So You Tell Me

[JJ]

Drank with great regularity for almost 25 years. Usually too much too often.
Today....three months sobriety. No urges....no desire to drink. Just fed up
with it. I also quit smoking 25 years ago the same way. I just said no.
Tried AA.....read Rational Recovery......I just don't want or care to drink.
Like smoking...it isn't worth it....it does nothing for me and that is IT!

[Plug]

"Shawster" <shawster@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> That's great. congrats on 90 days.
>
>
> "JJ" <jakervik@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Mf3Ra.61034$sY2.29208@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.n et...
> > Drank with great regularity for almost 25 years. Usually too much too
> often.
> > Today....three months sobriety. No urges....no desire to drink. Just fed
> up
> > with it. I also quit smoking 25 years ago the same way. I just said no.
> > Tried AA.....read Rational Recovery......I just don't want or care to
> drink.
> > Like smoking...it isn't worth it....it does nothing for me and that is
IT!
> >
Hi there,
Well done on three months. I felt exactly the same as you. I read a lot of
literature about alcoholism and that helped. But when I have my bad days I
come on here.
Deb/Bubba

[stuart]

"JJ" <jakervik@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Mf3Ra.61034$sY2.29208@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.n et...
> Drank with great regularity for almost 25 years. Usually too much too
often.
> Today....three months sobriety. No urges....no desire to drink. Just fed
up
> with it. I also quit smoking 25 years ago the same way. I just said no.
> Tried AA.....read Rational Recovery......I just don't want or care to
drink.
> Like smoking...it isn't worth it....it does nothing for me and that is IT!

Funny how it is about us alkies JJ. The maost dangerous time for us is when
we are sober, because we are thinking....



About drinking...



Which is what you are doing now.....



One day, you might understand alcoholism, JJ. I hope that you do....

[xian]

This one time, on Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:03:08 GMT, "JJ"
<jakervik@comcast.net> said:

>Drank with great regularity for almost 25 years. Usually too much too often.
>Today....three months sobriety. No urges....no desire to drink. Just fed up
>with it. I also quit smoking 25 years ago the same way. I just said no.
>Tried AA.....read Rational Recovery......I just don't want or care to drink.
>Like smoking...it isn't worth it....it does nothing for me and that is IT!

Congratulations on three months!
xian (at) simple world music (dot) com
"In everything and all I need, I know there's something in between
This simple world has more than I can see."

[Robert McGregor]

"stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
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>
>
> The maost dangerous time for us is when
> we are sober, because we are thinking....
>

Irrespective of the spelling error, that proclamation is "not thinking"
exemplified, yet would merit applause in the AA environment. However, given
the vast majority of folk in that environment have not even claimed to have
recovered from the hopelessness of their condition, it should come as no
surprise.

When examining the pious anti intellectual evangelism of AA, Ernest Kurtz,
the first, (possibly only) non alcoholic academic granted access to AA
archives, even went as far as to claim in his book, Not-God A History Of
Alcoholics Anonymous. Page 192 "The roots of such manifestations of
apparently rootless anti-intellectualisms as Encounter marathons and EST.,
of the whole touchie-feelie fad in group dynamics, may be found in the
Evangelically Pietist perception of reality mediated to them by Alcoholics
Anonymous."

My experience of the 12 steps is that intensive thinking is implicit all the
way. Consequently, the scorn of thinking propagated in AA was of some
interest to me while I remained there. My conclusion is that the anti
thinking scorn is merely the hook from which the AA sponsor cult hang their
promotion of generally impotent co-dependence.

If one feels a need to allocate blame, surely it lies not in the act of
thinking, but in erroneous focus, (or lack of it) direction, attitude, and
consequential action.

The most dangerous time for this alcoholic was when I was drinking and *not*
thinking.

Bob

[rosie readandpost]

> "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> news:KceRa.79$46.67991@news2.telusplanet.net...
> >
> >
> > The maost dangerous time for us is when
> > we are sober, because we are thinking....



"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:bf4juo$b60st$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> Irrespective of the spelling error, that proclamation




ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, losing the argument? attack the spelling!
stuart,
next he'll call you a troll, get ready!

ROTFLMAO!



> However, given
> the vast majority of folk in that environment have not even claimed to have
> recovered from the hopelessness of their condition, it should come as no
> surprise.
>
>


the VAST MAJORITY?
you sure do exaggerate!
must be the booze...................................

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> > news:KceRa.79$46.67991@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > The maost dangerous time for us is when
> > > we are sober, because we are thinking....
>
>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bf4juo$b60st$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >
> > Irrespective of the spelling error, that proclamation
>
>
>
>
> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, losing the argument? attack the spelling!
> stuart,
> next he'll call you a troll, get ready!
>
> ROTFLMAO!

Disregarding is attacking?

> > However, given
> > the vast majority of folk in that environment have not even claimed to
have
> > recovered from the hopelessness of their condition, it should come as no
> > surprise.
>
> the VAST MAJORITY?
> you sure do exaggerate!
> must be the booze...................................
>

Jezuz, and you claim I am literary challenged. You boast of parading your
stupidity on the podium, however the vast majority just happens to include
the audience.

Bob

[Shawster]

>
> He is thinking-about drinking-Is he not?

not. he is thinking about what do do with life after drinking.
>
> Think about it.
>

I did, puddles aren't that deep

>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
news:qmnRa.16806$xn5.2162308@news0.telusplanet.net ...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bf4m5j$aum5s$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vDkRa.5850$o27.140879@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> > > > news:KceRa.79$46.67991@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The maost dangerous time for us is when
> > > > > we are sober, because we are thinking....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:bf4juo$b60st$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Irrespective of the spelling error, that proclamation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, losing the argument? attack the spelling!
> > > stuart,
> > > next he'll call you a troll, get ready!
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > Disregarding is attacking?
> >
> > > > However, given
> > > > the vast majority of folk in that environment have not even claimed
to
> > have
> > > > recovered from the hopelessness of their condition, it should come
as
> no
> > > > surprise.
> > >
> > > the VAST MAJORITY?
> > > you sure do exaggerate!
> > > must be the booze...................................
> > >
> >
> > Jezuz, and you claim I am literary challenged. You boast of parading
your
> > stupidity on the podium, however the vast majority just happens to
include
> > the audience.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Bob, you missed my subtle point, I believe. When an alcoholic claims to be
> stopped, has no desire to drink, absolutely no thoughts of drinking at
all,
> ever, ever ever, then why is he posting to a newsgroup to discuss his
> drinking (or lack thereof)
>
> He is thinking-about drinking-Is he not?
>
> Think about it.

I have not noticed anyone here make the claims you specify in years. What is
your point?

Bob

[Robert McGregor]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bf5bfd$b5fkk$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> news:qmnRa.16806$xn5.2162308@news0.telusplanet.net ...
> >
> > Bob, you missed my subtle point, I believe. When an alcoholic claims to
be
> > stopped, has no desire to drink, absolutely no thoughts of drinking at
> all,
> > ever, ever ever, then why is he posting to a newsgroup to discuss his
> > drinking (or lack thereof)
> >
> > He is thinking-about drinking-Is he not?
> >
> > Think about it.
>
> I have not noticed anyone here make the claims you specify in years. What
is
> your point?
>
> Bob
>
>

hahahaha Sorry Stewart, I got it wrong, twice in a row! Not at all convinced
that JJ is an alcoholic anyway, I obviously hastened to press my own button
at my first *imagining* of anti thinking sentiments:(

Having just re-read through your original post, I regretfully concede I had
failed to scroll down properly, thus missing the full context of your claim
(reposted below) before I let fly, ..... Twice!

Whether or not JJ was thinking about drinking while posting here, I don't
believe either you nor I would be bothered debating.

Bob

"Funny how it is about us alkies JJ. The maost dangerous time for us is when
we are sober, because we are thinking....



About drinking...



Which is what you are doing now....."

[stuart]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> news:qmnRa.16806$xn5.2162308@news0.telusplanet.net ...
> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:bf4m5j$aum5s$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vDkRa.5850$o27.140879@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> > > > > news:KceRa.79$46.67991@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The maost dangerous time for us is when
> > > > > > we are sober, because we are thinking....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:bf4juo$b60st$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Irrespective of the spelling error, that proclamation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, losing the argument? attack the spelling!
> > > > stuart,
> > > > next he'll call you a troll, get ready!
> > > >
> > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > >
> > > Disregarding is attacking?
> > >
> > > > > However, given
> > > > > the vast majority of folk in that environment have not even
claimed
> to
> > > have
> > > > > recovered from the hopelessness of their condition, it should come
> as
> > no
> > > > > surprise.
> > > >
> > > > the VAST MAJORITY?
> > > > you sure do exaggerate!
> > > > must be the booze...................................
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jezuz, and you claim I am literary challenged. You boast of parading
> your
> > > stupidity on the podium, however the vast majority just happens to
> include
> > > the audience.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Bob, you missed my subtle point, I believe. When an alcoholic claims to
be
> > stopped, has no desire to drink, absolutely no thoughts of drinking at
> all,
> > ever, ever ever, then why is he posting to a newsgroup to discuss his
> > drinking (or lack thereof)
> >
> > He is thinking-about drinking-Is he not?
> >
> > Think about it.
>
> I have not noticed anyone here make the claims you specify in years. What
is
> your point?
>
> Bob

Went over your head, this one, Bob...

[stuart]

"Shawster" <shawster@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > He is thinking-about drinking-Is he not?
>
> not. he is thinking about what do do with life after drinking.

That's kindof like deciding what to do with life then? (After drinking)


> >
> > Think about it.
> >
>
> I did, puddles aren't that deep

Point sailed right over yours...

[Robert McGregor]

"stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
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>
> "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:bf5bfd$b5fkk$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> > > news:qmnRa.16806$xn5.2162308@news0.telusplanet.net ...
> > > >
> > > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > > > news:bf4m5j$aum5s$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > >
> > > > > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
> message
> > > > > news:vDkRa.5850$o27.140879@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > > > > "stuart" <fred@outerspace.jetsons> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:KceRa.79$46.67991@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The maost dangerous time for us is when
> > > > > > > > we are sober, because we are thinking....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> > > > > news:bf4juo$b60st$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Irrespective of the spelling error, that proclamation
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, losing the argument? attack the spelling!
> > > > > > stuart,
> > > > > > next he'll call you a troll, get ready!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > > >
> > > > > Disregarding is attacking?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > However, given
> > > > > > > the vast majority of folk in that environment have not even
> > claimed
> > > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > recovered from the hopelessness of their condition, it should
> come
> > > as
> > > > no
> > > > > > > surprise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the VAST MAJORITY?
> > > > > > you sure do exaggerate!
> > > > > > must be the booze...................................
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jezuz, and you claim I am literary challenged. You boast of
parading
> > > your
> > > > > stupidity on the podium, however the vast majority just happens to
> > > include
> > > > > the audience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Bob, you missed my subtle point, I believe. When an alcoholic claims
> to
> > be
> > > > stopped, has no desire to drink, absolutely no thoughts of drinking
at
> > > all,
> > > > ever, ever ever, then why is he posting to a newsgroup to discuss
his
> > > > drinking (or lack thereof)
> > > >
> > > > He is thinking-about drinking-Is he not?
> > > >
> > > > Think about it.
> > >
> > > I have not noticed anyone here make the claims you specify in years.
> What
> > is
> > > your point?
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Went over your head, this one, Bob...
>
>
> Or past your mouse perhaps...
> >

Oh, my mouse was not up in the air, but, my nose was:(

Bob