Re: 9-19-04

[Robert McGregor]

" rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Daily Reflections
>
> ACCEPTANCE
>
> We admitted we couldn't lick alcohol with our own
> remaining resources, and so we accepted the further
> fact that dependence upon a Higher Power
> (if only our A.A. group) could do this hitherto
> impossible job. The moment we were able to accept
> these facts fully, our release from the alcohol
> compulsion had begun.
> AS BILL SEES IT, p. 109


"I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958

[jim]

A bit of a discrepancy here.Robert no not such a dummy after all.
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> " rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:73f3d.50523$6h7.43673@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Daily Reflections
>>
>> ACCEPTANCE
>>
>> We admitted we couldn't lick alcohol with our own
>> remaining resources, and so we accepted the further
>> fact that dependence upon a Higher Power
>> (if only our A.A. group) could do this hitherto
>> impossible job. The moment we were able to accept
>> these facts fully, our release from the alcohol
>> compulsion had begun.
>> AS BILL SEES IT, p. 109
>
>
> "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut off
> these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed, upon any
> set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be free" - Bill Wilson
> AA Grapevine, January 1958
>
>
>
>

[stuart]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> " rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:73f3d.50523$6h7.43673@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Daily Reflections
> >
> > ACCEPTANCE
> >
> > We admitted we couldn't lick alcohol with our own
> > remaining resources, and so we accepted the further
> > fact that dependence upon a Higher Power
> > (if only our A.A. group) could do this hitherto
> > impossible job. The moment we were able to accept
> > these facts fully, our release from the alcohol
> > compulsion had begun.
> > AS BILL SEES IT, p. 109
>
>
> "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
> off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
> upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
> free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958

Recovery is an interesting paradox of dependence and independence. My
opinion is that those with the best recovery are able to take their
"program" and their "fellowship" and themselves with a slight grain of salt,
while still adhering to all three.

[Dan McGown]

> Recovery is an interesting paradox of dependence and independence. My
> opinion is that those with the best recovery are able to take their
> "program" and their "fellowship" and themselves with a slight grain of
> salt,
> while still adhering to all three.


A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, adored by little
statesmen and philosophers and devines. With consistency a great soul has
simply nothing to do.

Ralph Waldo Emerson
Self-Reliance

You will note that I am refraining from drawing specific politics into this
.. . . . <grin>

Dan

[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2r5i2tF16g084U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> " rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:73f3d.50523$6h7.43673@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Daily Reflections
> >
> > ACCEPTANCE
> >
> > We admitted we couldn't lick alcohol with our own
> > remaining resources, and so we accepted the further
> > fact that dependence upon a Higher Power
> > (if only our A.A. group) could do this hitherto
> > impossible job. The moment we were able to accept
> > these facts fully, our release from the alcohol
> > compulsion had begun.
> > AS BILL SEES IT, p. 109
>
>
> "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
> off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA,
indeed,
> upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
> free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958
>
Free of the depressions from which he suffered ?

"I kept asking myself, "Why can't the Twelve Steps work to release
depression?" By the hour, I stared at the St. Francis Prayer..."It's
better to comfort than to be the comforted." Here was the formula, all
right. But why didn't it work?

Suddenly I realized what the matter was. My basic flaw had always been
dependence - almost absolute dependence - on people or circumstances
to supply me with prestige, security, and the like. Failing to get
these things according to my perfectionist dreams and specifications,
I had fought for them. And when defeat came, so did my depression.

There wasn't a chance of making the outgoing love of St. Francis a
workable and joyous way of life until these fatal and almost absolute
dependencies were cut away.

Because I had over the years undergone a little spiritual development,
the absolute quality of these frightful dependencies had never before
been so starkly revealed. Reinforced by what Grace I could secure in
prayer, I found I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
upon any set of circumstances whatsoever.

Then only could I be free to love as Francis had. Emotional and
instinctual satisfactions, I saw, were really the extra dividends of
having love, offering love, and expressing a love appropriate to each
relation of life.

Plainly, I could not avail myself of God's love until I was able to
offer it back to Him by loving others as He would have me. And I
couldn't possibly do that so long as I was victimized by false
dependencies.

For my dependency meant demand-a demand for the possession and control
of the people and the conditions surrounding me.

While those words "absolute demand" may look like a gimmick, they were
the ones that helped to trigger my release into my present degree of
stability and quietness of mind, qualities which I am now trying to
consolidate by offering love to others regardless of the return to me.

This seems to be the primary healing circuit: an outgoing love of
God's creation and His people, by means of which we avail ourselves of
His love for us. It is most clear that the current can't flow until
our paralyzing dependencies are broken, and broken at depth. Only then
can we possibly have a glimmer of what adult love really is.
(http://silkworth.net/aahistory/emotionalsobriety.html)

JB


In context, intrepReading
>
>

[Fred Exley]

"jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> A bit of a discrepancy here.Robert no not such a dummy after all.


"All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie..."
-Bob Dylan "People Are Crazy"

[Dan McGown]

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
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>

> "All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie..."
> -Bob Dylan "People Are Crazy"

Fred, Let's not forget my personal fave:

.. . . and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out there in space ,
cos there's bugger all down here on earth.

Monty Python "The Meaning of Life"

[Grace]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:14:08 -0700, Dan McGown wrote
(in article <2YSdnfF1XsrJLdDcRVn-og@adelphia.com>):

>> Recovery is an interesting paradox of dependence and independence. My
>> opinion is that those with the best recovery are able to take their
>> "program" and their "fellowship" and themselves with a slight grain of
>> salt,
>> while still adhering to all three.
>
>
> A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, adored by little
> statesmen and philosophers and devines. With consistency a great soul has
> simply nothing to do.
>
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Self-Reliance
>
> You will note that I am refraining from drawing specific politics into this
> . . . . <grin>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
Gee, Don - you have come up with two of my favorite quotes in one morning.
Emerson and Python. Yes!

[F.H.]

Dan McGown wrote:

> A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, adored by little
> statesmen and philosophers and devines. With consistency a great soul has
> simply nothing to do.
>
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Self-Reliance
>
> You will note that I am refraining from drawing specific politics into this
> . . . . <grin>

Refrained? LOL, perfect description of the current administration.

[F.H.]

Grace wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:14:08 -0700, Dan McGown wrote


>>>Recovery is an interesting paradox of dependence and independence. My
>>>opinion is that those with the best recovery are able to take their
>>>"program" and their "fellowship" and themselves with a slight grain of
>>>salt,
>>>while still adhering to all three.
>>
>>
>>A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, adored by little
>>statesmen and philosophers and devines. With consistency a great soul has
>>simply nothing to do.
>>
>> Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> Self-Reliance
>>
>>You will note that I am refraining from drawing specific politics into this
>>. . . . <grin>

> Gee, Don - you have come up with two of my favorite quotes in one morning.
> Emerson and Python. Yes!


One more:

"How you can win the population for war:"

"At first, the statesman will invent cheap lying, that impute the guilt
of the
attacked nation, and each person will be happy over this deceit, that calms
the conscience. It will study it detailed and refuse to test arguments
of the
other opinion. So he will convince step for step even therefrom that the
war
is just and thank God, that he, after this process of grotesque deceit, can
sleep better."
Mark Twain

[Grace]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:15:50 -0700, F.H. wrote
(in article <q1k3d.4847$gG4.1467@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.n et>):

> Grace wrote:
>
>> Gee, Don - you have come up with two of my favorite quotes in one morning.
>>
>> Emerson and Python. Yes!
>
>
> One more:
>
> "How you can win the population for war:"
>
> "At first, the statesman will invent cheap lying, that impute the guilt
> of the
> attacked nation, and each person will be happy over this deceit, that calms
> the conscience. It will study it detailed and refuse to test arguments
> of the
> other opinion. So he will convince step for step even therefrom that the
> war
> is just and thank God, that he, after this process of grotesque deceit, can
> sleep better."
> Mark Twain

My day is made - Twain, Emerson and Python. What a beautiful world it can be.

[Dan McGown]

"F.H." <connectszzzu@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "How you can win the population for war:"
>
> "At first, the statesman will invent cheap lying, that impute the guilt of
> the
> attacked nation, and each person will be happy over this deceit, that
> calms
> the conscience. It will study it detailed and refuse to test arguments of
> the
> other opinion. So he will convince step for step even therefrom that the
> war
> is just and thank God, that he, after this process of grotesque deceit,
> can
> sleep better."
> Mark Twain

My God, we have Emerson, Monty Python and Mark Twain, for a triple. Please,
someone bring in a Swift and we'll have a homerun.
Dan

[Fred Exley]

"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "F.H." <connectszzzu@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:q1k3d.4847$gG4.1467@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
> > "How you can win the population for war:"
> >
> > "At first, the statesman will invent cheap lying, that impute the guilt
of
> > the
> > attacked nation, and each person will be happy over this deceit, that
> > calms
> > the conscience. It will study it detailed and refuse to test arguments
of
> > the
> > other opinion. So he will convince step for step even therefrom that the
> > war
> > is just and thank God, that he, after this process of grotesque deceit,
> > can
> > sleep better."
> > Mark Twain
>
> My God, we have Emerson, Monty Python and Mark Twain, for a triple.
Please,
> someone bring in a Swift and we'll have a homerun.
> Dan
>


OK:

" For instance: Nothing is more generally exploded than the folly of talking
too much; yet I rarely remember to have seen five people together, where
some one among them hath not been predominant in that kind, to the great
constraint and disgust of all the rest."

from 'Hints Towards an Essay on Conversation' , by Jonathan Swift

[Grace]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:29:53 -0700, Dan McGown wrote
(in article <W42dnW1OleO7TdDcRVn-pA@adelphia.com>):

>
> "F.H." <connectszzzu@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:q1k3d.4847$gG4.1467@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
>> "How you can win the population for war:"
>>
>> "At first, the statesman will invent cheap lying, that impute the guilt of
>> the
>> attacked nation, and each person will be happy over this deceit, that
>> calms
>> the conscience. It will study it detailed and refuse to test arguments of
>> the
>> other opinion. So he will convince step for step even therefrom that the
>> war
>> is just and thank God, that he, after this process of grotesque deceit,
>> can
>> sleep better."
>> Mark Twain
>
> My God, we have Emerson, Monty Python and Mark Twain, for a triple. Please,
> someone bring in a Swift and we'll have a homerun.
> Dan
>
>

In the "Consistency" vein:


There is nothing in this world constant, but inconsistency.
-Jonathan Swift

[[[]]]

"Grace" <graceh@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:29:53 -0700, Dan McGown wrote
> (in article <W42dnW1OleO7TdDcRVn-pA@adelphia.com>):
>
>>
>> "F.H." <connectszzzu@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:q1k3d.4847$gG4.1467@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>
>>> "How you can win the population for war:"
>>>
>>> "At first, the statesman will invent cheap lying, that impute the guilt
>>> of
>>> the
>>> attacked nation, and each person will be happy over this deceit, that
>>> calms
>>> the conscience. It will study it detailed and refuse to test arguments
>>> of
>>> the
>>> other opinion. So he will convince step for step even therefrom that the
>>> war
>>> is just and thank God, that he, after this process of grotesque deceit,
>>> can
>>> sleep better."
>>> Mark Twain
>>
>> My God, we have Emerson, Monty Python and Mark Twain, for a triple.
>> Please,
>> someone bring in a Swift and we'll have a homerun.
>> Dan
>>
>>
>
> In the "Consistency" vein:
>
>
> There is nothing in this world constant, but inconsistency.
> -Jonathan Swift

a tavern is a place where madness is sold by the bottle. -J. Swift


-steve

[Dan McGown]

>
> a tavern is a place where madness is sold by the bottle. -J. Swift
>
>
> -steve


Wow, excellent one.

[Dan McGown]

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> " For instance: Nothing is more generally exploded than the folly of
> talking
> too much; yet I rarely remember to have seen five people together, where
> some one among them hath not been predominant in that kind, to the great
> constraint and disgust of all the rest."
>
> from 'Hints Towards an Essay on Conversation' , by Jonathan Swift

Ouch.

[F.H.]

Fred Exley wrote:
> "Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message

>>My God, we have Emerson, Monty Python and Mark Twain, for a triple.

> Please, someone bring in a Swift and we'll have a homerun.
>> Dan

> OK:
>
> " For instance: Nothing is more generally exploded than the folly of talking
> too much; yet I rarely remember to have seen five people together, where
> some one among them hath not been predominant in that kind, to the great
> constraint and disgust of all the rest."

> from 'Hints Towards an Essay on Conversation' , by Jonathan Swift

Heh, and this before the arrival of newsgroups.

[Ron]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:13:48 -0700, Grace <graceh@spiritone.com> wrote:

> There is nothing in this world constant, but inconsistency.
> -Jonathan Swift

Everything in moderation, including moderation.
-A drunk

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