Thinking Aloud

[catsruleok]

When I was a child I went to a Sunday School run by a lady who repeatedly told me that during my
lifetime, Jesus would come again and when he did, those whom God judged not to have led a good life
would burn in hell for eternity. I was so scared by this prospect that for many years I went
regularly to Sunday School and, later. church to find out what I needed to do in order to be saved
from the fires. I gave up going to church when I realised that many of those who attended services
weren't shining examples of how the Christian life should be led.

Sadly, from reading messages posted here, I have come to realise that some of those who claim to f
allow AA's 12 Steps, fall far short in their personal dealings with others(including myself) of
meeting everyone of these 12 steps.

To those whom the cap fits, I hope you will at some point:

8. Made a list of all persons (you have) harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or
others.

10. (Continue) to take personal inventory and when (you) are wrong promptly (admit) it.

JB

[Moonraker]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:berkr2$lqi$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Sadly, from reading messages posted here, I have come to realise that some
of those who claim to f
> allow AA's 12 Steps, fall far short in their personal dealings with
others(including myself) of
> meeting everyone of these 12 steps.
>
> To those whom the cap fits, I hope you will at some point:
>
> 8. Made a list of all persons (you have) harmed and became willing to make
amends to them all.
>
> 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do
so would injure them or
> others.
>
> 10. (Continue) to take personal inventory and when (you) are wrong
promptly (admit) it.
>
> JB
>
Hey! Wonderful try at a "group" guilt trip. You gotta work on your
technique, tho. We're pros at guilt-tripping.

It must be so wonderful to be able to sit and say that you quit church
because somebody didn't behave the way "you" thought they should. It's good
also that you can dismiss the program of AA because you don't like how
somebody "talked" to you. Convienent.

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"

"We claim spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection."

So, I take it that you'll just remain a drunk until "everybody" else behaves
to your liking, or that life becomes fair?

[Shawster]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:berkr2$lqi$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Sadly, from reading messages posted here, I have come to realise that
some
> of those who claim to f
> > allow AA's 12 Steps, fall far short in their personal dealings with
> others(including myself) of
> > meeting everyone of these 12 steps.
> >
> > To those whom the cap fits, I hope you will at some point:
> >
> > 8. Made a list of all persons (you have) harmed and became willing to
make
> amends to them all.
> >
> > 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to
do
> so would injure them or
> > others.
> >
> > 10. (Continue) to take personal inventory and when (you) are wrong
> promptly (admit) it.
> >
> > JB
> >
> Hey! Wonderful try at a "group" guilt trip. You gotta work on your
> technique, tho. We're pros at guilt-tripping.
>
> It must be so wonderful to be able to sit and say that you quit church
> because somebody didn't behave the way "you" thought they should. It's
good
> also that you can dismiss the program of AA because you don't like how
> somebody "talked" to you. Convienent.
>
> "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"
>
> "We claim spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection."
>
> So, I take it that you'll just remain a drunk until "everybody" else
behaves
> to your liking, or that life becomes fair?

Thank God for his mercies. If life were fair, I'd have a thousand DUI's and
be in jail forever.

>
>
>
>

[Shawster]

either sailing, or sick to his stomach watching the joy luck club, glad-hand
each other to drink.


"Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nice try Shawster......If life were fair, you would only have 500......I'd
> have the other 500 ;^)
>
> - Cartman
>
> P.S. Where the hell is McGregor.....Anyone?
>
> "Shawster" <shawster@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dqjQa.13322$k85.755524@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> >
> > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:z8hQa.7626$Sf1.2504@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> > >
> > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:berkr2$lqi$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > Sadly, from reading messages posted here, I have come to realise
that
> > some
> > > of those who claim to f
> > > > allow AA's 12 Steps, fall far short in their personal dealings with
> > > others(including myself) of
> > > > meeting everyone of these 12 steps.
> > > >
> > > > To those whom the cap fits, I hope you will at some point:
> > > >
> > > > 8. Made a list of all persons (you have) harmed and became willing
to
> > make
> > > amends to them all.
> > > >
> > > > 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when
to
> > do
> > > so would injure them or
> > > > others.
> > > >
> > > > 10. (Continue) to take personal inventory and when (you) are wrong
> > > promptly (admit) it.
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > Hey! Wonderful try at a "group" guilt trip. You gotta work on your
> > > technique, tho. We're pros at guilt-tripping.
> > >
> > > It must be so wonderful to be able to sit and say that you quit church
> > > because somebody didn't behave the way "you" thought they should.
It's
> > good
> > > also that you can dismiss the program of AA because you don't like how
> > > somebody "talked" to you. Convienent.
> > >
> > > "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"
> > >
> > > "We claim spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection."
> > >
> > > So, I take it that you'll just remain a drunk until "everybody" else
> > behaves
> > > to your liking, or that life becomes fair?
> >
> > Thank God for his mercies. If life were fair, I'd have a thousand DUI's
> and
> > be in jail forever.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Blue Moon]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:27:23 +0100, "catsruleok"
<catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>When I was a child I went to a Sunday School run by a lady who repeatedly told me that during my
>lifetime, Jesus would come again and when he did, those whom God judged not to have led a good life
>would burn in hell for eternity.

Curious how she predicted the second coming ... people have been
struggling with that one for almost 2000 years!

Some of the churches' saints were somewhat less than "good" people.
St Paul springs to mind, I'm sure there's others. Many, many good
people have never been declared saints.

>I gave up going to church when I realised that many of those who attended services
>weren't shining examples of how the Christian life should be led.

Precisely!

>Sadly, from reading messages posted here, I have come to realise that some of those who claim to f
>allow AA's 12 Steps, fall far short in their personal dealings with others(including myself) of
>meeting everyone of these 12 steps.
>
>To those whom the cap fits, I hope you will at some point:
>
>8. Made a list of all persons (you have) harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
>
>9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or
>others.
>
>10. (Continue) to take personal inventory and when (you) are wrong promptly (admit) it.

Unfortunately you can't work anyone else's program for them. You can
only work your own. Nobody works the program until the pain of not
working it becomes too great. But perhaps in prescribing a course of
action to others you can begin to see the course that's right for you.

There's also an important AA message for the many perfectionists ...
"No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect
adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is that
we are willing to GROW along spiritual lines. We claim spiritual
progress, not spiritual perfection".

That was a strong message for me, because the pain of being imperfect
can sometimes seem greater than the pain of drinking.

--
Blue Moon

[catsruleok]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cd5dac52079865093862261993043f20@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:27:23 +0100, "catsruleok"
> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
<snip - ref to three of AA's twelve steps > >

> Unfortunately you can't work anyone else's program for them. You can
> only work your own. Nobody works the program until the pain of not
> working it becomes too great. But perhaps in prescribing a course of
> action to others you can begin to see the course that's right for you.

>Blue Moon

Hi again Blue,

I'm beginning to. You'll be pleased to know that as a result of exchanging and following
posts on this NG for several weeks, I now recognise and appreciate the great value of AA's
Twelve Steps. I have recently started trying to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not
trying
to follow them without help.

JB

[rosie readandpost]

I have recently started trying to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not
> trying
> to follow them without help.
>
> JB
>


that is great news JB!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, live like it's heaven on
earth."
...................................william purkey




"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:bf8ev6$i6u$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cd5dac52079865093862261993043f20@free.teranew s.com...
> > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:27:23 +0100, "catsruleok"
> > <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> <snip - ref to three of AA's twelve steps > >
>
> > Unfortunately you can't work anyone else's program for them. You can
> > only work your own. Nobody works the program until the pain of not
> > working it becomes too great. But perhaps in prescribing a course of
> > action to others you can begin to see the course that's right for you.
>
> >Blue Moon
>
> Hi again Blue,
>
> I'm beginning to. You'll be pleased to know that as a result of exchanging and following
> posts on this NG for several weeks, I now recognise and appreciate the great value of AA's
> Twelve Steps. I have recently started trying to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not
> trying
> to follow them without help.
>
> JB
>
>
>

[Gail]

catsruleok wrote:
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cd5dac52079865093862261993043f20@free.teranew s.com...
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:27:23 +0100, "catsruleok"
>> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
> <snip - ref to three of AA's twelve steps > >
>
>> Unfortunately you can't work anyone else's program for them. You can
>> only work your own. Nobody works the program until the pain of not
>> working it becomes too great. But perhaps in prescribing a course of
>> action to others you can begin to see the course that's right for
>> you.
>
>> Blue Moon
>
> Hi again Blue,
>
> I'm beginning to. You'll be pleased to know that as a result of
> exchanging and following
> posts on this NG for several weeks, I now recognise and appreciate
> the great value of AA's Twelve Steps. I have recently started trying
> to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not trying
> to follow them without help.
>
> JB

Hi JB. Can I ask what steps you are working on? It was suggested to me to
start at step one. "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol and our lives
had become unmanageable". I could not work on any of the other steps until I
fully acknowledged and accepted that my life was unmanageable. That did not
happen for me in a couple days or even years. Then, it was step two, "Came
to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity".
That step wasn't as easy as it sounded, for me. I believed in another power,
but I kept thinking I knew what was best for me, not that greater power.
After years of doing it my way, I finally realized I didn't know what was
best for me or even how to recover. Then came step three, "Made a decision
to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understand
him". That was really hard for me since I blamed him for all the bad things
in my life. I just knew I was being punished all those years. But, thanks to
the program of AA and the absolute hell I was living in, I became willing to
turn all those things over to a power of my understanding and do my best to
not take it back. It was then that I started seeing a change in my life and
attitude. This did not happen for me overnight or even over a couple of
years. For some, it might happen faster.
If you are still wanting and thinking about drinking, I would suggest that
you work on step one. Do you have a Big Book? Have you been to AA.
No where does it say that I had to work those steps in a couple days, weeks,
months or years. Just to work them. Those first three steps are critical
before even being able to continue the other nine steps.
I do wish the best for you.
I just couldn't continue to do it *MY* way and ever get and stay sober.
Best,
Gail

[Moonraker]

"Gail" <leonard_gail@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vhg30aeefje125@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Hi JB. Can I ask what steps you are working on? It was suggested to me to
> start at step one. "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol and our
lives
> had become unmanageable". I could not work on any of the other steps until
I
> fully acknowledged and accepted that my life was unmanageable. That did
not
> happen for me in a couple days or even years. Then, it was step two, "Came
> to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to
sanity".
> That step wasn't as easy as it sounded, for me. I believed in another
power,
> but I kept thinking I knew what was best for me, not that greater power.
> After years of doing it my way, I finally realized I didn't know what was
> best for me or even how to recover. Then came step three, "Made a decision
> to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understand
> him". That was really hard for me since I blamed him for all the bad
things
> in my life. I just knew I was being punished all those years. But, thanks
to
> the program of AA and the absolute hell I was living in, I became willing
to
> turn all those things over to a power of my understanding and do my best
to
> not take it back. It was then that I started seeing a change in my life
and
> attitude. This did not happen for me overnight or even over a couple of
> years. For some, it might happen faster.
> If you are still wanting and thinking about drinking, I would suggest that
> you work on step one. Do you have a Big Book? Have you been to AA.
> No where does it say that I had to work those steps in a couple days,
weeks,
> months or years. Just to work them. Those first three steps are critical
> before even being able to continue the other nine steps.
> I do wish the best for you.
> I just couldn't continue to do it *MY* way and ever get and stay sober.
> Best,
> Gail
>
>
Damn, I'm really surprised, Gail. You mean you weren't instantaneously cur
ed? You actually had to DO something toward working for your recovery?

You mean you can't just sit and wish and it will all come true like a fairy
tale?

;>)

[Gail]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:oeURa.26$g9.19@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> "Gail" <leonard_gail@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:vhg30aeefje125@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > Hi JB. Can I ask what steps you are working on? It was suggested to me
to
> > start at step one. "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol and our
> lives
> > had become unmanageable". I could not work on any of the other steps
until
> I
> > fully acknowledged and accepted that my life was unmanageable. That did
> not
> > happen for me in a couple days or even years. Then, it was step two,
"Came
> > to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to
> sanity".
> > That step wasn't as easy as it sounded, for me. I believed in another
> power,
> > but I kept thinking I knew what was best for me, not that greater power.
> > After years of doing it my way, I finally realized I didn't know what
was
> > best for me or even how to recover. Then came step three, "Made a
decision
> > to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understand
> > him". That was really hard for me since I blamed him for all the bad
> things
> > in my life. I just knew I was being punished all those years. But,
thanks
> to
> > the program of AA and the absolute hell I was living in, I became
willing
> to
> > turn all those things over to a power of my understanding and do my best
> to
> > not take it back. It was then that I started seeing a change in my life
> and
> > attitude. This did not happen for me overnight or even over a couple of
> > years. For some, it might happen faster.
> > If you are still wanting and thinking about drinking, I would suggest
that
> > you work on step one. Do you have a Big Book? Have you been to AA.
> > No where does it say that I had to work those steps in a couple days,
> weeks,
> > months or years. Just to work them. Those first three steps are
critical
> > before even being able to continue the other nine steps.
> > I do wish the best for you.
> > I just couldn't continue to do it *MY* way and ever get and stay sober.
> > Best,
> > Gail
> >
> >
> Damn, I'm really surprised, Gail. You mean you weren't instantaneously
cur
> ed? You actually had to DO something toward working for your recovery?
>
> You mean you can't just sit and wish and it will all come true like a
fairy
> tale?
>
> ;>)
>
>
>

LOL..Yep! I tried that way for a long long time. I still have to work on
those first three steps every day. I realized a couple weeks ago that I was
powerless over alcohol and my life had become unmanageable when my son got
drunk. God, it was like seeing me in the past and what I could become again.
Alcoholism doesn't just affect the person who is drinking. His drunk hurt me
and helped me. I only pray that one day he does that first step and does
what it takes to work the other eleven. :)
Best,
Gail

[Moonraker]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:bf9gba$q2e$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >> I now recognise and appreciate
> > > the great value of AA's Twelve Steps. I have recently started trying
> > > to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not trying
> > > to follow them without help.
> > >
> > > JB
> >
>
> Of course and I'll answer. Steps 1, 2, 8 ,9 and 10.
>
> If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it
explained to me why I shouldn't be
> doing what I'm
> doing :^).
>
> JB
>

Yeah...you are right. It is "unconventional" to say the least. Who is it
that is "helping" you follow the steps? I'm guessing it is not somebody
who has worked the steps in an AA program? They were written in an order
for a reason...

How many times have these people you have harmed heard your apologies
previously? Many people who have dried out a bit and wanted to salve their
guilty feelings leaped ahead to steps 8,9, and 10. Many of them reported
later that the person to whom they were trying to make amends didn't seem
like they cared much. Get 6 months or a year under your belt of not
drinking...then see what the apologies bring. People believe what they see
you doing and they will see the change in you..

I think you have either "done" a step or you haven't. "Deciding it's time
to do a step" or "working on a step" is merely mental masturbation.
"Doing" step 3 will make that glass of wine stop calling your name....;>)

[catsruleok]

"Gail" <leonard_gail@charter.net> wrote in message news:vhg30aeefje125@corp.supernews.com...
> catsruleok wrote:
> > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:cd5dac52079865093862261993043f20@free.teranew s.com...
> >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:27:23 +0100, "catsruleok"
> >> <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>
> > <snip - ref to three of AA's twelve steps and other stuff > >
> >
>> I now recognise and appreciate
> > the great value of AA's Twelve Steps. I have recently started trying
> > to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not trying
> > to follow them without help.
> >
> > JB
>
> Hi JB. Can I ask what steps you are working on?

Of course and I'll answer. Steps 1, 2, 8 ,9 and 10.

If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it explained to me why I shouldn't be
doing what I'm
doing :^).

JB

[Gail]

Moonraker wrote:
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bf9gba$q2e$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>> I now recognise and appreciate
>>>> the great value of AA's Twelve Steps. I have recently started
>>>> trying to follow them. You can rest assured that I am not trying
>>>> to follow them without help.
>>>>
>>>> JB
>>>
>>
>> Of course and I'll answer. Steps 1, 2, 8 ,9 and 10.
>>
>> If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it
> explained to me why I shouldn't be
>> doing what I'm
>> doing :^).
>>
>> JB
>>
>
> Yeah...you are right. It is "unconventional" to say the least. Who
> is it that is "helping" you follow the steps? I'm guessing it is
> not somebody who has worked the steps in an AA program? They were
> written in an order for a reason...
>
> How many times have these people you have harmed heard your apologies
> previously? Many people who have dried out a bit and wanted to
> salve their guilty feelings leaped ahead to steps 8,9, and 10. Many
> of them reported later that the person to whom they were trying to
> make amends didn't seem like they cared much. Get 6 months or a
> year under your belt of not drinking...then see what the apologies
> bring. People believe what they see you doing and they will see the
> change in you..
>
> I think you have either "done" a step or you haven't. "Deciding it's
> time to do a step" or "working on a step" is merely mental
> masturbation. "Doing" step 3 will make that glass of wine stop
> calling your name....;>)

Moon, you are right on it. I had to hear and LISTEN to a lot of things about
myself that I didn't like or even want to hear. I got angry at anyone who
talked to me the way you are talking to JB. Thing is, now I am grateful for
people like you calling me on my shit. I am willing to listen and do what it
takes to stay sober and if that means me thinking that someone is
deliberately out to get me, then I still have a long way to go. It took me a
long time to realize that people were telling me how to and calling me on my
shit because they cared and not because they were out to get me or start an
arguement.
Thanks for the suggestions. ;)
Gail

[rosie readandpost]

> If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it explained to me why I shouldn't be
> doing what I'm
> doing :^).
>
> JB
>
>

how about getting yourself a sponsor and work those steps with her?

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it
explained to me why I shouldn't be
> > doing what I'm
> > doing :^).
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
>
> how about getting yourself a sponsor and work those steps with her?

Rosie...please pay attention? JB has already told us a few days ago that
she wasn't going to go to AA, so how's she going to get a sponsor? Sit in
the parking lot and shanghai one?




>
>
>

[Gail]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gail" <leonard_gail@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:vhgkksa3nn81de@corp.supernews.com...
> . I got angry at anyone who
> > talked to me the way you are talking to JB. Thing is, now I am grateful
> for
> > people like you calling me on my shit. I am willing to listen and do
what
> it
> > takes to stay sober and if that means me thinking that someone is
> > deliberately out to get me, then I still have a long way to go. It took
me
> a
> > long time to realize that people were telling me how to and calling me
on
> my
> > shit because they cared and not because they were out to get me or start
> an
> > arguement.
> > Gail
> >
> >
>
> It's really funny how sensitive we drunks can be when somebody calls us on
> our shit...especially after we tore through the lives of others like a
> tornado. "Ain't it grand the wind's stopped blowing?" as we stand in
the
> midst of the wreckage of our past. Yessir, forget about learning how to
> "stay" sober. Doing the steps in order is similar to starting school in
the
> first grade and getting that down pat and going on to the second grade and
> so on. Don't remember hearing of many second graders who were doing
college
> physics at the same time they were learning to spell.
>
> I was hurting so bad when I got to AA that somebody calling me on my shit
> felt like I was getting praise. I had no way to go but up, emotionally
and
> psychologically.
>
> There's an old boy I know who tells this on his sponsor: "There's two
> kinds of people who don't make it in AA. Those that are too smart, and
> those that are too rich. I reckon you've got a fighting chance, bastard."
>
>
> DA
>
>
>

:)

[rosie readandpost]

moon,
in the time you waste doing the GOOGLE thing you could be sharing more of your experience, strength, and hope, with us.
no telling who might benefit from that!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, live like it's heaven on
earth."
...................................william purkey




"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:wWhSa.7382$ci.750@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3qYRa.12993$7O4.259973@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > > If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it
> > explained to me why I shouldn't be
> > > > doing what I'm
> > > > doing :^).
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > how about getting yourself a sponsor and work those steps with her?
> >
> > Rosie...please pay attention? JB has already told us a few days ago that
> > she wasn't going to go to AA, so how's she going to get a sponsor? Sit
> in
> > the parking lot and shanghai one?
> >
> >
>
> """I have two confessions to make. Firstly, I don't follow the 12 steps and
> secondly, I don't go to AA
> meetings."""
>
> Sound Familiar?
>
>
>

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yjjSa.15202$7O4.331267@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> moon,
> in the time you waste doing the GOOGLE thing you could be sharing more of
your experience, strength, and hope, with us.
> no telling who might benefit from that!
>
Actually, I'm blessed with a pretty good memory, so it took me about 45
seconds to find that quote.

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:wWhSa.7382$ci.750@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3qYRa.12993$7O4.259973@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > > If what I'm doing is unconventional, I'll be expecting to have it
> > explained to me why I shouldn't be
> > > > doing what I'm
> > > > doing :^).
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > how about getting yourself a sponsor and work those steps with her?
> >
> > Rosie...please pay attention? JB has already told us a few days ago that
> > she wasn't going to go to AA, so how's she going to get a sponsor? Sit
> in
> > the parking lot and shanghai one?
> >
> >
>
> """I have two confessions to make. Firstly, I don't follow the 12 steps and
> secondly, I don't go to AA
> meetings."""
>
> Sound Familiar?
>
Oh yes. I posted that on the 12th July, exactly one week ago. Gosh, a lot's happened since then.
What evidence have you that my situation now is the same as it was then ?

JB

[Moonraker]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> I'm pleased for you.
>
> BTW, I was very sorry to hear about the deaths of our former
mother-in-law, current father-in-law
> and old friend from AA. If you would be willing to accept my sincere
condolences, I would be
> pleased to offer them to you.
>
> JB
>
>
Thank you. This hasn't been a week I want to repeat any time soon.

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bfcgsp$ab5$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:AojSa.7475$ci.882@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bfcgeh$tp6$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > "Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:mhjSa.7464$ci.3427@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bfcf07$8uc$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh yes. I posted that on the 12th July, exactly one week ago.
> Gosh,
> > > a
> > > > > lot's happened since then.
> > > > > > What evidence have you that my situation now is the same as it was
> > > then ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JB
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, just a wild guess.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aren't you the one who posted the sarcastic "A personal message to
> those
> > > > > whom I irritate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Doesn't look to me like much has changed.
> > > > >
> > > > Then change your glasses :^))
> > > >
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > What evidence have you that my vision isn't perfect?
> > >
> > You never seem able to properly read what I write :^)
> >
> > JB.
> >
> Funny that. I seem to comprehend what is written by others on this board
> with no problem. I can comprehend what the BB of AA says.
>
I'm pleased for you.

BTW, I was very sorry to hear about the deaths of our former mother-in-law, current father-in-law
and old friend from AA. If you would be willing to accept my sincere condolences, I would be
pleased to offer them to you.

JB

[catsruleok]

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bfcj70$c26$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I'm pleased for you.
> >
> > BTW, I was very sorry to hear about the deaths of our former
> mother-in-law, current father-in-law
> > and old friend from AA. If you would be willing to accept my sincere
> condolences, I would be
> > pleased to offer them to you.
> >
> > JB
> >
> >
> Thank you. This hasn't been a week I want to repeat any time soon.
>
Moonraker, I hope you *never* have another week like the one you've just had.

Now, as it's 1.00 am here in the UK, I'm closing down for the night. Hope to see you tomorrow.

With very best wishes

JB

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <AojSa.7475$ci.882@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
>>
>> JB
>>
>>
>What evidence have you that my vision isn't perfect?

Ignorance and stupidity?
--
Jonathan Bratt