Re: Neurophysiology of Depression and Implications for "Recovery"

[Markus]

"Kev" <none@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have seen some interesting theories that propose a deficit in
> dopamine producing cells in the reward pathway, suggesting that drug
> use makes up for the deficiency

Or creates that deficiency where as happiness is a feeling only remembered.

> ("Reward Deficiency Syndrome" Kenneth Blum, ....

I'm not a big fan of Peele's, but all the same, here is an article by him
re: Blum: http://www.peele.net/faq/blum.html

> It is more likely that addiction would be a learned behavior that was
> a common symptom of such a neurological condition.

I'm convinced that Pavlov's research is the beginning of the right path into
what addition basically is all about--reward (as you said earlier I
believe).

Markus
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[Markus]

"Markus" <markus@cablewave.com> wrote in message
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> I'm convinced that Pavlov's research is the beginning of the right path
into
> what addition basically is all about--reward (as you said earlier I
> believe).

Um y'all, eyes pretty shur eyes a meant "addiction," nots addition.....

:-)

[Kev]

Markus wrote:

> "Kev" <none@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2mdf13Flslc3U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> > I have seen some interesting theories that propose a deficit in
> > dopamine producing cells in the reward pathway, suggesting that drug
> > use makes up for the deficiency
>
> Or creates that deficiency where as happiness is a feeling only
> remembered.
>
> > ("Reward Deficiency Syndrome" Kenneth Blum, ....
>
> I'm not a big fan of Peele's, but all the same, here is an article by
> him re: Blum: http://www.peele.net/faq/blum.html
>
> > It is more likely that addiction would be a learned behavior that
> > was a common symptom of such a neurological condition.
>
> I'm convinced that Pavlov's research is the beginning of the right
> path into what addition basically is all about--reward (as you said
> earlier I believe).
>
> Markus

Yep, I knew about Blum trying to cash in with his vitamin/enzyme
bullshit. As with any research you have to start from a skeptical
viewpoint and knowing something like this about Blum certainly makes
you view his work less positively. However, drugs of addiction do act
on the reward pathways so the idea is plausible even if Blum himself is
not

--
Kev
Brighton UK

[H.P. Gawd]

On 27 Jul 2004 12:19:52 GMT, "Kev" <none@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Markus wrote:
>
>> I'm not a big fan of Peele's, but all the same, here is an article by
>> him re: Blum: http://www.peele.net/faq/blum.html
>>
>> > It is more likely that addiction would be a learned behavior that
>> > was a common symptom of such a neurological condition.
>>
>> I'm convinced that Pavlov's research is the beginning of the right
>> path into what addition basically is all about--reward (as you said
>> earlier I believe).

Yep. In large part for sure.

>Yep, I knew about Blum trying to cash in with his vitamin/enzyme
>bullshit.

Yep. Like so many others. It works as long as you throw at
reader enough presudo-scientific crap the reader like to
think makes sense.

>s with any research you have to start from a skeptical
>viewpoint and knowing something like this about Blum certainly makes
>you view his work less positively. However, drugs of addiction do act
>on the reward pathways so the idea is plausible even if Blum himself is
>not

Wow! An intelligent conversation in
alt.recovery,alt.recovery.addiction.alcoholism? I pretty
much thought it's impossible. Maybe you guys need to
cross-post for - for the educational benefits of the
cult's followers.

HP-G

[Tom]

"Markus" <markus@cablewave.com> wrote in message news:<5fSdnRnp8-ZBTJjc4p2dnA@wavecable.com>...
> "Kev" <none@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2mdf13Flslc3U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> > I have seen some interesting theories that propose a deficit in
> > dopamine producing cells in the reward pathway, suggesting that drug
> > use makes up for the deficiency
>
> Or creates that deficiency where as happiness is a feeling only remembered.
>
> > ("Reward Deficiency Syndrome" Kenneth Blum, ....
>
> I'm not a big fan of Peele's, but all the same, here is an article by him
> re: Blum: http://www.peele.net/faq/blum.html
>
> > It is more likely that addiction would be a learned behavior that was
> > a common symptom of such a neurological condition.
>
> I'm convinced that Pavlov's research is the beginning of the right path into
> what addition basically is all about--reward (as you said earlier I
> believe).
>
> Markus

If I'm not mistaken, the psychobabble term for the study of applying
"pavlovian" conditioning to human beings is operant conditioning
theory, right? And isn't operant conditioning theory also the theory
behind the *most clinically proven* alcohol recovery treatment -- the
brief intervention programs?

If so, I think you're onto something!

[H.P. Gawd]

On 27 Jul 2004 23:57:28 -0700, ouroborous@hotmail.com (Tom) wrote:

>"Markus" <markus@cablewave.com> wrote in message news:<5fSdnRnp8-ZBTJjc4p2dnA@wavecable.com>...
>> "Kev" <none@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2mdf13Flslc3U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> > I have seen some interesting theories that propose a deficit in
>> > dopamine producing cells in the reward pathway, suggesting that drug
>> > use makes up for the deficiency
>>
>> Or creates that deficiency where as happiness is a feeling only remembered.
>>
>> > ("Reward Deficiency Syndrome" Kenneth Blum, ....
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of Peele's, but all the same, here is an article by him
>> re: Blum: http://www.peele.net/faq/blum.html
>>
>> > It is more likely that addiction would be a learned behavior that was
>> > a common symptom of such a neurological condition.
>>
>> I'm convinced that Pavlov's research is the beginning of the right path into
>> what addition basically is all about--reward (as you said earlier I
>> believe).
>>
>> Markus
>
>If I'm not mistaken, the psychobabble term for the study of applying
>"pavlovian" conditioning to human beings is operant conditioning
>theory, right?

Nope. The psychobabble term is for "Pavlovian" conditioning is
"classical" or "Pavlovian" conditioning. And it is something
completely different from operant conditioning. (In the latter
response depends on its consequences, while in the former it
does not).

>And isn't operant conditioning theory also the theory
>behind the *most clinically proven* alcohol recovery treatment -- the
>brief intervention programs?

Is it? I was under impression that _any_ 1-3 sessions program
is called "brief intervention". Its modality can be just
about anything - from motivational enhancement to educational
lectures.

>If so, I think you're onto something!

It is pretty much a consensus now that Pavlovian conditioning
is responsible for a large part of all addictive behaviours.
The debate is not about "if" but about "to what exactly
extent".

HP-G