Re: Ping Moonraker

[Moonraker]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Moonraker,
>
> If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge between us,
from your side, then I'll
> happily work on it from mine.
>
> Wishing you all the best
>
> JB
>
>
No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.

Think about this: what motive would I, or anybody else, have for
misleading you or giving you bad info? Those who have replied in this
thread are ones who have basically told you what worked for "them". And the
consensus is pretty strong. Nobody...nobody has ( or can) disputed the
answers you got to the questions you posed.

The BB says something to the effect that "alcoholics seldom respond to
frothy appeals". The point is, plain speaking and strong language is what
it takes for most drunks to take an honest look at themselves. And until
you are willing to admit to your innermost self that you are alcoholic,
it's doubtless that you'll see my, or any other sober alcoholic's honest
comments as anything but harsh. As you learned for yourself, whining and
banging on your high-chair doesn't go over real well at AA meetings.

It is never a good idea to ask an alcoholic "Honey, does this dress make
my ass look fat?"

Your life's situation, while not the best, doesn't make you unique, at
all. As Bobby L. said, "no points for martyrdom." You made, and continue
to make, the choices in your life. Not us.

FWIW, I, too, have a chronically ill spouse. It's just part of the "in
sickness and in health" part of things. Not a reason for me to go get
drunk.

The BB says "If you are as seriously alcoholic as we were, there are no
halfway measures" (or something to that effect. May not be an exact
quote.) So, IMO, those who would tell you to "take your time", "think
things through", "there are other ways", "moderation", "rationalization",
"accupuncture", or other such tripe are doing you a powerful dis-service.
Those ways "may" work, I don't know. I guess if they did, there'd be
somebody from one of those camps around here banging that drum, don'tcha
think?

So, if the plain, unvarnished truth is more than you can handle...probably
you should stop asking if the dress makes your ass look fat. "Somebody's"
gonna tell you what it looks like from their perspective. If the truth
hurts your feelings, I'm sorry. Would you rather be lied to, saving your
feelings, and continue to die a slow death? I'm sure you can find somebody
to do that.

You keep on asking your questions. Please know that the answers I give you
are not meant to be hateful or spiteful. If they are factually wrong, you
can bet somebody will correct me.

[rosie readandpost]

> The BB says something to the effect that "alcoholics seldom respond to
> frothy appeals". The point is, plain speaking and strong language is what
> it takes for most drunks to take an honest look at themselves.


that use to be my modus operandi in early sobriety.............no longer!
imo, this ROUGH CRAP is not needed!
(i got enough of that when i was using!)

rosie

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > The BB says something to the effect that "alcoholics seldom respond to
> > frothy appeals". The point is, plain speaking and strong language is
what
> > it takes for most drunks to take an honest look at themselves.
>
>
> that use to be my modus operandi in early sobriety.............no longer!
> imo, this ROUGH CRAP is not needed!
> (i got enough of that when i was using!)
>
> rosie
>
>
I suppose we need to re-write the Big Book to accomodate "your" approach to
things, eh? Still looking for that easier, softer way?

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bertj4$dek$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Hi Moonraker,
> >
> > If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge between us,
> from your side, then I'll
> > happily work on it from mine.
> >
> > Wishing you all the best
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.
>
(long sermon snipped)
>
I guess I should have anticipated a sermon :^))

JB

[Moonraker]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:0ggQa.5686$R8.2302@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:bes3cb$vv3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:BxfQa.5463$R8.3215@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > >
> > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bertj4$dek$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > Hi Moonraker,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge between
us,
> > > > from your side, then I'll
> > > > > happily work on it from mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wishing you all the best
> > > > >
> > > > > JB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.
> > > >
> > > (long sermon snipped)
> > > >
> > > I guess I should have anticipated a sermon :^))
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
> > I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a thoughtful,
honest
> > answer. Oh, well. I give up.
> >
> Shame.
>
> Just for for the record, I thought you gave a full and frank answer
that's going to be very useful
> to me. It gave a perspective on alcholism that I've never before had the
opportunity to consider.
> For this, I thank you.
>
> JB
>
>

Then, why didn't you say that instead of chastising me for "preaching"?

What do you mean, "shame"? For figuring that I'm wasting my time and
effort trying to help you ? That's sure an interesting response.

(Shakes head slowly and meanders off.....)

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bes3cb$vv3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:BxfQa.5463$R8.3215@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bertj4$dek$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > Hi Moonraker,
> > > >
> > > > If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge between us,
> > > from your side, then I'll
> > > > happily work on it from mine.
> > > >
> > > > Wishing you all the best
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.
> > >
> > (long sermon snipped)
> > >
> > I guess I should have anticipated a sermon :^))
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a thoughtful, honest
> answer. Oh, well. I give up.
>
Shame.

Just for for the record, I thought you gave a full and frank answer that's going to be very useful
to me. It gave a perspective on alcholism that I've never before had the opportunity to consider.
For this, I thank you.

JB

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bes5qk$f9v$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:0ggQa.5686$R8.2302@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bes3cb$vv3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:BxfQa.5463$R8.3215@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bertj4$dek$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > > Hi Moonraker,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge between
> us,
> > > > > from your side, then I'll
> > > > > > happily work on it from mine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wishing you all the best
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.
> > > > >
> > > > (long sermon snipped)
> > > > >
> > > > I guess I should have anticipated a sermon :^))
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a thoughtful,
> honest
> > > answer. Oh, well. I give up.
> > >
> > Shame.
> >
> > Just for for the record, I thought you gave a full and frank answer
> that's going to be very useful
> > to me. It gave a perspective on alcholism that I've never before had the
> opportunity to consider.
> > For this, I thank you.
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
>
> Then, why didn't you say that instead of chastising me for "preaching"?
>
> What do you mean, "shame"? For figuring that I'm wasting my time and
> effort trying to help you ? That's sure an interesting response.
>
> (Shakes head slowly and meanders off.....)
>
Why post this when you were already ahead in the game ? Are you not smart enough to realise when
you've won the point ?

As I have no desire to get into further arguments with you Moonraker, I'm throwing in the towel rght
now.

JB

[Shawster]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bes7qf$m8a$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:zUgQa.7618$Sf1.6844@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> > >
> > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bes5qk$f9v$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:0ggQa.5686$R8.2302@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bes3cb$vv3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:BxfQa.5463$R8.3215@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:bertj4$dek$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > > > > Hi Moonraker,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge
> between
> > > us,
> > > > > > > from your side, then I'll
> > > > > > > > happily work on it from mine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wishing you all the best
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > (long sermon snipped)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess I should have anticipated a sermon :^))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a
thoughtful,
> > > honest
> > > > > answer. Oh, well. I give up.
> > > > >
> > > > Shame.
> > > >
> > > > Just for for the record, I thought you gave a full and frank answer
> > > that's going to be very useful
> > > > to me. It gave a perspective on alcholism that I've never before
had
> the
> > > opportunity to consider.
> > > > For this, I thank you.
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then, why didn't you say that instead of chastising me for
"preaching"?
> > >
> > > What do you mean, "shame"? For figuring that I'm wasting my time
and
> > > effort trying to help you ? That's sure an interesting response.
> > >
> > > (Shakes head slowly and meanders off.....)
> > >
> > Why post this when you were already ahead in the game ? Are you not
smart
> enough to realise when
> > you've won the point ?
> >
> > As I have no desire to get into further arguments with you Moonraker,
I'm
> throwing in the towel rght
> > now.
> >
> > JB
> >
>
> I didn't know there WAS a game going on. I thought we were talking about
a
> life and death issue. Have to hand it to you. Usually I can spot a
troll
> from miles away. Fooled me. ;>(

who are you talking to Moon?
I just see a thread of all you... ;o)


>
>
>
>
>

[Moonraker]

"Shawster" <shawster@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:HihQa.7644$Sf1.438@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:bes7qf$m8a$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:zUgQa.7618$Sf1.6844@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> > > >
> > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bes5qk$f9v$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:0ggQa.5686$R8.2302@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:bes3cb$vv3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > > > "Moonraker" <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:BxfQa.5463$R8.3215@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:bertj4$dek$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > > > > > Hi Moonraker,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are prepared to start rebuilding the broken bridge
> > between
> > > > us,
> > > > > > > > from your side, then I'll
> > > > > > > > > happily work on it from mine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wishing you all the best
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No problem. My bridge was/is still standing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (long sermon snipped)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess I should have anticipated a sermon :^))
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a
> thoughtful,
> > > > honest
> > > > > > answer. Oh, well. I give up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Shame.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just for for the record, I thought you gave a full and frank
answer
> > > > that's going to be very useful
> > > > > to me. It gave a perspective on alcholism that I've never before
> had
> > the
> > > > opportunity to consider.
> > > > > For this, I thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > JB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then, why didn't you say that instead of chastising me for
> "preaching"?
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean, "shame"? For figuring that I'm wasting my time
> and
> > > > effort trying to help you ? That's sure an interesting response.
> > > >
> > > > (Shakes head slowly and meanders off.....)
> > > >
> > > Why post this when you were already ahead in the game ? Are you not
> smart
> > enough to realise when
> > > you've won the point ?
> > >
> > > As I have no desire to get into further arguments with you Moonraker,
> I'm
> > throwing in the towel rght
> > > now.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> >
> > I didn't know there WAS a game going on. I thought we were talking
about
> a
> > life and death issue. Have to hand it to you. Usually I can spot a
> troll
> > from miles away. Fooled me. ;>(
>
> who are you talking to Moon?
> I just see a thread of all you... ;o)
>
I'm having a conversation with the voices in JB's head, apparently. ;>)

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <V7gQa.5656$R8.2795@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
<moonrak9@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:hQfQa.103749$fe.2260603@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> > The BB says something to the effect that "alcoholics seldom respond to
>> > frothy appeals". The point is, plain speaking and strong language is
>what
>> > it takes for most drunks to take an honest look at themselves.
>>
>>
>> that use to be my modus operandi in early sobriety.............no longer!
>> imo, this ROUGH CRAP is not needed!
>> (i got enough of that when i was using!)
>>
>> rosie
>>
>>
>I suppose we need to re-write the Big Book to accomodate "your" approach to
>things, eh?

Why rewrite it? Some of us don't need it any more than we need the
bible.

> Still looking for that easier, softer way?
>
>
>
>
>

--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <0ggQa.5686$R8.2302@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
<moonrak9@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a thoughtful,
>honest answer. Oh, well. I give up.

We live in hope.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bes7qf$m8a$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, catsruleok
<catsruleok@bigfoot.com> writes
>Why post this when you were already ahead in the game ? Are you not
>smart enough to realise when you've won the point ?

Cos it hasn't made him feel smug enough yet.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bes9v5$q3t$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, catsruleok
<catsruleok@bigfoot.com> writes
>It's now very clear to me that no matter how I respond to any of your
>posts, you will always twist them to suit whatever thoughts you have in
>your head at the time.

It took me about as long as it has taken you to realise this. He seems
to require constant validation of his choices. For another way to work
would undermine this fragile self belief - and he couldn't handle that.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Moonraker]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:uJw0hJDqrdE$EwQR@aol.com...
> In message <bes9v5$q3t$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, catsruleok
> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> writes
> >It's now very clear to me that no matter how I respond to any of your
> >posts, you will always twist them to suit whatever thoughts you have in
> >your head at the time.
>
> It took me about as long as it has taken you to realise this. He seems
> to require constant validation of his choices. For another way to work
> would undermine this fragile self belief - and he couldn't handle that.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Wow! That's a psychobabble mouthful. Too bad you don't have a fucking clue
what it all means.

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:uJw0hJDqrdE$EwQR@aol.com...
> > In message <bes9v5$q3t$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, catsruleok
> > <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> writes
> > >It's now very clear to me that no matter how I respond to any of your
> > >posts, you will always twist them to suit whatever thoughts you have in
> > >your head at the time.
> >
> > It took me about as long as it has taken you to realise this. He seems
> > to require constant validation of his choices. For another way to work
> > would undermine this fragile self belief - and he couldn't handle that.
> > --
> > Jonathan Bratt
>
> Wow! That's a psychobabble mouthful. Too bad you don't have a fucking clue
> what it all means.
>
Game between Mr Bratt and Mr Moonraker. Mr Bratt serves. First serve in. Mr Moonraker fails to
return serve. 15 love :^)).

JB (umpire)

[rosie readandpost]

> I suppose we need to re-write the Big Book to accomodate "your" approach to
> things, eh? Still looking for that easier, softer way?
>

after living several years with physical and emotional abuse, the LAST thing i needed was for some "self important"
dummy from AA belittling and bossing me around.
it just isn't right for everyone, moon.
i am glad that you found what works for you.

[rosie readandpost]

> Game between Mr Bratt and Mr Moonraker. Mr Bratt serves. First serve in. Mr Moonraker fails to
> return serve. 15 love :^)).
>
> JB (umpire)
>
>


ROTFLMAO!

[rosie readandpost]

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

say the best...... think the rest.
.........................c. seibold




"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message news:85TwdJClpdE$EwQd@aol.com...
> In message <0ggQa.5686$R8.2302@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
> <moonrak9@bellsouth.net> writes
> >
> >I guess I should have anticipated that you'd discount a thoughtful,
> >honest answer. Oh, well. I give up.
>
> We live in hope.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

ROTFLMAO!

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <GZkQa.8459$Sf1.8418@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:uJw0hJDqrdE$EwQR@aol.com...
>> In message <bes9v5$q3t$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, catsruleok
>> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> writes
>> >It's now very clear to me that no matter how I respond to any of your
>> >posts, you will always twist them to suit whatever thoughts you have in
>> >your head at the time.
>>
>> It took me about as long as it has taken you to realise this. He seems
>> to require constant validation of his choices. For another way to work
>> would undermine this fragile self belief - and he couldn't handle that.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>Wow! That's a psychobabble mouthful. Too bad you don't have a fucking clue
>what it all means.
>
>
>
Au contraire - one just have to look at you to see exactly what it
means. You are clearly bitter and insecure and need constantly to put
other people down to maintain your own self-worth.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Plug]

"Shawster" <shawster@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> who are you talking to Moon?
> I just see a thread of all you... ;o)
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Hi Shaw,
Ha ha ha. This made me laugh. An awful lot of squabbling going on in here.
So long as we are all sober, who cares?
Deb/Bubba

[Dan McGown]

> Ha ha ha. This made me laugh. An awful lot of squabbling going on in
here.
> So long as we are all sober, who cares?
> Deb/Bubba

It sometimes reminds me of that scene with the "matrons" and the chickens in
the beginning of "The Music Man":

"Peck a little, talk a little, peck a little, cheep cheep cheep, peck a lot,
talk a little more . . . ."

[rosie readandpost]

> "Peck a little, talk a little, peck a little, cheep cheep cheep, peck a lot,
> talk a little more . . . ."
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good night ladies...........good night gentlemen.....................

(sorry, couldn't help it!)
:)