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Dan McGown
09-02-2004, 09:48 AM
These "Addiction Alternative" people want to sell you stuff. You can see it
at: http://www.aa2.org/products/alcoholismsoftware2.htm They claim that
the program that they are selling was "developed under a grant from the
National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism."



Their basic junkie program is so old that it comes on a 3.5" diskette and
will run under Windows 3.X! Nevertheless, they want to charge you $49.95
for it.



They have "A professionally Guided-Self Change program" for $149.00.
Nevertheless, even though they are selling you their program, they publish
the following disclaimer:



"WARNING: Neither the developer of this program nor I can guarantee your
ability to achieve and maintain the goal of moderate, non-problematic
drinking. For some people even one drink is too much. Typical client
characteristics predictive of greatest success at 12 months and long-term
follow-ups of two to eight years, include; less sever alcohol-related
problems (see "Habit Check-Up's) and a shorter duration of problematic
drinking (under 10 years). Overall however, the data from over 30 controlled
research studies of BSCT, provides compelling evidence of its effectiveness
for what some characterize as 'early stage problem drinkers.'"



I have not enquired to determine whether they also sell snake oil.



For myself, I'm going to believe the disclaimer and not the claims. "For
some people even one drink is too much."

Cheggers
09-02-2004, 08:35 PM
"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<B9OdndYs7tBBr6rcRVn-iw@adelphia.com>...
> These "Addiction Alternative" people want to sell you stuff. <snip>

Dan, that Web site was the most entertaining thing I've seen all day.
Fifty bucks for a diskette and a personalized blood alcohol chart,
indeed. What a waste of the cost of a couple of bottles of Jack. Hm.
eighteen days off the beverages... I must be getting my sense of humor
back.

Cheggs

Dan McGown
09-03-2004, 12:31 AM
> Dan, that Web site was the most entertaining thing I've seen all day.
> Fifty bucks for a diskette and a personalized blood alcohol chart,
> indeed. What a waste of the cost of a couple of bottles of Jack. Hm.
> eighteen days off the beverages... I must be getting my sense of humor
> back.
>
> Cheggs

Cheggs,
Actually, the main reason that I posted that is that those are the same
bozos associated with NIAAA who purport to be able to teach problem drinkers
to drink in moderation. <grin>
Dan

Avid MD
09-03-2004, 01:17 AM
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:31:31 -0400, "Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote:

>
>> Dan, that Web site was the most entertaining thing I've seen all day.
>> Fifty bucks for a diskette and a personalized blood alcohol chart,
>> indeed. What a waste of the cost of a couple of bottles of Jack. Hm.
>> eighteen days off the beverages... I must be getting my sense of humor
>> back.
>>
>> Cheggs
>
>Cheggs,
> Actually, the main reason that I posted that is that those are the same
>bozos associated with NIAAA who purport to be able to teach problem drinkers
>to drink in moderation. <grin>

Jeez, you continue to demonstrate just how retarded you are.

Any idiot should be able to see that these people are NOT
"associated with NIAAA". The fact that they sell something that
originated from an NIAAA funding does not mean what you
conclude. I have a grant from NIH - that only means that
public taxpayers have an interest in and fund my research;
I am NOT in any way associated with NIH. Dr. Reid Hester,
similarly, is not associated with NIH. I doubt VERY MUCH
he is associated with that stuid web site.

These are unscrupulous greedy assholes who make living
fooling idiots like you.

Avid MD

Dan McGown
09-03-2004, 02:03 AM
> Jeez, you continue to demonstrate just how retarded you are.
>
> Any idiot should be able to see that these people are NOT
> "associated with NIAAA". The fact that they sell something that
> originated from an NIAAA funding does not mean what you
> conclude. I have a grant from NIH - that only means that
> public taxpayers have an interest in and fund my research;
> I am NOT in any way associated with NIH. Dr. Reid Hester,
> similarly, is not associated with NIH. I doubt VERY MUCH
> he is associated with that stuid web site.
>
> These are unscrupulous greedy assholes who make living
> fooling idiots like you.
>
> Avid MD

Your name is not "Cheggs." I did not address you. Good-bye, troll.