Ping: Blue Moon

[Prop Rod]

You seem like an angry person. Not sure why this is, but it's
apparent.

Every reply you've made has an arrogant tone. Why don't you keep your
comments to yourself. No one here wants to hear them.

[Blue Moon]

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:47:36 -0400, Prop Rod <proprod1@netzero.net>
wrote:

>You seem like an angry person. Not sure why this is, but it's
>apparent.

Your own projection is tripping you up.

>Every reply you've made has an arrogant tone.

LOL your entire post was nothing but arrogant.

>Why don't you keep your
>comments to yourself.

If everyone did that just because one person decided to arrogantly
insist upon it, the newsgroup would not exist.

>No one here wants to hear them.

You do not speak for anyone else, and this is usenet. If you don't
like what someone else says, you can either go elsewhere or killfile
them. But you'll find it folly to try to publically censor anyone. I
also happen to be one individual here who has solved the alcohol
problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as you might
like to think.

--
Blue Moon

[Fred Exley]

YEAH, give it to him Blue Moon! Who the fuck is this arrogant fuckhead
anyway? Nobody's angry in this newsgroup, you stupid piece of shit. And
nobody's arrogant either except for you -you're just way too inferior to
realize it.

Sincerely, Everybody


"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bi7rg05hgju04jmg5ri370i27skhc0mnn1@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:47:36 -0400, Prop Rod <proprod1@netzero.net>
> wrote:
>
> >You seem like an angry person. Not sure why this is, but it's
> >apparent.
>
> Your own projection is tripping you up.
>
> >Every reply you've made has an arrogant tone.
>
> LOL your entire post was nothing but arrogant.
>
> >Why don't you keep your
> >comments to yourself.
>
> If everyone did that just because one person decided to arrogantly
> insist upon it, the newsgroup would not exist.
>
> >No one here wants to hear them.
>
> You do not speak for anyone else, and this is usenet. If you don't
> like what someone else says, you can either go elsewhere or killfile
> them. But you'll find it folly to try to publically censor anyone. I
> also happen to be one individual here who has solved the alcohol
> problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as you might
> like to think.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[readandpost rosie]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message

:................... I
: also happen to be one individual here who has solved the alcohol
: problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as you
might
: like to think.
:
: --
: Blue Moon


ROTFLMAO!

[readandpost rosie]

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:10grepfisa9s272@corp.supernews.com...
:....................... Who the fuck is this arrogant fuckhead
: anyway? Nobody's angry in this newsgroup, you stupid piece of
shit. And
: nobody's arrogant either except for you -you're just way too
inferior to
: realize it.
:
: Sincerely, Everybody
:


ROTFLMAO!

[readandpost rosie]

: Rosie,
:
: I doubt that anyone who has carefully studied AA's teachings would
be
: able to see in your reply anything which suggests that you have
: knowledge of and are currently practicing those teachings.
:
: JB


Resentment Prayer

....from the story "Freedom from Bondage" in the "Big Book" of
Alcoholics Anonymous Pages 544-553 starting at the top of page 552

"One morning, however, I realized I had to get rid of it, for my
reprieve was running out, and if I didn't get rid of it I was going
to get drunk-and I didn't want to get drunk any more. In my prayers
that morning I asked God to point out to me some way to be free of
this resentment. During the day a friend of mine brought me some
magazines to take to a hospital group I was interested in, and I
looked through them and a "banner" across the front of one featured
an article by a prominent clergyman in which I caught the word
'resentment.'

"He said, in effect:"
'If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will pray
for the person or the thing you resent,

you will be free.

If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself to be
given to them,

you will be free.

Ask for their health, their prosperity, their happiness,

and you will be free.

Even when you don't really want it for them, and your prayers are
only words and you don't mean it, go ahead and do it anyway.

Do it every day for two weeks and you will find you have come to
mean it and to want it for them, and you will realize that where you
used to feel bitterness and resentment and hatred, you now feel
compassionate understanding and love.'


"It worked for me then and it has worked for me many times since,
and it will work for me every time I am willing to work it.
Sometimes I have to ask first for the willingness, but it always
comes. And because it works for me, it will work for all of us. As
another great man says. 'The only real freedom a human being can
ever know is doing what you ought to do because you want to do it.'"

"This great experience that released me from the bondage of hatred
and replaced it with love is really just another affirmation of the
truth I know: I get everything I need from Alcoholics
Anonymous-everything I need I get-and when I get what I need I
invariably find that it is just what I wanted all the time."

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DBqPc.52701$6t1.38470@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> :................... I
> : also happen to be one individual here who has solved the alcohol
> : problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as you
> might
> : like to think.
> :
> : --
> : Blue Moon
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!

Rosie,

I doubt that anyone who has carefully studied AA's teachings would be
able to see in your reply anything which suggests that you have
knowledge of and are currently practicing those teachings.

JB


JB

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:S3sPc.7170$ju6.5059@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : Rosie,
> :
> : I doubt that anyone who has carefully studied AA's teachings would
> be
> : able to see in your reply anything which suggests that you have
> : knowledge of and are currently practicing those teachings.
> :
> : JB
>
>
> Resentment Prayer
>
> ...from the story "Freedom from Bondage" in the "Big Book" of
> Alcoholics Anonymous Pages 544-553 starting at the top of page 552
>
> "One morning, however, I realized I had to get rid of it, for my
> reprieve was running out, and if I didn't get rid of it I was going
> to get drunk-and I didn't want to get drunk any more. In my prayers
> that morning I asked God to point out to me some way to be free of
> this resentment. During the day a friend of mine brought me some
> magazines to take to a hospital group I was interested in, and I
> looked through them and a "banner" across the front of one featured
> an article by a prominent clergyman in which I caught the word
> 'resentment.'
>
> "He said, in effect:"
> 'If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will pray
> for the person or the thing you resent,
>
> you will be free.
>
> If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself to be
> given to them,
>
> you will be free.................... "

<snip>

OK,

You're saying that you resent what Blue has because you have not got
what he has ?

JB

[readandpost rosie]

: > Resentment Prayer
: >
: > ...from the story "Freedom from Bondage" in the "Big Book" of
: > Alcoholics Anonymous Pages 544-553 starting at the top of page
552
: >
: > "One morning, however, I realized I had to get rid of it, for my
: > reprieve was running out, and if I didn't get rid of it I was
going
: > to get drunk-and I didn't want to get drunk any more. In my
prayers
: > that morning I asked God to point out to me some way to be free
of
: > this resentment. During the day a friend of mine brought me some
: > magazines to take to a hospital group I was interested in, and I
: > looked through them and a "banner" across the front of one
featured
: > an article by a prominent clergyman in which I caught the word
: > 'resentment.'
: >
: > "He said, in effect:"
: > 'If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will
pray
: > for the person or the thing you resent,
: >
: > you will be free.
: >
: > If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself
to be
: > given to them,
: >
: > you will be free.................... "
:


i meant this as a reminder to you, so you would be able to stop
humping my posts and hopefully find some recovery of your own.
resentment can be the only reason that your behavior toward me is so
odd!
you remain in my prayers.

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:celicn$6rr$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:DBqPc.52701$6t1.38470@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > :................... I
> > : also happen to be one individual here who has solved the
alcohol
> > : problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as
you
> > might
> > : like to think.
> > :
> > : --
> > : Blue Moon
> >
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
>
> Rosie,
>
> I doubt that anyone who has carefully studied AA's teachings would
be
> able to see in your reply anything which suggests that you have
> knowledge of and are currently practicing those teachings.
>

hahahaha, I was like that too when I first got sober, thinking that
perception was pertinent to study.

Bob

[readandpost rosie]

: Please consider the possibility that answers to these questions
could
: prove helpful to someone who continues to struggle to find a way
to
: quit drinking and stay quit.

: JB


changing your behavior toward me, would go along way toward the 12
step work you seek.
you remain in my prayers.

[JB]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:celjat$hg0$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:S3sPc.7170$ju6.5059@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > : Rosie,

<snip>

PS: Now that I know I am not in you killfile, I can now discard one
reason why you have not as yet answered the following questions:

"Do you believe that AA's 12 Step programme can help to bring about
the change in thinking that enables an alcoholic to realise that it is
not
OK for him/her to drink and therefore bring about his/her recovery
from alcoholism ?"

On more than one occasion, you've give AA credit for having enabled
you to not drink for some 21 years. What has AA taught you to enable
you to achieve that success ?

Despite your success, do you ever fear that one day you may again find
yourself "without defense against the first drink" ?

Please consider the possibility that answers to these questions could
prove helpful to someone who continues to struggle to find a way to
quit drinking and stay quit. Isn't passing onto others the message
which explains how it's possible to quit drinking and stay quit the
object of Step 12 ?

JB

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KzsPc.7211$ju6.5473@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : > Resentment Prayer
> : >
> : > ...from the story "Freedom from Bondage" in the "Big Book" of
> : > Alcoholics Anonymous Pages 544-553 starting at the top of page
> 552
> : >
> : > "One morning, however, I realized I had to get rid of it, for my
> : > reprieve was running out, and if I didn't get rid of it I was
> going
> : > to get drunk-and I didn't want to get drunk any more. In my
> prayers
> : > that morning I asked God to point out to me some way to be free
> of
> : > this resentment. During the day a friend of mine brought me some
> : > magazines to take to a hospital group I was interested in, and I
> : > looked through them and a "banner" across the front of one
> featured
> : > an article by a prominent clergyman in which I caught the word
> : > 'resentment.'
> : >
> : > "He said, in effect:"
> : > 'If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will
> pray
> : > for the person or the thing you resent,
> : >
> : > you will be free.
> : >
> : > If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself
> to be
> : > given to them,
> : >
> : > you will be free.................... "
> :
>
>
> i meant this as a reminder to you, so you would be able to stop
> humping my posts and hopefully find some recovery of your own.
> resentment can be the only reason that your behavior toward me is so
> odd!
> you remain in my prayers.
>
I note your comment

JB
>
>

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YAsPc.7218$ju6.3987@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> : Please consider the possibility that answers to these questions
> could
> : prove helpful to someone who continues to struggle to find a way
> to
> : quit drinking and stay quit.
>
> : JB
>
>
> changing your behavior toward me, would go along way toward the 12
> step work you seek.
> you remain in my prayers.

I note your comment

JB

[Gail]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:S3sPc.7170$ju6.5059@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : Rosie,
> :
> : I doubt that anyone who has carefully studied AA's teachings would
> be
> : able to see in your reply anything which suggests that you have
> : knowledge of and are currently practicing those teachings.
> :
> : JB
>
>
> Resentment Prayer
>
> ...from the story "Freedom from Bondage" in the "Big Book" of
> Alcoholics Anonymous Pages 544-553 starting at the top of page 552
>
> "One morning, however, I realized I had to get rid of it, for my
> reprieve was running out, and if I didn't get rid of it I was going
> to get drunk-and I didn't want to get drunk any more. In my prayers
> that morning I asked God to point out to me some way to be free of
> this resentment. During the day a friend of mine brought me some
> magazines to take to a hospital group I was interested in, and I
> looked through them and a "banner" across the front of one featured
> an article by a prominent clergyman in which I caught the word
> 'resentment.'
>
> "He said, in effect:"
> 'If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will pray
> for the person or the thing you resent,
>
> you will be free.
>
> If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself to be
> given to them,
>
> you will be free.
>
> Ask for their health, their prosperity, their happiness,
>
> and you will be free.
>
> Even when you don't really want it for them, and your prayers are
> only words and you don't mean it, go ahead and do it anyway.
>
> Do it every day for two weeks and you will find you have come to
> mean it and to want it for them, and you will realize that where you
> used to feel bitterness and resentment and hatred, you now feel
> compassionate understanding and love.'
>
>
> "It worked for me then and it has worked for me many times since,
> and it will work for me every time I am willing to work it.
> Sometimes I have to ask first for the willingness, but it always
> comes. And because it works for me, it will work for all of us. As
> another great man says. 'The only real freedom a human being can
> ever know is doing what you ought to do because you want to do it.'"
>
> "This great experience that released me from the bondage of hatred
> and replaced it with love is really just another affirmation of the
> truth I know: I get everything I need from Alcoholics
> Anonymous-everything I need I get-and when I get what I need I
> invariably find that it is just what I wanted all the time."
>
>

Hi Rosie. I was told to do this early in '99. I thought that it was the most
stupid thing I had ever heard. Pray for someone who had wronged me and
someone I didn't like? You know, it worked. The following day I was able to
be around that person and not make a fool out of myself with anger towards
that person. Since '99, I have and always do pray for those that I have a
resentment towards or for those that may have a resentment towards me. I
don't know if God is giving them all that he is giving me or all the things
that I want for myself. I do know that it helps me.
Take care,
Gail

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:53:30 GMT, "readandpost rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>i meant this as a reminder to you, so you would be able to stop
>humping my posts and hopefully find some recovery of your own.
>resentment can be the only reason that your behavior toward me is so
>odd!

Could I say the same about some of your behaviour toward myself?

--
Blue Moon

[readandpost rosie]

you "could" but you would be wrong BM.
don't flatter yourself, i don't even READ all your posts!

--

On Friday the White House estimated that "the budget deficit would
reach
$445 billion in this fiscal year, by far the largest shortfall
ever." The
administration claims that this figure is an improvement, but in
February
2003 the White House estimated that the deficit for 2004 would be
just over
$300 billion............................www.misleader.o rg









"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qdhtg01s4t9m1cqlb391rk28t556684rbi@4ax.com...
: On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:53:30 GMT, "readandpost rosie"
: <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >i meant this as a reminder to you, so you would be able to stop
: >humping my posts and hopefully find some recovery of your own.
: >resentment can be the only reason that your behavior toward me is
so
: >odd!
:
: Could I say the same about some of your behaviour toward myself?
:
: --
: Blue Moon

[readandpost rosie]

gail,
following the directions found in FREEDOM FROM BONDAGE is a very
valuable tool and imo works quite well!
at about two years of sobriety i was directed to it regarding my
ex-husband, and it worked like a charm.
although i must say, that i had to spend two weeks, praying for the
willingness to even follow the simple directions!
;)

--

On Friday the White House estimated that "the budget deficit would
reach
$445 billion in this fiscal year, by far the largest shortfall
ever." The
administration claims that this figure is an improvement, but in
February
2003 the White House estimated that the deficit for 2004 would be
just over
$300 billion............................www.misleader.o rg









"Gail" <sweetpawprints_920@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10gt1k4sqr54386@corp.supernews.com...
:
: "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
: news:S3sPc.7170$ju6.5059@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > : Rosie,
: > :
: > : I doubt that anyone who has carefully studied AA's teachings
would
: > be
: > : able to see in your reply anything which suggests that you
have
: > : knowledge of and are currently practicing those teachings.
: > :
: > : JB
: >
: >
: > Resentment Prayer
: >
: > ...from the story "Freedom from Bondage" in the "Big Book" of
: > Alcoholics Anonymous Pages 544-553 starting at the top of page
552
: >
: > "One morning, however, I realized I had to get rid of it, for my
: > reprieve was running out, and if I didn't get rid of it I was
going
: > to get drunk-and I didn't want to get drunk any more. In my
prayers
: > that morning I asked God to point out to me some way to be free
of
: > this resentment. During the day a friend of mine brought me some
: > magazines to take to a hospital group I was interested in, and I
: > looked through them and a "banner" across the front of one
featured
: > an article by a prominent clergyman in which I caught the word
: > 'resentment.'
: >
: > "He said, in effect:"
: > 'If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will
pray
: > for the person or the thing you resent,
: >
: > you will be free.
: >
: > If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself
to be
: > given to them,
: >
: > you will be free.
: >
: > Ask for their health, their prosperity, their happiness,
: >
: > and you will be free.
: >
: > Even when you don't really want it for them, and your prayers
are
: > only words and you don't mean it, go ahead and do it anyway.
: >
: > Do it every day for two weeks and you will find you have come to
: > mean it and to want it for them, and you will realize that where
you
: > used to feel bitterness and resentment and hatred, you now feel
: > compassionate understanding and love.'
: >
: >
: > "It worked for me then and it has worked for me many times
since,
: > and it will work for me every time I am willing to work it.
: > Sometimes I have to ask first for the willingness, but it always
: > comes. And because it works for me, it will work for all of us.
As
: > another great man says. 'The only real freedom a human being can
: > ever know is doing what you ought to do because you want to do
it.'"
: >
: > "This great experience that released me from the bondage of
hatred
: > and replaced it with love is really just another affirmation of
the
: > truth I know: I get everything I need from Alcoholics
: > Anonymous-everything I need I get-and when I get what I need I
: > invariably find that it is just what I wanted all the time."
: >
: >
:
: Hi Rosie. I was told to do this early in '99. I thought that it
was the most
: stupid thing I had ever heard. Pray for someone who had wronged me
and
: someone I didn't like? You know, it worked. The following day I
was able to
: be around that person and not make a fool out of myself with anger
towards
: that person. Since '99, I have and always do pray for those that I
have a
: resentment towards or for those that may have a resentment towards
me. I
: don't know if God is giving them all that he is giving me or all
the things
: that I want for myself. I do know that it helps me.
: Take care,
: Gail
:
:

[readandpost rosie]

does that mean you divide your BB into recovery and non recovery
sections?

--
rosie

On Friday the White House estimated that "the budget deficit would
reach
$445 billion in this fiscal year, by far the largest shortfall
ever." The
administration claims that this figure is an improvement, but in
February
2003 the White House estimated that the deficit for 2004 would be
just over
$300 billion............................www.misleader.o rg









"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:ceo7ko$lib$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
:
: "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
: news:0eNPc.70558$vN3.67862@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > gail,
: > following the directions found in FREEDOM FROM BONDAGE is a very
: > valuable tool and imo works quite well!
: > at about two years of sobriety i was directed to it regarding my
: > ex-husband, and it worked like a charm.
: > although i must say, that i had to spend two weeks, praying for
the
: > willingness to even follow the simple directions!
: > ;)
:
: For those who don't know, the programme which is mentioned in that
: chapter is described in detail in the recovery sections of the BB,
: which includes the chater "The Dr's Opinion".
:
: JB
:
:

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0eNPc.70558$vN3.67862@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> gail,
> following the directions found in FREEDOM FROM BONDAGE is a very
> valuable tool and imo works quite well!
> at about two years of sobriety i was directed to it regarding my
> ex-husband, and it worked like a charm.
> although i must say, that i had to spend two weeks, praying for the
> willingness to even follow the simple directions!
> ;)

For those who don't know, the programme which is mentioned in that
chapter is described in detail in the recovery sections of the BB,
which includes the chater "The Dr's Opinion".

JB

[readandpost rosie]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:ceok37$je9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
:

:
: Now, if I had
: chosen to read those stories without first reading anything else
in
: the BB and they had given me hope that I too could recover from
: alcoholism, probably, I'd have latched onto that word "programme"
and
: be thinking: "now what exactly is this remarkable programme that
: appears to bring about recovery from alcoholism ?


like i did?
reading "the stories" first, kept me interested in learning more.
joining a BIG BOOK group helped too!



:
: Now Rosie, if you have ever wondered why with each edition of the
BB
: that has come out some of the stories in it have changed but all
the
: chapters that can be found from and including "The Dr's Opinion"
: through to "A Vision for You" remain as they appeared in the 1st
: published edition of the BB, why do you think his might be ?
:
: JB



nope, never wondered..............it seemed obvious to me.

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:duNPc.70560$vN3.38030@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> does that mean you divide your BB into recovery and non recovery
> sections?

> rosie

No. The stories in the back of the BB explain what people have done
in order to quit drinking and stay quit. Probably all mention the
word
"programme" and how it has benefited each author. Now, if I had
chosen to read those stories without first reading anything else in
the BB and they had given me hope that I too could recover from
alcoholism, probably, I'd have latched onto that word "programme" and
be thinking: "now what exactly is this remarkable programme that
appears to bring about recovery from alcoholism ? Where can I find
out about it ?" The answer is: "In the chapters in the BB which
precede the stories in it.

Now Rosie, if you have ever wondered why with each edition of the BB
that has come out some of the stories in it have changed but all the
chapters that can be found from and including "The Dr's Opinion"
through to "A Vision for You" remain as they appeared in the 1st
published edition of the BB, why do you think his might be ?

JB


> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:ceo7ko$lib$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> :
> : "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> : news:0eNPc.70558$vN3.67862@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : > gail,
> : > following the directions found in FREEDOM FROM BONDAGE is a very
> : > valuable tool and imo works quite well!
> : > at about two years of sobriety i was directed to it regarding my
> : > ex-husband, and it worked like a charm.
> : > although i must say, that i had to spend two weeks, praying for
> the
> : > willingness to even follow the simple directions!
> : > ;)
> :
> : For those who don't know, the programme which is mentioned in that
> : chapter is described in detail in the recovery sections of the BB,
> : which includes the chater "The Dr's Opinion".
> :
> : JB
> :
> :
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:ceok37$je9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:duNPc.70560$vN3.38030@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > does that mean you divide your BB into recovery and non recovery
> > sections?
>
> > rosie
>
> No. The stories in the back of the BB explain what people have
done
> in order to quit drinking and stay quit.

Jeez, I found those stories to be primarily proclamation, as distinct
from explanation.

My later discovery that contrary to the respective authors wishes,
many of those stories were edited, helped me understand, if not
accept, the poverty of explanation in them.

Bob

[Gail]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mHQPc.9053$ju6.2075@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:ceok37$je9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> :
>
> :
> : Now, if I had
> : chosen to read those stories without first reading anything else
> in
> : the BB and they had given me hope that I too could recover from
> : alcoholism, probably, I'd have latched onto that word "programme"
> and
> : be thinking: "now what exactly is this remarkable programme that
> : appears to bring about recovery from alcoholism ?
>
>
> like i did?
> reading "the stories" first, kept me interested in learning more.
> joining a BIG BOOK group helped too!
>
>
>
> :
> : Now Rosie, if you have ever wondered why with each edition of the
> BB
> : that has come out some of the stories in it have changed but all
> the
> : chapters that can be found from and including "The Dr's Opinion"
> : through to "A Vision for You" remain as they appeared in the 1st
> : published edition of the BB, why do you think his might be ?
> :
> : JB
>
>
>
> nope, never wondered..............it seemed obvious to me.
>
>

LOL! Rosie, I agree. I read the stories first. In fact, it was suggested to
me to buy a big book and read the stories since my head was so full of
confusion and crap. I probably would not have gotten anything from reading
about steps, honesty, self will, resentments, ammends, etc. I related to the
stories more so when I first bought a big book and started reading it.
Attending meetings and listening to other people talk about what was in the
other part of the big book helped me to understand what the first 165 pages
were there for, and then, it took me a long time to read them and understand
them. People in this ng helped me to understand and encouraged reading the
big book, other than the stories. I think where ever one starts reading it
is ok. Heck, someone just breaking down and buying a big book is the most
important thing. Just my opinion.
Best,
Gail

[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2na70qFugjmfU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:ceok37$je9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:duNPc.70560$vN3.38030@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > does that mean you divide your BB into recovery and non recovery
> > > sections?
> >
> > > rosie
> >
> > No. The stories in the back of the BB explain what people have
> done
> > in order to quit drinking and stay quit.
>
> Jeez, I found those stories to be primarily proclamation, as
distinct
> from explanation.

Bob,

Once again, you've left me in no doubt that my command of English is
considerably poorer than yours. Maybe, my deciosn to use the word "
explain", was an ufortunate one :^)

ATB

JB

>
> My later discovery that contrary to the respective authors wishes,
> many of those stories were edited, helped me understand, if not
> accept, the poverty of explanation in them.
>
> Bob
>
>
>

[readandpost rosie]

"Gail" <sweetpawprints_920@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10gvph680s5o771@corp.supernews.com...

>>LOL! Rosie, I agree. I read the stories first. In fact, it was
suggested to
>>me to buy a big book and read the stories since my head was so
full of
>>confusion and crap.


LOL!
seems like we were in the same shape when we "got to the tables"!
;)



>>I probably would not have gotten anything from reading
>>about steps, honesty, self will, resentments, amends, etc.

ABSOLUTELY!



>>Heck, someone just breaking down and buying a big book is the most
>>important thing. Just my opinion.
>>Best,
>>Gail


YUP!
its those "little steps toward willingness"....................
;)


--
rosie

On Friday the White House estimated that "the budget deficit would
reach
$445 billion in this fiscal year, by far the largest shortfall
ever." The
administration claims that this figure is an improvement, but in
February
2003 the White House estimated that the deficit for 2004 would be
just over
$300 billion............................www.misleader.o rg









"Gail" <sweetpawprints_920@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10gvph680s5o771@corp.supernews.com...
:
: "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
: news:mHQPc.9053$ju6.2075@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: >
: >
: > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: > news:ceok37$je9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > :
: >
: > :
: > : Now, if I had
: > : chosen to read those stories without first reading anything
else
: > in
: > : the BB and they had given me hope that I too could recover
from
: > : alcoholism, probably, I'd have latched onto that word
"programme"
: > and
: > : be thinking: "now what exactly is this remarkable programme
that
: > : appears to bring about recovery from alcoholism ?
: >
: >
: > like i did?
: > reading "the stories" first, kept me interested in learning
more.
: > joining a BIG BOOK group helped too!
: >
: >
: >
: > :
: > : Now Rosie, if you have ever wondered why with each edition of
the
: > BB
: > : that has come out some of the stories in it have changed but
all
: > the
: > : chapters that can be found from and including "The Dr's
Opinion"
: > : through to "A Vision for You" remain as they appeared in the
1st
: > : published edition of the BB, why do you think his might be ?
: > :
: > : JB
: >
: >
: >
: > nope, never wondered..............it seemed obvious to me.
: >
: >
:
: LOL! Rosie, I agree. I read the stories first. In fact, it was
suggested to
: me to buy a big book and read the stories since my head was so
full of
: confusion and crap. I probably would not have gotten anything from
reading
: about steps, honesty, self will, resentments, ammends, etc. I
related to the
: stories more so when I first bought a big book and started reading
it.
: Attending meetings and listening to other people talk about what
was in the
: other part of the big book helped me to understand what the first
165 pages
: were there for, and then, it took me a long time to read them and
understand
: them. People in this ng helped me to understand and encouraged
reading the
: big book, other than the stories. I think where ever one starts
reading it
: is ok. Heck, someone just breaking down and buying a big book is
the most
: important thing. Just my opinion.
: Best,
: Gail
:
:

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:21:55 GMT, "readandpost rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>you "could" but you would be wrong BM.
>don't flatter yourself, i don't even READ all your posts!

I'm not flattering myself at all - sometimes the only way I know you
are reading is when I get what could only be described as
resentment-triggered response.

--
Blue Moon

[readandpost rosie]

: I'm not flattering myself at all - sometimes the only way I know
you
: are reading is when I get what could only be described as
: resentment-triggered response.
:
: --
: Blue Moon

interesting observation, but inaccurate.
i don't resent you BM, as i have explained before, resentment takes
much more effort than i am willing to exert and waste.

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:25:36 -0500, "readandpost rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>: I'm not flattering myself at all - sometimes the only way I know
>you
>: are reading is when I get what could only be described as
>: resentment-triggered response.
>:
>: --
>: Blue Moon
>
>interesting observation, but inaccurate.
>i don't resent you BM, as i have explained before, resentment takes
>much more effort than i am willing to exert and waste.

Really?

No, resentment takes no effort at all. If it did, drunks wouldn't
stay resentful. Hell, a drunk will quit a job, a relationship and a
home but he'll easily hang onto that resentment! No, it's doing
something about resentment that takes the effort.

--
Blue Moon

[readandpost rosie]

: >i don't resent you BM, as i have explained before, resentment
takes
: >much more effort than i am willing to exert and waste.
:
: Really?
:
: No, resentment takes no effort at all. If it did, drunks wouldn't
: stay resentful. Hell, a drunk will quit a job, a relationship and
a
: home but he'll easily hang onto that resentment! No, it's doing
: something about resentment that takes the effort.
:
: --
: Blue Moon

imo, and YMMV, resentment DOES take effort.............
in my early sobriety, i had some trouble with it, and did the
FREEDOM FOR BONDAGE thing, and it was removed.

resentment is NOT an emotion that alkies should "sit
in"............................so i don't!
:)

[Robert McGregor]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1JfQc.9374$ju6.4754@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : >i don't resent you BM, as i have explained before, resentment
> takes
> : >much more effort than i am willing to exert and waste.
> :
> : Really?
> :
> : No, resentment takes no effort at all. If it did, drunks
wouldn't
> : stay resentful. Hell, a drunk will quit a job, a relationship
and
> a
> : home but he'll easily hang onto that resentment! No, it's doing
> : something about resentment that takes the effort.
> :
> : --
> : Blue Moon
>
> imo, and YMMV, resentment DOES take effort.............
> in my early sobriety, i had some trouble with it, and did the
> FREEDOM FOR BONDAGE thing, and it was removed.
>
> resentment is NOT an emotion that alkies should "sit
> in"............................so i don't!
> :)


"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message



<MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>



> i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my experience,
strength

>and hope and to remind those who come, that

> these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that
can be

>found in AA and other support groups!

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1JfQc.9374$ju6.4754@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : >i don't resent you BM, as i have explained before, resentment
> takes
> : >much more effort than i am willing to exert and waste.
> :
> : Really?
> :
> : No, resentment takes no effort at all. If it did, drunks wouldn't
> : stay resentful. Hell, a drunk will quit a job, a relationship and
> a
> : home but he'll easily hang onto that resentment! No, it's doing
> : something about resentment that takes the effort.
> :
> : --
> : Blue Moon
>
> imo, and YMMV, resentment DOES take effort.............
> in my early sobriety, i had some trouble with it, and did the
> FREEDOM FOR BONDAGE thing, and it was removed.
>
> resentment is NOT an emotion that alkies should "sit
> in"............................so i don't!
> :)
>
Rosie,

What does the word "resentment" mean to you ?

JB

[readandpost rosie]

: > these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding,
that
: can be
:
: >found in AA and other support groups!
:
:

its a VERY sad fact indeed!

[readandpost rosie]

:
: What does the word "resentment" mean to you ?
:
: JB
:
:

Main Entry: re·sent·ment

Pronunciation: ri-'zent-m&nt
Function: noun
: a feeling of indignant displeasure or persistent ill will at
something regarded as a wrong, insult, or injury

http://www.m-w.com/

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FSqQc.71876$vN3.5655@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> :
> : What does the word "resentment" mean to you ?
> :
> : JB
> :
> :
>
> Main Entry: re·sent·ment
>
> Pronunciation: ri-'zent-m&nt
> Function: noun
> : a feeling of indignant displeasure or persistent ill will at
> something regarded as a wrong, insult, or injury
>
> http://www.m-w.com/

OK, So if it was not resentment that drove you to post "ROFLMAO" in
reply to Blue saying:

> :................... I
> : also happen to be one individual here who has solved the alcohol
> : problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as you
> might
> : like to think.
> :
> : --
> : Blue Moon

----------

and also the following:

"Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
off his dry drunk."

"drunk again, huh bob?"

"sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."

"yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
him/her, but until then.......................ick!

"you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
you, but you truly are running out of
excuses........................")

"moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
taking sleeping pills".

"jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
crap that is spewed by him/her".

"i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
player............i don't know what you call it over
there.....................just pathetic"

"JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"

"harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."

"JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
the he/she tries to stir up............................"

"JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
------

what did make you do so. Your HP ? :^)

From: rosie read and post (readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com)
Date: 2004-06-04 06:07:29 PST

:)

HP always takes my calls!
-------------

BTW, I'm posting this after being reminded that you've said::

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
<MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

> i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my
experience,strength
>and hope and to remind those who come, that
> these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that
can be
>found in AA and other support groups!
-----------

JB

[readandpost rosie]

If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
you, then you are probably being trolled.

--
rosie

: what did make you do so. Your HP ? :^)
:
:JB

[readandpost rosie]

:
: what did make you do so ?
:
: JB
:
:

i just KNOW that you cannot be this dense!

> If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite
to
> you, then you are probably being trolled.

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:ceughm$k98$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:txzQc.71930$vN3.43591@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> > detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite
to
> > you, then you are probably being trolled.
> >
> > --
> > rosie
> >
> > : what did make you do so. Your HP ? :^)
> > :
> > :JB
>
> OK :^) Try this:
>
> So if it was not resentment that drove you to post "ROFLMAO" in
> reply to Blue saying:
>
> > :................... I
> > : also happen to be one individual here who has solved the
alcohol
> > : problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as
you
> > might
> > : like to think.
> > :
> > : --
> > : Blue Moon
>
> ----------
>
> and also the following:
>
> "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the
other
> koalas.......................... at least not before he finally
"gets
> it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and
gets
> off his dry drunk."
>
> "drunk again, huh bob?"
>
> "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you
are
> concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
>
> "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
> her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
> CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
> him/her, but until then.......................ick!
>
> "you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because
of
> your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking
on
> you, but you truly are running out of
> excuses........................")
>
> "moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
> taking sleeping pills".
>
> "jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB
posts
> started to appear....................... it didn't take long
before
> the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
> ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
> crap that is spewed by him/her".
>
> "i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
> play".................here in the states you would be referred to
as a
> player............i don't know what you call it over
> there.....................just pathetic"
>
> "JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
> disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt"
about!"
>
> "harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is
not."
>
> "JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary
crap
> the he/she tries to stir up............................"
>
> "JB, you just don't get it do you...............................
you
> are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
> ------
>
> what did make you do so ?
>

rosie wrote:



>

> i like to remind people who gossip, and those who listen to gossip

> are EQUALLY wrong.

>

> when someone starts gossiping about another in my presence, i STOP

> THEM, and tell them that my listening to them is as bad as their

> gossiping, and i am not comfortable doing so.

> they NEVER persist in their gossiping with me.

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:txzQc.71930$vN3.43591@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite to
> you, then you are probably being trolled.
>
> --
> rosie
>
> : what did make you do so. Your HP ? :^)
> :
> :JB

OK :^) Try this:

So if it was not resentment that drove you to post "ROFLMAO" in
reply to Blue saying:

> :................... I
> : also happen to be one individual here who has solved the alcohol
> : problem, therefore my contribution cannot be as valueless as you
> might
> : like to think.
> :
> : --
> : Blue Moon

----------

and also the following:

"Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
off his dry drunk."

"drunk again, huh bob?"

"sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."

"yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
him/her, but until then.......................ick!

"you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
you, but you truly are running out of
excuses........................")

"moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
taking sleeping pills".

"jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
crap that is spewed by him/her".

"i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
player............i don't know what you call it over
there.....................just pathetic"

"JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"

"harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."

"JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
the he/she tries to stir up............................"

"JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
------

what did make you do so ?

JB

[readandpost rosie]

ROTLFMAO!

(just sitting here waiting patiently for you to chime in
robert......................your quite predictable!)

[Little Davy Jones]

In article <V8AQc.56357$6t1.12824@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com says...
>
> ROTLFMAO!
>
> (just sitting here waiting patiently for you to chime in
> robert......................your quite predictable!)

Incorrect usage.. Actually, that should be 'you're
quite predictable!' 'Your' should only be used
in a 'possessive' context, where, 'you're' --
you, apostrophe, 're'; well, you should know this.



--
"Ol' Howard just pointed with his gun And said that
way down on Highway 61"

[Robert McGregor]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:V8AQc.56357$6t1.12824@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> ROTLFMAO!
>
> (just sitting here waiting patiently for you to chime in
> robert......................your quite predictable!)
>

You do often babble on about being here to share, but what an
existance you have to share! No wonder your track record of posting
other people's smarm.

Bob

[JB]

"readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cFzQc.71932$vN3.57146@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> :
> : what did make you do so ?
> :
> : JB
> :
> :
>
> i just KNOW that you cannot be this dense!
>
> > If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in great
> > detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being polite
> to
> > you, then you are probably being trolled.

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
<MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

> i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my
experience,strength
>and hope and to remind those who come, that
> these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that
can be
>found in AA and other support groups!
-----------

LOL.

"Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the other
koalas.......................... at least not before he finally "gets
it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and gets
off his dry drunk."

"drunk again, huh bob?"

"sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you are
concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."

"yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
him/her, but until then.......................ick!

"you know something moonie? i have "cut you tons of slack" because of
your wife's battle with cancer, and the toll that it must be taking on
you, but you truly are running out of
excuses........................")

"moonie is upset because he was exposed for not being sober, and
taking sleeping pills".

"jonathan, i also treated JB as a sincere newcomer when the JB posts
started to appear....................... it didn't take long before
the lies started to build up, and since being called on them, or
ignored by me, JB has been added to my list of malcontents for the
crap that is spewed by him/her".

"i was laughing at you JB, because of the pathetic way "you
play".................here in the states you would be referred to as a
player............i don't know what you call it over
there.....................just pathetic"

"JB, is just sitting in a "pity pot of rejection" which will
disappear as soon as he/she finds something else to be "hurt" about!"

"harry, do not interpret JB's post as being sincere. he/she is not."

"JB, must live with the lies that he/she has told, the imaginary crap
the he/she tries to stir up............................"

"JB, you just don't get it do you............................... you
are who you say you are, and its NEVER been really believable!"
------

[JB]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cevgbc$cn$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "readandpost rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> news:cFzQc.71932$vN3.57146@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > :
> > : what did make you do so ?
> > :
> > : JB
> >
> > i just KNOW that you cannot be this dense!
> >
> > > If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in
great
> > > detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being
polite
> > to
> > > you, then you are probably being trolled.
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
> <MU0Fa.72106$jT4.1515242@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
>
> > i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my
> experience,strength
> >and hope and to remind those who come, that
> > these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that
> can be
> >found in AA and other support groups!
> -----------
>
> LOL.
>
> "Jonathan, i don't want MCGOOGLE to get shot along with all the
other
> koalas.......................... at least not before he finally
"gets
> it", and is finally able to have some real serenity/sobriety, and
gets
> off his dry drunk."
>
> "drunk again, huh bob?"
>
> "sorry christine, but i think a few of us are "gun shy" where you
are
> concerned. your name calling certainly LIMITS discussion."
>
> "yeah, yeah, yeah, heard all the stories about
> her"husband"...................... when he/she starts even getting
> CLOSE to telling the truth, i will think twice about killfiling
> him/her, but until then.......................ick!

<snip>
> ------
>
PS:

Rosie,

This exchange has brought to mind the idea that at times, maybe both
of us behave insanely :^) By that, I mean, we do the same
thing over and over and over again, expecting different results but
getting the same ;^)

Recently, I was talking to someone who I'm convinced is also an
alcoholic who appears to be also acting insanely. They told me that
they were going to try to quit drinking by gradually reducing the
amount they drank. Now, this person has previously tried by this
means to quit drinking as a result of which they've succeeded in
staying quit for a few weeks at most. This person has often given me
the impression that they believe that by doing exactly what've done
before, they'll get a different result. I'm not sure whether the
result they hope for is controlled drinking or abstinence.

Dr Silkworth's theory is that once an alcoholic put alcohol into their
body, it sets up a powerful physical craving for alcohol which forces
them to continue drinking. From personal experience, I have no doubt
that there is truth in this theory. Therefore, if this person hopes
to become either someone who can control their drinking or a
non-drinker, what they are doing, seems to suggest that they will not
achieve either goal.

JB

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cevmi1$hf4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>we do the same
> thing over and over and over again, expecting different results but
> getting the same ;^)

"We"?

Bob.

[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2nh70cFrok4U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:cevmi1$hf4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >we do the same
> > thing over and over and over again, expecting different results
but
> > getting the same ;^)
>
> "We"?
>
> Bob.
>
IMO, it was an appropriate choice of word:

> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:cevmi1$hf4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

<snip>

"This exchange has brought to mind the idea that at times, maybe both
of us behave insanely :^) By that, I mean, we do the same
thing over and over and over again, expecting different results but
getting the same ;^)"

<snip>
-----------

I figured that not everyone would agree :^)

JB

PS: I remember your recent post about the, relatively, cold weather
you were having and how it appeared to be adversely affecting your
back. Hopefully, both have significantly improved.

ATB

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cevthq$fev$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2nh70cFrok4U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:cevmi1$hf4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >we do the same
> > > thing over and over and over again, expecting different results
> but
> > > getting the same ;^)
> >
> > "We"?
> >
> > Bob.
> >
> IMO, it was an appropriate choice of word:
>
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:cevmi1$hf4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> <snip>
>
> "This exchange has brought to mind the idea that at times, maybe
both
> of us behave insanely :^) By that, I mean, we do the same
> thing over and over and over again, expecting different results but
> getting the same ;^)"
>
> <snip>
> -----------
>
> I figured that not everyone would agree :^)
>
> JB
>
> PS: I remember your recent post about the, relatively, cold
weather
> you were having and how it appeared to be adversely affecting your
> back. Hopefully, both have significantly improved.
>

Thank you. The days here are glorious, and I'm not. However, getting
a little more done each day. Even attempted making small apple and
mixed berry pies today. Started off with real fruit, and ended up
with deflated, leaky, oversweet jam and pastry thingamajigs.

However, all is not lost! Despite any online macho, I do prefer not
to eat alone with company present, so guess the thingamajigs will be
ideal for freezing and serving, along with the ancient lump of
coffee, to those "trying" and still practicing drunks, who are
occasionally overcome with a need to renew contact, at meal times.

Bob

[readandpost rosie]

"Little Davy Jones" <deathbynightshade@nospamplease.com> wrote in
message news:MPG.1b7c7f976afafe6a98b671@news.alt.net...


your correct!
;)

[readandpost rosie]

: > > If you find yourself patiently explaining, at length and in
great
: > > detail, some obscure point to someone who isn't even being
polite
: > to
: > > you, then you are probably being trolled.
:
:

[readandpost rosie]

:
: Thank you. The days here are glorious, and I'm not. However,
getting
: a little more done each day.


your healing is in my thoughts and prayers!

[Blue Moon]

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:05:01 GMT, "readandpost rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>: >i don't resent you BM, as i have explained before, resentment
>takes
>: >much more effort than i am willing to exert and waste.
>:
>: Really?
>:
>: No, resentment takes no effort at all. If it did, drunks wouldn't
>: stay resentful. Hell, a drunk will quit a job, a relationship and
>a
>: home but he'll easily hang onto that resentment! No, it's doing
>: something about resentment that takes the effort.
>:
>: --
>: Blue Moon
>
>imo, and YMMV, resentment DOES take effort.............
>in my early sobriety, i had some trouble with it, and did the
>FREEDOM FOR BONDAGE thing, and it was removed.

Resentment took effort, and so you had to go to some effort to rid
yourself of it?

>resentment is NOT an emotion that alkies should "sit
>in"............................so i don't!
>:)

Resentment can be an emotional killer. But it's amazing how many seem
to have resentment brewing for years before doing anything about it.

--
Blue Moon

[readandpost rosie]

: Resentment can be an emotional killer. But it's amazing how many
seem
: to have resentment brewing for years before doing anything about
it.
:
: --
: Blue Moon


you are correct................resentment can be deadly!