.
>
> Regards,
> Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no
> object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey

[JB]

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper.

> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their
very lack of
> ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they
are mostly
> on topic, at least.
>
> Regards,
> Vaney

Or if you have knowledge of AA teachings/sayings/prayers, make use of
them ? :^)

JB

PS: If you can learn to be rarely, if ever, troubled by what goes on
in this cyberworld, maybe you'll find that this brings you benefits in
your "real world" life.

[Vaney]

J spake thus:

>Good idea, perhaps we could weed out the transvestitism and election topics
>too. Not sure which is worse, lol.

Well, if a certain person (who shall remain nameless for the sake of wear and
tear on the asbestos activewear) gets elected, or re-elected (ha! thought you
had me there, didn'cha?), I shall have to move either 1) out of the country
entirely or 2) to the Montana/Idaho border region, which is essentially the
same thing, I hear. And I say this every four years......

All best,
Vaney
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[Blue Moon]

On 04 Oct 2004 19:14:45 GMT, vanegirl@aol.complicated (Vaney) wrote:

>Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to make me
>mad.

Why?

>I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very lack of
>ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are mostly
>on topic, at least.

"Alcocure"'s message is more on-topic than many messages I've seen
here. I may have my doubts about it, I may have unanswered questions
about it, I may even be able to explore its logical fallacy, but it's
more on-topic for alcoholism than a lot of stuff here such as religion
or smoking.

If people want an AA-only newsgroup, they're in the wrong place.

--
Blue Moon

[Mias]

Hi Vaney
I think what might help is if as many people as possible tried to state the
basis that they are speaking from. Say for instance, "My name is Mias and I
am an alcoholic." as opposed to 'My name is alcocure and I am in the
moneymaking / denial business"
Each person would in effect then be modearting him/herself and those that
are not sure yet are not going to be not welome.
That would not make it an AA group just as wearing wings does not make my
house heaven.
What do you think?
Kind regards
Mias
"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to make
> me
> mad.
>
> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very
> lack of
> ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are
> mostly
> on topic, at least.
>
> Regards,
> Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey
>
>

[Mias]

Hi Vaney (continued...)
It would be easy to see who are trolls. Anybody opposing such a simple
suggestion would identify themselves as lurking 'moderation' drinkers or
whatever, by that action. Will make the world a lot simpler.
BTW, an old-timer once told me that if I want to test my willpower (To drink
like a gentleman) I should mix half a litre of luke warm water and three
heaped tablespoons of Epsom Salts and the not go to the toilet for a week.
If I could do that successfully I probably have sufficient willpower.
On a lighter note, do you not think postings like that gets one to sit up
and remember the denial one went thru once and makes you gratefull for
keeping life simple and sober? Imagine paying good money and spending good
time just to enrich somebody else and take a chance of falling of the cliff,
one more time. No Way thank you not for me! Too much like switching from
Brandy to Beer to Whisky to Wine to mix-with-water to mix-with-cola to
tranquilisers back to Brandy to Beer to Whisky to Wine to mix-with-water to
mix-with-cola to tranquilisers....
Is it not glorious to be able to look into the mirror and say, 'I love you
SO much!" or "Hi world, what you see is what you get today"?
Let us perhaps rather accept that our friend is in denial because if he/she
is here for a few dollars more hell has not enough heat for him/her, one
day. The wheel does turn and as one soweth so does one reapeth and for every
action there is a like and opposite reaction and Kharma and Dharma and what
goes around comes around. (While the stomach churneth!)
I am free today because of who I decided to walk with and still walk with,
not because I am such a great guy. Let me never forget that.
Kind regards
Mias
15 years clean and sober and enjoying every second of it!

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to make
> me
> mad.
>
> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very
> lack of
> ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are
> mostly
> on topic, at least.
>
> Regards,
> Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey
>
>

[Mias]

Hi Vaney (continued...)
For instance, there would be nothing wrong with a person stating 'My name is
xxx and I am a moderation drinker" At least then people who have tried
moderation drinking will be able to sympathise and offer that person advise
on recovery. Or, my name is YYY and I am a normal drinker" then one could
cheer him on and wonder why, if life is so normal, do they spend time in
alcoholic places? (Except if for money or if they need to convince
themselves of their 'normality')
Kind regards
Mias

"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:cjt7qt$ik0$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Hi Vaney (continued...)
> It would be easy to see who are trolls. Anybody opposing such a simple
> suggestion would identify themselves as lurking 'moderation' drinkers or
> whatever, by that action. Will make the world a lot simpler.
> BTW, an old-timer once told me that if I want to test my willpower (To
> drink like a gentleman) I should mix half a litre of luke warm water and
> three heaped tablespoons of Epsom Salts and the not go to the toilet for a
> week. If I could do that successfully I probably have sufficient
> willpower.
> On a lighter note, do you not think postings like that gets one to sit up
> and remember the denial one went thru once and makes you gratefull for
> keeping life simple and sober? Imagine paying good money and spending good
> time just to enrich somebody else and take a chance of falling of the
> cliff, one more time. No Way thank you not for me! Too much like switching
> from Brandy to Beer to Whisky to Wine to mix-with-water to mix-with-cola
> to tranquilisers back to Brandy to Beer to Whisky to Wine to
> mix-with-water to mix-with-cola to tranquilisers....
> Is it not glorious to be able to look into the mirror and say, 'I love you
> SO much!" or "Hi world, what you see is what you get today"?
> Let us perhaps rather accept that our friend is in denial because if
> he/she is here for a few dollars more hell has not enough heat for
> him/her, one day. The wheel does turn and as one soweth so does one
> reapeth and for every action there is a like and opposite reaction and
> Kharma and Dharma and what goes around comes around. (While the stomach
> churneth!)
> I am free today because of who I decided to walk with and still walk with,
> not because I am such a great guy. Let me never forget that.
> Kind regards
> Mias
> 15 years clean and sober and enjoying every second of it!
>
> "Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
> news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
>> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to
>> make me
>> mad.
>>
>> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very
>> lack of
>> ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are
>> mostly
>> on topic, at least.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
>> to email, simplify...
>>
>> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
>> Lord Peter Wimsey
>>
>>
>
>

[Mias]

Hi Vaney (continued ... final ... you hope)
Thank you for this platform where you allow me to vent myself of my pent-up
resentments and alcoholic venom. I need that to stay sober and I know you
understand. It is good to have friends like this who knows me and accepts me
as twisted and bedonderd as I am. (Do not tell me you can not figger out
what 'bedonderd' means) Life is not always simple and easy just because one
does not drink and I need you lot to stay sober.
Thank you
Mias
"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:cjt895$jce$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Hi Vaney (continued...)
> For instance, there would be nothing wrong with a person stating 'My name
> is xxx and I am a moderation drinker" At least then people who have tried
> moderation drinking will be able to sympathise and offer that person
> advise on recovery. Or, my name is YYY and I am a normal drinker" then one
> could cheer him on and wonder why, if life is so normal, do they spend
> time in alcoholic places? (Except if for money or if they need to convince
> themselves of their 'normality')
> Kind regards
> Mias
>
> "Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
> news:cjt7qt$ik0$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> Hi Vaney (continued...)
>> It would be easy to see who are trolls. Anybody opposing such a simple
>> suggestion would identify themselves as lurking 'moderation' drinkers or
>> whatever, by that action. Will make the world a lot simpler.
>> BTW, an old-timer once told me that if I want to test my willpower (To
>> drink like a gentleman) I should mix half a litre of luke warm water and
>> three heaped tablespoons of Epsom Salts and the not go to the toilet for
>> a week. If I could do that successfully I probably have sufficient
>> willpower.
>> On a lighter note, do you not think postings like that gets one to sit up
>> and remember the denial one went thru once and makes you gratefull for
>> keeping life simple and sober? Imagine paying good money and spending
>> good time just to enrich somebody else and take a chance of falling of
>> the cliff, one more time. No Way thank you not for me! Too much like
>> switching from Brandy to Beer to Whisky to Wine to mix-with-water to
>> mix-with-cola to tranquilisers back to Brandy to Beer to Whisky to Wine
>> to mix-with-water to mix-with-cola to tranquilisers....
>> Is it not glorious to be able to look into the mirror and say, 'I love
>> you SO much!" or "Hi world, what you see is what you get today"?
>> Let us perhaps rather accept that our friend is in denial because if
>> he/she is here for a few dollars more hell has not enough heat for
>> him/her, one day. The wheel does turn and as one soweth so does one
>> reapeth and for every action there is a like and opposite reaction and
>> Kharma and Dharma and what goes around comes around. (While the stomach
>> churneth!)
>> I am free today because of who I decided to walk with and still walk
>> with, not because I am such a great guy. Let me never forget that.
>> Kind regards
>> Mias
>> 15 years clean and sober and enjoying every second of it!
>>
>> "Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
>> news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
>>> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to
>>> make me
>>> mad.
>>>
>>> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very
>>> lack of
>>> ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are
>>> mostly
>>> on topic, at least.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
>>> to email, simplify...
>>>
>>> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
>>> Lord Peter Wimsey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Fred Exley]

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to make
> me
> mad.
>
> I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their very
> lack of
> ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they are
> mostly
> on topic, at least.
>
> Regards,
> Vaney <who takes a deep breath and goes off to do something calming>
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey

One time I posted a short paragraph to a mensa group that was moderated. On
topic, no profanity or insults, I just opined that the mental abilities the
mensa tests measure are only a tiny sliver of human intelligence, and
therefore, those who do well on such tests and then hold their score up as
definitive proof of their mental superiority are delusional social retards.
Not only that, the whole premise of a club for the mentally superior is
socially repugnant and so, as Groucho Marx once said, "I don't care to
belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. "

Well, the moderator chose to spare the group my unwelcome observations.
That's the danger of having a gatekeeper -along with the trolls and ads,
whatever that particular censor doesn't like gets tossed out too.

-Fred

[JB]

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting
to make me
> mad.

Vaney,

I remember you saying that it is your intention to quit drinking and
that you are not keen to go to AA meetings.

Maybe thse links will prove helpful to you:

http://www.recoveryresources.org/agnostic.html

http://www.soberdykes.org/12agnost.html

ATB

JB

[Vaney]

Fred said:


>Well, the moderator chose to spare the group my unwelcome observations.
>That's the danger of having a gatekeeper -along with the trolls and ads,
>whatever that particular censor doesn't like gets tossed out too.

The moderated group I mentioned has a charter, and (as I understand it) as long
as a post is 1) on topic or 2) clearly marked OT and 3) not an ad or an obvious
troll, they (the moderators) are bound by the charter to post it. Opinions are
many and varied and sometimes opposition is tough. They *do* have a
preliminary scan of new posters - some kind of modbot stops a post long enough
for a human to see it and yes, either approve or disapprove it. But once
you've posted a few times and been found to be on-topic or whatever, the modbot
doesn't look at your posts anymore, just sends them through.

My take on the moderated thing is quite simple - there is an unmoderated group
on exactly the same topic - and it is *filled* with "Osama bin Laden
Assassinated" "Gruesome Beheading Pics" "my girlfriend webcam" to the extent
that maybe 10 percent of the posts are relevant. That to me is a waste of
bandwidth.

Just my opinion. YMMV.

Vaney
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[Vaney]

Blue Moon saith:
>If people want an AA-only newsgroup, they're in the wrong place.
>

Nah, I don't want an AA-only group, I just don't care for the money-making
aspect. I agree that Alcocure is completely on-topic. Maybe we could start
alt-recovery.addiction.marketplace!

Vane
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[Vaney]

JB wrote:

>Vaney,
>
>I remember you saying that it is your intention to quit drinking and
>that you are not keen to go to AA meetings.
>
>Maybe thse links will prove helpful to you:
>
>http://www.recoveryresources.org/agnostic.html
>
>http://www.soberdykes.org/12agnost.html
>
>ATB
>
>JB

Hi JB ~
Thanks for the links you posted. I think they will be helpful. Although I am
not agnostic, but rather a fairly committed pagan, the pages looked
interesting.

Vaney
(who tried, on the off-chance, private email but got it bounced)
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[Joe Jared]

Vaney wrote:
>
> Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is starting to make me
> mad.

The k button works well here.

[JB]

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041005094813.15758.00001521@mb-m13.aol.com...
> JB wrote:

> >http://www.recoveryresources.org/agnostic.html
> >
> >http://www.soberdykes.org/12agnost.html
> >
> >ATB
> >
> >JB
>
> Hi JB ~

> Thanks for the links you posted. I think they will be helpful.
Although I am
> not agnostic, but rather a fairly committed pagan, the pages looked
> interesting.
>
> Vaney
> (who tried, on the off-chance, private email but got it bounced)

OK.

http://members.aol.com/JehanaS/recovery.html

JB

[rosie readandpost]

it sure does!

--
http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=11156



"Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
news:4162B754.73B687D0@oretek.com...
: Vaney wrote:
: >
: > Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper. Alcocure is
starting to make me
: > mad.
:
: The k button works well here.

[Vaney]

>The k button works well here.
>

Does this mean "killfile"? I am unfortunately an AOL customer, and you can set
filters all day long, click "save" and it *still* lets all the posts through...

Vane
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[rosie readandpost]

yes, that is a killfile..........................too bad AOL doesn't
allow the use of them, it is such a timesaver!

--
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/100604Y.shtml






"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041005114731.08741.00001527@mb-m13.aol.com...
: >The k button works well here.
: >
:
: Does this mean "killfile"? I am unfortunately an AOL customer,
and you can set
: filters all day long, click "save" and it *still* lets all the
posts through...
:
: Vane
: to email, simplify...
:
: "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no
object..."
: Lord Peter
Wimsey
:
:

[Vaney]

JB offered:


>http://members.aol.com/JehanaS/recovery.html



Awesome! I have read Anodea Judith extensively (though not this far...)
Thanks.
Vane
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

[Dem Feckers]

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041004174929.09094.00001373@mb-m21.aol.com...
> J spake thus:
>
> >Good idea, perhaps we could weed out the transvestitism and election
topics
> >too. Not sure which is worse, lol.
>
> Well, if a certain person (who shall remain nameless for the sake of
wear and
> tear on the asbestos activewear) gets elected, or re-elected (ha!
thought you
> had me there, didn'cha?), I shall have to move either 1) out of the
country
> entirely or 2) to the Montana/Idaho border region, which is
essentially the

Montana is the suicide capital of the US.
I thought of going there after George Bush and the secret service
kidnapped drugged and planted a microchip in my back.
I said fuck it. Now that I am sober 21 years I am living in florida and
I can tell the christian jew cop government to kiss my ass without
getting drunk.

CIVIL WAR 2004

[Dem Feckers]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cjselm$1jk$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
> news:20041004151445.25615.00001454@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > Or maybe I just need a more moderate temper.
>
> > I lurk on a couple of moderated groups and I enjoy them for their
> very lack of
> > ads/trolls. Not that the flame wars don't get started!! But they
> are mostly
> > on topic, at least.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Vaney
>
> Or if you have knowledge of AA teachings/sayings/prayers, make use of
> them ? :^)
>
> JB
if you want to chant devil worshipping crap go to aa newsgroup

CIVIL WAR 2004

[Dem Feckers]

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20041005114731.08741.00001527@mb-m13.aol.com...
> >The k button works well here.
> >
>
> Does this mean "killfile"? I am unfortunately an AOL customer, and
you can set
> filters all day long, click "save" and it *still* lets all the posts
through...
>

Mosquitoes, mosquitoes, mosquitoes!!

Go get drunk you little bitch.

voodoo disease 666